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deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
June 22 2013 10:37 GMT
#281
On June 22 2013 14:56 Kurumi wrote:
For a moment I thought I was still drunk after yesterday but this thread actually makes no sense.
No trolling for me I guess.

We're running the classic lynch, so the most votes person dies?


Normal voting rules yeah
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 22 2013 10:42 GMT
#282
votecount

Votes:


BC (1) - Sk8rguy
WoS (1) - geript, Xatalos
Dandel Ion (1) - Kurumi
Kurumi (1) - geript

Tell me if I missed anyone. Only votes in the voting thread count!
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 22 2013 11:34 GMT
#283
Sk8rboi having his vote on bc is pretty weird ATM. If he's really read up on tlmafia like he says then he must have some idea what he's doing.

I think he's trying to behave like "I not scared noob I vote big shot vet hurr hurr" and get people to have town reads on him. I don't like that. Fos on sk8rboi.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 22 2013 12:13 GMT
#284
On June 22 2013 12:05 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 11:29 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:18 Acrofales wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:06 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:04 Acrofales wrote:
I'm home! Haven't read anything yet, but after umpteen scumgames and a fairly longish break, I finally rolled town!

Also, in case this plan hasn't been proposed yet, I think everybody should say what character they made the role for. That way, if someone claims, someone else can back that shit up, or act as a lie detector.


Or the scum can pick off the players that created their roles and they are free to use it as they wish or modify it with a fake claim. That's silly.

So what? That limits them in who they can kill. Restricting scum is a good thing. You scum yourself?


lol it doesn't limit who the scum can kill. Scum can kill whoever they want, but with your plan, they're not shooting blind. I don't even understand how your plan makes sense. Why can't we server as lie detectors after the claim, without all sharing who we made the role for?

They're still shooting blind. They don't know what role they're shooting nor what the role actually is other than the name (and they still don't know who that is).

But I do get your point that if claims happen we can verify. Just run the risk of this only happening after people are dead and the mafia covering for each other (if someone claims and nobody pipes up that they made the role, a mafia member can "come into the thread late" and claim making the role)


Hmm. This plan has far more negatives than positives IMO. Mafia are basically in the dark only about one thing: blue powers. If they know who created which role, it becomes easier to snipe players if the need appears to fakeclaim (just snipe the player who created a specific role). On the other hand, it becomes impossible for them to act until a certain player has been eliminated. This might be useful in the early game, but come late game, every has-to-be-eliminated player should already be eliminated. This just makes it easier for them to plan their shots. In addition, isn't it more advantegeous to keep Mafia completely in the dark? "Fear of the unknown is the greatest fear." That should apply to Mafia as well.

Btw, is that Lovetap thing just a joke or an actual power?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
June 22 2013 12:23 GMT
#285
Okay, this was supposed to be posted last night, but my power went out, so it is now about 8 hours late to the party. Luckily I now also have a bit more to say:

On June 22 2013 14:21 Zephirdd wrote:
wtf is happening

ill try to make some sense of this tomorrow

guys just because we have weird roles doesnt mean we need to play like idiots



on another note, caipirinha is really good. You all should try it if you havent.

Makes a post to scold the thread for derping around... and simultaneously tells us he's drunk. A valuable contribution indeed.

Zephir, are you perhaps scum?




In general, I am pretty suspicious of those who have come into the thread and lamented the pitiful state it is in (Kurumi), yet have shown absolutely NO inclination to improve it in any way, shape or form. On the other hand, Xatalos' introduction into the thread seems like it is far overshooting the mark in the other direction. Maybe it's just his way of writing, which I remember from like a year ago in our newbie game got everybody suspicious of him as well, but he seems really concerned with making a good impression. Nevertheless, I had a similar feeling about WoS, so there's that.

Also, apparently my vote on Kita should have been in the vote thread, but I guess it's too late for that now. Voting SnB instead, because he's apparently in this game.

Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
June 22 2013 12:24 GMT
#286
Errr...

##vote Strongandbig

of course.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 22 2013 12:24 GMT
#287
On June 22 2013 20:34 strongandbig wrote:
Sk8rboi having his vote on bc is pretty weird ATM. If he's really read up on tlmafia like he says then he must have some idea what he's doing.

I think he's trying to behave like "I not scared noob I vote big shot vet hurr hurr" and get people to have town reads on him. I don't like that. Fos on sk8rboi.


Hmmmmm. That's pretty much a joke/throwaway vote from what I can see. Why is it alignment indicative? Other players have done similar stuff innumerable times before regardless of their alignment, especially during early D1.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 22 2013 12:30 GMT
#288
On June 22 2013 21:23 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, this was supposed to be posted last night, but my power went out, so it is now about 8 hours late to the party. Luckily I now also have a bit more to say:

Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 14:21 Zephirdd wrote:
wtf is happening

ill try to make some sense of this tomorrow

guys just because we have weird roles doesnt mean we need to play like idiots



on another note, caipirinha is really good. You all should try it if you havent.

Makes a post to scold the thread for derping around... and simultaneously tells us he's drunk. A valuable contribution indeed.

Zephir, are you perhaps scum?




In general, I am pretty suspicious of those who have come into the thread and lamented the pitiful state it is in (Kurumi), yet have shown absolutely NO inclination to improve it in any way, shape or form. On the other hand, Xatalos' introduction into the thread seems like it is far overshooting the mark in the other direction. Maybe it's just his way of writing, which I remember from like a year ago in our newbie game got everybody suspicious of him as well, but he seems really concerned with making a good impression. Nevertheless, I had a similar feeling about WoS, so there's that.

Also, apparently my vote on Kita should have been in the vote thread, but I guess it's too late for that now. Voting SnB instead, because he's apparently in this game.



Haha.. Too tryhard for your tastes? I have limited time to post until tomorrow, so gotta make it count.. Why strongandbig?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
June 22 2013 12:32 GMT
#289
On June 22 2013 21:13 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 12:05 Acrofales wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:29 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:18 Acrofales wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:06 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:04 Acrofales wrote:
I'm home! Haven't read anything yet, but after umpteen scumgames and a fairly longish break, I finally rolled town!

Also, in case this plan hasn't been proposed yet, I think everybody should say what character they made the role for. That way, if someone claims, someone else can back that shit up, or act as a lie detector.


Or the scum can pick off the players that created their roles and they are free to use it as they wish or modify it with a fake claim. That's silly.

So what? That limits them in who they can kill. Restricting scum is a good thing. You scum yourself?


lol it doesn't limit who the scum can kill. Scum can kill whoever they want, but with your plan, they're not shooting blind. I don't even understand how your plan makes sense. Why can't we server as lie detectors after the claim, without all sharing who we made the role for?

They're still shooting blind. They don't know what role they're shooting nor what the role actually is other than the name (and they still don't know who that is).

But I do get your point that if claims happen we can verify. Just run the risk of this only happening after people are dead and the mafia covering for each other (if someone claims and nobody pipes up that they made the role, a mafia member can "come into the thread late" and claim making the role)


Hmm. This plan has far more negatives than positives IMO. Mafia are basically in the dark only about one thing: blue powers. If they know who created which role, it becomes easier to snipe players if the need appears to fakeclaim (just snipe the player who created a specific role). On the other hand, it becomes impossible for them to act until a certain player has been eliminated. This might be useful in the early game, but come late game, every has-to-be-eliminated player should already be eliminated. This just makes it easier for them to plan their shots. In addition, isn't it more advantegeous to keep Mafia completely in the dark? "Fear of the unknown is the greatest fear." That should apply to Mafia as well.

Btw, is that Lovetap thing just a joke or an actual power?


This doesn't give them any more info, except about who created their power. So yes, if the need arises to fake claim, they will have to shoot that person first. However, it also does the following:

1. If all of mafia have roles that were created by townies, they cannot fake claim their role name (or stuff won't add up at the end of the game)

2. They cannot fake claim their actual role before whoever created their role is dead.

An alternative is to claim your actual rolename right now. Fear of the unknown isn't mafia's greatest fear. It's fear of getting caught out as mafia. This helps with that.

Also, who knows about the lovetap thing? It could be an actual power, inspired by ##fistbumb from the original PTP, or it could just be sk8r having read the original game and using that to derp around.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
June 22 2013 12:34 GMT
#290
On June 22 2013 21:30 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 21:23 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, this was supposed to be posted last night, but my power went out, so it is now about 8 hours late to the party. Luckily I now also have a bit more to say:

On June 22 2013 14:21 Zephirdd wrote:
wtf is happening

ill try to make some sense of this tomorrow

guys just because we have weird roles doesnt mean we need to play like idiots



on another note, caipirinha is really good. You all should try it if you havent.

Makes a post to scold the thread for derping around... and simultaneously tells us he's drunk. A valuable contribution indeed.

Zephir, are you perhaps scum?




In general, I am pretty suspicious of those who have come into the thread and lamented the pitiful state it is in (Kurumi), yet have shown absolutely NO inclination to improve it in any way, shape or form. On the other hand, Xatalos' introduction into the thread seems like it is far overshooting the mark in the other direction. Maybe it's just his way of writing, which I remember from like a year ago in our newbie game got everybody suspicious of him as well, but he seems really concerned with making a good impression. Nevertheless, I had a similar feeling about WoS, so there's that.

Also, apparently my vote on Kita should have been in the vote thread, but I guess it's too late for that now. Voting SnB instead, because he's apparently in this game.



Haha.. Too tryhard for your tastes? I have limited time to post until tomorrow, so gotta make it count.. Why strongandbig?


Because Drazerk isn't in the game. Without our common enemy, I reckon I'll just kill him and see what happens. Also, he's probably scum.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
June 22 2013 12:37 GMT
#291
Also, screw all of you. I'll go first.

I wrote the role for The Doctor.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 22 2013 13:02 GMT
#292
On June 22 2013 21:32 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 21:13 Xatalos wrote:
On June 22 2013 12:05 Acrofales wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:29 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:18 Acrofales wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:06 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:04 Acrofales wrote:
I'm home! Haven't read anything yet, but after umpteen scumgames and a fairly longish break, I finally rolled town!

Also, in case this plan hasn't been proposed yet, I think everybody should say what character they made the role for. That way, if someone claims, someone else can back that shit up, or act as a lie detector.


Or the scum can pick off the players that created their roles and they are free to use it as they wish or modify it with a fake claim. That's silly.

So what? That limits them in who they can kill. Restricting scum is a good thing. You scum yourself?


lol it doesn't limit who the scum can kill. Scum can kill whoever they want, but with your plan, they're not shooting blind. I don't even understand how your plan makes sense. Why can't we server as lie detectors after the claim, without all sharing who we made the role for?

They're still shooting blind. They don't know what role they're shooting nor what the role actually is other than the name (and they still don't know who that is).

But I do get your point that if claims happen we can verify. Just run the risk of this only happening after people are dead and the mafia covering for each other (if someone claims and nobody pipes up that they made the role, a mafia member can "come into the thread late" and claim making the role)


Hmm. This plan has far more negatives than positives IMO. Mafia are basically in the dark only about one thing: blue powers. If they know who created which role, it becomes easier to snipe players if the need appears to fakeclaim (just snipe the player who created a specific role). On the other hand, it becomes impossible for them to act until a certain player has been eliminated. This might be useful in the early game, but come late game, every has-to-be-eliminated player should already be eliminated. This just makes it easier for them to plan their shots. In addition, isn't it more advantegeous to keep Mafia completely in the dark? "Fear of the unknown is the greatest fear." That should apply to Mafia as well.

Btw, is that Lovetap thing just a joke or an actual power?


This doesn't give them any more info, except about who created their power. So yes, if the need arises to fake claim, they will have to shoot that person first. However, it also does the following:

1. If all of mafia have roles that were created by townies, they cannot fake claim their role name (or stuff won't add up at the end of the game)

2. They cannot fake claim their actual role before whoever created their role is dead.

An alternative is to claim your actual rolename right now. Fear of the unknown isn't mafia's greatest fear. It's fear of getting caught out as mafia. This helps with that.

Also, who knows about the lovetap thing? It could be an actual power, inspired by ##fistbumb from the original PTP, or it could just be sk8r having read the original game and using that to derp around.


Point 2 is actually... Partly a negative point. Maybe even mostly. Yes, they can't fakeclaim until they have shot the role creator, but in your plan, it only takes one shot to get 100% access to fakeclaiming that role. If nobody reveals, it's almost impossible for any Mafia to fakeclaim until end/lategame without incredible luck. And point 1 is really a no-point considering that fakeclaiming the name is incredibly easy once the role creator has been shot.

Gotta check out ##fistbump now..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 22 2013 13:06 GMT
#293
On June 22 2013 21:37 Acrofales wrote:
Also, screw all of you. I'll go first.

I wrote the role for The Doctor.


Consider that I'm Mafia and got the role The Doctor. Now I can just shoot you and fakeclaim whatever I want later on. If you didn't reveal, there's no way to fakeclaim until you have died through some other reason. That's the problem.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 22 2013 13:08 GMT
#294
On June 22 2013 21:34 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 21:30 Xatalos wrote:
On June 22 2013 21:23 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, this was supposed to be posted last night, but my power went out, so it is now about 8 hours late to the party. Luckily I now also have a bit more to say:

On June 22 2013 14:21 Zephirdd wrote:
wtf is happening

ill try to make some sense of this tomorrow

guys just because we have weird roles doesnt mean we need to play like idiots



on another note, caipirinha is really good. You all should try it if you havent.

Makes a post to scold the thread for derping around... and simultaneously tells us he's drunk. A valuable contribution indeed.

Zephir, are you perhaps scum?




In general, I am pretty suspicious of those who have come into the thread and lamented the pitiful state it is in (Kurumi), yet have shown absolutely NO inclination to improve it in any way, shape or form. On the other hand, Xatalos' introduction into the thread seems like it is far overshooting the mark in the other direction. Maybe it's just his way of writing, which I remember from like a year ago in our newbie game got everybody suspicious of him as well, but he seems really concerned with making a good impression. Nevertheless, I had a similar feeling about WoS, so there's that.

Also, apparently my vote on Kita should have been in the vote thread, but I guess it's too late for that now. Voting SnB instead, because he's apparently in this game.



Haha.. Too tryhard for your tastes? I have limited time to post until tomorrow, so gotta make it count.. Why strongandbig?


Because Drazerk isn't in the game. Without our common enemy, I reckon I'll just kill him and see what happens. Also, he's probably scum.


Ha ha.. Rarely do I see stronger reasoning.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 22 2013 13:13 GMT
#295
Can't find the ##fistbump role description What did it do?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
June 22 2013 13:15 GMT
#296
On June 22 2013 22:13 Xatalos wrote:
Can't find the ##fistbump role description What did it do?

Eh, a bunch of stuff. I think Palmar had it (or he made it). He had to collect ##fistbumps every day from people. He could use them to buy powers like extra votes, vig shots, etc.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
June 22 2013 13:17 GMT
#297
On June 22 2013 22:06 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 21:37 Acrofales wrote:
Also, screw all of you. I'll go first.

I wrote the role for The Doctor.


Consider that I'm Mafia and got the role The Doctor. Now I can just shoot you and fakeclaim whatever I want later on. If you didn't reveal, there's no way to fakeclaim until you have died through some other reason. That's the problem.

But... fear of dying is just not in a townie mindset AT ALL. Scum HAS KP and WILL be killing people. I prefer they are killing people so they can fakeclaim than bumping off people who actually contribute to the game.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
June 22 2013 13:22 GMT
#298
On June 22 2013 22:02 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 21:32 Acrofales wrote:
On June 22 2013 21:13 Xatalos wrote:
On June 22 2013 12:05 Acrofales wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:29 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:18 Acrofales wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:06 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:04 Acrofales wrote:
I'm home! Haven't read anything yet, but after umpteen scumgames and a fairly longish break, I finally rolled town!

Also, in case this plan hasn't been proposed yet, I think everybody should say what character they made the role for. That way, if someone claims, someone else can back that shit up, or act as a lie detector.


Or the scum can pick off the players that created their roles and they are free to use it as they wish or modify it with a fake claim. That's silly.

So what? That limits them in who they can kill. Restricting scum is a good thing. You scum yourself?


lol it doesn't limit who the scum can kill. Scum can kill whoever they want, but with your plan, they're not shooting blind. I don't even understand how your plan makes sense. Why can't we server as lie detectors after the claim, without all sharing who we made the role for?

They're still shooting blind. They don't know what role they're shooting nor what the role actually is other than the name (and they still don't know who that is).

But I do get your point that if claims happen we can verify. Just run the risk of this only happening after people are dead and the mafia covering for each other (if someone claims and nobody pipes up that they made the role, a mafia member can "come into the thread late" and claim making the role)


Hmm. This plan has far more negatives than positives IMO. Mafia are basically in the dark only about one thing: blue powers. If they know who created which role, it becomes easier to snipe players if the need appears to fakeclaim (just snipe the player who created a specific role). On the other hand, it becomes impossible for them to act until a certain player has been eliminated. This might be useful in the early game, but come late game, every has-to-be-eliminated player should already be eliminated. This just makes it easier for them to plan their shots. In addition, isn't it more advantegeous to keep Mafia completely in the dark? "Fear of the unknown is the greatest fear." That should apply to Mafia as well.

Btw, is that Lovetap thing just a joke or an actual power?


This doesn't give them any more info, except about who created their power. So yes, if the need arises to fake claim, they will have to shoot that person first. However, it also does the following:

1. If all of mafia have roles that were created by townies, they cannot fake claim their role name (or stuff won't add up at the end of the game)

2. They cannot fake claim their actual role before whoever created their role is dead.

An alternative is to claim your actual rolename right now. Fear of the unknown isn't mafia's greatest fear. It's fear of getting caught out as mafia. This helps with that.

Also, who knows about the lovetap thing? It could be an actual power, inspired by ##fistbumb from the original PTP, or it could just be sk8r having read the original game and using that to derp around.


Point 2 is actually... Partly a negative point. Maybe even mostly. Yes, they can't fakeclaim until they have shot the role creator, but in your plan, it only takes one shot to get 100% access to fakeclaiming that role. If nobody reveals, it's almost impossible for any Mafia to fakeclaim until end/lategame without incredible luck. And point 1 is really a no-point considering that fakeclaiming the name is incredibly easy once the role creator has been shot.

Gotta check out ##fistbump now..


It's not a negative point at all. If you think this game will not, at one point, end up in a mass claim situation you clearly haven't played mass themed games before. What this extra information, before claims go flying gives us:

1. It forces mafia to be honest as long (although simply leaving them out of the know would do that too)
2. If someone dies, we know what role is open to a potential fakeclaim
3. If someone flips mafia, then we know the role he made is open to a potential fakeclaim by his mafia buddy.

Points 2 and 3 are not available to us without the claim.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
June 22 2013 13:33 GMT
#299
Zephirdd, in Poke-pick-their-power-palooza, were you worried/flustered by the thought of claimfests where everyone tried to figure out who made what role/what role had what powers? Or did it not matter to you?


Acro/others, I'm not sure that claiming names really does anything to help sort out later situations where we need to claim roles. If everyone claims, then yes, we know what roles might be open to being fakeclaimed. But if the creator is dead, SOMEONE has the rolename they made a role for, and that person can make up whatever they want and knowing the maker doesn't help anyone. If we don't claim, mafia can't really fakeclaim a power but a real role name, because the role creator MIGHT still be alive.

I keep poking around that, but I don't think we get enough out of just claiming what roles we made that it's worth filling in some of the information that the mafia doesn't have. Also, Other Reasons.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
June 22 2013 13:58 GMT
#300
Actually, beyond just that...Zephir, was there any particular setup/role figuring discussion that you guys were worried about in pick their pokemon?
Fe fi fo fum.
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