EPTPTP IV - Demon's Run - Page 13
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I just thought I'd do that cuz it sounded like fun. When I was trying to come up with ways to get out of the lynch, I thought about claiming dayvig and forcing you to keep votes on kita or I'd shoot you. That was gonna be how I killed, somehow. | ||
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You played a fantastic town game, until you wanted to lynch me and not mean old anti-town kitamanz. Big ups for both the solid posting AND trying to figure out yesterday. I know it was a headache. | ||
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I don't know that you can kill me. | ||
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On July 03 2013 07:25 Crossfire99 wrote: Oh, so just explain this debear stuff cause I'm confused and apparently dead. I get a bearless victory if, at endgame, I have de-beared all living people. I am naturally bearless. I need to de-bear you, or win as last man standing. I'm NOT going to de-bear you, because I might target you on a night you have NRA member up. Therefore, I'm going to shoot you, and be the last man standing. Also, I'm not shooting you tonight, just in case anything went wrong. I picked a number, way way way in the future, and on that night I'm going to shoot you. If it doesn't work, I picked an even bigger number. | ||
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Game could end in mafia victory, game could end in BEARLESS VICTORY for me and mafia victory. So we have to play it out, even if you absolutely can't kill me, because there are two ways for the game to end. If it just ended 1-1, with you not de-beared yet, then I wouldn't get bearless. So I gotta draw it out and shoot you. | ||
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On July 03 2013 07:28 Crossfire99 wrote: Well that's a lame way to end the game. GG. Gotta go for the de-bearing. It's lame, but good lord was I afraid of NRA shennanies. | ||
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 gg if it's over. If it's not...sorry, I'll be back in a couple hours. | ||
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Big big big big thanks to the hosts, there was a lot of crap to keep track of PLUS i know I asked a boatload of questions, but felt like I got answers when I should have and was told I couldn't get answers when it would have sort of ruined the game. Was super pissed at myself for accidentally claiming scum, and I hope it's the last time I do so as mafia, but glad it worked out in the end. Sorry kita that we couldn't get you the victory, really wanted you to win with us if we could, but then that just wasn't an option the last day. Sorry to gonzaw/crossfire/kita for the last day. I felt kind of shitty as I was arguing, thinking the whole time that my re-targeting ability would probably give me a 100% chance to win. But I also felt bad about claiming and ruining MZ/geript's chances at a win for us. I'm kind of glad kita turned out anti-town because it makes me feel a little less shitty. | ||
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On July 03 2013 12:42 Crossfire99 wrote: I targeted you with it and shot gonzaw. I figured you'd medic or vet, and if you were vet he'd die, if you were medic I would have you medic me and he'd die. Since you used vet (i think that's what obs said), I didn't get to retarget anything, it just fizzled.Don't worry about it austin. What did you actually do with your re-targeting ability? I was, again, paranoid that you'd use NRA member. I could have died if you went that route over protection, which is one reason I made sure to say that KP wasn't targeted. If it was just KP, NRA member wouldn't have mattered. But oddly enough, I could have died from the non-KP action I took. | ||
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On July 03 2013 12:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I had a lot of help in getting there, but glad we could win it.austin thank you for logging me my first, yes my first in almost 3 years of play, victory as scum. You can consider my effort payback for this little incident: On April 10 2013 11:26 Keirathi wrote: Anyways: I don't expect to live through the night tonight, and assassin is already dead. I am a cop. I checked austin last night, and he is town. I was also given the Lie Detector invention. I will use it when it's appropriate and let everyone know the results. On April 10 2013 11:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Guys I'm gonna make this real easy for everyone. Please listen to this while reading the following post: ##Nuke: austinmc To everyone who has called me scum: ![[image loading]](http://mikkiaaron.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/murica_6cd297e8f8b040c6ad41c1430077f1ba.jpg) On April 10 2013 11:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: cough coughFUCK | ||
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On July 03 2013 12:54 Crossfire99 wrote: I was debating about that but I did the safer option which was to ensure that I survived to the next day so I could use my 1 way redirection ability which diverted all actions used onto me onto someone else I choose. Too bad you were too cautious after all the craziness gonzaw revealed about my role and delayed your shot 27 days...I'm pretty sure we could have worked out our differences peacefully in that time. For once, paranoia finally pays off. I honestly thought you were bluffing with the big win percentage chance, but now I absolutely see it. I think that if I wasn't still super paranoid about NRA Member (which seriously doesn't do anything against factional KP), I might have gone for it. But as long as we were one on one and couldn't lynch each other, I didn't see a reason not to choose random nights to fire at you. Gonzaw telling me items were one-use was a big help, although...I assume that would have come out at some point during the day, when we started talking percentages. | ||
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Even then, it might have worked. I had planned to force you to target your ability onto crossfire the NRA member, making you kill yourself. That was the only way around it I could think of. Seriously. It didn't actually kill anyone this game, but screw that role. "Oh, you targeted me, you're dead now, and you can also be bussed onto me" is some bullshit once the person looks townie. | ||
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On July 03 2013 13:19 gonzaw wrote: I couldn't force someone to use. I didn't realize that at the time, but I wrote the role as..."retarget a person's night action" or something, with the limits being one person, one action, and never usable on the same person again.You could force someone to use his ability? wtf lol You talking about NRA member or your own role? If you are talking about NRA member then maybe yes it's OP (in this type of game at least). Like I said I threw random abilities in like 10 minutes, I didn't have time to think about balance Since I never even had the ability until D4, I didn't ask about it earlier. But the way it ended up working was that If they didn't act, it fizzled. If they acted but with something untargeted, it fizzled. If they used multiple abilities, I could only retarget the first one. So it fizzled on the night I used, with Crossfire using vet, because there's no target. And if he was actually Voltron, it would have fizzled on you if you didn't actually use your power, but I didn't find that out until after I'd tried to work through things. For the bullshit, yeah, NRA member. It's just an ability that feels...anti-fun? Or it does if you think it's permanent. | ||
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On July 03 2013 09:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I ended up hating the first part of my role. Every time I've made a PTP role, I'm thinking of something fun from a town side of things, not really one that's great for everyone.Austins power was so fucking pro town that he blended in so well with terrible townies -_- I figured someone would get the role, send out messages, give away something pro-town (with the option for roleblocker if mafia got it), and then over the course of 2-3 days amass a bunch of info about who chose what, be able to release it and maybe do something good. In mafia's hands, especially with only 3 of us and getting outed early, it was "Force yourself to give town powers." I send out PMs, have to claim the PMs eventually, and then it becomes horribly obvious that I've been gifting powers to mafia if I ever do. I can't even fake anything, because I'd have to fakeclaim both a fake target of my role-gifting AND lie about someone choosing that person AND have that person on the list anyway, because the second person-chooser would know if they weren't. I could have maybe given us a vig somewhere, but it would have come out later. Stupid role just couldn't be NOT pro town, the best I could do was give vet or hope people mediced the targets I thought they would. Also, as far as roles are concerned, I loved the idea of a choose your own adventure role, almost made one as well, but...I don't think I like how they work in actuality. At least for the other faction, knowing that gonzaw knew crossfire's role, could lead him to all the good choices and none of the mediocre, and could talk in code with crossfire. The choose your adventure role becomes a quasi-mason AND is toughish to balance because instead of having all these choices, crossfire can be told what choices to make each time for the best outcome. | ||
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On July 04 2013 00:56 kitaman27 wrote: So, I didn't have any ability to rig the results. And I couldn't send myself PMs. At most, I could send one person PM to scumbuddy1 and one role PM to scumbuddy2, and have them choose vig for a mafia member.You created your own role didn't you? Couldn't you just include a mafia player in the group, rig the results every night, turn your role into a mafia kp and then never claim how it works? You'd eventually have to come up with a fake claim at endgame, but that endgame would come a cycle sooner and you didn't need to tell the truth about how the role works because only you know how it works. The moment any of us died, I would either have to start gifting roles to townies (putting other scumbuddy on role duty) or gifting scum whatever roles town gave us (putting scumbuddy on person duty, to choose mafia). If I ever flipped, any townies that had old role PMs could look at the list of 4 names, notice that nobody had claimed they got a power during the night, and it's pretty much a listcheck that there is mafia in that group. I think I was overly hesitant, but with only 3 mafia, the most mafia-favored way I could have used my role was going to fall apart if we ever lost anyone, and possibly partially out a buddy. | ||
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