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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 14 2013 21:59 GMT
#1441
i think today's lynch is a crapshoot
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 14 2013 22:02 GMT
#1442
guys?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 14 2013 22:03 GMT
#1443
It makes so much more sense to lynch vivax so we can resolve the Vivax/prpl than blindly lynch into the green check. Not sure why I'm being ignored.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
June 14 2013 22:03 GMT
#1444
On June 15 2013 06:59 prplhz wrote:
i think today's lynch is a crapshoot


I agree, let's start a bandwagon on st-t-t-tutters
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 14 2013 22:04 GMT
#1445
kita you think sent is gf with me?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
June 14 2013 22:05 GMT
#1446
On June 15 2013 07:03 kitaman27 wrote:
It makes so much more sense to lynch vivax so we can resolve the Vivax/prpl than blindly lynch into the green check. Not sure why I'm being ignored.


Kita, since you're eager to lynch me for information, could you tell me how you plan to draw conclusions about prplhz from my flip?
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 14 2013 22:05 GMT
#1447
i'm wondering about that too.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 14 2013 22:06 GMT
#1448
On June 15 2013 00:46 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2013 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:
At the same time, we have this interaction from Ace:

On June 10 2013 05:39 Ace wrote:
Stutters if you're still around I've got a question for you


On June 10 2013 05:57 Ace wrote:
On June 10 2013 05:49 Stutters695 wrote:
Sure, shoot. LXI you were the serial poisoner who was playing so town you got caught because you kept getting defensively RBd.


Aww I'll take that as a compliment. Although I'd like you to point what is so un-Town like about me this game.

So here's my question. Imagine you get cop night 1 this game. Your top scum read comes back with a red check. You are under no pressure of getting lynched. Would you claim? In essence tell me what you would have done differently than I did because this isn't making sense to me.


Do you think that Ace is trying to convince his own scum buddy to do something?


At first glance it looks good for stutters cause ace is being inquisitive with him and I see that as unlikely between sbuddies, but
what matters more is the answer:

Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 07:32 Stutters695 wrote:
On June 10 2013 05:57 Ace wrote:
On June 10 2013 05:49 Stutters695 wrote:
Sure, shoot. LXI you were the serial poisoner who was playing so town you got caught because you kept getting defensively RBd.


Aww I'll take that as a compliment. Although I'd like you to point what is so un-Town like about me this game.

So here's my question. Imagine you get cop night 1 this game. Your top scum read comes back with a red check. You are under no pressure of getting lynched. Would you claim? In essence tell me what you would have done differently than I did because this isn't making sense to me.


I'll give you what I see non-town tomorrow during the day, too busy right now to quote/explain my concerns.

I would have done the same thing if I was town. However if I was scum and rolled cop n1 I would also probably do the same thing and fake the check then talk my way out of the mislynch.

I'll talk more about it later, gotta go though.


That he doesn't deliver town points doesn't really matter, he could also have been lazy and ace was dead anyway.
The answer regarding ace's "what if" however is in contrast to an earlier statement:

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 08:43 Stutters695 wrote:
Well it's one of my main points in favoring an oats lynch.

That and the fact that scum Ace should be wise enough to realize that a 2-1 trade isn't in scums favor when we still haven't mislynched. I really can't read oats though and that worries me.


Stutters gave ace leeway cause he said he wouldn't pull that stunt as scum, but afterwards, when ace was doomed, he said he could also see it coming from scum.


Going to be a couple posts on this so I can quote everything of relevance to vivax.

First is this lovely post. Vivax is painting my stance on the Ace/Oats situation as I was indecisive on it, which simply isn't true. Before we lynched Oats I expressed that Ace was more believable to me but was very clear that if Oats flipped town that Ace had to die. It was a poor play for Ace to sacrifice himself as a strong scum player(from my understanding) to get oats lynched. A super town Marv I could understand making that trade for but not Oats.

He is also trying to use my conversation with Ace as a misrepresentation. In the context of the conversation I was saying I would do that as scum to point out how his question to me was a null tell and although town would obviously claim as the cop there, that wasn't a point towards him being town.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 14 2013 22:07 GMT
#1449
On June 15 2013 07:05 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2013 07:03 kitaman27 wrote:
It makes so much more sense to lynch vivax so we can resolve the Vivax/prpl than blindly lynch into the green check. Not sure why I'm being ignored.


Kita, since you're eager to lynch me for information, could you tell me how you plan to draw conclusions about prplhz from my flip?


You're his super duper mafia read, he roleblocks you, he writes a case against you, and then votes sent.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 14 2013 22:09 GMT
#1450
On June 15 2013 07:07 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2013 07:05 Vivax wrote:
On June 15 2013 07:03 kitaman27 wrote:
It makes so much more sense to lynch vivax so we can resolve the Vivax/prpl than blindly lynch into the green check. Not sure why I'm being ignored.


Kita, since you're eager to lynch me for information, could you tell me how you plan to draw conclusions about prplhz from my flip?


You're his super duper mafia read, he roleblocks you, he writes a case against you, and then votes sent.

so why dont we kill prp then?
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 14 2013 22:09 GMT
#1451
so that means that one us and only one of us is mafia, 100%?

i don't follow you
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 14 2013 22:19 GMT
#1452
so is there going to be a flurry of activity or can i try to get my promo?
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 14 2013 22:19 GMT
#1453
... your promo?
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
June 14 2013 22:20 GMT
#1454
On June 15 2013 07:06 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2013 00:46 Vivax wrote:
On June 15 2013 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:
At the same time, we have this interaction from Ace:

On June 10 2013 05:39 Ace wrote:
Stutters if you're still around I've got a question for you


On June 10 2013 05:57 Ace wrote:
On June 10 2013 05:49 Stutters695 wrote:
Sure, shoot. LXI you were the serial poisoner who was playing so town you got caught because you kept getting defensively RBd.


Aww I'll take that as a compliment. Although I'd like you to point what is so un-Town like about me this game.

So here's my question. Imagine you get cop night 1 this game. Your top scum read comes back with a red check. You are under no pressure of getting lynched. Would you claim? In essence tell me what you would have done differently than I did because this isn't making sense to me.


Do you think that Ace is trying to convince his own scum buddy to do something?


At first glance it looks good for stutters cause ace is being inquisitive with him and I see that as unlikely between sbuddies, but
what matters more is the answer:

On June 10 2013 07:32 Stutters695 wrote:
On June 10 2013 05:57 Ace wrote:
On June 10 2013 05:49 Stutters695 wrote:
Sure, shoot. LXI you were the serial poisoner who was playing so town you got caught because you kept getting defensively RBd.


Aww I'll take that as a compliment. Although I'd like you to point what is so un-Town like about me this game.

So here's my question. Imagine you get cop night 1 this game. Your top scum read comes back with a red check. You are under no pressure of getting lynched. Would you claim? In essence tell me what you would have done differently than I did because this isn't making sense to me.


I'll give you what I see non-town tomorrow during the day, too busy right now to quote/explain my concerns.

I would have done the same thing if I was town. However if I was scum and rolled cop n1 I would also probably do the same thing and fake the check then talk my way out of the mislynch.

I'll talk more about it later, gotta go though.


That he doesn't deliver town points doesn't really matter, he could also have been lazy and ace was dead anyway.
The answer regarding ace's "what if" however is in contrast to an earlier statement:

On June 08 2013 08:43 Stutters695 wrote:
Well it's one of my main points in favoring an oats lynch.

That and the fact that scum Ace should be wise enough to realize that a 2-1 trade isn't in scums favor when we still haven't mislynched. I really can't read oats though and that worries me.


Stutters gave ace leeway cause he said he wouldn't pull that stunt as scum, but afterwards, when ace was doomed, he said he could also see it coming from scum.


Going to be a couple posts on this so I can quote everything of relevance to vivax.

First is this lovely post. Vivax is painting my stance on the Ace/Oats situation as I was indecisive on it, which simply isn't true. Before we lynched Oats I expressed that Ace was more believable to me but was very clear that if Oats flipped town that Ace had to die. It was a poor play for Ace to sacrifice himself as a strong scum player(from my understanding) to get oats lynched. A super town Marv I could understand making that trade for but not Oats.

He is also trying to use my conversation with Ace as a misrepresentation. In the context of the conversation I was saying I would do that as scum to point out how his question to me was a null tell and although town would obviously claim as the cop there, that wasn't a point towards him being town.


Alright, let me understand this. You meant to say that you didn't see ace being scum cause it would have been poor play for him to trade himself for Oats. But once Oats flipped, you said you would have done the same in his position as scum, but also as town with a legit dt check.

I still see the same inconsistency I addressed cause you used two different justifications pre- and post-flip.
I mean, preflip you argued with the unlikelyhood of ace doing that to lynch oats, post-flip you argued that you'd have done it as scum.

You've still missed to point out why you found Rayn scummy but didn't follow up with anything until he was up for lynch. It's more of a fact but if you have thoughts to offer about that time then maybe it'll tell us more about your mindset back then.

Aaaand finally you still didn't give reasons for me being scum since you've joined my wagon for no reason at the start of the day.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 14 2013 22:21 GMT
#1455
seriously we're lynching a green check because a guy everybody thinks is scummy said "lets reconsider the guy i just wrote a huge case on"

and there's no discussion
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 14 2013 22:22 GMT
#1456
it's not that i actually think sent is a bad lynch, it's just that i think there migth be a better lynch in jay/stutters/mkfuba that i didn't really consider yet
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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 14 2013 22:24 GMT
#1457
Also seriously. You really all need to be on Vivax. There is a reason for this.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 14 2013 22:29 GMT
#1458
On June 15 2013 02:51 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2013 02:34 Stutters695 wrote:
Lynch vivax first. If he flips scum we know his claim is worthless and sent is probably scum. If he's town then we're looking at the odds of him getting gf compared to just scummy town play.


Which means that even after I flip town you have an out to still lynch Sentinel, hence your reasoning for lynching me is flimsy since it doesn't solve a damn thing.

Instead of doing analysis you prefer to give reasoning that doesn't lead anywhere.

You never gave any reasons for voting for me. That no one picks up on that is outrageous. I asked you to deliver any reason at the start of the day and you did nothing. All you are doing is following thread sentiment.

I did give a reason for voting you. I liked Vaynes vote since you weren't just saying it so I figured a pressure vote would get you to say it(as I was typing you obviously revealed it, but it wasn't worth removing the vote when there was plenty of time in the day).

What made me decide to keep the vote as a serious one was your reaction to my vote and Vaynes analysis. You reacted by pushing me as a suspect on a meta argument when I HAVE NEVER PLAYED SCUM.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 14 2013 22:29 GMT
#1459
On June 15 2013 07:09 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2013 07:07 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 15 2013 07:05 Vivax wrote:
On June 15 2013 07:03 kitaman27 wrote:
It makes so much more sense to lynch vivax so we can resolve the Vivax/prpl than blindly lynch into the green check. Not sure why I'm being ignored.


Kita, since you're eager to lynch me for information, could you tell me how you plan to draw conclusions about prplhz from my flip?


You're his super duper mafia read, he roleblocks you, he writes a case against you, and then votes sent.

so why dont we kill prp then?


I have a stronger scum read on Vivax.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
June 14 2013 22:37 GMT
#1460
On June 13 2013 09:54 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 09:47 Vivax wrote:
Prplhz + stutters doesn't add up.

Even if one of them is scum, they're both super active and that seems kinda unusual, given their lurky metas.
What I notice and is a scumtell from stutters is the high peak in activity (and effort) at the beginning that dies off over time.

Trying to make up a case on me again? Didn't work in yanmm


Do you see the "even if one of them is scum"?
That actually implies that your activities are kinda townie, regardless of meta.

But a crass difference between early tryharding and later laziness is a scum-tell I see as generalized, not meta. Now we can start arguing on what is meta and whatnot, but that won't led anywhere.

Now I'm interested to hear why you've been holding this explanation back all the time though. I'm not sure if you're just clinging on some feeble explanation to keep your vote on me or if you're a paranoid townie who misread things (I've been there). And of course illustrating your thought process after you voiced your suspicion against Rayn would be helpful.
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