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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22426 Posts
June 14 2013 22:41 GMT
#1461
Btw if Sentinel flips scum we have to look into kita hard.

I mean really hard.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 14 2013 22:59 GMT
#1462
On June 15 2013 07:20 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2013 07:06 Stutters695 wrote:
On June 15 2013 00:46 Vivax wrote:
On June 15 2013 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:
At the same time, we have this interaction from Ace:

On June 10 2013 05:39 Ace wrote:
Stutters if you're still around I've got a question for you


On June 10 2013 05:57 Ace wrote:
On June 10 2013 05:49 Stutters695 wrote:
Sure, shoot. LXI you were the serial poisoner who was playing so town you got caught because you kept getting defensively RBd.


Aww I'll take that as a compliment. Although I'd like you to point what is so un-Town like about me this game.

So here's my question. Imagine you get cop night 1 this game. Your top scum read comes back with a red check. You are under no pressure of getting lynched. Would you claim? In essence tell me what you would have done differently than I did because this isn't making sense to me.


Do you think that Ace is trying to convince his own scum buddy to do something?


At first glance it looks good for stutters cause ace is being inquisitive with him and I see that as unlikely between sbuddies, but
what matters more is the answer:

On June 10 2013 07:32 Stutters695 wrote:
On June 10 2013 05:57 Ace wrote:
On June 10 2013 05:49 Stutters695 wrote:
Sure, shoot. LXI you were the serial poisoner who was playing so town you got caught because you kept getting defensively RBd.


Aww I'll take that as a compliment. Although I'd like you to point what is so un-Town like about me this game.

So here's my question. Imagine you get cop night 1 this game. Your top scum read comes back with a red check. You are under no pressure of getting lynched. Would you claim? In essence tell me what you would have done differently than I did because this isn't making sense to me.


I'll give you what I see non-town tomorrow during the day, too busy right now to quote/explain my concerns.

I would have done the same thing if I was town. However if I was scum and rolled cop n1 I would also probably do the same thing and fake the check then talk my way out of the mislynch.

I'll talk more about it later, gotta go though.


That he doesn't deliver town points doesn't really matter, he could also have been lazy and ace was dead anyway.
The answer regarding ace's "what if" however is in contrast to an earlier statement:

On June 08 2013 08:43 Stutters695 wrote:
Well it's one of my main points in favoring an oats lynch.

That and the fact that scum Ace should be wise enough to realize that a 2-1 trade isn't in scums favor when we still haven't mislynched. I really can't read oats though and that worries me.


Stutters gave ace leeway cause he said he wouldn't pull that stunt as scum, but afterwards, when ace was doomed, he said he could also see it coming from scum.


Going to be a couple posts on this so I can quote everything of relevance to vivax.

First is this lovely post. Vivax is painting my stance on the Ace/Oats situation as I was indecisive on it, which simply isn't true. Before we lynched Oats I expressed that Ace was more believable to me but was very clear that if Oats flipped town that Ace had to die. It was a poor play for Ace to sacrifice himself as a strong scum player(from my understanding) to get oats lynched. A super town Marv I could understand making that trade for but not Oats.

He is also trying to use my conversation with Ace as a misrepresentation. In the context of the conversation I was saying I would do that as scum to point out how his question to me was a null tell and although town would obviously claim as the cop there, that wasn't a point towards him being town.


Alright, let me understand this. You meant to say that you didn't see ace being scum cause it would have been poor play for him to trade himself for Oats. But once Oats flipped, you said you would have done the same in his position as scum, but also as town with a legit dt check.

I still see the same inconsistency I addressed cause you used two different justifications pre- and post-flip.
I mean, preflip you argued with the unlikelyhood of ace doing that to lynch oats, post-flip you argued that you'd have done it as scum.

You've still missed to point out why you found Rayn scummy but didn't follow up with anything until he was up for lynch. It's more of a fact but if you have thoughts to offer about that time then maybe it'll tell us more about your mindset back then.

Aaaand finally you still didn't give reasons for me being scum since you've joined my wagon for no reason at the start of the day.


I would have done it as scum. I'm not Ace. I probably could have gotten out of it if it was me in Ace's position because I am not known for making great plays and as such people would probably give me the benefit of the doubt. You're also neglecting how huge of a difference pre-flip and post-flip makes.

Pre-flip I'm operating under the assumption that one of them is lying. If you take it from a pure numbers standpoint for scum to win each member must be worth 3 deaths from the start. After Rayn dies d1, each scum has to be worth 4 or offer something else of value to ensure the remaining scum will survive. Best case for Ace was Oats+2, Ace+2 for oats. Ace as an analyst is significantly more valuable if he's town and if he's not he's giving up a kp(incredibly valuable) and still is dead before he's made his value back. Couple that with my relatively high level of respect for his play and it's pretty easy to see why I thought he was truthful over oats, not that he was for sure truthful

Now post flip I know oats was telling the truth. This changes things. Odds are significantly against oats being Miller so I'm trying to divine if Ace was lying. He tries to say he's town so of course he did this. But I know now oats was truthful, so I'm trying to figure out if ace is. I figure if I would consider it as scum, Ace might and thus his I'm town so I had to is a null tell.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 14 2013 23:00 GMT
#1463
I'll address the rest after the flip, won't have time to type more now
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 14 2013 23:00 GMT
#1464
Night 4


Final Votecount

Vivax (3): Stutters695, VayneAuthority, mkfuba07, WaveofShadow, kitaman27
prplhz (0): Vivax, layabout
[UoN]Sentinel (6): prplhz, jaybrundage, mkfuba07, WaveofShadow, Vivax, [UoN]Sentinel
VayneAuthority (1): [UoN]Sentinel
Stutters695 (0): Vivax

Not Voting (0):

[UoN]Sentinel has been lynched!



The assembled Gamblers looked down on a hooded figure, shackled and severely beaten and under the influence of at least 5 different lies.

"Fellow Gamblers!", a very loud Gambler yelled. Nobody is quite sure if he's lying about the "fellow" part, but hell, at one point you gotta break the circle. The circle of lies.
"This man has been caught cheating at dice. We all know what cheating at dice means. If he was a townsman like we are, he'd be filthy rich by now. Also lies!"

"I am rich!", the prisoner replied.

"Yes, now. After cheating. Nice lies lying scum liar!"

"I am not a lying liar!", the prisoner exclaimed. Everyone was unsure whether he was lying but clearly that's also what a liar would say.

"Alright guys", Vivax spoke. "Take off his hood. I shall see if his lies are lies or not so lie-y after all."

"Are you certain you're not lying about lying and a liar would fool your lies?"

"This is retarded."

Thus the hood was taken off. Turns out the prisoner was [UoN]Sentinel. A man wide and far known to be a very truthful liar.

Vivax gazed deeply in his eyes.
Not because it does anything, he just wanted to get some sexual tension going.

"Alright, this man is not a lying scum scum liar lies.", he proclaimed publicly.

"HOW DO U NO THO?!?!?"

"Magic"

And then they still killed [UoN]Sentinel. Just to make sure.

[UoN]Sentinel, the Gambling VT has been lynched!

It is now Night 4. Roles being sent out in the next couple minutes, you have 24 hours to send in actions you may have. deadline is at 23:00 GMT (+00:00)
tl;dr: Business as usual.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 14 2013 23:01 GMT
#1465
You guys make me so frustrated.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 14 2013 23:05 GMT
#1466
:/
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22426 Posts
June 14 2013 23:05 GMT
#1467
Let's see who gets checked next.

I don't know why I have a boner though, must be those eyes.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 14 2013 23:06 GMT
#1468
As far as Rayn goes, I was pretty indifferent to it. It seemed like a reasonable lurker lynch and I had stuff going on that day. Thus I dropped my vote in case I couldn't get back and avoid a modkill.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22426 Posts
June 14 2013 23:08 GMT
#1469
Actually I'd like you to check me so we get this off the table and can start hunting scum.
Come at me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22426 Posts
June 14 2013 23:09 GMT
#1470
Do it or you'll feel my ...wraith

huehuehue
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22426 Posts
June 14 2013 23:15 GMT
#1471
Btw stutters keep up that style, you can clearly post better than your average standard, and the explanation so far has been pretty townie. I don't smell bollocks in that post.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 14 2013 23:20 GMT
#1472
god dammit
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 14 2013 23:31 GMT
#1473
So can we please lynch Vivax tomorrow?
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 14 2013 23:36 GMT
#1474
Like what's the point of dt checking Sent if we're going to lynch him no matter what return we get. -_-
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 14 2013 23:53 GMT
#1475
GG. Sorry I couldn't be more active this game.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 15 2013 00:34 GMT
#1476
Well I gambled and lost, sorry guys.
The thing is we probably had to off Sent no matter what like Kita just said, he was too scummy to let live at any point.
At the very least right now we have some town confirmations (unless scum withheld shots).
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
June 15 2013 01:22 GMT
#1477
Well lets get blue roles together and try to figure this thing out.
Also i loved this OP make more good ones plz
DONT BE LAZY

On June 15 2013 08:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
Night 4


Final Votecount

Vivax (3): Stutters695, VayneAuthority, mkfuba07, WaveofShadow, kitaman27
prplhz (0): Vivax, layabout
[UoN]Sentinel (6): prplhz, jaybrundage, mkfuba07, WaveofShadow, Vivax, [UoN]Sentinel
VayneAuthority (1): [UoN]Sentinel
Stutters695 (0): Vivax

Not Voting (0):

[UoN]Sentinel has been lynched!



The assembled Gamblers looked down on a hooded figure, shackled and severely beaten and under the influence of at least 5 different lies.

"Fellow Gamblers!", a very loud Gambler yelled. Nobody is quite sure if he's lying about the "fellow" part, but hell, at one point you gotta break the circle. The circle of lies.
"This man has been caught cheating at dice. We all know what cheating at dice means. If he was a townsman like we are, he'd be filthy rich by now. Also lies!"

"I am rich!", the prisoner replied.

"Yes, now. After cheating. Nice lies lying scum liar!"

"I am not a lying liar!", the prisoner exclaimed. Everyone was unsure whether he was lying but clearly that's also what a liar would say.

"Alright guys", Vivax spoke. "Take off his hood. I shall see if his lies are lies or not so lie-y after all."

"Are you certain you're not lying about lying and a liar would fool your lies?"

"This is retarded."

Thus the hood was taken off. Turns out the prisoner was [UoN]Sentinel. A man wide and far known to be a very truthful liar.

Vivax gazed deeply in his eyes.
Not because it does anything, he just wanted to get some sexual tension going.

"Alright, this man is not a lying scum scum liar lies.", he proclaimed publicly.

"HOW DO U NO THO?!?!?"

"Magic"

And then they still killed [UoN]Sentinel. Just to make sure.

[UoN]Sentinel, the Gambling VT has been lynched!

It is now Night 4. Roles being sent out in the next couple minutes, you have 24 hours to send in actions you may have. deadline is at 23:00 GMT (+00:00)
tl;dr: Business as usual.



The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 15 2013 06:05 GMT
#1478
Where is everyone. We just lynched a townie and everyone is silent
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 15 2013 15:56 GMT
#1479
On June 15 2013 15:05 Stutters695 wrote:
Where is everyone. We just lynched a townie and everyone is silent

I think once the thread died down we all scheduled other stuff

besides townie lynches tell you way less than scum lynches. This lynch painted a few people green but unless you try to WIFOM it there isn't any benefit to telling mafia who you think looks town at night.

The game seems to be mostly acting on roles from now on so why write a case when we have a small group of players that are suspicious and nightactions to be revealed in the morning which will dictate what we do?
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 15 2013 22:43 GMT
#1480
If i die remember to kill sent, prplhz and stutters
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
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