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On June 06 2013 11:44 Spicydinosaur wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2013 11:34 Xzavier wrote:
Also the reason im for lynching a lurker night one is even if it is a noobie who realized they didnt have the time for it, then they arnt ever gonna be useful for us in this game, so it still would be more productive than a No-lynch.
I disagree with this. I would rather have a no lynch than to lynch someone i think is a lurking town. We should only be lynching scum, not bad town. I don't see how lynching a townie lurker is more productive. If you think vote for someone because you think he's a lurking scum... fine, but a lurking town vote doesn't help
I would very much rather lynch a lurker than go no-lynch. Would you rather:
a) be at LYLO with one or more players that are completely unreadable
b) be at LYLO slightly earlier with players you can at least try to get a read on
Lurking townies aren't just "not useful to town", they're an actual liability later in the game.
Obviously you should lynch scum reads over lurkers, but you shouldn't give lurkers a free pass either.
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On June 06 2013 12:33 Umasi wrote:
I don't like how you try to deflect any pressure that could come onto you, before it even comes onto you. There's no reason to feel that you're under suspicion at this point, and I think it points towards blue or scum. Or I'm reading into it to much.
At this point I'm leaning towards scum.
Yeah, the random lynch vote also leads me in that direction.
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As far as lynching lurkers goes, just lynch the person you think has the highest chance of being mafia. No-lynching allows lurkers to stick around, and although A townie is still a townie and still counts towards the town count, regardless of how invested they are in the game. may be true, townies that don't help us are not, well, good for town. Because they're not helping. So although lynching a lurking townie is NOT GOOD, If the chance is reasonable and everyone else thinks it's reasonable that they will flip scum, lynching is wise, because the alternative is wasting the one power vanilla townies have: Their vote.
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No lynch means no chance of removing scum during the day cycle. And it means less information about bandwagons to analyze. I don't support no lynch in the early game. There are situations where no lynch makes sense near endgame.
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What i dont get is what motive there is to defend lurking?
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On June 06 2013 12:33 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 11:13 iVLosK! wrote:
Lynching lurkers isn't a strategy that I really like in a noobie game. What we'll find is that some people just signed up and fucked off, regardless of alignment. Or people who vastly underestimated the amount of time/effort they'd need to put in.
Having said that, I won't be nailed down and if I feel a lurker is scum I'll vote them in a second and you all will be like "Aww Vlosk said he doesn't like lynching lurkers in noob games!" I don't like how you try to deflect any pressure that could come onto you, before it even comes onto you. There's no reason to feel that you're under suspicion at this point, and I think it points towards blue or scum. Or I'm reading into it to much.At this point I'm leaning towards scum.
This guy.
On June 06 2013 12:04 Xzavier wrote:Show nested quote +A townie is still a townie and still counts towards the town count, regardless of how invested they are in the game. Okay, i should refresh the page before i post. Vloski thats the most suspicious thing iv seen so far. There are atleast 3 types of townies: Useful ones who create content Inactive ones who do nothing to help prevent impending doom Counterproductive ones who spam the thread then bandwagon votes Useful ones win the game, inactive ones dont. Their is a difference between townies. However you dont need to post all the time or even often, Quality over Quantity, but if your posting little and their is no new information to gain from it, that is pretty scummy. If your posting little and when you do post its with an ironclad case (which was the other way of playing this game that i was considering) Is also acceptable, as this doesnt make you a high profile target for the mafia, and benefits the town.
And this guy.
Keep your weak sauce FOS's. Come at me with votes, brahs.
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On June 06 2013 11:25 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 11:13 iVLosK! wrote:
Lynching lurkers isn't a strategy that I really like in a noobie game. What we'll find is that some people just signed up and fucked off, regardless of alignment. Or people who vastly underestimated the amount of time/effort they'd need to put in.
Having said that, I won't be nailed down and if I feel a lurker is scum I'll vote them in a second and you all will be like "Aww Vlosk said he doesn't like lynching lurkers in noob games!" I'm more of the opinion that we should pressure lurkers, and once they start posting ease off on them. Lynching a lurker D1 is almost always a townie, especially in a newbie game.
Saying that your votes on lurkers will be pressure votes, and telling them what they need to do for you to ease off pretty much neutralizes any pressure you might otherwise be able to muster.
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##vote:iVlosk!
Ill take this vote back when you defend yourself with logic over brofists
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##VOTE iVLosK!
Why are you asking to be voted upon this early?
I think that what you're doing is antagonistic. I think that, if you were townie, you'd voice concern about these weak FOS's, try to correct them, and develop reads on us based on that. You didn't correct them....You're asking for votes on you.
That's confusing, and not wise no matter the case.
You wouldn't be poking the fire if you were town, and scum wants to poke the fire. Or at least, you wouldn't have motivation to poke the fire as town, but you would as scum.
If mafia want to sow confusion, why are you doing something I think is scum-like, if you are town?
Since I feel confused, I'm feeling even more of a scum read on you, so my vote rests.
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On June 06 2013 12:56 Xzavier wrote:
##vote:iVlosk!
Ill take this vote back when you defend yourself with logic over brofists
Keep it there, then. I like my brofists.
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I thought more about your preemptive excuse, and realized it wasn't very indicative of anything at all. But after you defend yourself with the phrase "this guy" , heck, even the fact that you address it as a concern, is scummy to me.
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On June 06 2013 12:58 iVLosK! wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 12:56 Xzavier wrote:
##vote:iVlosk!
Ill take this vote back when you defend yourself with logic over brofists Keep it there, then. I like my brofists.
Just explain why you think what you do, why you made a preemptive excuse, and why you like your brofists. Liking brofists is BAD. Brofists are emotional. We, as town, do not want emotional. We want thought and logic.
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can lurkers be replaced after thier ban?
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Wait guys, this seems too easy.
Is there a jester or other role that wins from being lynched?
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On June 06 2013 12:57 Umasi wrote:
##VOTE iVLosK!
Why are you asking to be voted upon this early?
I think that what you're doing is antagonistic. I think that, if you were townie, you'd voice concern about these weak FOS's, try to correct them, and develop reads on us based on that. You didn't correct them....You're asking for votes on you.
That's confusing, and not wise no matter the case.
You wouldn't be poking the fire if you were town, and scum wants to poke the fire. Or at least, you wouldn't have motivation to poke the fire as town, but you would as scum.
If mafia want to sow confusion, why are you doing something I think is scum-like, if you are town?
Since I feel confused, I'm feeling even more of a scum read on you, so my vote rests.
First underline: Ask that other guy from OMGUS who my vote is on. I give literally zero fucks about your FOS's. In my original post where I "excused myself for future scumminess" or whatever, I was simply stating that I'll do what I want regardless of what you think is scummy. If I don't want to vote for a lurker, I won't. And if I feel like voting for a lurker, bet your fine ass that I will. Regardless of what I've said in the past.
Second underline: Maybe you should adjust what you think is "scum-like." I would suggest it, actually. If you and I are going to be friends. I would like to be friends.
Also "since I feel confused, you are therefore scum." is literally the dumbest thing that I have ever heard in my life. And I actually laughed quietly to myself upon reading it.
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On June 06 2013 13:01 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 12:58 iVLosK! wrote:On June 06 2013 12:56 Xzavier wrote:
##vote:iVlosk!
Ill take this vote back when you defend yourself with logic over brofists Keep it there, then. I like my brofists. Just explain why you think what you do, why you made a preemptive excuse, and why you like your brofists. Liking brofists is BAD. Brofists are emotional. We, as town, do not want emotional. We want thought and logic.
See above.
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On June 06 2013 12:40 Firere345 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 12:33 Umasi wrote:
I don't like how you try to deflect any pressure that could come onto you, before it even comes onto you. There's no reason to feel that you're under suspicion at this point, and I think it points towards blue or scum. Or I'm reading into it to much.
At this point I'm leaning towards scum. Yeah, the random lynch vote also leads me in that direction.
Gut feel, the Toss is scum.
I made it very clear that my vote was not a "lynch vote" by saying I would remove it when the player told me who he was.
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You still havnt given a pro-town motivation for defending lurkers. and imo there isnt one. lurking hurts the town. says so in every guide iv read.
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I'm kinda liking iVLosK for town.
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