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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9640 Posts
May 20 2013 18:57 GMT
#1681
if there's anyone who wouldn't take more pleasure in lynching a scum marv it would be me. Dandel would love doing bh would love doing it.

Signs point to a town marv at this moment he should be protected.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
May 20 2013 19:01 GMT
#1682
Actually VA I have a question for you if you have a moment. Initially during D1 you had a town->null read on GK. Eventually this evolved into a scumread after GK said he didn't check his role PM. Since then you've been pushing for his lynch. Aside from the role PM shenannies, why do you think GK is scum? What has changed about your initial scumreads on stutters, WoS, and s0lstice that they are not your main pushes (just DI and GK)? I know you've kept the pressure up on s0lstice a little but since changing your vote to GK during D1 you have not mentioned sutters or s0lstice. Where do you stand on them?
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 20 2013 19:04 GMT
#1683
On May 21 2013 04:01 Blazinghand wrote:
Actually VA I have a question for you if you have a moment. Initially during D1 you had a town->null read on GK. Eventually this evolved into a scumread after GK said he didn't check his role PM. Since then you've been pushing for his lynch. Aside from the role PM shenannies, why do you think GK is scum? What has changed about your initial scumreads on stutters, WoS, and s0lstice that they are not your main pushes (just DI and GK)? I know you've kept the pressure up on s0lstice a little but since changing your vote to GK during D1 you have not mentioned sutters or s0lstice. Where do you stand on them?


basically I revised my scum based on this first day from stutters/solstice/WoS/DL to GK/solstice/WoS/DL. I will post why in a second, long post incoming
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 20 2013 19:10 GMT
#1684
On May 21 2013 03:57 iamperfection wrote:
if there's anyone who wouldn't take more pleasure in lynching a scum marv it would be me. Dandel would love doing bh would love doing it.

Signs point to a town marv at this moment he should be protected.

There is noone in thread that can't possibly be scum other than yamato for me. And i remember Dandel's retarded comments from Red where he stated that marv can't be lynched on D1 so it's not worth looking into him. So no, i don't think Dandel would lynch marv. Dunno about you and BH.

You however have a point in marv/BH mason thing (i guess you are referring to that?). Assuming BH is scum marv would be valuable as town, but still.. yamato is the towniest guy in thread.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 20 2013 19:10 GMT
#1685
GK: initially had a null read on him as he was causing discussion and pressuring people...then he makes that "didnt look at my role PM" post which is super scummy to me so I stop and look back at his filter. all he has been doing all game is pressuring lurkers trying to get one of them lynched. Some might say this is good play to get rid of the "trash" or whatever but to me its just an excuse to mislynch. I hate his filter.

s0lstice: posted my reads on him a lot, just filter me

WoS: Do not like how he is constantly going against what the popular opinion is and is too sure of things happening before they actually happen. My worst scrumread of the 4 but he intrigues me...also a lot of fluff posts.

DL: never played with him before but im taking vets word on it that hes playing scummy and hes been pretty useless so far. even if he doesnt flip red I dont see why he would be useful to keep around. Maybe vig him instead of lynch is a better option.

Why I retracted on stutters: At first I thought he was extremely suspicious for immediately wanting to jump on the first bandwagon of the day but then I realized that I doubt mafia would do it so early. As I said later in the day, we have to watch out for the people that bandwagon at the end, not at the beginning. He seems like just another sputnik to me, a low activity poster thats easy bait to mislynch. Waiting to see more from him.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 20 2013 19:14 GMT
#1686
On May 21 2013 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 03:57 iamperfection wrote:
if there's anyone who wouldn't take more pleasure in lynching a scum marv it would be me. Dandel would love doing bh would love doing it.

Signs point to a town marv at this moment he should be protected.

There is noone in thread that can't possibly be scum other than yamato for me. And i remember Dandel's retarded comments from Red where he stated that marv can't be lynched on D1 so it's not worth looking into him. So no, i don't think Dandel would lynch marv. Dunno about you and BH.

You however have a point in marv/BH mason thing (i guess you are referring to that?). Assuming BH is scum marv would be valuable as town, but still.. yamato is the towniest guy in thread.


so you made a completely baseless assertion?

excellent.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9640 Posts
May 20 2013 19:15 GMT
#1687
On May 21 2013 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 03:57 iamperfection wrote:
if there's anyone who wouldn't take more pleasure in lynching a scum marv it would be me. Dandel would love doing bh would love doing it.

Signs point to a town marv at this moment he should be protected.

There is noone in thread that can't possibly be scum other than yamato for me. And i remember Dandel's retarded comments from Red where he stated that marv can't be lynched on D1 so it's not worth looking into him. So no, i don't think Dandel would lynch marv. Dunno about you and BH.

You however have a point in marv/BH mason thing (i guess you are referring to that?). Assuming BH is scum marv would be valuable as town, but still.. yamato is the towniest guy in thread.

i believe marv is town therefore he should be protected there is no need to complicate it further. yamotos "townieness" has nothing to do with it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
May 20 2013 19:16 GMT
#1688
So quicktopic is totally down for me marv is it down for you
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 20 2013 19:17 GMT
#1689
yeah it's down.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 20 2013 19:17 GMT
#1690
Also question for you BH do you share any of my reads, if so why? or do you think its all shit?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
May 20 2013 19:17 GMT
#1691
wow, THANKS OBAMA
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
May 20 2013 19:27 GMT
#1692
On May 21 2013 04:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
GK: initially had a null read on him as he was causing discussion and pressuring people...then he makes that "didnt look at my role PM" post which is super scummy to me so I stop and look back at his filter. all he has been doing all game is pressuring lurkers trying to get one of them lynched. Some might say this is good play to get rid of the "trash" or whatever but to me its just an excuse to mislynch. I hate his filter.

s0lstice: posted my reads on him a lot, just filter me

WoS: Do not like how he is constantly going against what the popular opinion is and is too sure of things happening before they actually happen. My worst scrumread of the 4 but he intrigues me...also a lot of fluff posts.

DL: never played with him before but im taking vets word on it that hes playing scummy and hes been pretty useless so far. even if he doesnt flip red I dont see why he would be useful to keep around. Maybe vig him instead of lynch is a better option.

Why I retracted on stutters: At first I thought he was extremely suspicious for immediately wanting to jump on the first bandwagon of the day but then I realized that I doubt mafia would do it so early. As I said later in the day, we have to watch out for the people that bandwagon at the end, not at the beginning. He seems like just another sputnik to me, a low activity poster thats easy bait to mislynch. Waiting to see more from him.


The bolded is actually a town tell.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
May 20 2013 19:27 GMT
#1693
Well, I am beginning to think JJD is town. I say this despite having pushed for his lynch yesterday because of his two most recent posts. He came into the thread to try to take credit for me seeming scummy, which isn't really a town move, but he said two things that I don't think he'd say as scum. First, he cops to his initial scumread on DP
On May 21 2013 00:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 23:52 s0Lstice wrote:
JarJar, how did you read DP prior to the BH scumslip and why?

Was leaning scum. I wasn't crazy about how he misread my meta or how he was so quick to believe BHs claim. Not sure why he thinks he was "the towniest motherfucker in the game"


and then, and this is important, he decides that he's going to write a case against DP (link) when the easiest thing in the world is to say "yeah, DP is town look how he caught BH". This is not the move of a scum player, imo. A scum player has every incentive to give DP a townread, ESPECIALLY a scum player who has butted heads with DP already and now sees DP going after someone that said player targeted during D1. Why not say something like "ah, looks like you had some good in you after all DP! Yes, you are definitively town"? Why, as a low-activity inexperienced player, pick a fight with DP when it's pretty clear that BH is on the chopping block the next day?

I don't see scum taking a huge unnecessary risk like that. I can see a town player doing it, though, if he really does think DP is scum. I can see him doing it even though it's a dumb idea, because he wants to do what's right and push his scumreads.

JJD could be scum emulating a town player who does that-- but I don't think he is. I think he's town.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Profile Joined December 2012
Guernsey584 Posts
May 20 2013 19:30 GMT
#1694
Night ends in 1.5 hours.
Come on townie. Townie take my hand .We'll be able to scumhunt. Townie I'm your scum
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 20 2013 19:36 GMT
#1695
Hmm, I found something that doesn't make GK look too hot.

Here's his 2nd post in the game here, which I'll spoiler:

+ Show Spoiler +

On May 18 2013 06:47 goodkarma wrote:
I feel that Stutters's play so far has been scummy. First, he completely contradicts himself about his thoughts on meta:

Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 03:16 Stutters695 wrote:
On May 18 2013 03:01 s0Lstice wrote:
the fact that i've only ever played town is a pretty important piece of information to share for people who don't know me/haven't played with me.

getting my share on, don't hate


Maybe I'm reading to much into this but I'm wondering why you want people to focus on your meta?

Let's say I tell you this is like my 13th game without rolling scum. What does that tell you about my play this game that you'd consider important at all right now?


So he doesn't feel meta's important here.

But:

Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 03:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On May 18 2013 03:07 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 18 2013 03:06 s0Lstice wrote:
On May 18 2013 03:04 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 18 2013 03:02 s0Lstice wrote:
stutters, you got any scum games you can quickly point me to save me some time?


OOHHH Let me.

As town, He lurks but sometimes says useful things. As scum, He lurks.


Ohhh but not this time, according to him. Stutters you are forbidden to lurk.


Not the first, nor the last time that phrase will be heard in this forum.

Excellent summary of my town play. That fabled scum game is still waiting to happen though.


When it comes to excusing his lurky play, it matters.

Also, I found this to be scummy:

Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 06:00 Stutters695 wrote:
Right now I could get behind a Vayne lynch. vayne how many games have you played (on TL and in general if you've played on other sites)?


In other words, he's ready to sheep onto a Vayne lynch bandwaggon if it gains momentum. But he doesn't want to draw atttention to himself by putting down a vote.

#Vote: Stutters

I look forward to Stutters's response. If it is to be believed he's sometimes useful as town, then that's another scumtell as he's been nothing but useless thus far.


Here's a couple of things he said in The Game.

On March 17 2013 05:31 goodkarma wrote:

@Mr. Wiggles:

Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 17 2013 03:53 goodkarma wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:46 Coagulation wrote:
The sast thing was clearly a joke. It was like an hour into day 1 and there was no one posting. You can just expect to be nailing scum 1 hour into day 1 when 90% of players havnt posted. thats fucking absurd. so omg someone makes a joke post to pass the time.


Okay. I can understand it was early. But if we were to look in the here and now you still haven't provided anything that suggests who you think could be scum.

I think what peashooter, and others here are getting at, is either post something that helps us scumhunt, or don't post at all.

I am less inclined than others here to just policy lynch you. But you make it hard for us when you continue to spam the thread with emotional OMGUS responses. Hopefully you see where we're coming from.


I would be most interested in hearing about your read on Grey.

What are your own reads for scum? You've mentioned twice the need to scumhunt, and here you're chiding Coag for not providing anything in regards to who he thinks is scum, when you yourself have done the same. It's just more of the same general game play talk with no actual stances taken in regards to your own opinions.

##Vote: goodkarma

Convince me you're not scum.


Sowy, but I'm not giving you any scumreads until I'm ready to. You claim I haven't been scumhunting, but if you were to look at my posting so far I have:

1) Worked towards establishing a pro-town atmosphere, a reasonable early goal
2) Been pushing others for reads to get a better understanding of their motives and thought process, which is very important to getting scumreads


As far as cases go, which aren't the only component of scumhunting: As I said, when I'm ready. And I promise you it will be long before the end of the day.

But what I'd recommend you to do right now is to focus some of your energies on getting others to participate (not everyone has even posted yet!), and pursue some of your other scumreads. Because tunneling one read, and going into lurker mode thereafter is in itself pretty scummy...



On March 17 2013 09:15 goodkarma wrote:

I will be presenting my own case before the evening's done, so everyone has a solid 24ish hours to look at it. But I typically don't like to jump into cases as quickly as some here. Call that scummy if you want, but it's my playstyle.


Highlights in bold and red are mine. The bolds are self-explanatory, and I bolded the red to explain it slightly - goodkarma is saying in this passage that it's important to push people for their motivations and thought processes, and thinks it's very important.

Here he makes an early case on Stutters (despite saying last town-game he doesn't make early cases) and he never talked to him first about his thought processes.

I would note at the end of his post in this thread he says "I look forward to Stutters response". But if we're to take his posts in The Game at face value, goodkarma likes to play by getting responses FIRST, voting LATER.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
May 20 2013 19:47 GMT
#1696
Marv what would you suggest we do about GK if it seems BH is still mainly on the block tomorrow? Do you think its worth waiting some more to see what he comes up with or is he vig fodder? I don't think he's done anything since before the shitstorm with BH last night.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 20 2013 19:50 GMT
#1697
On May 21 2013 04:27 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, I am beginning to think JJD is town. I say this despite having pushed for his lynch yesterday because of his two most recent posts. He came into the thread to try to take credit for me seeming scummy, which isn't really a town move, but he said two things that I don't think he'd say as scum. First, he cops to his initial scumread on DP
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 00:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On May 20 2013 23:52 s0Lstice wrote:
JarJar, how did you read DP prior to the BH scumslip and why?

Was leaning scum. I wasn't crazy about how he misread my meta or how he was so quick to believe BHs claim. Not sure why he thinks he was "the towniest motherfucker in the game"


and then, and this is important, he decides that he's going to write a case against DP (link) when the easiest thing in the world is to say "yeah, DP is town look how he caught BH". This is not the move of a scum player, imo. A scum player has every incentive to give DP a townread, ESPECIALLY a scum player who has butted heads with DP already and now sees DP going after someone that said player targeted during D1. Why not say something like "ah, looks like you had some good in you after all DP! Yes, you are definitively town"? Why, as a low-activity inexperienced player, pick a fight with DP when it's pretty clear that BH is on the chopping block the next day?

I don't see scum taking a huge unnecessary risk like that. I can see a town player doing it, though, if he really does think DP is scum. I can see him doing it even though it's a dumb idea, because he wants to do what's right and push his scumreads.

JJD could be scum emulating a town player who does that-- but I don't think he is. I think he's town.

I don't think the bolded part is necessarily true. And i don't know how you think it's true. If JJD is scum and assumes you are lynched tomorrow, why would he not find DP suspicious now? Why did you not think of the possibility that JJD is looking for a day 3 target already as you should see this if you are town?
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 20 2013 19:52 GMT
#1698
On May 21 2013 04:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Marv what would you suggest we do about GK if it seems BH is still mainly on the block tomorrow? Do you think its worth waiting some more to see what he comes up with or is he vig fodder? I don't think he's done anything since before the shitstorm with BH last night.


I dunno. I think GK is mafia now though.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 20 2013 19:53 GMT
#1699
quicktopic is back up
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
May 20 2013 19:57 GMT
#1700
hello.
I have been doing stuff other the weekend.
I was thinking GK was scum now marv just made a case on him.
So I'll vote for him tomorrow.
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