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On May 21 2013 01:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 01:45 yamato77 wrote:On May 21 2013 01:11 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2013 01:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 21 2013 01:00 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2013 00:45 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 21 2013 00:38 marvellosity wrote:
Probably not, no. Helpful, thanks. So you feel that shutting down my line of questioning is the most effective way to be playing right now? That's either scum action right there or you have some other reason for finding my questioning useless. I assume you're not going to explain what that is, either? Why are you afraid to engage me in discussion, marv? Sweetie, I'll never be afraid to engage you in discussion. My point is "is he being a good little townie" is a different question to "is this guy mafia". That's the distinction I was trying to get at with my question (which you didn't understand by your counter-question). If you're struggling to see the town motivation in 'taunting' town as town, there's very little mafia motivation for it either, because it brings attention on yourself. Typical mafia MO is to blend in using whatever chosen method; usually "taunting" is not one, but your post said (to paraphrase) "why aren't we lynching dandel for taunting us, the taunting is more convincing as a mafia trait than BH's scumslip + reactions". If all townies always played proper town-like, the game of mafia would be exceptionally easy. Ok? What, then, are your thoughts on Dandel right now? We have so much shit in this town doing nothing and the only one you seem to find it in your heart to defend is Dandel. Is it because you believe him to be town? I feel like I have no idea what you're up to, marv. You do engage people in discussion and ask all sorts of questions but I don't know what you think of people. The irony of it is, if it *wasn't* Dandel, I'd be quite confident his slot was town, because antagonistic, blaze players are usually town. But because it is Dandel, I'm not so sure about that read. I went over his filter earlier, and other than the weird shit-fest with me, I didn't find much particularly upsetting. His reads kinda make sense, and they are actually evolved and explained if you look past some of the weirdness.Quite a lot depends on how he performs on Day 2 I guess. I very clearly pointed out how this is blatantly not true, Marv. You got some 'splainin' to do. No, you made a post trumpeting your own opinion which you now hold to be 100% true even though it's totally subjective to you and contains gems such as "dandel doesn't sheep" when he sheeps multiple times each game as town.
The only read of his that was well-developed at all was GK and he dropped it ON A DIME just because the "lynch wasn't happening".
The rest of his reads are one-liners. His play lately has been abhorrent and he obviously doesn't care about town. You can't just say "Oh that's your opinion," when the dude is lazy and scummy.
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I mean, if Dandel were town, wouldn't you expect him to be playing differently? Doesn't Dandel usually have strong opinions as town? I'm not saying he never sheeps, but doesn't it seems off to you that he's been playing "follow the Marv" the whole game?
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I would like to hear from GK before nights end.
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On May 21 2013 01:55 yamato77 wrote:
I mean, if Dandel were town, wouldn't you expect him to be playing differently? Doesn't Dandel usually have strong opinions as town? I'm not saying he never sheeps, but doesn't it seems off to you that he's been playing "follow the Marv" the whole game?
Do you think he's been playing "follow the marv"? He had GK as a scumread when I never did, and I had vague suspicions of JJD, but his were significantly more explained than mine ever were (which were general meta activity).
How did Dandel make his scumreads in British 2? I would say he's explained his scumreads here quite a bit more than he did there.
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His suspicion on JJD is not well-explained by any stretch of the imagination.
On May 18 2013 08:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
JJD looks like a decent lynch. I'd sheep that.
On May 18 2013 09:55 Dandel Ion wrote:
I'm mainly interested in lynching jjd and gk atm.
What has been said about jdd has been said, and he hasn't said anything.
Yeah, no.
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On May 21 2013 02:10 yamato77 wrote:His suspicion on JJD is not well-explained by any stretch of the imagination. Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 08:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
JJD looks like a decent lynch. I'd sheep that. Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 09:55 Dandel Ion wrote:
I'm mainly interested in lynching jjd and gk atm.
What has been said about jdd has been said, and he hasn't said anything. Yeah, no.
This struck me as a valid point (perhaps because he was partially agreeing with me...)
On May 18 2013 20:31 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 19:18 marvellosity wrote:
One other thing - something I don't like that both WoS and JarJar are doing is complaining about thread activity. That riles me quite a bit. Especially with WoS, given how posty he usually is himself. This actually interesting, since they do it only 10 minutes apart from each other. I think if they were both scum, they'd be more self-conscious about things like that and, if not not say it at all (since it sounds scummy as hell), at least space it out a little? That's a scumtell on JJD mainly, I'd say. He's hinding his scummery behind the posts of somebody else. He also made it sound like he's not complaining when he totally was complaining.
And this is a pretty devious post construction if he's mafia:
On May 19 2013 21:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
I found it weird people were backing off jjd for no good reason/while keeping him in their "scum/would lynch" pile, so, trying to make sense of shit I decided to do a jjd counter!
JJD Counter: Spicy voting him and confusing his name with WoS
solstice defending him
BH saying he would lynch jjd
^DP trying to lynch BH for that
everyone else deflecting on BH
GK saying he would like to lynch jjd, yet votes BH in accordance with ^
JJD COUNTER DISCONTINUED BECAUSE GK CLAIMED SCUM GG
##Unvote
##Vote Goodkarma
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All that second post proves is that he was closely following thread sentiment.
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Shrug. It looks natural to me. Anyways, I'm not here to defend Dandel, he can fend for himself.
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On May 20 2013 22:18 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 12:46 Stutters695 wrote:
Someone asked for my thoughts on Dandel so now that I've got a break at work this is what I'm seeing:
Trolling at the start isn't really indicative (iirc he did this in MtG2 but his hydra partner (iamp) was so clearly town it didn't matter much). Not 100% on that but I'm pretty sure that's how it went down d1. I can check that in the morning before day post.
That post against Marv about his trolling felt town at first glance, but when I think of it in retrospect it really is the most obvious thing to say, town or scum. I'm still leaning really slightly town on it simply because he's going up against Marv d1, which if he's scum is probably a poor move because Marv always has a really strong thread presence.
He ignores Iamp's questions and only responds to Marv, but according to him he was only on p10. If that's true, null.
His post on my meta I actually kinda liked for its honesty. Like he said, if you wanted to make me seem lynchable point out a good town game and compare it to that.
My issue here, and its fairly major, is if he's aware of that and that my overall meta is like I'm playing, why was he trying to lynch me? If he wasn't(way more likely) then he had done nothing through this point.
Next post: he actually has some stances although they're town reads. Sheeps the case on JJD, which he had already claimed he was a fan of, but his case on GK is what worries me here. Being the subject of GKs post, I actually felt he raised valid points since he didn't get my joke/it wad ambiguous that I was joking to DP while also correcting that I have no scum meta. I wouldn't have described that as a serious misrepresentation of my post, just a misunderstanding (I am still interested in lynching GK but nothing to do with that post).
To this point, he's still barely taken a stance and arguably did the same type of misrepresentation he's accusing GK of.
Next thing that seemed really odd was his post about Sputnik possibly using a really similar opening to his own in an off-site game. Not conclusive at all, but it makes me wonder why he would bring that up unless he knew something about Sputniks alignment considering he was playing near textbook scum and didn't ever actually push his lynch.
Moving forward he asks questions but still avoids taking real stances. Even his vote on GK is off of a "slip" and not his overall scummy play. I need to get this post out quick so basically I think he's a strong scum possibility but there are others who I'd prefer because I know if he is town he can bring much more and there are people I think are more likely. i didnt play in mtg..... and who are the "others" you think dear
Haha, sorry. I've got a terrible memory with names.
Unrelated, but seeing you say dear really made me think you were Marv before I scrolled up and saw your name.
I'm going to be typing up another post of that nature soon but without having filtered recently I'm really thinking JJD/GK as my top choices. I need to check BH too, but where I'm skeptical is of this being a scumslip. If he was scum I would expect him to be more calculating.
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On May 21 2013 02:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 01:55 yamato77 wrote:
I mean, if Dandel were town, wouldn't you expect him to be playing differently? Doesn't Dandel usually have strong opinions as town? I'm not saying he never sheeps, but doesn't it seems off to you that he's been playing "follow the Marv" the whole game? Do you think he's been playing "follow the marv"? He had GK as a scumread when I never did, and I had vague suspicions of JJD, but his were significantly more explained than mine ever were (which were general meta activity). How did Dandel make his scumreads in British 2? I would say he's explained his scumreads here quite a bit more than he did there.
Read his GK scumread/my post on Dandel. What is he actually justifying it on? I'll have to check British 2, but he hasn't been explaining his scumreads very well at all.
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If I get shot, there are only a few things I want town to think about tomorrow.
1) Don't just auto-default to lynching BH because of the "scumslip". Whether he is actually mafia or not, this is terrible play. I'm not saying don't lynch him, just don't lynch him and do nothing else. If you do lynch him and he flips red, but not mason, immediately lynch Marv. This should go without saying.
2) Don't sleep on the "towniest" players this game. If one of Marv/DP suddenly becomes less interested in this game later on and we've mislynched consecutively, strongly reconsider your reads. They are more than capable of appearing active and pro-town as mafia. I feel its unlikely that either is mafia, but the possibility exists.
3) Pressure low-activity and low-involvement players like Dandel Ion until they contribute, or flat out lynch them. Sometimes, the best places to find mafia is among the low-hanging fruit. Don't just bandwagon on active players and cannibalize yourselves. Anyone you have a null read on, you need to be pressing for information. Try to make conclusions about their alignment.
4) Consider my reads when you're forming yours for day 2. Notably, I think that Dandel and GoodKarma are people to look at tomorrow. I've outlined Dandel already, so I'll explain my read on GK. While he explained his suspicions well, it's somewhat difficult to discern GK's true alignment. He seems to be sharply following thread sentiment. I can't reason which of his games he looks more like this game. Solstice made what I feel is a valid point in that he does seem to be continually defending his position, which is in line with my overview of his scum meta.
5) Try not to lose this game for me, please. I hate losing.
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I suggest the possible medic should consider protecting yamato.
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any medic should be protecting marv and not even think about
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even if said medic thinks marv could be scum. jail him heal him whatever
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The problem is if marv is scum nobody has balls to lynch him other than me & yamato.
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On May 21 2013 03:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The problem is if marv is scum nobody has balls to lynch him other than me & yamato.
I have the balls but he's not scum
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On May 21 2013 03:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The problem is if marv is scum nobody has balls to lynch him other than me & yamato.
cool story
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anything you guys would like to know incase I die for some reason? im around
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On May 21 2013 03:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The problem is if marv is scum nobody has balls to lynch him other than me & yamato.
yes, this is a very silly post.
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