Doctor Who Mafia

On May 15 2013 07:12 Blazinghand wrote:
our goal should be to get close to each other and shine flashlights to identify angels, right? I'm assuming vigi and DT powers work like angel feeding-- that is to say, reliant on the board to operate

On May 15 2013 07:19 marvellosity wrote:
What about the idea of 6 pairs of 2, all as far away from each other on the board as possible? Angels need to feed multiple times, so keeping people apart from each other, but in a fashion where everyone can identify whether someone else is town or not........

.... ok that thought process stopped, mafia in groups of 2 can fakeclaim. Maybe 4 groups of 3?

On May 15 2013 07:22 Blazinghand wrote:


yeah i'm pretty sure you can't really shine at angels from a safe distance. maybe this is just me but it seems like our flashlights have pretty short range.

in terms of angels feeding on people, I'm fairly sure they're just gonna run up to us and start doing it anyways. If we all like delta split then it's possible if the angels are all in one place it'll slow them down a bit, but I don't think this is a good way of doing things, especially with the angles controlling fake players.

I guess it really depends on how fast angels move. If they are slow (2 or 3 move) then we should split up to slow down the feeding process. i suspect, (and this would make sense from a balance perspective too), that they are fast and we'll suffer from one feed per night basically regardless unless our various PRs can do their thing. our flashlights and vision are short range. I bet PRs work the same way. apart, we are weak, but together, we are strong.

On May 15 2013 11:44 Sharrant wrote:

2. I believe there's a bit of a misconception about mechanics floating around, at least that was my impression reading the thread.

I believe the angels have both an Angel "piece" and a human "piece" on the board. It strikes me that the human piece will still look human in the beam of a flashlight, only the Angel piece will be revealed. Thus looking at people is not enough to confirm them. (From this point on I'm going to use Town for the human pieces controlled by town, Angel for the Angel piece controlled by a mafia, SAngel for the angel statues on the board, and puppet for the human piece controlled by the Angels). When you do look at a player piece on the board, there's a 1/4 chance that you do cost the Angels 1 movement speed by looking at their puppet. Any actions on or against a puppet do count against Angels, so I believe viewing their puppets slows down the Angels as well.

On May 15 2013 12:05 Oatsmaster wrote:

well I guess.
But if we know who is who, again, how does this help town?

On May 15 2013 13:06 fferyllt wrote:

agree.

On May 15 2013 22:13 Oatsmaster wrote:

why repeat what everyone has said already?

On May 15 2013 22:33 Oatsmaster wrote:

It was clarified.
What?

The plan was to claim which direction you were going and facing and squares traveled BEFORE you made that whole long explanation for what seems to be no reason. That said, it wasnt laid out in 1 post, but I got the message thing.

On May 15 2013 12:02 Zephirdd wrote:


"hey guys I'm moving three steps to the left"
-> 4 pieces move 3 steps to the left

Well, that isn't informative at all.

On May 15 2013 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote:

Dude. The above quote is referring to someone claiming before deadline and scum copying their move. Nothing to do with claiming unspecific information.

On May 15 2013 23:02 Oatsmaster wrote:

Too much setup talk, not enough realtalk.
Who you wanna lynch?

On May 15 2013 23:30 Oatsmaster wrote:

You know, I tried that 'marv is too nice' tell before. yeah its not accurate Same with the leader thing.

On May 15 2013 23:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Being relatively new (to TL) and overeager. I don't know about his mafiascum history so I can't say how many games he's played or whether the TL and MS atmospheres are different enough to alter one's gameplay.

On May 15 2013 23:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Being relatively new (to TL) and overeager. I don't know about his mafiascum history so I can't say how many games he's played or whether the TL and MS atmospheres are different enough to alter one's gameplay.

On May 15 2013 23:53 deconduo wrote:
Hmm, what I would probably aim to do, given the setup, is to try and gather 2 groups together. The ABCFJ block is quite nice, and positioned well. If they head for the top left corner (assuming there's no angels in the way) and try and set up defensively there.

The rest are scattered around a bit more, but its still salvagable if they aim to head towards the bottom edge, probably close to where E is right now. G is the most isolated of everyone and is a good bet for being the first angel-food unless he has high movespeed.

Identifying who we all are is definitely a priority. I would argue that rather than waiting until the deadline to announce our moves, we should all come up with 12 unique moves and assign them to each player. This avoids any chance of scum doubling up on moves.

On May 15 2013 23:59 Zephirdd wrote:


Some letters are puppets, the actual scum are hidden(the ones who can eat us)

This game will take place on a 25 X 25 square Board. Each player will begin on some place on the board. You will not know which icon on the board corresponds with which player in the game. The Angels can see everything and know which player is which.

On May 16 2013 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote:

No sheeping >

All anyone has done is talk about the setup. Its annoying and both scum and town can do it = wasted half of day 1. CONGRATULATIONS guys.

Ok lets talk about Phagga.

What has he done this game you ask?
Talk about setup. What does he talk about?
The movement of the pieces. There is one interesting thing though. Before he went to sleep, Phagga was in favor of picking directions for each of the alphabets. After he woke up, he changed his mind off of nothing and said that we should just claim right before day breaks. Well. Phagga, what made you change your mind?

On May 16 2013 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote:Also about fferlyt or whatever, why purposely point out him for 'not doing anything' when there are at least like 4-5 in the same boat as him? What is specifically more scummy about fferlyt and not these other people phagga?

On May 15 2013 23:33 phagga wrote:


Hmm, we'll see. What about you, who would you like to lynch currently? Same question to marv.

On May 16 2013 00:14 deconduo wrote:


The OP says



The way I interpret this is as follows:

There are 9 players, 3 puppets, 3 angels and ? statues on the board. The players and puppets are shown, the angels and statues are not. It doesn't really make sense any other way.

On May 15 2013 06:51 Vivax wrote:
You also have to factor in that multiple players could have the same MS.
In the OP there's no mentioning of the angel's knowledge about other player's movement speed, cause if they don't know it, it might not be the smartest idea to claim it.

Do Angels know the players' movement speeds?

On May 16 2013 03:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


But wouldn't mkfuba have to actively respond to the PM to participate in the game? I wouldn't say lynch him outright, but I'm a little suspicious. Let's see how the day goes though.

My only red leaning read at this point is Vivax, whose filter after game start seems to be weak counterarguments to a fairly solid plan. His last post (the big one) also references the fact that with everyone moving at max speed, it would be easier to discern who is who. After explicitly saying that by learning this, Angels can figure out who is dangerous and vulnerable. I feel as if he is looking for this information for this reason.

##Vote: Vivax

On May 16 2013 05:46 Zephirdd wrote:
I can see where ghost comes from the whole "lynch marv past day 3" just because marv is usually a target for normal KP more than any other player.

I am willing to believe ghost just didnt have the chance to scumhunt. Both of his posts were close together and at a time where nobody was saying anything but setup stuff. It is as weird as fferlerl;yret posts; So I want to see what he has to say tonight.

I also want to stop jumping happily into voting people like I did to vivax. lol.
i also totally forgot about the vote thread

On May 16 2013 05:53 Zephirdd wrote:


because that's similar to other ghost posts from games months ago. I don't know if he changed, but I do remember that he is limited in time for posting.

On May 15 2013 11:44 Sharrant wrote:
Hey, guys, just got home. Bunch of random things in no particular order:

1. My activity's going to suck for a bit. I'll have about 2 hours tomorrow where I'm on the bus (potentially up to 4), I can't guarantee I'll post during that time because I hate phone posting, but I'll at least be giving the game some thought. I won't be back until about 10 PM EST, and I work the day after at 3 PM, so that's when you're going to get the most activity out of me.

On May 16 2013 06:28 Vivax wrote:
I would also lynch Oats. All he's done so far is troll, being disruptive and ask stupid questions. I've seen him do that as town last time but I don't care. This isn't a game with grushes and kushes and if he wants to be the one guy playing that role, then I'll gladly policy-kick him out of the game.

His defense of Sentinel doesn't make any sense.
He complains about setup talk when this is essentially a team board game.

No WIFOM mindfucks, lynch people playing for scum. Unless he starts contributing meaningfully, he's up for the gallows.

On May 16 2013 19:29 Oatsmaster wrote:

yes.
13 pages. And he has no reads. Like where is the town motivation for posting this post? It does not help town at all. At all.
So he says he has reads. But oh man I dont really wanna share them cause they are MINE, MINE!!!!!!. Also he overexplains his acceptance of the obviously great plan.

On May 16 2013 00:25 Oatsmaster wrote:

cause thats how I roll.

Also read above.

I dont like how its quite far into the game and dudes are still discussing plans.
Also you. Why did you say that you didnt like mechanics, but still didnt scumhunt?

On May 16 2013 19:58 Vivax wrote:
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Two questions:

- What's your read on Oats
- What do you think of Sentinel's latest posting?

On May 16 2013 02:33 fferyllt wrote:

I've given two reads so far. I'm reading all the gridboard strategy and tactics discussion but aside from deciding what I will do night 1, I probably won't contribute much until we have some data to go with the theory.

I still think you are town. Phagga appears a little followy re your scum read on me. I don't have the meta to say whether that is typical of his game, but it pushes him a little below null in my subjective list.

marvelousity's reactions to FoSes looks townish, but once again I lack the meta to make that a solid town read. he's on the town side of null atm.

Sentinel's pretty far south of null. I have a strong allergy to being WK'd by someone who knows zip about my game when the objective data says "not townish".

deconduo hasn't made an impression either way yet.

On May 16 2013 20:09 marvellosity wrote:
BH, you backing off the idea of Sentinel mafia and preferring Vivax? I'm still struggling to get over that early fferyltt thing to be honest.

On May 16 2013 21:01 Vivax wrote:
@ Phagga

I feel he was needlessly antagonistic, and he didn't seem interested in setup discussion. He is more cooperative now though.

On May 16 2013 21:29 marvellosity wrote:


I mean Sentinel's extremely odd posting towards ferry's opening post, the 'over-eager' and 'honest mistake' stuff. It's just SO weird.

And I'm calling him ferry or something from now on, fuck writing that username out.



I'm still ok with my vote on ghost for now, but I'm not very sure about it. There's like a whole load of outstanding situations that require people to post more really.

On May 16 2013 21:53 Vivax wrote:
We mustn't forget to talk about our moves though. Finding a good lynch target is fine, but not having the angels feed on us is possibly a higher priority than that. This game is won on the board for them.

I'm currently looking at B and J and they are close to each other, they are basically already in a pair, any idea on how they should move ideally?

On May 16 2013 21:59 marvellosity wrote:
is that a scumslip?

On May 16 2013 22:09 Vivax wrote:
Marv, you're starting to piss me off. Think about a good strategy instead of talking about "scumslips".

For example, the majority of players is on the left, if you want to reach the sides of the board, what would you do? You would let everyone move left, cause if everyone moves right, logically the majority would reach a position in the middle.

On May 16 2013 22:19 Vivax wrote:
I've got stuff to study for the next few hours, I'll have a look into the thread from time to time.

On May 16 2013 22:48 Vivax wrote:
I missed crossfire's post about how movement works. I was still stuck into thinking you pick a cardinal direction and have to move into just one direction.

On May 17 2013 00:14 Sharrant wrote:
Hey, guys.

Glad to see people moved off of lynching Oatsmaster. I can't say I have him as a distinct town read, but the last game I played with him be played virtually identical to this as town, and was lynched day one. That said, if he continues this into day two, I'll want to lynch him.

On May 17 2013 00:14 Sharrant wrote:
Vivax:
Honestly, the thing that sticks out to me the most about Vivax is his willingness to lynch Oats despite the first hand knowledge he has of Oats doing this as town last game. On the one hand, I could see a townie frustrated with how the game went last time because of Oats, and wanting to punish that behaviour in town while still giving himself a 1/4 chance to hit scum. Or I could see mafia going for what he thinks is an easy mislynch, like last game.

The second most important thing in his filter, is the mention of B and J. When under the assumption he later mentioned, that players moved via cardinal direction, this was something I had thought of as well. I had tried my hand at creating a movement pattern that would put as many people in the optimal position as possible. I could never figure one out because of the spread of the board.

On May 17 2013 00:14 Sharrant wrote:
My problem with a Vivax lynch right now is that I don't think he's lying about believing the game operated with cardinal directions. If he earnestly believed that, I don't think his post is scummy at all. I think it might be a bit counter productive, but not scummy. Now if he's lying, then absolutely he's scum and he got caught trying to fish for player movements.

So I ask everyone, do you think he's lying about his knowledge of the movement scheme. If you do, what is it that makes you think he's lying? Convince me that he is, and I'll happily vote him.

On May 17 2013 00:14 Sharrant wrote:
Sentinel:
Sentinel is where my vote would feel safest. His filter just seems off, but not in the "paranoia/jumping at shadows" way that a town player can feel off. He spent so much time defending himself about his weird read early on, but people were asking him questions about it, so he gets a little bit of a pass on that part. The biggest thing that reads as scum in his filter to me, is his dropping of Vivax as a suspect just when everyone else was warming up to his lynch.

On May 17 2013 00:14 Sharrant wrote:

Vivax, what do you think about keeping Oats alive for today, and lynching him if his play does not improve over the next cycle?

On May 17 2013 00:58 marvellosity wrote:
phagga, you are verily my Iago.

On May 17 2013 00:58 Sharrant wrote:


Let's nip this in the bud then.

Vivax isn't a mafia suspect for me at this point. I do not see in his filter the same things that in the last two games have given me instant strong town reads on him, but their absence is not reason for me to believe he is scum. His thought process about the player movement is something that I had thought of as well, the difference though is his seems more specific to a subset of players. I do not, at this time, have reason to believe Vivax is scum. He is a light town read, the only thing holding him back from being a stronger town read is that his plan focused on the subset of B and J, when it should be applied to everyone.

The reason I mentioned Sentinel having defended himself to other people's questions is because I am not sure if I'm reaching on this one. His weird defence of fferyllt does not look like it comes from a townie, it looks like it came from scum. If his defense had been unprompted by questions, I'd be sure he was scum. As it is, I don't really know how I feel about his defense. It was driven by other peoples questions, but he seemed to be content JUST defending himself, rather than answering the questions and pushing a town objective at the same time.

I'm not insinuating that Ghost is scum, whether that is how it reads to you or not. I am hoping to have a discussion with him because I do know that we think similarly, but we have had very different experiences with Vivax after the last game we both played with him. I want to be able to determine if we can get on the same page this game, and if we can't whether it's because of differing experiences with the player base or set up, or whether it's because we're of differing alignments.

On May 17 2013 01:07 marvellosity wrote:
Sharrant, Sentinel voted for Vivax, ghost voted for Vivax, Sentinel unvoted Vivax. That's the timeline as I see it.

Are you seriously suggesting a mafia Sentinel unvoted a player because one other player voted for him?

On May 17 2013 01:12 Sharrant wrote:


Zepphird also voted for him in that time frame. After seeing Vivax get two quick votes from people that sounded like they were ready to pursue him about it, yes I could see him unvoting and just trying to ride out the day. There were 3 votes on him all within 1 or 2 pages, it certainly looked to me, when I was reading through everything, that votes were going to pile up on Vivax from that point on.

On May 17 2013 02:49 Vivax wrote:
As for deconduo, you call his post to be drop and run, when you don't know his schedule, and part of it is his setup talk.
I am not a fan of incriminating people based on the setup talk, rather for shutting it down, and even a bad idea is only as influential as the number of people following it. Proposing ideas with the potential to look so bad reads to me as unafraid, actually, people jumping at bad ideas screaming bloody murder read as scum.

I disagree with his read on ghost though. His point is that ghost is scum for saying mechanics are useless and then discussing them nontheless. Scum doesn't want to post extra much without reason. There was intrinsic motivation for ghost to discuss mechanics even after announcing it wouldn't be the best idea, that means he's likely town, unless he's some master at self-representation.

On May 16 2013 21:16 Vivax wrote:


Oats cause he played like scum, and I wouldn't regret the loss if he's town. Frankly I don't understand how you can give him a townread just like that, I would like you to expand on it, and also your opinion on BH quickly abandoning the Oats option and then claiming towards me to have laid out reasoning for Oats being town, when he has only sheeped your reasoning IIRC.

As for others, I'll wait for the return of Sentinel and Ghost to comment on the situation.
Sharrant if he doesn't post more. He's usually very lengthy and insightful as town.

On May 17 2013 02:30 Vivax wrote:


Why do you want to lynch Sharrant.
You said this earlier.
He now has made more posts, there is no updated reasoning from your side, you're just looking for something easy to lynch.

On May 16 2013 19:58 Vivax wrote:


That post is so bad that I could see it coming from a townie, actually. I'd rather expect him to do some forced bullshit push, or jump on the bandwagon against me at this point, not apologize and admit that he's got nothing to contribute.

On May 18 2013 00:29 fferyllt wrote:


The host wifom has made me leery of the Oatsmaster wagon. I think your paragraph 2 makes sense, though.

On May 16 2013 10:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Time for some thoughts on Ghost's recent post.



I find a bunch of problems with this alone. Being alone while scumhunting makes my mafiadick hard. It means I can focus on what's already present in the thread with a clear mind, without having to worry about changing conditions. A lot of my reasoning goes out the window when the thread updates. I don't know why you'd have a problem with it and resort to lurking.




Explain me why you vote for Vivax and not myself. That's a shitty vote to throw around.

Game plan for myself is to organize my thoughts because that's what I'm lacking right now. I'm going to draft up another spreadsheet to consolidate my reads tomorrow and then start making calls from that.

On May 18 2013 00:56 fferyllt wrote:

I'm talking about the questions swirling over whether the host would accept and process a messed up move depending on the alignment of the player, and the fact that at least some of the votes on that wagon appear to be predicated on an answer of "yes, they would if the player were an Angel".

On May 18 2013 00:25 fferyllt wrote:

Your observation about me looks like bullshit.

On May 17 2013 02:02 fferyllt wrote:
I'm seriously considering sheeping you, marvellosity. Want to reread some thread sections first, though.

On May 18 2013 03:20 fferyllt wrote:


Gut says Ghost is the most questionable on the Oats wagon. I need to find time to figure out what my gut is worried about. Zeph freaked my out when he said my sole day 2 post (pretty sure it was one post at that point, where I said which letter I think is mine) looked better than my day 1 body of work.

I want to dig some more before answering your last questions. Probably in an hour or so.

On May 19 2013 04:18 deconduo wrote:
Also oats coming in and 'voting', then disappearing without registering a legitimate vote is suspicious as hell if ffer flips scum.

On May 18 2013 19:41 Blazinghand wrote:
mfkuba though I don't like, but I think he's legit for mainly for this post (link) in which he begins the post talking about lynching vivax, then notes that there's a deconduo mass-swap going on and swaps to deconduo to avoid no-lynching. When he sees we're swapping back to vivax, he goes back to avoid a no-lynch. I think the fact that he was planning to write a case against vivax then got caught up in the voteswapping is a sign of a town motive. F

On May 17 2013 11:01 Oatsmaster wrote:

I sent my PM,
'move 3 steps up and look up.'
I wanted to move here.

On May 17 2013 11:12 Zephirdd wrote:
okay that does NOT make any sense.
here is why:


The way this works is that we had to chose our directions without knowing where we would go. If we could just say "look up" then there is no point in not allowing "look north". What B did was Look right and move three steps forward.

What I think happened is simple. You asked to go up, and the hosts allowed it no problem because you already had prior knowledge of your own handle.

In other words, you just slipped hard. So, unless for some reason you have a role that gives you knowledge of your handle on day 01, I say you are an angel. Simple as that.

Vivax tunnel-vision on you day 1? That's about as standard of a scum bus as possible, ESPECIALLY when a lot of people in the thread had already voiced that you were acting as an annoying/abrasive townie.

##Vote Oatsmaster

On May 17 2013 19:37 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Hm... odd that Vivax would bus Oats out of the blue like that, but I guess if it weren't for the scumslip Oats would be pretty much above the level of suspicion.

##Vote: Oatsmaster

On May 17 2013 06:19 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I sent face left, 2 right 1 up. Nobody stood still as far as I see, so it must have gone through (I did it right on the deadline).

I don't think anyone turned left, did they? Which would mean I'm player G.

On May 17 2013 06:19 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I sent face left, 2 right 1 up.

On May 17 2013 06:19 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
1 up

On May 17 2013 11:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Before anything interesting happens with Oats, I'd just like to add as a side-note that I'm not updating the spreadsheet until my next session of analysis. Just in case any of my reads change, it won't be reflected in the May 16 column.

Thank you and good night.

On May 21 2013 06:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


I used relative as well. I turned left, then from that reference frame I moved two right and 1 up. Up being forward.

On May 21 2013 06:25 mkfuba07 wrote:
Dear god, hope you're alright, sentinel! :o

Phagga, why vote sentinel over oats?

On May 21 2013 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Vote: Deconduo
Im town, Phagga is town cause he doesnt fucking play like this as scum in the SLIGHTEST.

On May 21 2013 15:09 Oatsmaster wrote:

AFAIK, you play way more passively and 'quiet'
This feels like nomination, where you posted good shit that helped you to not get lynched? yeah. I think you didnt get lynched

On May 21 2013 18:01 Oatsmaster wrote:

This actually makes a lotta sense.
##Unvote
##Vote: Phagga

I am possibly wrong about the meta thing considering that phagga has never played scum. What I was basing my read off of was the fact that he hasnt been lurky and shit and has been active, but all that stuff isnt really alignment indicative.


Like confirmed townies are absolutely the worst thing for the scumteam near lylo, so why wouldnt they kill deconduo?
So he can confirmed Phagga. ahhhh

On May 19 2013 04:56 Blazinghand wrote:
if I die some last reads

oats scum regardless of ffyt flip

zeph still town


make people talk

I scuttle 5 feet left while looking straight

On May 21 2013 04:29 ghost_403 wrote:
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In general, I get a townie vibe from phagga. He hasn't posted too much, but he shows honest effort in the thread and really tries to figure out what's going on. I'm guessing that his lack of direct contributions to the thread is simply due to his schedule.

And I think Oats is scum.

If dec isn't dead tonight, spend a lot of time looking at him tomorrow. There's something off there.

Not gonna be back before the deadline. In the unlikely event that you guys change your minds, I'm moving 4 left tonight.

{gg gl hf}

On May 19 2013 08:09 Zephirdd wrote:
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phagga has been playing blatantly town this game.

which leaves Sentinel, ghost and mkfuba.

On May 21 2013 03:43 Zephirdd wrote:
Mkfuba is probably town due to the flashlight thing. Many people called me town on day 1 and I was the first target for the blind thing, so it looks like a scum ability. Does not confirm him tho.

If I die, prime targets should be oats and in case ghost is town, sentinel. Oats has been really useless and sentinel is just elimination process imo. Phagga and deconduo are better nk's IMO but deconduo can be wifom'd(hint hint he is town trust him) and phagga has not confirmed himself like I did.

See you all in 4hrs or so if I survive.

On May 21 2013 04:55 deconduo wrote:
I'm pretty much dead tonight, so I'll give a quick summary of my thoughts:

If ghost isn't scum I'll be pretty fucking surprised.

If Zeph isn't town I'll be pretty fucking surprised. Listen to him if you are going to listen to anyone.

I thought oats was scum initially after his scumslip, but why would he be so willing to be checked if he was? Maybe the hosts really did just allow the move for whatever reason. If I die tonight before I get to check him, keep a damn close eye on him. If he moves at all tonight, lynch him tomorrow.

Between phagga, mkfuba and sent, I'm pretty null on all of them. The flashlight thing could be a 3rd party skill (we're still blind as to any 3rd party involvement as of yet) or it could be scum WIFOM.

On May 21 2013 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
who is the second scum phagga?

On May 22 2013 13:28 mkfuba07 wrote:

See, that's my problem when I play mafia. I can't keep everything everyone's said in my head at all times. I can't go through everyone's filters nonstop because it takes me an eternity. It takes me hours to write almost any post because it's like I see literally every possibility, and can't finish a thought without another one second-guessing what I've already written. If I try to play like everyone else (as everyone else seems to play similarly, though with different attitudes and with different skill levels), I'm fluffy and wishy-washy.

So I try to focus on individual actions. It's why I wanted to vote for vivax earlier, and it's why I had more to say about oats's "scumslip". It's why I latched onto phagga's suggestion to check two people, when it gains us literally nothing other than the doubt I find myself in now. The fact that everyone else here (oats excluded, probably) seemed to have had very similar thoughts before the nightpost (oats likely scum, phagga likely town), makes me wonder why the hell no one sees exactly what I do. THERE WAS NO REASON TO CHECK PHAGGA! We all pretty much thought he was town! If I were in phagga's place, even if I considered that I could be checked at the same time, I'd leave it be because THERE WAS NO POINT. Add to that the fact that IF oats is town, and IF phagga is scum, this situation leads to an almost guaranteed win for scum, and the argument seems stronger. We already thought oats was scum. A green check (which decon would provide if it was an oats-only check) on oats would ruin that mislynch. What goes on to secure it? Adding a scum check that can either be attributed to oats or phagga, with obvious results. Keep in mind that this was before you mentioned your case against deconduo. At that moment, if it came simply down to oats vs phagga as scum, you know who you would choose, and I argue that that's what scum was counting on.

##Unvote

Anyway, all of that being said, maybe I was taking deconduo's claim for granted. Do you not feel like fakeclaiming like that would be dangerous as scum at that point in time? Is it not risky to fakeclaim when there's the possibility of you being lynched, when being caught in a fakeclaim will guarantee it? Would you fakeclaim the DT role even though the Doctor would seem like a pretty good DT candidate himself (and you can't use his name, because there's definitely a Doctor out there)? These are some thoughts that keep me believing deconduo, so if you want me to vote for him, convince me I'm wrong.

On May 22 2013 15:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
For me,
I think its mkfuba. I agree that some of his stuff has looked good as I said, but scum have an easy time speculating on stuff so that isnt all alignment indicative I realize. Considering that I have a scumread on Dec, and that he switched between both of them day 1, whoever got lynched would look good for him.
Further more, it seems like he has been following the boat and not rocking it, like all of his reads are in line with town sentiment, and his one outlier, read on phagga, he dropped after it wasnt supported by anyone other than be briefly. Other than that, all ive seen was a few long posts and no bursts of sustained activity I feel.
##Unvote
Vote: mkfuba

On May 22 2013 15:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
phagga, thoughts on plan above and about sent and mkfuba?

On May 22 2013 15:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
OTHER DUDES THOUGHTS PLEASE ABOUT MY PLAN!!!..

Why phagga?

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On May 25 2013 04:52 mkfuba07 wrote:
Phagga's post made me worried that I was right about him yesterday, and that he was preemptively GG'ing as a joke.

Then I remembered that that would mean deconduo was lying, too.

I'm so paranoid around lynch time...

On May 25 2013 06:32 Zephirdd wrote:
Oh.

Wow I would have lost so fucking hard.

gj phagga and mkfuba

On May 25 2013 06:34 Zephirdd wrote:
wait so we SERIOUSLY had 2 scums as lynch targets day 01

and every read of mine was fucked up, even though I found the scumslip.

On May 25 2013 06:54 mkfuba07 wrote:

I loved the game, just hated being wrong in the first game I got to lategame in. Especially because marv was the last scum, and he did naught things to my corpse...

On May 25 2013 07:36 marvellosity wrote:
I'm not sure whether deconduo being mafia makes the last minute panic vote-switching on Day 1 less or more hilarious

On May 25 2013 07:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Fuba gets MVP for saving my sorry ass and being the one whose logic ultimately won us the game. Day 4 when Dec planned to ninjalynch me as well and Day 5 when he pushed the Dec lynch and won us the game.