EPTHe lately popped in to call sloosh dumb or something.
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Vivax
21978 Posts
He lately popped in to call sloosh dumb or something. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Nothing tryhard about that. Nothing really townie either, save the lack of my personal scumtell for him (which I guess Prom also thinks is valid as he's mentioned it too). Which might actually be a strong town-tell given the circumstances: would a scumPrplhz not jump at the opportunity to suggest a policy-lynch of the miller claim? Rather than argue about the validity of claiming as miller? I need to see more from prplhz to get a real, actual read but right now I'm leaning town. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Vivax
21978 Posts
At least try to persuade me of a better lynch when you do that. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On May 13 2013 15:56 Vivax wrote: It's not a matter of scumslip, it's a matter of tone. Rayn is subtly being aggressive towards me in that post when all he would have to say is that he thinks DP could have fakeclaimed with his scum rolename. The "where are you going with your questioning" is one of the things that hit me about him, he is supposed to argue for DP being scum in his position, so he shouldn't have reason to be so neurotic about someone asking him out about it. I read it as scum not feeling comfortable being asked about that, so he quickly stepped on the defensive thinking that I was attacking him with that question. On May 13 2013 16:03 Vivax wrote: It's the difference in mindsets, if he was town with DP as scumread, and someone asked him to give an opinion about DP, his motivation would be to persuade the questioner about his own opinion. If he was scum, his motivation would be to have to explain as little as possible, to avoid talking much about the issue. In that mindset, questions directed towards him doing that would be viewed by him as threat, and as an attack, and that's the way he replied to that question: Acting as if I was doing something suspicious with my questioning. That's cause he felt threatened by it. These posts of yours. You asked me if i thought DP lied about his role name. I found the question stupid, as if he was mafia he could have given his role name and fake it to be a self aware miller's role name. Your follow up on this matter is weird. First you agree with me and later on call me scummy because you asked me a stupid question. I thought DP could be scum, how the hell i am supposed to know if you are/aren't his scumbuddy? When you asked me if i thought DP faked his role name, why should i not confront you about a question i find to be scummy (and i still do, at least now when you are suddenly trying to turn it against me)? Oats is even worse. Oats please re-read what i answered Vivax, because i don't even undesrtand what you are trying to say. You are just twisting my words. I agree with Prome on OO. I also do not like OO's analysis on my playstyle in this game. I can't read OO well and after Red Team Prize i have just mostly ignored him. Here i think he is a good lynch. Shirokami: What's your read on ObviousOne and Oats? OO: Please elaborate on how "town Rayn was much more interrogative and this Rayn is more accusatory"? Oats: Read my filter again and tell me if you stand by this: + Show Spoiler + On May 13 2013 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote: I have no clue what it means  You are saying that DP fakeclaimed right? And rayn is saying that Wall-street investor could be scum.Right. That makes no sense because I assume he thinks that DP's role, Self aware miller could be a scum role. Which it cant cause DUHHHH. So rayn scum slipped kinda. But its not really scummy the way he phrased that. TLDR: Rayn scumslipped. Especially the part "That makes no sense because I assume he thinks that DP's role, Self aware miller could be a scum role.". Are you really this stupid? And for the record i'm working 12hours/day 7 days a week atm, so if i don't find a good lynch due to my work schedule i will sheep Prome, that dude is totally town. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Obvious, point out exactly where I implied that mechanics are more important than behavioral analysis. I haven't made any such statement. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
As far as my comment, it's exactly what it said. You asked a shit load of questions last game as town and it worked very well for a) me seeing that we were having similar thought processes and b) you generated a lot of things to analyze by prodding people. I wasn't seeing that from you so far here but if that's due to a change in your schedule then that potentially changes my expectations of town you in this scenario. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On May 14 2013 02:59 HiroPro wrote: BH, do you actually believe that WaveofShadow is trying to blend in with his posts? Is there a reason that you haven't mentioned players like shirokami or prplhz? Obvious, point out exactly where I implied that mechanics are more important than behavioral analysis. I haven't made any such statement. You want me to show you the spot in my brain where I translated your bullshit? No thx. | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
The thing that keeps bothering me about it is that he didn't treat me as a possible scumread neither during nor after that post, instead he kept answering MY questions without showing reciprocal interest, and he didn't ask me out about my stance on DP, even before I falsely claimed that I was agreeing with Rayn I didn't really agree with you, as you might notice once you read my filter since day start. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
For the record i think WoS is town, won't lynch him today unless he does something really scummy. | ||
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shirokami
Finland107 Posts
between Oats and OO I think: 1. they prolly are not scumbuddies 2. Oats will most likely flip scum than OO watching the dota ti3 qualifiers so im reading all the time between matches. | ||
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shirokami
Finland107 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On May 14 2013 02:59 HiroPro wrote: BH, do you actually believe that WaveofShadow is trying to blend in with his posts? Is there a reason that you haven't mentioned players like shirokami or prplhz? Obvious, point out exactly where I implied that mechanics are more important than behavioral analysis. I haven't made any such statement. Yeah in a sort of clever way I think he is. I'm going to mention something I did in The Game as scum, and before WoS cries "omg thats ur meta not mine" what i'm trying to point out here is that this is a viable scum move, not that WoS in particular has a meta of doing it. In The Game, I rolled scum. During Day 1, I make a scummy move by soft-defending Zarepath. My goal at the time was for him to get lynched, and for me to get town cred for defending him. I wanted to make it clear I was defending him but not actually derail the anti-Zarepath thread sentiment. I made this post to do that. Now, as I wrote the post I realized, "wow I'm pretty transparently scummy in this post, how do I fix that" and added a few lines to it: On March 17 2013 11:35 Blazinghand wrote: "oh bh are you soft defending zarepath" well admittedly yes, this is a soft defense. I don't have a townread on him. But he is playing recklessly and thoughtlessly, much like a poorly-thought-out town play. I can't let that lie. So basically, by straight-up admitting to doing something scummy, I made it appear not scummy for me to do so. I incorporate the natural objection any scumhunter would make to my soft defense into the post itself, naturally defusing that tension. Anyone who wants to say "Whoa, what is BH doing here? Why was he soft-defending zarepath, that's quite unlike him!" has been pre-emptively shut down by the fact that I straight-up admit to doing so. I don't actually give a reason why I do it, I don't actually have a justification or a defense for it-- but by saying "yes, I made this move" nobody can say "ah-ha! you made this move!" Taking a look at WoS's post we immediately see the same defusal of scummy behavior. And AGAIN, I'm not saying "oh this is BH's scum meta therefore WoS is scum", I'm just saying this is a classic scum move, I've used it, and I see it being used. On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote: BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that. I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end. This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo. Imagine he hadn't written that first line for a moment. You can be sure I'd instantly Dunk WoS for writing a post like this, which only reiterates what's already been said (especially by me) and agrees with it. He would be so dunked. In fact, if he had only written his first sentence, but not his second one, it's still almost certain I'd dunk on him. But take a look at his second sentence! Look at the doubt it plants in your heart. It makes him seem open and townie for a moment because it's like "oh, he's blandly sheeping BH but he's not sure what to make of that!" He's stating awareness of that fact, and thereby defusing the arguments against him. How much of my case against WoS seemed weak to you because of that second sentence? Now imagine you are WoS. OR rather, imagine you are in his position but are town instead of scum. You would DEFINITELY have an opinion on the fact that we are in agreement. If absolutely nothing else, if really nothing else at all, you'd try to interact with BH besides blandly sheeping him. You'd draw BH into a conversation and see if you agree on more things. You wouldn't ONLY rehash things BH has already said then be like "I guess we agree, not sure what to make of that" As town you are curious. you want to hunt scum. Simply agreeing with the best player in the game isn't good enough. To those of you out there who agreed with me on my nk analysis-- you didn't just think "herp derp I agree with BH" did you? You wanted more information. You wanted to interact with my thoughts to get a better read on me. You had a townie instinct-- and instinct WoS doesn't have. So, yes WoS was trying to blend in. He even wrote his post in a way that wouldn't spark more discussion with me. I'm just too sexy to be fooled by such things /Dunked | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Look at the amount of times where he calls out a person for inactivity without actually bringing up something specific that he wants to ask them. It looks like someone trying to be seen as promoting discussion without actually doing anything. the last list post where he said three people that would be good lynches looks like a straight fluff post. there's almost nothing in that post that's actually relevant to this game (most of it is just a lazy attempt at "meta") and what little is there isn't even true. He doesn't even say anything about oatsmaster beyond "i'm not sure how to tell if he's mafia. i'll look at his games later". also note the way that obviousone responds to any accusations or suspicion which actually have reasons behind them (not just "oh you scum"). in almost all cases he responds with some irrelevant comment and tries to brush it away. in general this is something that mafia are much more likely to do instead of trying to explain their own actions further. ##Vote ObviousOne | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Day 1 wagons With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch. ObviousOne[L-8]: Promethelax, HiroPro WaveofShadow[L-7]: Blazinghand, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes raynpelikoneet[L-8]: chaoser, slOosh Oatsmaster[L-9]: WaveofShadow Day 1 ends Wednesday, May 15 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) if no majority is reached | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On May 14 2013 03:30 HiroPro wrote: yo, let's lynch obviousone. if you haven't do so go back and look at his views on darthpunk, especially the point where he shifts from calling the claim meaningless to attacking him. Look at the amount of times where he calls out a person for inactivity without actually bringing up something specific that he wants to ask them. It looks like someone trying to be seen as promoting discussion without actually doing anything. the last list post where he said three people that would be good lynches looks like a straight fluff post. there's almost nothing in that post that's actually relevant to this game (most of it is just a lazy attempt at "meta") and what little is there isn't even true. He doesn't even say anything about oatsmaster beyond "i'm not sure how to tell if he's mafia. i'll look at his games later". also note the way that obviousone responds to any accusations or suspicion which actually have reasons behind them (not just "oh you scum"). in almost all cases he responds with some irrelevant comment and tries to brush it away. in general this is something that mafia are much more likely to do instead of trying to explain their own actions further. ##Vote ObviousOne You ready to die after I flip? This is a serious question. You can tunnel me all day but you still haven't done fuck all original and if lynching me is going to be your claim to towniness you might want to start tightening your sphincter. | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
On May 14 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax i was mostly focusing on DP defending himself (his claim) and i was about to get onto other people later. I havn't really read any filters and as said didn't focus on other people. What do you think of Oats and shirokami? For the record i think WoS is town, won't lynch him today unless he does something really scummy. Oats is sloppy. For example he misunderstood the argument I brought up against you, he also made the strange flipflop on WoS, calling him town then voting for him. I'm used to him pulling stuff like this, a look at his filter makes me lean town, but it's early to tell and I don't put much stock into it myself. Shiro has to contribute way more, that would be helpful. Can't reach a conclusion on him yet. You were in the thread for 1:30 h at the time. I kinda found you pretty un-proactive for a Rayn. Please put as much effort in as you can in future, even if you are busy. | ||
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