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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 13 2013 18:42 GMT
#501
Vivax why did you not call out Kita for calling DP scum because of his claim, only me?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 13 2013 18:44 GMT
#502
Oh and i really need all of you to make shiro contribute. I have a long history in mafia with him and i can pretty much tell his alignment no later than N1 if he talks.
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shirokami
Profile Joined April 2013
Finland107 Posts
May 13 2013 18:45 GMT
#503
@rayn
just my feel

@vivax
yeah, I'll try to.
No clue.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22383 Posts
May 13 2013 18:45 GMT
#504
On May 14 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax why did you not call out Kita for calling DP scum because of his claim, only me?


It's not just finding the miller claim scummy, it was your casual and passive "scum or bad" entrance:

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 13 2013 18:30 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 18:24 Promethelax wrote:
As I said, I don't see rayn as totes town or anything silly like that. I just don't think he is most likely scum with how he pressured DP and interacted with him. It seemed like a genuine desire to push DP and not a time waster/look active kind of push.
You think Rayn likely staged his push on DP and followed it up by killing him?


What matters for Rayn is that he had a reason to look like he's contributing. He doesn't need a strong player to stay alive just cause he's pushing him.

I didn't like his entrance in the first place. "DP stupid or scum" and fucks off, I think WoS picked up on that, wanting him to specify, upon which he said "yes, scum"
, then I asked if he truly believes that his role name for miller is fake, and I got back the hostile response which I see as scummy.

I'm used to Rayn being more willingly engaged into conversation than that when he's town, and I wouldn't expect him to look for reasons for being asked out about his scumread, he should be persuading people to vote for it, not trying to avoid the issue.

WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 13 2013 18:46 GMT
#505
On May 14 2013 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 02:59 HiroPro wrote:
BH, do you actually believe that WaveofShadow is trying to blend in with his posts? Is there a reason that you haven't mentioned players like shirokami or prplhz?

Obvious, point out exactly where I implied that mechanics are more important than behavioral analysis. I haven't made any such statement.


Yeah in a sort of clever way I think he is. I'm going to mention something I did in The Game as scum, and before WoS cries "omg thats ur meta not mine" what i'm trying to point out here is that this is a viable scum move, not that WoS in particular has a meta of doing it.

In The Game, I rolled scum. During Day 1, I make a scummy move by soft-defending Zarepath. My goal at the time was for him to get lynched, and for me to get town cred for defending him. I wanted to make it clear I was defending him but not actually derail the anti-Zarepath thread sentiment. I made this post to do that. Now, as I wrote the post I realized, "wow I'm pretty transparently scummy in this post, how do I fix that" and added a few lines to it:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 11:35 Blazinghand wrote:
"oh bh are you soft defending zarepath"

well admittedly yes, this is a soft defense. I don't have a townread on him. But he is playing recklessly and thoughtlessly, much like a poorly-thought-out town play. I can't let that lie.


So basically, by straight-up admitting to doing something scummy, I made it appear not scummy for me to do so. I incorporate the natural objection any scumhunter would make to my soft defense into the post itself, naturally defusing that tension. Anyone who wants to say "Whoa, what is BH doing here? Why was he soft-defending zarepath, that's quite unlike him!" has been pre-emptively shut down by the fact that I straight-up admit to doing so. I don't actually give a reason why I do it, I don't actually have a justification or a defense for it-- but by saying "yes, I made this move" nobody can say "ah-ha! you made this move!"

Taking a look at WoS's post we immediately see the same defusal of scummy behavior. And AGAIN, I'm not saying "oh this is BH's scum meta therefore WoS is scum", I'm just saying this is a classic scum move, I've used it, and I see it being used.

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On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that.

I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end.

This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo.


Imagine he hadn't written that first line for a moment. You can be sure I'd instantly Dunk WoS for writing a post like this, which only reiterates what's already been said (especially by me) and agrees with it. He would be so dunked. In fact, if he had only written his first sentence, but not his second one, it's still almost certain I'd dunk on him. But take a look at his second sentence! Look at the doubt it plants in your heart. It makes him seem open and townie for a moment because it's like "oh, he's blandly sheeping BH but he's not sure what to make of that!" He's stating awareness of that fact, and thereby defusing the arguments against him.

How much of my case against WoS seemed weak to you because of that second sentence? Now imagine you are WoS. OR rather, imagine you are in his position but are town instead of scum. You would DEFINITELY have an opinion on the fact that we are in agreement. If absolutely nothing else, if really nothing else at all, you'd try to interact with BH besides blandly sheeping him. You'd draw BH into a conversation and see if you agree on more things. You wouldn't ONLY rehash things BH has already said then be like "I guess we agree, not sure what to make of that"

As town you are curious. you want to hunt scum. Simply agreeing with the best player in the game isn't good enough. To those of you out there who agreed with me on my nk analysis-- you didn't just think "herp derp I agree with BH" did you? You wanted more information. You wanted to interact with my thoughts to get a better read on me. You had a townie instinct-- and instinct WoS doesn't have.

So, yes WoS was trying to blend in. He even wrote his post in a way that wouldn't spark more discussion with me. I'm just too sexy to be fooled by such things

/Dunked

Dude. Can I grab you a broom or something? Robotic arm? You're reaching so far I don't think you can get there without some external help.

This is the most convoluted explanation to a very simple post I've ever seen. The 'buddying' I explained earlier, but you know the whole second part of the post where I 'buddy' you has nothing to do with you at all, right? It's just me getting my thoughts across for no particular reason.

This does look pretty scummy of you BH, for similar reasons to Oats. You throw a vote on me with very little explanation, and now that you've gotten called out you come up with some fucking crazy convoluted thing with so much 'effort' in it, it HAS to be town, right? Except I know that your scum game revolves around discombobulating the town, whether through spam (which I believe you told RoL you wouldn't rely on anymore or something?) or a post like this which in the end is nothing but a very confusing post with twisted logic amounting to nothing. Which explanation is more believable for my post? Mine or yours?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
May 13 2013 18:50 GMT
#506
dat OMGUS
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 13 2013 18:51 GMT
#507
On May 14 2013 01:45 slOosh wrote:
WoS, could I have your opinion on rayn?

You may, good sir.
My opinion in general of Rayn is that he is a pretty tunnely guy...people call his play good but I honestly never quite see it. He tends to be pretty aggressive and when he's got someone in his sights as town he is very reluctant to let that read go and will post constantly attacking said person.

I haven't seen much of that Rayn this game, though he may be starting to latch onto Vivax as we speak? Not sure. There are things about his play, however that make me think he's town that I am not allowed to mention yet again, sigh. I will go with town for now.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 13 2013 18:51 GMT
#508
On May 14 2013 03:50 Blazinghand wrote:
dat OMGUS

Clearly a scumtell, amirite?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 13 2013 18:53 GMT
#509
Which explanation is more believable for my post? Mine or yours?

Answer my question though, BH. Knowing I have never played scum before at all and knowing what you know about me from past games.

Do you honestly think your analysis of me is correct? Because if you do then you MUST be scum because I know you're better than that.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 13 2013 18:54 GMT
#510
Vivax i genuinely just found the claim stupid and/or scummy and wanted to grill DP for it. I didn't like the fact that he called everyone who said the claim was scummy scum (because it was, look what it did). I however see your point.

I think Oats is far more careful with his posts than he usually is (as town). I don't like that atm. Failing to read or misreading something can happen as scum aswell, i would not put too much (town)value on that. Usually Oats does his own stuff (right or wrong) and stands by his decision until proven wrong, now his read on me is 1) failing to read, and 2) "sheeping" you (as you left the question in the air and Oats picked it up).
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
May 13 2013 18:55 GMT
#511
lol wos so dunker
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 18:56 GMT
#512
b]##vote prplhz[[/b]

going out for a while so putting in my vote before I forget
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 18:56 GMT
#513
##vote:prplhz
I come in for the scraps
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 13 2013 18:58 GMT
#514
Vayne why are you so sure mafia killed DP?
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 13 2013 18:59 GMT
#515
On May 14 2013 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vayne why are you so sure mafia killed DP?


I am not, if you filter me you'll see that I originally thought it was a 3rd party or vig shot, but some one showed me that mafia killing power is hidden and could be two.
I come in for the scraps
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 13 2013 19:01 GMT
#516
On May 14 2013 03:55 Blazinghand wrote:
lol wos so dunker

Cool answer, bro.
I can wait, go discuss with Oats and the rest of the scumteam, k?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 13 2013 19:02 GMT
#517
Yes and after that you seemed to be sure it was mafia hit. Why did you change your point of view suddenly when BH brought up mafia KP?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
May 13 2013 19:02 GMT
#518
you are pretty mad I caught u huh

should have shot me when u hat thebchjqce nublet
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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shirokami
Profile Joined April 2013
Finland107 Posts
May 13 2013 19:03 GMT
#519
all these filler-posts are so stupid and useless.
stop doing those.
No clue.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
May 13 2013 19:05 GMT
#520
On May 14 2013 03:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
##vote:prplhz

##Unvote
##Vote prplhz
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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