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On May 13 2013 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 15:38 Vivax wrote:On May 13 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 04:40 Vivax wrote:
And you think the Wall-street investor thing is made up? And you think Wall-street investor has to be a town role? I don't even know where are you going with your question. What do you guys think of this post as answer? I have no clue what it means  You are saying that DP fakeclaimed right? And rayn is saying that Wall-street investor could be scum.Right. That makes no sense because I assume he thinks that DP's role, Self aware miller could be a scum role. Which it cant cause DUHHHH. So rayn scum slipped kinda. But its not really scummy the way he phrased that. TLDR: Rayn scumslipped.
the way this is treated is nonsensical from a town point of view. if you think you found a scumslip you should go for the throat. like, it doesn't matter that this makes no sense, i've thought things were scumslips before that turned out not to be. but the way it's put across doesn't make any sense from a town point of view. either he's just saying things for the sake of saying them or he's throwing out a "scumslip" to see who bites. do not want.
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On May 13 2013 22:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lets get a wagon rolling
##Vote: WaveofShadow
i mean then there's this
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On May 13 2013 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please. I say we lynch him for this really fucking bad attitude and promises that he is giving. I dont like promises.
and we return to the single worst post in the thread.
so @sloosh's question from above i'll look at the other dudes in a minute but my thoughts on oatsmaster are no gusta.
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On May 13 2013 17:17 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 17:13 Promethelax wrote:
I find it scummy. Do you disagree? If so on what grounds? I find it newbie honestly. Like he is not sure what alignment that makes BH because he has never had the same thoughts as him with BH being scum or town. And since he is newbie, he doesnt know that its a towntell if you agree with someone on a certain issue. So yeah newbie.
This is really stupid Oats. It's way too early in the game for me to be calling BH town simply because I agree with his thoughts regarding scum NK vs possible vigi shot, and a brief piece on what people do while under suspicion. These are both obvious thoughts that any scum are capable of elucidating at any time; I simply found it curious that I was thinking these things at the same time as he was. I guess I'm forever newbie though.
As for BH's vote on me and the start of the wagon that people like you are blindly following, it's shit.
On May 13 2013 18:06 Blazinghand wrote:
lol wut
OK real talk you can't go and say "that's s post s newbie would make" and also be like "also he has been worthless" and also be like "but let's not lynch him'
WoS is no Marvellosity but hes no kushm4sta either. there's a pretty obvious explanation to his post there: blatant attempt to buddy me and hide in the shadow of my analysis. his isn't a post that helps town or hunts scum. he's just trying to blend in. there's an easy solution to that.
##vote WoS
Clearly blending in by fucking around, posting gifs and making Prom mad at me. Hell if anything call me scum for the reasons Prom has, but this is real worthless reasoning. If buddying is an immediate scumtell than we should be lynching a bunch of other players as well; OO comes to mind as well as Prom/Vivax. As far as not being useful yet as I said, that'll come. Oats if you don't like my promises to come in with some analysis then you're going to like who I've decided to analyze even less.
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I've been trying to decide what I think about that claim SnB. The way I figure it though we'll be able to tell what happens because if Oats posts his own vote (which he has done) the vote stealing isn't active. If Oats' vote moves without him posting about it his vote has either been stolen or he has a way to vote through PM.
I think I mentioned this already but Oats' calling the DP shot a vig shot seems like a likely town slip to me. It depends on how many KP scum actually has obviously but it seems very likely that scum have two (or more, this is an Ace game after all) kp in this set up.
Since Chaoser is the only RB claim I'm assuming that Kita JK'd him last night. Interestingly that means that either scum don't have a RB or that RB was stacked on Chaoser. All players who have been roleblocked need to claim obviously but with only one claimed RB I'll assume that was Kita.
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Prom I probably jumped on to quash the bandwagon a little early since I'm not sure BH's post had enough merit on its own to get me mislynched, and you're not pushing me particularly hard. I probably should have waited to see if other people jumped on before I took it down. As it stands I can't conclude anything abot BH's alignment regarding this (BH and you started it, not Kita. Kita simply dropped a little suspicion.). I reserve judgment on your play for now but Oats jumping on when it looked 'safe' to him (after BH dropped a vote) doesn't look good.
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On May 14 2013 01:17 slOosh wrote:
Hey Prom, why would OO as scum give out the NK explanation?
because dumb. It would be bad scum play obviously but I have seen scum players do it in the past when trying to look as if they are contributing/paying attention. It is one of the things scum have the easiest time being involved in.
Something else I noticed about Oats earlier but wasn't sure about so I haven't brought it up yet: he was the one with the plan to make someone fight for their lives day one (a plan I rather liked) and yet he didn't come out with an early vote day one.
SnB, I know I'm pretty bad at this myself as I'm double posting right now but could you please consolidate your posts. For me?
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On May 14 2013 01:16 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 00:48 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 14 2013 00:46 Promethelax wrote:
Great Vayne. So how did they act? There were two night kills what did you learn? Because I have to read you too and you have given me a lot of nothing to work on.
Who did you look into who had weird interactions with kita? Why is that person scum? The post you 'lololol'ed at contains most of your answers :/ as I said my situation was different in the interaction in that I was responding to him directly, whereas prphlz went out of his way to address kita you calling an eighteen page thread huge is hilarious. You'll see. So prp is scum because of the Kita kill, what about people's interactions with DP? Why did his kill not factor into your analysis? WoS: if everyone who has started the wagons on you has been scum are you suggesting kita is scum? (obviously not but I have no idea what you are trying to suggest. Who is scum for pushing you?) prp and SnB, welcome back. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the leading vote owners and another player of your choice. You both know the drill. Reads and reasons.
recall that I played in this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925 so I dont see how its hilarious, I know about big games. You will just never see me as a guy going back looking through the thread, I read it as the thread develops and make my opinions from that and take care not to second guess myself.
As I said I am baffled by the DP kill, I have nothing to comment on that besides my theory that mafia thought he was hiding a PR role behind his claim, but no leads on to who that could make mafia
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ah yes the fabled second longest game on tlmafia. I didn't realize you'd played that game. Sorry, I thought you were newer than you are. I guess I'll have to actually read that game eventually.
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thoughts on waveofshadow:
this post is needlessly aggro, doesn't really make sense given his position.
On May 14 2013 00:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 23:40 Promethelax wrote:
also WoS, I know this might come as a shock but Ace gets away with acting like an asshole by also being 1. hilarious and 2. really damn good at the game. You need to knock it off with your petulance and play the game. If you want to be considered good you have to earn it.
I'm bored with your antics. Scum or town knock it off now. I'm bored with your lessons and you telling me how to play. I haven't had the time to do much game analysis yet but I will. Expect it later. I've said these things before and I'll say them again: I never lie, and I don't respond to threats. If you and everyone else would rather lynch me first then go ahead by all means.
this is a good argument by prome
On May 13 2013 17:09 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that.
I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end.
This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo. If you are town there is exactly one thing to make of this. Stating it like this is much more of a 'look I'm townie too' gesture than a 'interesting we agree on everything, I find you town' post should be. WoS doesn't even develop a read on BH, as town your goal should be to discern everyone's alignment but he is not trying to read bh, just telling him that they share thoughts.
however i'm not sure that i like bh's reason for voting wos
On May 13 2013 18:06 Blazinghand wrote:
lol wut
OK real talk you can't go and say "that's s post s newbie would make" and also be like "also he has been worthless" and also be like "but let's not lynch him'
WoS is no Marvellosity but hes no kushm4sta either. there's a pretty obvious explanation to his post there: blatant attempt to buddy me and hide in the shadow of my analysis. his isn't a post that helps town or hunts scum. he's just trying to blend in. there's an easy solution to that.
##vote WoS
i cant tell whether the bolded part is serious or bh ego-ing as usual. but on the other hand, when people try and buddy bh if he's egoing he usually is all like 'yesssss buddy me you fools'
but i dont really like that bh is all like 'my analysis brings all the boys to the yard' but then doesn't really analisysify other than just being like "yeah prome i vote for that thing"
roundabout way of saying i'm not convinced by bh's reason for voting.
On May 14 2013 00:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
No he's scum for not giving a shit about helping town. He's scum for jokingly claiming scum when called out by a player who has the clout to get him lynched.
The "stank" I'm referring to is a confidence, an inner strength in his posting...a singular point in his favor that is overshadowed by his unwillingness to help town by playing in a transparent and open way.
Plus he claimed scum - it doesn't get much easier than that Oats.
on the other hand i kinda like this better. although maybe i'm being influenced by the fact that oatsmaster didnt like this post. but the argument "he didn't respond to kita except jokingly makes it seem like he knew he could kill kita and not have to worry about his suspicions" and "hes blatantly not trying to help town" are reasons i find way more compelling than "he buddied me in this one post".
overall, looking at his filter it looks pretty bad, but i'm not persuaded much by the reasons people gave for voting him except for VE, and i think oatsmaster's vote was the worst.
like he's not playing like a townie but plenty of townies dont do that. the kita thing is the strongest argument against him imo. i would call him suspicious but im not yet near the voting for him threshold and i think oatsmaster looks worse.
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Wait, what account did you play that game under? I just went through the player list twice and didn't see you. Am I blind or did you switch accounts?
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On May 14 2013 01:28 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 01:16 Promethelax wrote:On May 14 2013 00:48 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 14 2013 00:46 Promethelax wrote:
Great Vayne. So how did they act? There were two night kills what did you learn? Because I have to read you too and you have given me a lot of nothing to work on.
Who did you look into who had weird interactions with kita? Why is that person scum? The post you 'lololol'ed at contains most of your answers :/ as I said my situation was different in the interaction in that I was responding to him directly, whereas prphlz went out of his way to address kita you calling an eighteen page thread huge is hilarious. You'll see. So prp is scum because of the Kita kill, what about people's interactions with DP? Why did his kill not factor into your analysis? WoS: if everyone who has started the wagons on you has been scum are you suggesting kita is scum? (obviously not but I have no idea what you are trying to suggest. Who is scum for pushing you?) prp and SnB, welcome back. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the leading vote owners and another player of your choice. You both know the drill. Reads and reasons. recall that I played in this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925 so I dont see how its hilarious, I know about big games. You will just never see me as a guy going back looking through the thread, I read it as the thread develops and make my opinions from that and take care not to second guess myself. As I said I am baffled by the DP kill, I have nothing to comment on that besides my theory that mafia thought he was hiding a PR role behind his claim, but no leads on to who that could make mafia
Joined TL.net Thursday, 18th of October 2012
PBU or very well-prepared smurf?
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okay back to work laters yo
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On May 14 2013 01:33 Promethelax wrote:
Wait, what account did you play that game under? I just went through the player list twice and didn't see you. Am I blind or did you switch accounts?
right forgot about that. Im Blindalbino on there but I wouldnt look too much into my playstyle there...it was a clue game and my clues were pretty much the most obvious things ever so we had a little game on IRC where I would post ridiculous shit and see how long it took people to notice
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On May 14 2013 01:28 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 01:17 slOosh wrote:
Hey Prom, why would OO as scum give out the NK explanation? because dumb. It would be bad scum play obviously but I have seen scum players do it in the past when trying to look as if they are contributing/paying attention. It is one of the things scum have the easiest time being involved in. Something else I noticed about Oats earlier but wasn't sure about so I haven't brought it up yet: he was the one with the plan to make someone fight for their lives day one (a plan I rather liked) and yet he didn't come out with an early vote day one.
So a "scumslip" sort of?
As for Oats, that was a plan I quite disliked and found him suspicious for. This game is instant majority lynch, whereas (recent) games tend to be deadline majority. By encouraging the idea of using votes to pressure, it urges people to be casual with their votes and allows for more scum manipulation. The vote-steal claim falls into this plan as (depending on how it works) would allow a quick hidden hammer without responsibility.
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Hmmm.I didn't even understand why people were concerned over kita until you explained it, SnB. I just thought people were being dumb and assuming I'm scum just because kita FoSed me and then died. Given your explanation that does make sense. It's wrong, but it makes sense. At least some people are actually thinking about this, unlike Oats who made it his mission to prod me and discuss me with other people to come up with this:
On May 13 2013 17:17 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 17:13 Promethelax wrote:
I find it scummy. Do you disagree? If so on what grounds? I find it newbie honestly. Like he is not sure what alignment that makes BH because he has never had the same thoughts as him with BH being scum or town. And since he is newbie, he doesnt know that its a towntell if you agree with someone on a certain issue. So yeah newbie.
And then votes for me 'just to start a wagon?'
Yeah, no.
##Vote: Oatsmaster
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On May 13 2013 17:27 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 17:23 Promethelax wrote:
So you read it as genuine and think Wos is town? I read it as a kind of post that a townie would make. Not lynching him today. He is being useless though 
LOL he even calls me town AGAIN and doesn't bother suspecting me at all before dropping his vote; THEN after he drops it he starts to bring the heat. How the fuck did people miss this?
On May 13 2013 23:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 23:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 13 2013 16:55 Promethelax wrote:On May 13 2013 16:45 Vivax wrote:On May 13 2013 16:37 Promethelax wrote:On May 13 2013 16:33 Vivax wrote:
Ah I misread the stuff.
Comments on Rayn please? That post by him wasn't the only scummy thing but I don't want to write a complete case, I'm lazy atm. He hadn't popped out to me but I like what you pointed out. I'm going back now to filter him, WoS and OO. I like my vote where it is for the moment but I'll get back to you in a little bit after filter diving. You comment on WoS/OO for me, fair trade? OO I think is town for early activity and cause he doesn't really seem to give a fuck about his image. I put him into that spot pretty early and I have other fish to fry. I'm not sure about WoS, but he never rolled scum and seems pretty cheerful this game. I'd expect him to not be able to not give a fuck so easily in his first game as scum, I wish that he started doing some analysis soon, N0 is over. These two aren't really subject of interest. They are interesting to me. I propose a deal. We treat each other as confirmed town today and bounce reads off each other. You ask me for a read on a player and I ask you for one on a different player. We have a history of tunneling each other and I'd like to see what we can get from working together. Though you might be scum and I'll tunnel you for it later. What do you say? One day of teamwork and we see what happens from there? WoS hasn't felt cheerful to me, his confrontational attitude n0 was really weird. As I said it doesn't match his play in the past at all and he too had a reason to shoot DP and has buddied BH in an odd way which I didn't like. Still in the middle of catching up, but Prom the fact that you're meta-ing me based on what, 2-3 games we've played is laughable. Go check out some of my more recent games if you think I'm still afraid to be confrontational. In any case I like your read on OO as I see it right now, especially considering that I assumed DP was town from his claim right at the start. I'm also impressed by your mentioning of LXI re:Vivax since as you are aware, I am unable to yet. Continuing read. Mayhaps one day I can be included in a list of not-bad players too. buddying every single player huh.
On May 13 2013 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please. I say we lynch him for this really fucking bad attitude and promises that he is giving. I dont like promises.
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WoS, could I have your opinion on rayn?
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Oats do you think WoS is scum or not?
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Rayn, Hiro, Oats all potentially good lynches today
I know Rayn is a smart guy having just played with him. He and I shared some common threads of thought and generally didn't get in each other's way. His N0 here looks a lot like thread sentiment mirroring; town Rayn was much more interrogative and this Rayn is more accusatory.
Hiro dropped the bomb that I smell bad and then disappeared once getting that concept embedded into the thread. Needs to be looked into today. Also, somehow he has the opinion that mechanics are going to help us more than reason (early game, implied not explicitly stated) if we are smart about them. Please expound upon this idea because I don't get how one set of night actions is going to help when half of the players are barely here, including yourself.
Oats I need to read but I am getting a little bit of deja vu going after him so early. Of the two candidates last game, Oats ended up basically making people resent the level of crazy he brings to the game. I'm actually not sure how to detect a scum Oats specifically so I will have to check out his scum games today.
@Prom nothing to tear down about you, very clear to me you are likely town based on this morning.
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