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I'm kinda warming up to a Reyn lynch. Based on the most recent votecount, it seems like scum's votes are fairly diversified and on separate wagons.
Reyn joined a late wagon that had virtually no chance of succeeding, and while I'm trying not to OMGUS, his case really seems like a scum-case.
Firstly, before he posted that case, he expressed strong interest in lynching three other people:
I don't think FT is scummy anymore. I read Hydra 1 and this game VE posts and VE was quite different in that game from what i can tell. Oats is saying the same thing.
I can't be around @ the deadline, i consider NSB / FMB / VIVAX420 the scummiest atm. Vivax only because i can't understand much they are saying. Oats gotta decide who we gonna lynch.
Then after which, the crux of his cherry picks one of jampi's quotes and overplays it a ton:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683¤tpage=42#840
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On April 15 2013 04:10 FiveTouch wrote:There's no real reason that he should gun (geddit) for you in that situation when he could easily make some case or vote on any of the guys he mentioned, don't you think? ~marv
You seem to think it's an "unnecessary" play for scum, but I'm more reading it as he doesn't care who dies.
I'm more interested in the attitude thing though - am I just remembering it wrong, or is what I pointed out about his attitude (brash as scum in newbie, more wishy-washy as town in RTP) true?
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On April 15 2013 04:14 ShotgunBiceps wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 04:10 FiveTouch wrote:There's no real reason that he should gun (geddit) for you in that situation when he could easily make some case or vote on any of the guys he mentioned, don't you think? ~marv You seem to think it's an "unnecessary" play for scum, but I'm more reading it as he doesn't care who dies. I'm more interested in the attitude thing though - am I just remembering it wrong, or is what I pointed out about his attitude (brash as scum in newbie, more wishy-washy as town in RTP) true?
I think his case has merit and if I didn't get feelings of "hapa's posting doesn't feel bad" then I'd agree with it myself. The points are reasonable. And again, I don't know why he'd make a case on you rather than an 'easy' target that he'd already mentioned. What's the point?
I don't remember getting the impression that he was wishy washy in Red Team. Honestly I think he's a terrible lynch today.
~marv
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On April 15 2013 04:17 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 04:14 ShotgunBiceps wrote:On April 15 2013 04:10 FiveTouch wrote:There's no real reason that he should gun (geddit) for you in that situation when he could easily make some case or vote on any of the guys he mentioned, don't you think? ~marv You seem to think it's an "unnecessary" play for scum, but I'm more reading it as he doesn't care who dies. I'm more interested in the attitude thing though - am I just remembering it wrong, or is what I pointed out about his attitude (brash as scum in newbie, more wishy-washy as town in RTP) true? I think his case has merit and if I didn't get feelings of "hapa's posting doesn't feel bad" then I'd agree with it myself. The points are reasonable. And again, I don't know why he'd make a case on you rather than an 'easy' target that he'd already mentioned. What's the point?
The objective would be disassociating yourself from all the main wagons. The most recent vote-count seems like one of those counts where a townie is getting mislynched by all townies, and scum are entirely spread on alternative wagons.
His present vote seems a lot like that. Soft-push all the main wagons in the thread, then plop your vote down somewhere useless.
So yeah I'm starting to have misgivings about FMB. But dammit Prome be all lurky.
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As for the attitude thing, eh you're right. I thought I had remembered him as more brash in his newbie game, but that was a selection from Day 3 of his play.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
well if s&b doesn't turn up in the thread I'm pretty tempted to move my vote to him given he was active in Boardwalk recently.
Me no likey.
~marv
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Votecount:
WaveofCheesecake (1): MockArmor
Raynmaster (1): Vivax420
Vivax420 (1): FondleMyButtocks
ShotgunBiceps (1): Raynmaster
FondleMyButtocks (6): SamuelLJackson, ShotgunBiceps, John Matrix, FiveTouch, InsertSmurfHere, WaveofCheesecake
Modkill Zone (1): NeutralSrvivngBalrog
Please message me if I made a mistake. 6 Votes needed for a lynch. FondleMyButtocks currently set for lynch.
~2 1/2 hours until deadline.
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Jeez where did everyone go. Need comments on Reyn.
As for the SnB thing, I've noticed that too, but it's a tad against the rules to discuss out-of-game activity in this thread.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On April 15 2013 04:38 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Jeez where did everyone go. Need comments on Reyn.
As for the SnB thing, I've noticed that too, but it's a tad against the rules to discuss out-of-game activity in this thread.
Don't see it anywhere in the rules ^^
~marv
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 11:49 MockArmor wrote:@WaveofCheesecake:I believe you said something about "waiting" for me? I'm here, so fire away. Your entire case for MockArmor being scum was for "shifting our read on Hapa from scum to town," or something like that. In reality I made it a point to call out Hapa for what I perceived as buddying with potential scum motive. What caught my eye is as town Hapa must have more justification for his read. The way he thought you were town with such little justification didn't make sense to me from a town persepective. Hapa then satisfactorily justified his townread to me. I had been through the rest of his filter and seen nothing else that was suspicious. So with that clarification, I moved on. Sure an FOS is a flimsier version of an actual vote, but what I was pursuing was one suspicious point. It wasn't enough to vote him for without further investigation. Like what were you expecting? Right after my exchange with Hapa I'd be like, "Before I thought you were totes scum (which wasn't the case), now I think you're totes town (Which isn't the case either. Definitely leaning town on Hapa, but he's nowhere near "confirmed town" to me or anything...). Didn't you criticize my counterpart for the exact same thing?: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:19 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Lol I'm so high. CC420... Anyway, Mocsta, you're making it really black and white; like I thought you were totes scum and now I think you're totes town. So here's a question for you: Would you care to "expound" on this Rayne read of yours? Plenty of time has past and from what I've seen you've still been caught up on your exchange with Mocsta. I understand to some extent "waiting" for people like me, but why even bother posting if you're not going to help contribute meaningfully to discussion? More on that in a little bit... Posting the quote as a reminder: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:43 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 02:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 02:17 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post. The question should not be addressed to Mocsta. Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner.. I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment. Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore. Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer? Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else? /rayn That answer was clearly written by Mocsta. As is this response. What is your point? Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing? What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time. The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional. Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please. Yes, we have reads. To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. + Show Spoiler +
In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.
Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle. Firstly, you have a keen enough eye to pay attention to our posts; yet, are not observant enough to notice that the early pressure on Hapa was solely GK. FYI, I entered the thread roughly 4 hours, caught up; gave my reads to GK. Let me quote him hhaha (cos i was surprised too) "I agree ironically with pretty much everything you've said".
Secondly, you have a very strong choice of words here Wave. "let him off the hook so easily" // "a few hours of lurking"; if I didnt know better, I would think you are calling me scum. Yet, I do not see a vote or a case for the accountability I was talking about earlier. To answer your question; I didnt think a ##FoS was hard pressure; thus enabling "letting off the hook easily".
Thirdly, (to address the crux of your concerns) you present your opinion as if reads are not subject to change. Why is this?I explained why I let Hapa off the hook in short. You still have not explained in detail what the dispute is?
Lastly, "I understand the stance" what does this actually mean? I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread. "I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently. MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff? Thank you for admitting: you are looking purely at the action (FoS). It doesnt matter what you think it "scummy in general'. What matters is whether you think GK motives were scummy. Lets apply some critical thought: Do you think the manner GK maintained dialogue is indicative of someone trying to be non-committal; someone trying not to discern alignment; someone not trying to figure out the game? ------------------------------------------- Secondly, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread. Are you suggesting, because I happen to agree with a 'flow in the thread' that I become scummish in conjuction with an old FoS? Are you suggesting, it is scummy for reads to be re-evaluated? ------------------------------------------- Lastly, I am still waiting for Rayn to reply back. Dialogue onus is currently on him. What do you make of Rayn; since you seem to be carrying his torch. - I do believe he was the one that questioned me originally regarding Hapa, ironically telling me we had voted him; when in fact it was just an FoS. I am suggesting that scum tend to re-evaluate their 'reads' very quickly. Reading your filter it seemed like 'shit, Hapa totes suspicious", then a post or two later was 'nah, Hapa probs town". I think you've cleared it up nicely, however. In terms of Raynmaster, he seems to jump on things really quickly. In your discourse with him (fuck, did I just use the word discourse?) I believe he came off scummier. Will expound in time. -GK On April 14 2013 12:14 MockArmor wrote:So some of the posts that have stuck out for me, as previously promised.: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:54 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 04:52 FondleMyButtocks wrote:On April 14 2013 02:41 SamuelLJackson wrote:FondleMyButtocks looks suspicious. His bigger posts look constructed rather than free flowing and he isn't doing anything with his few other posts. Going after Vivax/kush hydra is fine, but his reasons look forced to me. On April 13 2013 21:16 FondleMyButtocks wrote:On April 13 2013 08:40 VIVAX420 wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote MockArmor
Almost forgot that the guy found joining the pre-game banter funny but when the game started he didn't feel that much like joking. Must be discussing stuff elsewhere! the soft calling of someone as scum through the idea of 'posting somewhere else' of course they are posting somewhere else. I got a qt in my role pm. You got a qt too. We all did, its a hydra game! Stupid way to phrase this, it feels like over justification. It's not "soft calling" when you throw your vote down and stupid does not equal mafia. It was a short, semi serious early game vote post with only one justification. Not at all an "over justification", there was only one reason for the vote. His other reasons for finding vivax420 suspicious look similarly manufactured. The way he words his case and frames vivax420's posts overall does not feel genuine and open-minded (e.g. "supposed to be 420's concise thoughts", "even gives us a lynchable list"). The random comment about wanting to "almost" lynch GK for tradition's sake also looks like kind of fluff mafia likes to add to their post. Phagga are you going to write that mockarmor case? Nope, not gonna write it. At the time when i said that to prom it was about how I felt that GKs posts were constructed, and missing pretty much the free flow that you also accuse prom of lacking. However, after rereading his filter in CT I was reminded that this just seems to be the way he posts. Also, Mocsta has since then added a lot to their filter, and I don't see how their behaviour is pushing a scum agenda. reading up on some filters, will post more in the next hour. Also, I wonder where NeutralSrvivingBalrog is. I'll reread some stuff and I'll be back with a few thoughts in the next hour. What is a scum agenda before the 24h mark of a game? I've never been scum so I'm not really sure. Can anyone enlighten me? Comments like this. Like maybe in a normal mafia game where no one can communicate with each other could I see this, but in a hydra game where you have a buddy to tell you this shit there's NO EXCUSE for shitting up the thread with this. You then go on to post even more meaningless crap that isn't scumhunting.: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 10:48 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 10:46 kushm4sta wrote:
WOW no you are going to continue to push MA? please please don't. Your back and forth shit up the thread so bad today. Do you realize how unpleasant it is trying to read through that? lol I will do whatever the fuck I want. Besides the shitting up the thread part is usually on Mocsta's head, not mine. I want GK. Do you realize how scummy it sounds when you ask me to not to pressure my scumread? Hi there. I'm WaveofCheesecake. Oh darn my scumread's not here. Need to keep waiting for him instead of expounding on Rayne who I've conveniently forgotten... THERE'S NO SCUMHUNTING HERE. This was actually done twice in quick succession. Only like a few minutes prior.: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 10:43 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 07:08 VIVAX420 wrote:
ger use smurf!
but I like how you pointed out that pushing a mislynch on hapa line. that is a scumslip imo. lolwut? First of all that 'scumslip' was CC, not me. Second of all, wut? Third of all, oh boy, I get to look forward to Geript's shit scum reads on me all game long again that are based on absolutely nothing JUST for a change of pace from like, every other game I've been in with him. Does Yamato know you voted me? Trust me geript, my heart is in it as much as it can be right now. GK isn't back so there's nothing for me to continue to push atm but I will. Good to see you've put a lot of effort into your read on me though. Like, you know, maybe pursue Rayne or some of those other scumreads you must have while you wait? You're doing a darn good job of remaining active in thread while not contributing much of anything except maybe a few points here and there in your own defense... Instead, let's make more pointless posts.: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 11:03 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 11:02 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Kush does look the townier of the two in this exchange, however.
WoC, why should we NOT lynch you? Because we're town, obvs. O rly? Clearly you're town. Because you're like SO acting like it... If you plan on convincing us you're town you'd better start actually pushing cases and scumreads. Instead of shitting up thread and "waiting" on people, be it your partner or a scumread. There's three scum right now, and you should have no problem posting stuff without first consulting your partner, so there's like zero reason why as town you should feel compelled to behave as you guys are right now.
Both of these strike me as needlessly aggressive defenses. What I mean is that they're both putting a lot of effort into defending themselves without doing the corresponding amount of effort scumhunting.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 14:14 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
I don't have the time for this now; if I feel it's appropriate I will post the meta case I have on Mocsta tomorrow. I can't be drawin into a million-hour discussion with Mocsta atm; I have too much work to do. The whole point of CC's discussion with Mocsta (for me) was to keep him talking so I could find out more. I don't care what the rest of town thinks about that conversation; the two of us know what we're doing.
And where the fuck are you getting that I have to check everything through with CC? All I said was I don't know why he finds Rayn scummy because we never discussed it.
Actually fuck it, I'll post the short form without proof atm; that'll have to be enough for now. If my meta reads are still shit then they're shit but that's why I wanted to hear more from GK---I'm not 100% cemented on my scumread/meta read and I was hoping GK could confirm in for me one way or another, which it hasn't.
In short, two things. At the time of be making my meta case, Mocsta had already posted a ton without calling anyone scummy; just making careful posts and not giving a solid read on anyone. This is indicative of his early game scum play from both NMM 37 and Hydra I. As town he throws out reads left and right constantly and ACTUALLY MAKES CASES to follow up with his reads and endless lines of questioning, which he hasn't done here. He votes for us here without actually even calling us scum---obviously amounts to the same thing but rubs me the wrong way.
Another random interesting meta tidbit to mention is Mocsta often enters a thread with much fanfare and hysteria, regardless of alignment (though MORE likely to do so as town.)
Hydra mini I (scum) - was there when the game started, lots of trolling, lots of joking around.
The Game (town) - replaced sandro after a day or so, lots of joking, calling people scum, whatnot.
Nomination (town) - jovial lighthearted posting style, throwing votes and shit around at game entry.
NMM 37 (scum) - Enters the thread with lighthearted tone and RNG fluff.
This game he was not around when the game started, and you'll notice he did NOT joke around at all, rather he got supersrs right from the get-go. I believe this is because entering a game late as scum, he missed the 'permissible first few hours joking-around period' and doesn't want to start fooling around when people are actually having discussion for fear he will look scummy for trying to derail. NOTE: He had NO problem joking around in the middle of The Game when he entered because he was town and had no reason to be afraid or look guilty.
Make of this case what you will for now. I might be able to expand on it further with better proof (especially since people are unlikely to go sifting through his meta themselves). CC was asking me to post this much earlier when the discussion was happening but I didn't want to derail trying to learn what I could at the time. I figure it's better out than in right now especially given thread sentiment. I'm going to attempt to study then go to bed but I might be able to check back on the thread a couple more times.
The bolded hypothetical seems to me a pretty good explanation for what wos finds peculiar in mocsta's play. additionally, the other bolded thing.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 15 2013 00:19 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
I'm in the same boat as Marv.
People I am not willing to lynch: FT/Shotgun/JM/SLJ/Vivax
That leaves:
Raynmaster/MockArmor/Balrog/FMB/WoC
Mock is involved in the most idiotic arguing in the game and seems to want to perpetuate the fighting with both WoC and Rayn. I actually feel that out of the three actives in this group, they are the most likely to be mafia.
WoC actually seems more townish throughout this whole ordeal, since I think they've made more of an effort to clarify their stance and actually make a case on Mock, even if the meta argument is weak.
Rayn is a fucking tossup, and I'm not at all sure of their alignment. I would rather not lynch into them yet.
Balrog is a lurker lynch that I'd rather avoid, but simply by process of elimination has to be mafia if I'm right about all my town reads. That said, it's probably better to lynch a more active person, as a rule of thumb.
Prom's hydra looks pretty awful. They've done almost nothing today, and I know Prom as someone that likes to get into the thick of things. What they have done is also not what I call good scum hunting, so it's a decent tell that they are lazy scum.
Out of this comes two choices for lynch. Next post I decide which of Mock and Fondle is the better lynch.
this seems like a decent summary of how i feel about it.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 00:26 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 00:17 raynmaster wrote:MockArmor:Hope this post of mine explains it: And for the record, i did not know Oats was around now. He posted and focused on entirely different things than i did. I asked him about marv/VE in our QT because he has far more meta on people than i do. No it doesn't explain the situation at all. For brevity once more + Show Spoiler +On April 13 2013 23:45 raynmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:38 FiveTouch wrote:On April 13 2013 23:35 raynmaster wrote:
So if Palmar is town and VE was answering that post it makes FiveTouch's response even more suspicious in my eyes.
Here's another fact. If FT is town and JM is scum and actually has a nuke, who is to say they did not actually nuke and PM-cancel it instantly to look town to SLJ?
/rayn I'd appreciate it if you stopped talking nonsense. Go back and read what SLJ said about the nuke and the host reaction, and realise that what you're saying is pretty likely to not be true. Please also explain why it made VE's response 'even more suspicious' because I don't see anything of the sort. Looks like you're trying to make something out of nothing to me. ~marv From what i remember Palmar has a lot of meta on VE. VE could think Palmar is actually nuking him for a reason. Also the answer to their post came pretty quick and without thinking it much further. If it was marv i would think you would have thought about the possibilities from every perspective before posting a response. As it was VE, it's more likely that you guys actually are scum. Not sure though. I gotta consult Oats about what he does think of you guys.
/rayn On April 13 2013 23:53 MockArmor wrote:
Why do you feel the need to post in the thread to contribute; and then limp-dick finish with "I need to consult with my partner."
This aligns very much with what Syllo said earlier - and from my experience in Hydra 1, I 100% agree.
On April 13 2013 18:31 SamuelLJackson wrote:
In a hydra format players should be more confident in sharing their thoughts and lacking the need to comment on irrelevant things as they can discuss things with their partner. Meanwhile mafia still feels the pressure of posting.. Let us re-cap the situation thus far: - You have gone out of your way to "contribute" on live thread matters
- You then avoid accountability by having to refer back to your QT partner
- Your reasoning: Oats has far better meta understanding than I
Now, let me crystalize for you what I am thinking.
If you are incapable of contributing to the thread, due to weak meta history; or, needing to reference with your partner in general.
Why post in the first place?
Before trying to bullshit me: keep in mind, I was scum in the last Hydra game. Henceforth why I agreed in full with the Syllo quote, which I will post for you one more time. Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 18:31 SamuelLJackson wrote:
In a hydra format players should be more confident in sharing their thoughts and lacking the need to comment on irrelevant things as they can discuss things with their partner. Meanwhile mafia still feels the pressure of posting.. P.S. Im not quoting this post, because Syllo saying it makes it valid. Im quoting it because he said it in better words than I.
I also think there's an element of hypocrisy in giving advice to town, which is one of my favorite scumhunting heuristics. I've described it more in depth before, but basically scum love to give good advice to town on how to play, but they don't have any intrinsic motivation to follow that advice later. So when players give good advice to town and then don't indicate that they are keeping that advice in mind later, they're scum.
The specific instance: in the middle of engaging in a pretty pointless back-and-forth about minutiae, mockarmor tells his opponent that people shouldn't be posting unless they ahve something to say, and they shouldn't be posting about talking to their hydra partner. However, i would argue that the whole tunnely argument was just such an exchange, since it wasn't designed to tell us more about either player (certainly mockarmor would say so but that's not the sense I get) and it just gives both sides something to rant about.
some other examples:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 03:32 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:08 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 03:00 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 02:17 MockArmor wrote:On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
[red]Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post. The question should not be addressed to Mocsta. Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner.. I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment. Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore. Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer? Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else? /rayn That answer was clearly written by Mocsta. As is this response. What is your point? Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing? What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time. The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional. Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please. Yes, we have reads. To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. + Show Spoiler +
In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.
Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle. Firstly, you have a keen enough eye to pay attention to our posts; yet, are not observant enough to notice that the early pressure on Hapa was solely GK. FYI, I entered the thread roughly 4 hours, caught up; gave my reads to GK. Let me quote him hhaha (cos i was surprised too) "I agree ironically with pretty much everything you've said".
Secondly, you have a very strong choice of words here Wave. "let him off the hook so easily" // "a few hours of lurking"; if I didnt know better, I would think you are calling me scum. Yet, I do not see a vote or a case for the accountability I was talking about earlier. To answer your question; I didnt think a ##FoS was hard pressure; thus enabling "letting off the hook easily".
Thirdly, (to address the crux of your concerns) you present your opinion as if reads are not subject to change. Why is this?I explained why I let Hapa off the hook in short. You still have not explained in detail what the dispute is?
Lastly, "I understand the stance" what does this actually mean? I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread. "I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently. MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff? Then why are you talking? To get a read on a null tell. Whats a read on a null tell.. lol? On April 14 2013 04:04 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:58 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
A WILD WAVEOFSHADOW ENTERS DA THREAD
WHAT WILL MOCSTA DO?
FIGHT
POKEBALL
RUN
I FORGET THE OPTIONS I HAVEN'T PLAYED THAT GAME IN YEARS
Hes going to sleep. And im very content with where "our" vote is. Regardless; I have said my piece, and laid my out my vote. Won't comment any further till I have had a chance to discuss with my other slot. Night. On April 14 2013 03:46 MockArmor wrote:
Are you implying that because
"i'm so high" you can not be held accountable?
put all the quotes in spoilers so ppl wont be like omg hes augmenting his filter
also putting this in spoiler for the same reason
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PS i guess drazerk posted something?
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This vote count looks suspiciously like a townie lynch. One wagon and 4 votes spread around?
Marvel, since you are here, are any other options viable today in your opinion? I could use some leads on who i should spend my time on.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On April 15 2013 04:48 SamuelLJackson wrote:
This vote count looks suspiciously like a townie lynch. One wagon and 4 votes spread around?
Marvel, since you are here, are any other options viable today in your opinion? I could use some leads on who i should spend my time on.
Why didn't syllo think so, sand?
s&b, where are you going with that?
~marv
P.S. oh yeah. I have no idea. InsertSmurfHere I think are town. probably JohnMatrix too. Other than that I have no idea.
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Well the votecount dictates that we should be lynching one of these people:
On April 15 2013 04:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
Votecount:
WaveofCheesecake (1): MockArmor
Raynmaster (1): Vivax420
Vivax420 (1): FondleMyButtocks
ShotgunBiceps (1): Raynmaster
FondleMyButtocks (6): SamuelLJackson, ShotgunBiceps, John Matrix, FiveTouch, InsertSmurfHere, WaveofCheesecake
Modkill Zone (1): NeutralSrvivngBalrog
Please message me if I made a mistake. 6 Votes needed for a lynch. FondleMyButtocks currently set for lynch.
~3 1/2 hours until deadline. Or 2 1/2... I am investigating this matter currently! Probably 2 1/2, but awaiting confirmation.
Let's roll with "2 1/2" in the meantime, yolo.
Generally in this situation, you see scum dissasociating themselves on other wagons. FMB is included in that group of course, but he's the one getting lynched right now.
NSB is a wild-card for me.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
oh yeah, Shotgun I *think* are town too.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
Hapa, there's almost always at least one scum on the main wagon, regardless of the main wagon's alignment.
~marv
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On April 15 2013 04:52 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 04:48 SamuelLJackson wrote:
This vote count looks suspiciously like a townie lynch. One wagon and 4 votes spread around?
Marvel, since you are here, are any other options viable today in your opinion? I could use some leads on who i should spend my time on. Why didn't syllo think so, sand? s&b, where are you going with that? ~marv P.S. oh yeah. I have no idea. InsertSmurfHere I think are town. probably JohnMatrix too. Other than that I have no idea.
No clue, I haven't talked to him at all, besides him complaining about having to post and play on his own.
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On April 15 2013 04:54 FiveTouch wrote:
Hapa, there's almost always at least one scum on the main wagon, regardless of the main wagon's alignment.
~marv
This is true, however that one's usually the hardest to catch. The stragglers are generally a bit more obvious.
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On April 15 2013 04:38 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Jeez where did everyone go. Need comments on Reyn.
As for the SnB thing, I've noticed that too, but it's a tad against the rules to discuss out-of-game activity in this thread.
doing taxes but figured it would be better to post sporadically than to not post at all
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
oh, I see what you mean Hapa. Even if there is one on the main lynch, there is probably 1 or 2 outside. my bad.
~marv
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Vatican City State88 Posts
On April 15 2013 03:51 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Hey guys. I'm attempting to catch up with the thread here but I'm casting in 10 minutes so I may not make it back in time for deadline if it goes 3 games.
For now, going to follow thread sentiment and vote FMB. I'm sorry I can't give much more than this atm, hopefully he flips red.
At the very least CC and I at least discussed him a little;' I know I personally thought his argument about how MA wasn't pushing a scum agenda was kinda stupid (it's somewhere back in my filter I think). If I get back with enough time before deadline I'll read into it more critically but this is it for now.
##Vote: FondleMyButtocks
I mean, this guy hasn't really made any cases, pops in and says "Hi guys! I'll vote for the leader. Kthx bye!"
He says nothing of what he thinks about FMB here. He just throws down a vote and afks... He doesn't followup at all on his reads on Rayne or myself...
This guy shows no real investment in the game...
I mean FMB's definitely scummy looking, but at its heart it feels more like a lurker lynch than anything else... And lurker lynches are stupidly easy for scum to get behind without real fallout later. It just doesn't make sense to me in a game where we could hypothetically have day 2 LYLO that we're pretty much policy lurker lynching someone.
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