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On April 15 2013 05:17 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Your WoC suspicions are more that he's playing bad rather than scummy. I'm not pleased with his play either, but I think it's townie. Again, his vote post on FMB is very genuine.
No. I clearly showed how he's acting differently and posting differently from his normal town self. On top of that, he's not following any normal town thought processes (think scum -> pressure -> vote). Instead it's (think scum -> mindlessly argue -> flail).
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samjackson is voting for FMB even tho he admitted it's a mislynch wtf
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Just because he's not lying about what he's doing doesn't make it any more excusable that neither of them have honestly scumhunted this entire fucking game.
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On April 15 2013 05:19 VIVAX420 wrote:
samjackson is voting for FMB even tho he admitted it's a mislynch wtf
Stop taking random comments out of context. I have it in my mind to lynch you on the spot, because you don't give a shit about who's going to get lynched today.
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Votecount:
WaveofCheesecake (2): MockArmor, InsertSmurfHere
Raynmaster (1): Vivax420
Vivax420 (1): FondleMyButtocks
ShotgunBiceps (1): Raynmaster
FondleMyButtocks (5): SamuelLJackson, ShotgunBiceps, John Matrix, FiveTouch, WaveofCheesecake
MockArmor (1): NeutralSrvivngBalrog
Please message me if I made a mistake. 6 Votes needed for a lynch.
~1 1/2 hours until deadline.
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On April 15 2013 05:19 InsertSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 05:17 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Your WoC suspicions are more that he's playing bad rather than scummy. I'm not pleased with his play either, but I think it's townie. Again, his vote post on FMB is very genuine. No. I clearly showed how he's acting differently and posting differently from his normal town self. On top of that, he's not following any normal town thought processes (think scum -> pressure -> vote). Instead it's (think scum -> mindlessly argue -> flail).
That's kinda how town-CC plays =/
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i give a shit it's just that there are a bunch of people who could easily be scum. Except because of the votes it is now very unlikely that one of those people is FMB. Yet people are still voting for him...
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On April 15 2013 05:25 VIVAX420 wrote:
i give a shit it's just that there are a bunch of people who could easily be scum. Except because of the votes it is now very unlikely that one of those people is FMB. Yet people are still voting for him...
you're still voting for him.
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I just came back after having visitors the whole day and got a skype message from Prom that he is replacing out. According to him Blazinghand will join me, but I have not heard anything official yet. I skimmed the thread to see that we gathered the most votes so far, I'm flattered. I'll try to catch up with the thread and post a few things before deadline.
The reason you have not heard from us is that I thought prom would be online, which he couldn't (this is related to him replacing out). I knew I would not be online today until about now.
k, have to do some RL stuff, am afk for 15 min., then start reading the thread and answering any questions.
-pha
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On April 15 2013 03:42 InsertSmurfHere wrote:Here's my problem with WoC. 1. Wave joked around exclusively even when shit got serious. This is not behavior that I remember much of from Wave in any game yet. When I went and looked at Ego Mini, The Game and LX, none of those had much joking at all. As a matter of fact he gets into the think of things in all of those games. In this game he's just seemed to take a complete wait and see approach. This looks like a mentality shift to me from being town to being new scum. 2. In looking at how Wave tends to post in Ego and The Game, you get almost a series of Short Post-Short Post-Long Post that repeats itself. It's almost like he does that sort of posting unconciously. It's something he does from almost the beginning of the game. Yet here, he doesn't look to actually ever 'catch' into that typical town rhetoric from him. This to me looks like he's trying to be careful and not posting naturally. 3. Wave made a meta case. Wave tries to avoid meta cases like the plague. What's the point in him making a meta case? Either as a newer player or as a player who has often expressed his feelings about meta cases, who is going to listen or pay attention to it? No one. This is an easily dismissable case in addition to it being out of character for Wave. + Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 14:14 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
I don't have the time for this now; if I feel it's appropriate I will post the meta case I have on Mocsta tomorrow. I can't be drawin into a million-hour discussion with Mocsta atm; I have too much work to do. The whole point of CC's discussion with Mocsta (for me) was to keep him talking so I could find out more. I don't care what the rest of town thinks about that conversation; the two of us know what we're doing.
And where the fuck are you getting that I have to check everything through with CC? All I said was I don't know why he finds Rayn scummy because we never discussed it.
Actually fuck it, I'll post the short form without proof atm; that'll have to be enough for now. If my meta reads are still shit then they're shit but that's why I wanted to hear more from GK---I'm not 100% cemented on my scumread/meta read and I was hoping GK could confirm in for me one way or another, which it hasn't.
In short, two things. At the time of be making my meta case, Mocsta had already posted a ton without calling anyone scummy; just making careful posts and not giving a solid read on anyone. This is indicative of his early game scum play from both NMM 37 and Hydra I. As town he throws out reads left and right constantly and ACTUALLY MAKES CASES to follow up with his reads and endless lines of questioning, which he hasn't done here. He votes for us here without actually even calling us scum---obviously amounts to the same thing but rubs me the wrong way.
Another random interesting meta tidbit to mention is Mocsta often enters a thread with much fanfare and hysteria, regardless of alignment (though MORE likely to do so as town.)
Hydra mini I (scum) - was there when the game started, lots of trolling, lots of joking around.
The Game (town) - replaced sandro after a day or so, lots of joking, calling people scum, whatnot.
Nomination (town) - jovial lighthearted posting style, throwing votes and shit around at game entry.
NMM 37 (scum) - Enters the thread with lighthearted tone and RNG fluff.
This game he was not around when the game started, and you'll notice he did NOT joke around at all, rather he got supersrs right from the get-go. I believe this is because entering a game late as scum, he missed the 'permissible first few hours joking-around period' and doesn't want to start fooling around when people are actually having discussion for fear he will look scummy for trying to derail. NOTE: He had NO problem joking around in the middle of The Game when he entered because he was town and had no reason to be afraid or look guilty.
Make of this case what you will for now. I might be able to expand on it further with better proof (especially since people are unlikely to go sifting through his meta themselves). CC was asking me to post this much earlier when the discussion was happening but I didn't want to derail trying to learn what I could at the time. I figure it's better out than in right now especially given thread sentiment. I'm going to attempt to study then go to bed but I might be able to check back on the thread a couple more times. The only viable point in the whole case is perhaps the Mocsta not giving reads freely; in my memory, Mocsta was very willing to give reads in NMM37 (as for Hydra mini I don't remember as I read that game but wasn't terribly invested in it). One of his major points is that Mocsta didn't instantly enter joking around but in 3/4ths of the games he posted Mocsta joked around heavily in. This is not and was not a case made to be appreciated or noticed. It was a case to be made just get pressure off of him and nothing else. I don't see why more people can't hop on the Geript Wagon of Justice (TM). Wave isn't approaching things from a towny aspect and isn't showing himself to be consistent with his town meta (no scum meta yet available). He also isn't approaching things in any sort of natural towny mentality or mindset. He's totes scum brahs
Seriously did you guys read this at all? Just because Yamato isn't making the points doesn't mean that you should ignore this. Go back and look at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&user=66004 or The Game or LX. Is my read of him off? Do you see me mischaracterizing his early play or how he posts? WoS doesn't put much stock in meta and then he up and comes with a meta case that is other than one minor point in the middle totally non-sensical and looks as if it's a "SEE HOW MUCH EFFORT I'M PUTTING IN HERE" post. That's not towny.
<--not yamato
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On April 15 2013 05:25 VIVAX420 wrote:
i give a shit it's just that there are a bunch of people who could easily be scum. Except because of the votes it is now very unlikely that one of those people is FMB. Yet people are still voting for him...
Because a lynch is better than no lynch.
You're not helping in finding a new lynch candidate, you're just fucking around.
You scum? Vivax being townish isn't going to excuse you fucking off for too long.
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On April 15 2013 05:26 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 05:25 VIVAX420 wrote:
i give a shit it's just that there are a bunch of people who could easily be scum. Except because of the votes it is now very unlikely that one of those people is FMB. Yet people are still voting for him... you're still voting for him.
NO IM NOT
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On April 15 2013 05:25 VIVAX420 wrote:
i give a shit it's just that there are a bunch of people who could easily be scum. Except because of the votes it is now very unlikely that one of those people is FMB. Yet people are still voting for him...
You do?
On April 15 2013 02:35 VIVAX420 wrote:
LOL rayne voting hapa for doing what he does in the beginning of every single game?? ok
shotgun Terrible and unrealistic lynch.
I want to lynch Raynemaster or WoC
On April 15 2013 03:14 VIVAX420 wrote:
I'd lynch Neutralsurvivingbalrog. Mostly a policy lynch but I'd do it.
kush
On April 15 2013 03:31 VIVAX420 wrote:
FMB lynch gets the kush seal of approval. I will vote it if rayn isn't happening.
kush
On April 15 2013 05:19 VIVAX420 wrote:
samjackson is voting for FMB even tho he admitted it's a mislynch wtf
You pretty much want to lynch everrrrrryone.
Except for WoC, who you said "looked townie on yoru recent readthrough", but never explained why that was the case.
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On April 15 2013 05:27 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 05:26 FiveTouch wrote:On April 15 2013 05:25 VIVAX420 wrote:
i give a shit it's just that there are a bunch of people who could easily be scum. Except because of the votes it is now very unlikely that one of those people is FMB. Yet people are still voting for him... you're still voting for him. NO IM NOT
oh yes. My bad 
let's kill NSB. why not, right?
##Unvote
##Vote: NeutralSrvivingBalrog
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Eh. That feels like such a cop-out =/
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@vivax420 I took a quick peek at your filter and it seems you both agree on the FMB lynch, are voting for someone else and now you are pressuring me to move my vote away from him instantly when I'm considering other options?
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FMB post QT right now please
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I feel like I'd lynch NSB only if I had no other good alternatives. I'd rather search for one than plop my vote down on him.
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Honestly, at this point I'm not going to lynch Prom.
Vivax420/NSB/WWoC
Pick one, bros.
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On April 15 2013 05:30 VIVAX420 wrote:
FMB post QT right now please
... this is out of bounds
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