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InsertSmurfHere
Profile Joined March 2013
288 Posts
April 14 2013 20:31 GMT
#981
On April 15 2013 05:24 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 05:19 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
On April 15 2013 05:17 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Your WoC suspicions are more that he's playing bad rather than scummy. I'm not pleased with his play either, but I think it's townie. Again, his vote post on FMB is very genuine.

No. I clearly showed how he's acting differently and posting differently from his normal town self. On top of that, he's not following any normal town thought processes (think scum -> pressure -> vote). Instead it's (think scum -> mindlessly argue -> flail).


That's kinda how town-CC plays =/

My point is that much of their filter IMO isn't CC but WoS. Not all of it granted, but WoS is acting differently. Even how he responds to pressure has been different. In the Game he became far, FAR more involved after cases were levied against him. In Hydra, once he was on the chopping block he started trying to actively push someone else because he was both blue and town. This game, I don't get that. I don't see him actually trying to get MA lynched at all. Even if you say that's because he's busy, then look at his meta case... would you ever think that's effective at pushing agenda? Honestly? That's not a weak case from a weak player; that's just a bad case. It has 1 good point in the middle of it which gets the least time and he spends most of that time deciding whether or not to even post his thoughts. NOT TOWNY. WoS is SCUM
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 14 2013 20:31 GMT
#982
On April 15 2013 05:30 SamuelLJackson wrote:
@vivax420 I took a quick peek at your filter and it seems you both agree on the FMB lynch, are voting for someone else and now you are pressuring me to move my vote away from him instantly when I'm considering other options?

I really don't know about FMB. He's not someone I have a solid read on. I was willing to sheep him if no one wanted to kill rayne, but the way the votes are falling he looks less and less like scum.
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 14 2013 20:36 GMT
#983
Also I don't need reasons for not suspecting WoC. I read his filter. His filter seems like town wrote it. That's all the reasons I have.
Kush and Vivax
InsertSmurfHere
Profile Joined March 2013
288 Posts
April 14 2013 20:36 GMT
#984
LYNCH WAVEOFCHEESEACKE
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 20:36 GMT
#985
##Unvote

On April 15 2013 05:31 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 05:24 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
On April 15 2013 05:19 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
On April 15 2013 05:17 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Your WoC suspicions are more that he's playing bad rather than scummy. I'm not pleased with his play either, but I think it's townie. Again, his vote post on FMB is very genuine.

No. I clearly showed how he's acting differently and posting differently from his normal town self. On top of that, he's not following any normal town thought processes (think scum -> pressure -> vote). Instead it's (think scum -> mindlessly argue -> flail).


That's kinda how town-CC plays =/

My point is that much of their filter IMO isn't CC but WoS. Not all of it granted, but WoS is acting differently. Even how he responds to pressure has been different. In the Game he became far, FAR more involved after cases were levied against him. In Hydra, once he was on the chopping block he started trying to actively push someone else because he was both blue and town. This game, I don't get that. I don't see him actually trying to get MA lynched at all. Even if you say that's because he's busy, then look at his meta case... would you ever think that's effective at pushing agenda? Honestly? That's not a weak case from a weak player; that's just a bad case. It has 1 good point in the middle of it which gets the least time and he spends most of that time deciding whether or not to even post his thoughts. NOT TOWNY. WoS is SCUM


Hydra 1 was a fairly different situation no? Like he was the leading lynch candidate, and not a fringe one.

Anyway I'll read his filter again. I still think his FMB vote was very genuine.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 20:37 GMT
#986
On April 15 2013 05:36 VIVAX420 wrote:
Also I don't need reasons for not suspecting WoC. I read his filter. His filter seems like town wrote it. That's all the reasons I have.


Yeah but what in his filter holycrap
Hapahauli/jampidampi
FondleMyButtocks
Profile Joined April 2013
38 Posts
April 14 2013 20:40 GMT
#987
On April 15 2013 05:30 VIVAX420 wrote:
FMB post QT right now please

No.

I don't even know if it's allowed by the rules.
Blazinghand and Phagga
InsertSmurfHere
Profile Joined March 2013
288 Posts
April 14 2013 20:42 GMT
#988
On April 15 2013 05:36 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Hydra 1 was a fairly different situation no? Like he was the leading lynch candidate, and not a fringe one.

Anyway I'll read his filter again. I still think his FMB vote was very genuine.

To some extent all 3 situations are different. In Hydra 1 I think he gained lots of hate and pressure on N2 after the VE/OO lynch and that's when he really started getting active. In the game it wasn't until D2 where he had a ton of pressure and was setup as the mislych du jour with 2-3 cases on him when he got super invested so to speak and had a terrible coming out claim. In LX he and Dr.H got into it late game and went back and forth both being really active and shit-throwing etc. The point is that how he responds to pressure is alignment indicative; when he feels pressured, he gets his ass in gear. In this case he seems to have no investment in shifting into 3rd gear.
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
April 14 2013 20:42 GMT
#989
On April 15 2013 05:31 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Honestly, at this point I'm not going to lynch Prom.

Vivax420/NSB/WWoC

Pick one, bros.

I could get behind vivax420/nsb/FMB, who looks actually like a good wagon if vivax is scum. I'm not feeling the woc.
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 14 2013 20:42 GMT
#990
ok fine if it's not allowed by the rules. that would make sense because it would be a huge town tell to have a normal looking hydra qt.

Why is WoC town?
Last couple posts in his filter show town mindset of trying to figure shit out. Also he puts A LOT of effort into metaing.
Kush and Vivax
InsertSmurfHere
Profile Joined March 2013
288 Posts
April 14 2013 20:44 GMT
#991
On April 15 2013 05:42 VIVAX420 wrote:
ok fine if it's not allowed by the rules. that would make sense because it would be a huge town tell to have a normal looking hydra qt.

Why is WoC town?
Last couple posts in his filter show town mindset of trying to figure shit out. Also he puts A LOT of effort into metaing.

No he doesn't. He played in all of those games. He's summarizing them and from my memory misrepresenting them at points. He put actual effort in explaining why the things are alignment indicative. MOST OF ALL HE BELIEVES HIS META READS ARE SHIT AND DOESN'T USE META!!!!!! How is that not a red flag for you?
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 14 2013 20:46 GMT
#992
ISH
scum's not gonna make a post this long d1
On April 14 2013 14:14 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
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I don't have the time for this now; if I feel it's appropriate I will post the meta case I have on Mocsta tomorrow. I can't be drawin into a million-hour discussion with Mocsta atm; I have too much work to do. The whole point of CC's discussion with Mocsta (for me) was to keep him talking so I could find out more. I don't care what the rest of town thinks about that conversation; the two of us know what we're doing.

And where the fuck are you getting that I have to check everything through with CC? All I said was I don't know why he finds Rayn scummy because we never discussed it.



Actually fuck it, I'll post the short form without proof atm; that'll have to be enough for now. If my meta reads are still shit then they're shit but that's why I wanted to hear more from GK---I'm not 100% cemented on my scumread/meta read and I was hoping GK could confirm in for me one way or another, which it hasn't.


In short, two things. At the time of be making my meta case, Mocsta had already posted a ton without calling anyone scummy; just making careful posts and not giving a solid read on anyone. This is indicative of his early game scum play from both NMM 37 and Hydra I. As town he throws out reads left and right constantly and ACTUALLY MAKES CASES to follow up with his reads and endless lines of questioning, which he hasn't done here. He votes for us here without actually even calling us scum---obviously amounts to the same thing but rubs me the wrong way.


Another random interesting meta tidbit to mention is Mocsta often enters a thread with much fanfare and hysteria, regardless of alignment (though MORE likely to do so as town.)
Hydra mini I (scum) - was there when the game started, lots of trolling, lots of joking around.
The Game (town) - replaced sandro after a day or so, lots of joking, calling people scum, whatnot.
Nomination (town) - jovial lighthearted posting style, throwing votes and shit around at game entry.
NMM 37 (scum) - Enters the thread with lighthearted tone and RNG fluff.

This game he was not around when the game started, and you'll notice he did NOT joke around at all, rather he got supersrs right from the get-go. I believe this is because entering a game late as scum, he missed the 'permissible first few hours joking-around period' and doesn't want to start fooling around when people are actually having discussion for fear he will look scummy for trying to derail. NOTE: He had NO problem joking around in the middle of The Game when he entered because he was town and had no reason to be afraid or look guilty.


Make of this case what you will for now. I might be able to expand on it further with better proof (especially since people are unlikely to go sifting through his meta themselves). CC was asking me to post this much earlier when the discussion was happening but I didn't want to derail trying to learn what I could at the time. I figure it's better out than in right now especially given thread sentiment. I'm going to attempt to study then go to bed but I might be able to check back on the thread a couple more times.

Kush and Vivax
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 14 2013 20:48 GMT
#993
On April 15 2013 05:30 VIVAX420 wrote:
FMB post QT right now please

This is not allowed.
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 20:50 GMT
#994
Honestly Yamato, I'm just terribly worried that we're repeating Hydra 1, where I psycho-tunneled WoS for not reading the thread on N2. He wasn't under any real pressure this game, so I don't see why he would be motivated to "get his ass into gear."

I read his filter again, and I'm still not feeling it. Even if the WoS half is different (more joking), it feels like he's putting in the effort, and the CC half feels townie. Furthermore, if they were scum, why would htey have WoS doing the heavy lifting, when CC is far and away the better scum-player?

Anyway I'm leaning towards lynching Rayn or VIVAX right now. When I read through Vivax's half, I dont' really see why I considered him all that townie in the first place. Rayn is scummy for what I mentioned previously.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 14 2013 20:51 GMT
#995
why don't we just kill NSB to get rid of him. that sounds fantastic.

~marv
Artanis & marv
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 20:53 GMT
#996
I think he's someone to nuke, not to lynch.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 20:54 GMT
#997
If we truly can't find anyone to consolidate, we can always move onto NSB. Until then, our time is better spent sorting out some of the other candidates.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 20:56 GMT
#998
And can someone explain to me why we considered Vivax to be town? I'm reading through his half again and can't figure out why I can excuse Kush's behavior.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 14 2013 20:57 GMT
#999
I could kill Vivax, mainly because he doesn't seem to give a shit about this lynch, and Vivax always has very strong feelings about the lynch as town.

~marv
Artanis & marv
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
April 14 2013 21:00 GMT
#1000
if we aren't lynching FMB, lynch rayn he is totes scum.

-DP
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
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