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FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 14 2013 18:26 GMT
#881
##Unvote
##Vote: FondleMyButtocks


Gonna vote for him now. I'd like anyone who cares to, palmar/syllo/hapa/yamato, whoever, to talk about my concerns slightly further up though.

~marv
Artanis & marv
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
April 14 2013 18:27 GMT
#882
On April 15 2013 03:19 FiveTouch wrote:
Here's my main issue with FMB, and I get that some of you may call me silly.

Seems like the trend of the thread, as far as I'm aware, has been meandering along towards an FMB lynch for some time. If he's mafia, is he really that far gone that the other mafia haven't tried to significantly push an alternate lynch?

Seems like we're just gonna lynch FMB and that's that, no real questions asked.

syllo, what do you make of this? If I remember correctly you're usually pretty aware of these things. Palmar too.

~marv

I'm not sure if I agree with the notion that the thread has been meandering towards fmb lynch, but if prom or snb are mafia and really absent, mafia may have adapted a wait and see approach. That is, waited for the mafia to show up to defend himself.
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 14 2013 18:29 GMT
#883
On April 15 2013 03:27 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 03:19 FiveTouch wrote:
Here's my main issue with FMB, and I get that some of you may call me silly.

Seems like the trend of the thread, as far as I'm aware, has been meandering along towards an FMB lynch for some time. If he's mafia, is he really that far gone that the other mafia haven't tried to significantly push an alternate lynch?

Seems like we're just gonna lynch FMB and that's that, no real questions asked.

syllo, what do you make of this? If I remember correctly you're usually pretty aware of these things. Palmar too.

~marv

I'm not sure if I agree with the notion that the thread has been meandering towards fmb lynch, but if prom or snb are mafia and really absent, mafia may have adapted a wait and see approach. That is, waited for the mafia to show up to defend himself.


Well, it's been pretty damn clear to me to be honest.

Who else do you think the thread has been wanting to lynch? There's been plenty of arguments and plenty of back and forths, some suspicions thrown around, but FMB has been the main dude people are universally suspicious of.

This is the kind of thing I see players like you and Palmar talk about in obsQTs. "well when a lynch goes this easily on day 1, it's rarely on mafia."

~marv
Artanis & marv
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
April 14 2013 18:30 GMT
#884
Smurf: I've absolutely been useless, but that does not make me mafia. I joined the game with the assumption that I could just chat with sandro and not post much, but the game started earlier than expected and I ended up having to play the game solo so far.
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 18:30 GMT
#885
On April 15 2013 03:19 FiveTouch wrote:
Here's my main issue with FMB, and I get that some of you may call me silly.

Seems like the trend of the thread, as far as I'm aware, has been meandering along towards an FMB lynch for some time. If he's mafia, is he really that far gone that the other mafia haven't tried to significantly push an alternate lynch?

Seems like we're just gonna lynch FMB and that's that, no real questions asked.

syllo, what do you make of this? If I remember correctly you're usually pretty aware of these things. Palmar too.

~marv


Fairly valid concerns, however the fact remains that Prome's play has been incredibly lacking, and that lines up pretty darn well with his scum mentality. I find it hard to believe that town-Prome would awol the thread like this. If I remember correctly, he was quite busy in Dessert Mini (as town) and really made attempts to go out of his way to be active.

On Day 1, I think thread atmosphere and flow can be fairly fickle, and I'd rather resort to lynching objectively scummy players. For example, the scum-team could be lurking or just bad at deflecting attention off of their buddy. And given the most recent votecount (with votes spread amongst 5 players), I don't see this as much of a concern anywho.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
InsertSmurfHere
Profile Joined March 2013
288 Posts
April 14 2013 18:31 GMT
#886
On April 15 2013 03:25 FiveTouch wrote:
yamato, while some of your concerns about syllogism may be valid (VE and I are both uncomfortable at how little he's leading/pushing town), a lot of what you talk about is just how syllogism talks stylistically.

~marv

You don't find it concerning that he simply wants to lurker lynch Prom?

I looked through Prom's filter and I'm not as confident in the lynch anymore. While he is usually more active as town, I also know from experience in the last hydra that he can be gone for days at a time. I don't think inactivity is alignment indicative in this case.

What I do see in his posting isn't super encouraging, because having Vivax/Kush as your main scumread is kind of a cop out, but he also does seem rather suspicious of the Balrog hydra, which is reasonable.
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
April 14 2013 18:31 GMT
#887
On April 15 2013 03:29 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 03:27 SamuelLJackson wrote:
On April 15 2013 03:19 FiveTouch wrote:
Here's my main issue with FMB, and I get that some of you may call me silly.

Seems like the trend of the thread, as far as I'm aware, has been meandering along towards an FMB lynch for some time. If he's mafia, is he really that far gone that the other mafia haven't tried to significantly push an alternate lynch?

Seems like we're just gonna lynch FMB and that's that, no real questions asked.

syllo, what do you make of this? If I remember correctly you're usually pretty aware of these things. Palmar too.

~marv

I'm not sure if I agree with the notion that the thread has been meandering towards fmb lynch, but if prom or snb are mafia and really absent, mafia may have adapted a wait and see approach. That is, waited for the mafia to show up to defend himself.


Well, it's been pretty damn clear to me to be honest.

Who else do you think the thread has been wanting to lynch? There's been plenty of arguments and plenty of back and forths, some suspicions thrown around, but FMB has been the main dude people are universally suspicious of.

This is the kind of thing I see players like you and Palmar talk about in obsQTs. "well when a lynch goes this easily on day 1, it's rarely on mafia."

~marv

Who do you want to lynch then? I don't have time to reread, though perhaps sandro will before the deadline.
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 14 2013 18:31 GMT
#888
FMB lynch gets the kush seal of approval. I will vote it if rayn isn't happening.
kush
Kush and Vivax
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 14 2013 18:33 GMT
#889
On April 15 2013 03:30 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 03:19 FiveTouch wrote:
Here's my main issue with FMB, and I get that some of you may call me silly.

Seems like the trend of the thread, as far as I'm aware, has been meandering along towards an FMB lynch for some time. If he's mafia, is he really that far gone that the other mafia haven't tried to significantly push an alternate lynch?

Seems like we're just gonna lynch FMB and that's that, no real questions asked.

syllo, what do you make of this? If I remember correctly you're usually pretty aware of these things. Palmar too.

~marv


Fairly valid concerns, however the fact remains that Prome's play has been incredibly lacking, and that lines up pretty darn well with his scum mentality. I find it hard to believe that town-Prome would awol the thread like this. If I remember correctly, he was quite busy in Dessert Mini (as town) and really made attempts to go out of his way to be active.

On Day 1, I think thread atmosphere and flow can be fairly fickle, and I'd rather resort to lynching objectively scummy players. For example, the scum-team could be lurking or just bad at deflecting attention off of their buddy. And given the most recent votecount (with votes spread amongst 5 players), I don't see this as much of a concern anywho.


I feel the same about mafia Prome. Remember he only AFKed in LX after being extremely active for the first half of the day with his RNG and various other silly things.

I mean, my vote is on FMB, he looks to be a decent lynch, the only thing that makes me think he's not a decent lynch is the fact that everyone thinks he's a decent lynch. If you get what I'm saying.

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 14 2013 18:34 GMT
#890
On April 15 2013 03:31 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 03:29 FiveTouch wrote:
On April 15 2013 03:27 SamuelLJackson wrote:
On April 15 2013 03:19 FiveTouch wrote:
Here's my main issue with FMB, and I get that some of you may call me silly.

Seems like the trend of the thread, as far as I'm aware, has been meandering along towards an FMB lynch for some time. If he's mafia, is he really that far gone that the other mafia haven't tried to significantly push an alternate lynch?

Seems like we're just gonna lynch FMB and that's that, no real questions asked.

syllo, what do you make of this? If I remember correctly you're usually pretty aware of these things. Palmar too.

~marv

I'm not sure if I agree with the notion that the thread has been meandering towards fmb lynch, but if prom or snb are mafia and really absent, mafia may have adapted a wait and see approach. That is, waited for the mafia to show up to defend himself.


Well, it's been pretty damn clear to me to be honest.

Who else do you think the thread has been wanting to lynch? There's been plenty of arguments and plenty of back and forths, some suspicions thrown around, but FMB has been the main dude people are universally suspicious of.

This is the kind of thing I see players like you and Palmar talk about in obsQTs. "well when a lynch goes this easily on day 1, it's rarely on mafia."

~marv

Who do you want to lynch then? I don't have time to reread, though perhaps sandro will before the deadline.


I've been umming and ahhing about lynching NSB, not because I can point to anything specifically scummy in his filter, but because he's even more of a lurker than FMB, and has received disproportionately less attention.

~marv
Artanis & marv
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-14 19:18:04
April 14 2013 18:35 GMT
#891
Votecount:

WaveofCheesecake (2): MockArmor, InsertSmurfHere
Raynmaster (1): Vivax420
Vivax420 (1): FondleMyButtocks
ShotgunBiceps (1): Raynmaster
FondleMyButtocks (4): SamuelLJackson, ShotgunBiceps, John Matrix, FiveTouch

Modkill Zone (1): WaveofCheesecake, NeutralSrvivngBalrog

Please message me if I made a mistake. 6 Votes needed for a lynch.

3 1/2 hours until deadline.

A backwards poet writes inverse.
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 14 2013 18:37 GMT
#892
Also apparently kush will lynch absolutely anybody :/

On April 15 2013 02:35 VIVAX420 wrote:
LOL rayne voting hapa for doing what he does in the beginning of every single game?? ok
shotgun Terrible and unrealistic lynch.

I want to lynch Raynemaster or WoC


On April 15 2013 03:14 VIVAX420 wrote:
I'd lynch Neutralsurvivingbalrog. Mostly a policy lynch but I'd do it.
kush


On April 15 2013 03:31 VIVAX420 wrote:
FMB lynch gets the kush seal of approval. I will vote it if rayn isn't happening.
kush

Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 14 2013 18:37 GMT
#893
kush tell me why you'd lynch FMB?

~marv
Artanis & marv
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
April 14 2013 18:38 GMT
#894
On April 15 2013 03:34 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 03:31 SamuelLJackson wrote:
On April 15 2013 03:29 FiveTouch wrote:
On April 15 2013 03:27 SamuelLJackson wrote:
On April 15 2013 03:19 FiveTouch wrote:
Here's my main issue with FMB, and I get that some of you may call me silly.

Seems like the trend of the thread, as far as I'm aware, has been meandering along towards an FMB lynch for some time. If he's mafia, is he really that far gone that the other mafia haven't tried to significantly push an alternate lynch?

Seems like we're just gonna lynch FMB and that's that, no real questions asked.

syllo, what do you make of this? If I remember correctly you're usually pretty aware of these things. Palmar too.

~marv

I'm not sure if I agree with the notion that the thread has been meandering towards fmb lynch, but if prom or snb are mafia and really absent, mafia may have adapted a wait and see approach. That is, waited for the mafia to show up to defend himself.


Well, it's been pretty damn clear to me to be honest.

Who else do you think the thread has been wanting to lynch? There's been plenty of arguments and plenty of back and forths, some suspicions thrown around, but FMB has been the main dude people are universally suspicious of.

This is the kind of thing I see players like you and Palmar talk about in obsQTs. "well when a lynch goes this easily on day 1, it's rarely on mafia."

~marv

Who do you want to lynch then? I don't have time to reread, though perhaps sandro will before the deadline.


I've been umming and ahhing about lynching NSB, not because I can point to anything specifically scummy in his filter, but because he's even more of a lurker than FMB, and has received disproportionately less attention.

~marv

If drazerk/snb are mafia, why did drazerk show up, make a few nonsensical posts and disappear? He doesn't seem to give a shit about his survival, which seems about what I would expect from him as town.
InsertSmurfHere
Profile Joined March 2013
288 Posts
April 14 2013 18:39 GMT
#895
Fuck, Prom, why couldn't you have been more active? Ugh.

I fucking hate lurker lynching, but his posting is rather meek and constantly excuse-ridden.

Whatever, for consolidation I'll lynch Prom.

##Unvote
##Vote FondleMyButtocks
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 14 2013 18:39 GMT
#896
I'm tired and going to bed, I support the FMB bandwagon. Not sure what to make of balrog trolling and giving out townreads he might be a good candidate for a nuke.

Possibly didn't read everything , checking back in tomorrow and leaving stuff to kush.

-Vivax
Kush and Vivax
InsertSmurfHere
Profile Joined March 2013
288 Posts
April 14 2013 18:40 GMT
#897
For the record, I would rather flip Syllo today, but even Palmar doesn't want to do that and he's the only other one that seems to think Syllo could be mafia.
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 14 2013 18:40 GMT
#898
On April 15 2013 03:38 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 03:34 FiveTouch wrote:
On April 15 2013 03:31 SamuelLJackson wrote:
On April 15 2013 03:29 FiveTouch wrote:
On April 15 2013 03:27 SamuelLJackson wrote:
On April 15 2013 03:19 FiveTouch wrote:
Here's my main issue with FMB, and I get that some of you may call me silly.

Seems like the trend of the thread, as far as I'm aware, has been meandering along towards an FMB lynch for some time. If he's mafia, is he really that far gone that the other mafia haven't tried to significantly push an alternate lynch?

Seems like we're just gonna lynch FMB and that's that, no real questions asked.

syllo, what do you make of this? If I remember correctly you're usually pretty aware of these things. Palmar too.

~marv

I'm not sure if I agree with the notion that the thread has been meandering towards fmb lynch, but if prom or snb are mafia and really absent, mafia may have adapted a wait and see approach. That is, waited for the mafia to show up to defend himself.


Well, it's been pretty damn clear to me to be honest.

Who else do you think the thread has been wanting to lynch? There's been plenty of arguments and plenty of back and forths, some suspicions thrown around, but FMB has been the main dude people are universally suspicious of.

This is the kind of thing I see players like you and Palmar talk about in obsQTs. "well when a lynch goes this easily on day 1, it's rarely on mafia."

~marv

Who do you want to lynch then? I don't have time to reread, though perhaps sandro will before the deadline.


I've been umming and ahhing about lynching NSB, not because I can point to anything specifically scummy in his filter, but because he's even more of a lurker than FMB, and has received disproportionately less attention.

~marv

If drazerk/snb are mafia, why did drazerk show up, make a few nonsensical posts and disappear? He doesn't seem to give a shit about his survival, which seems about what I would expect from him as town.


You've been pushing both of them for being contentless all day, drazerk returns to be contentless, but now it's a town-tell because it's contentless? :<

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 14 2013 18:41 GMT
#899
On April 15 2013 03:40 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
For the record, I would rather flip Syllo today, but even Palmar doesn't want to do that and he's the only other one that seems to think Syllo could be mafia.


I think he could be mafia (VE thought so way early in the day actually), but I don't think it's a very clever play to lynch him today.

~marv
Artanis & marv
InsertSmurfHere
Profile Joined March 2013
288 Posts
April 14 2013 18:42 GMT
#900
Here's my problem with WoC.

1. Wave joked around exclusively even when shit got serious. This is not behavior that I remember much of from Wave in any game yet. When I went and looked at Ego Mini, The Game and LX, none of those had much joking at all. As a matter of fact he gets into the think of things in all of those games. In this game he's just seemed to take a complete wait and see approach. This looks like a mentality shift to me from being town to being new scum.
2. In looking at how Wave tends to post in Ego and The Game, you get almost a series of Short Post-Short Post-Long Post that repeats itself. It's almost like he does that sort of posting unconciously. It's something he does from almost the beginning of the game. Yet here, he doesn't look to actually ever 'catch' into that typical town rhetoric from him. This to me looks like he's trying to be careful and not posting naturally.
3. Wave made a meta case. Wave tries to avoid meta cases like the plague. What's the point in him making a meta case? Either as a newer player or as a player who has often expressed his feelings about meta cases, who is going to listen or pay attention to it? No one. This is an easily dismissable case in addition to it being out of character for Wave. + Show Spoiler +
On April 14 2013 14:14 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
I don't have the time for this now; if I feel it's appropriate I will post the meta case I have on Mocsta tomorrow. I can't be drawin into a million-hour discussion with Mocsta atm; I have too much work to do. The whole point of CC's discussion with Mocsta (for me) was to keep him talking so I could find out more. I don't care what the rest of town thinks about that conversation; the two of us know what we're doing.

And where the fuck are you getting that I have to check everything through with CC? All I said was I don't know why he finds Rayn scummy because we never discussed it.



Actually fuck it, I'll post the short form without proof atm; that'll have to be enough for now. If my meta reads are still shit then they're shit but that's why I wanted to hear more from GK---I'm not 100% cemented on my scumread/meta read and I was hoping GK could confirm in for me one way or another, which it hasn't.


In short, two things. At the time of be making my meta case, Mocsta had already posted a ton without calling anyone scummy; just making careful posts and not giving a solid read on anyone. This is indicative of his early game scum play from both NMM 37 and Hydra I. As town he throws out reads left and right constantly and ACTUALLY MAKES CASES to follow up with his reads and endless lines of questioning, which he hasn't done here. He votes for us here without actually even calling us scum---obviously amounts to the same thing but rubs me the wrong way.


Another random interesting meta tidbit to mention is Mocsta often enters a thread with much fanfare and hysteria, regardless of alignment (though MORE likely to do so as town.)
Hydra mini I (scum) - was there when the game started, lots of trolling, lots of joking around.
The Game (town) - replaced sandro after a day or so, lots of joking, calling people scum, whatnot.
Nomination (town) - jovial lighthearted posting style, throwing votes and shit around at game entry.
NMM 37 (scum) - Enters the thread with lighthearted tone and RNG fluff.

This game he was not around when the game started, and you'll notice he did NOT joke around at all, rather he got supersrs right from the get-go. I believe this is because entering a game late as scum, he missed the 'permissible first few hours joking-around period' and doesn't want to start fooling around when people are actually having discussion for fear he will look scummy for trying to derail. NOTE: He had NO problem joking around in the middle of The Game when he entered because he was town and had no reason to be afraid or look guilty.


Make of this case what you will for now. I might be able to expand on it further with better proof (especially since people are unlikely to go sifting through his meta themselves). CC was asking me to post this much earlier when the discussion was happening but I didn't want to derail trying to learn what I could at the time. I figure it's better out than in right now especially given thread sentiment. I'm going to attempt to study then go to bed but I might be able to check back on the thread a couple more times.
The only viable point in the whole case is perhaps the Mocsta not giving reads freely; in my memory, Mocsta was very willing to give reads in NMM37 (as for Hydra mini I don't remember as I read that game but wasn't terribly invested in it). One of his major points is that Mocsta didn't instantly enter joking around but in 3/4ths of the games he posted Mocsta joked around heavily in. This is not and was not a case made to be appreciated or noticed. It was a case to be made just get pressure off of him and nothing else.

I don't see why more people can't hop on the Geript Wagon of Justice (TM). Wave isn't approaching things from a towny aspect and isn't showing himself to be consistent with his town meta (no scum meta yet available). He also isn't approaching things in any sort of natural towny mentality or mindset. He's totes scum brahs
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