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FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 14 2013 17:51 GMT
#861
Well that's Oats, but ok. and WoC?

~marv
Artanis & marv
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 14 2013 17:54 GMT
#862
nvm about WoC I guess lol...just read his filter doesn't seem as scummy today
kush
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 14 2013 17:54 GMT
#863
##unvote
##vote raynemaster

kush
Kush and Vivax
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-14 17:58:53
April 14 2013 17:58 GMT
#864
Vote Count:

WaveofCheesecake (2): MockArmor, InsertSmurfHere
Raynmaster (2): John Matrix, Vivax420
Vivax420 (1): FondleMyButtocks
NeutralSrvivingBalrog (1): FiveTouch
ShotgunBiceps (1): Raynmaster
FiveTouch (1): NeutralSrvivngBalrog

Not Voting (3): SamuelLJackson, ShotgunBiceps, WaveofCheesecake

Please message me if I made a mistake. Currently, SamuelLJackson, ShotgunBiceps and WaveofCheesecake are set for modkill.

Four hours until deadline.
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 18:09 GMT
#865
Ack sorry got really busy yesterday and wasn't around the computer. Anyway I'm gonna filter and see who I want to lynch.

At first thought, Balrog seems ideal. I don't know about Drazerk is an eternal quagmire to me, but we've gotten almost nothing from the SnB half of the hydra, and that's very rare for a town SnB.

Either way there are two other mafia even if I'm right, so gotta find those.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 18:10 GMT
#866
Also who posted that vote on me? Was that Rayn or Oats?
Hapahauli/jampidampi
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
April 14 2013 18:12 GMT
#867
I've around 30 minutes and Sandro is still not here. I haven't been able to discuss basically anything with him so far and it's incredibly annoying. I think I'll rather lynch FMB today since drazerk's appearance in the thread looks suicidal and I've actual content based reasons for lynching FMB. Neither SnB or Prom tend to completely disappear as mafia, so perhaps they really aren't around. I assume that Sandro will be around for the deadline to give his own input and to move the vote if necessary.

##vote FondleMyButtocks

Marvel: if you have something to discuss, now is the time
InsertSmurfHere
Profile Joined March 2013
288 Posts
April 14 2013 18:13 GMT
#868
Prome completely disappeared as mafia in LX
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 14 2013 18:14 GMT
#869
I'd lynch Neutralsurvivingbalrog. Mostly a policy lynch but I'd do it.
kush
Kush and Vivax
John Matrix
Profile Joined October 2012
163 Posts
April 14 2013 18:14 GMT
#870
On April 15 2013 03:09 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Ack sorry got really busy yesterday and wasn't around the computer. Anyway I'm gonna filter and see who I want to lynch.

At first thought, Balrog seems ideal. I don't know about Drazerk is an eternal quagmire to me, but we've gotten almost nothing from the SnB half of the hydra, and that's very rare for a town SnB.

Either way there are two other mafia even if I'm right, so gotta find those.


This is a misrepresentation of snb's townplay. He is usually lurky and useless on dag 1 in my experience.
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 18:14 GMT
#871
Ok I can do that

##Vote FondleMyButtox

Was about to post that he's been pretty useless, and a useless Prome has a high chance of flipping red.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 18:15 GMT
#872
On April 15 2013 03:14 John Matrix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 03:09 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Ack sorry got really busy yesterday and wasn't around the computer. Anyway I'm gonna filter and see who I want to lynch.

At first thought, Balrog seems ideal. I don't know about Drazerk is an eternal quagmire to me, but we've gotten almost nothing from the SnB half of the hydra, and that's very rare for a town SnB.

Either way there are two other mafia even if I'm right, so gotta find those.


This is a misrepresentation of snb's townplay. He is usually lurky and useless on dag 1 in my experience.


In the more recent town games I've played with him, he's been fairly spammy early on. Certainly useless, but more active.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 14 2013 18:19 GMT
#873
Here's my main issue with FMB, and I get that some of you may call me silly.

Seems like the trend of the thread, as far as I'm aware, has been meandering along towards an FMB lynch for some time. If he's mafia, is he really that far gone that the other mafia haven't tried to significantly push an alternate lynch?

Seems like we're just gonna lynch FMB and that's that, no real questions asked.

syllo, what do you make of this? If I remember correctly you're usually pretty aware of these things. Palmar too.

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 14 2013 18:20 GMT
#874
On April 15 2013 03:10 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Also who posted that vote on me? Was that Rayn or Oats?


Almost certainly rayn, lol.

~marv
Artanis & marv
John Matrix
Profile Joined October 2012
163 Posts
April 14 2013 18:21 GMT
#875
##unvote
##vote fondlemybuttocks

FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 14 2013 18:22 GMT
#876
On April 15 2013 03:21 John Matrix wrote:
##unvote
##vote fondlemybuttocks



Wasn't quite the addressing of my fears that I was hoping for dear.

~marv
Artanis & marv
InsertSmurfHere
Profile Joined March 2013
288 Posts
April 14 2013 18:23 GMT
#877
So I mentioned earlier that I'm not 100% sold on my town read of syllo, when in reality it was actually kind of weak. After rereading FMB's filter and looking over Mock, I don't know how much I really want to lynch either of them today.

So in re-evaluating, Syllo looks a lot worse. Observe:

On April 13 2013 18:31 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 18:12 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
On April 13 2013 18:03 SamuelLJackson wrote:
It feels like marv is genuinely incredulous at the fact hapa is making some of the accusations and both of them have posted some content. Nothing seems to stand out so far so I don't think they are a priority at all right now.

Who do you think is the priority right now?

Players who haven't by the time of lynch produced meaningful content despite being here and the game being a hydra game. In a hydra format players should be more confident in sharing their thoughts and lacking the need to comment on irrelevant things as they can discuss things with their partner. Meanwhile mafia still feels the pressure of posting.

WaveOfCheesecake's has a bunch of fluff, but also a few serious posts that don't give me the impression of a curious townie. His read on you somewhat point towards the other way though regardless of your alignment.

Perhaps this doesn't quite apply to Syllo himself since sandro is apparently AFK, but up to this point, syllo's contributions to the thread, while appearing reasonable, were fairly irrelevant.

For reference:

On April 13 2013 16:34 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 08:58 John Matrix wrote:
ok I just got modconfirmed town so my work here is done. Syllo will explain why I'm confirmed tomorrow. If he doesn't he's scum.

See you, I'm gonna go watch the watchmen again.

Because most* hosts are terrible** and only make jokes and interact with players who are town. This literally happens every game.

*everyone except you
**no offense intended


This post has some clear reason to exist, as Palmar did request it specifically, so it's excusable.

On April 13 2013 16:51 SamuelLJackson wrote:
How about we have either have everyone nuke themselves? It's seems very likely that at least mafia has a nuke, and possibly both mafia and town. It's 8-3, but, without taking nukes into account, that doesn't impact the number of mislynches we have, and therefore I think it's very unlikely that mafia has no roles given how much everyone being a hydra favors town. With this assumption at worst we get a 1-1 trade and if there's an anti-nuker, we could even decide to save one.


By that logic, then, this is his first organic contribution to the thread. I'm leery of this, knowing how much I generally despise set-up talk, ESPECIALLY at that point in the game when there is plenty of information at hand to generate reads from.

On April 13 2013 17:15 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 15:32 MockArmor wrote:
On April 13 2013 14:33 FiveTouch wrote:
Also is that the only question you have? I find it hard to believe that the entire body of your thoughts hinge on the answer to that question.

The disappointing aspect of the game is that we have a bunch of people waiting for better scumhunters to "carry" them. And yet, their lack of participation makes it that much harder to find scum (like half the people in the game, so they can't all be scum...).

At the time of this post the game had been going on for less than 8 hours; did you genuinely find the thread worse than usual and their posting indicative of them waiting for others to "carry" them? Can you make a list of players (should be easy since you suggested that there were many) who you thought were doing this? You named one, but that was just a person who prima facie left due to time zone constraints.


This post seems fairly pointless. He seems to be starting to suspect Mock, but he actually draws no conclusions about alignment with this post.

On April 13 2013 17:30 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Palmar any thoughts on WaveOfCheesecake?


At the time I called this a town tell, but a weak one. It's bascially the basis of my town read on him.

On April 13 2013 18:03 SamuelLJackson wrote:
It feels like marv is genuinely incredulous at the fact hapa is making some of the accusations and both of them have posted some content. Nothing seems to stand out so far so I don't think they are a priority at all right now.


This also contains little in the way of real conclusions about alignment. They are "not a priority" but does that make them town reads or just null reads? Thus, Hapa's question, and the post I began this case with where syllo gives his scumhunting metric this game:

On April 13 2013 18:31 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 18:12 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
On April 13 2013 18:03 SamuelLJackson wrote:
It feels like marv is genuinely incredulous at the fact hapa is making some of the accusations and both of them have posted some content. Nothing seems to stand out so far so I don't think they are a priority at all right now.

Who do you think is the priority right now?

Players who haven't by the time of lynch produced meaningful content despite being here and the game being a hydra game. In a hydra format players should be more confident in sharing their thoughts and lacking the need to comment on irrelevant things as they can discuss things with their partner. Meanwhile mafia still feels the pressure of posting.

WaveOfCheesecake's has a bunch of fluff, but also a few serious posts that don't give me the impression of a curious townie. His read on you somewhat point towards the other way though regardless of your alignment.


What is is sole scumhunt tactic? If you read into it, it's actually fucking lurker lynching, and he's stuck with that all the ay up to his latest post:

On April 15 2013 00:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
NeutralSrvivngBalrog and FondleMyButtocks you two have around 4 hours to make yourself useful.

WaveOfCheesecake: Mockarmor isn't happening today; who do you actually want to lynch. Essentially your whole filter relates to mockarmor directly or indirectly.


It seems like he's only interested in lynching between the two lurkiest candidates. Most of the rest of his filter is giving out town reads and throwing "general" suspicion at players like myself and WoC.

Has he voted yet? No. By his own metric, he is a good lynch, because the amount of "worthwhile content" he has produced is very low, and not at all what I would expect from a town Syllogism.
John Matrix
Profile Joined October 2012
163 Posts
April 14 2013 18:24 GMT
#878
On April 15 2013 03:22 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 03:21 John Matrix wrote:
##unvote
##vote fondlemybuttocks



Wasn't quite the addressing of my fears that I was hoping for dear.

~marv


cba posting on this shit device.

We can talk later
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 18:25 GMT
#879
Yeah see the thing with Rayn's vote is that it reminds me a lot of his attitude in his Newbie game (as scum). He was really cocky and brash, where as in his town game in RED Team, he seemed a lot more sheepy/whiney.

I also am trying to figure out how he went from this:
I don't think FT is scummy anymore. I read Hydra 1 and this game VE posts and VE was quite different in that game from what i can tell. Oats is saying the same thing.

I can't be around @ the deadline, i consider NSB / FMB / VIVAX420 the scummiest atm. Vivax only because i can't understand much they are saying. Oats gotta decide who we gonna lynch.


To this...
##Vote: ShotgunBiceps

For going after VE (which in itself is not scummy) and later on backing off from the read with a response that "the case was half-forced in the first place" when people find this suspicious.


... in the course of an hour.

Either way, I do want to lynch FMB today unless they start posting more. Not as sure on Reyn.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 14 2013 18:25 GMT
#880
yamato, while some of your concerns about syllogism may be valid (VE and I are both uncomfortable at how little he's leading/pushing town), a lot of what you talk about is just how syllogism talks stylistically.

~marv
Artanis & marv
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