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Vatican City State88 Posts
raynpeli
No I'm accusing you of trying to contribute in the thread without providing accountability. This is because your entire dialogue with your "scum read" is subject to change pending on discussion with oats.
That's bullshit. Full stop.
Further, the exchange with *your/raynpeli* scum read, five touch. Does not even read as if you are talking to someone you are suspicious of.
Thirdly. Let's pretend you were genuinely suspicious of five touch. Why the need to consult with oats regarding your scum read. You should be engaging and probing fiveotuch as much as you can. Instead you are reaponding to questions he asking of you. In addition to hiding all accountability behind oats.
This is scummy shit, and again the whole exchange does not read to me as if you are talking to a scum read.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
Hi guys. I'm about to start the unenviable task of filtering to try to find who I really want to lynch. Mostly the thread has been a blur of mysterious arguments to me.
Mockarmor/raynmaster - could you summarise in like 3-4 bulletpoints with 1 sentence explanations exactly why you think the other is mafia? Everything is so spread out, basically I just want to know what you both think you're seeing that I should be looking for. Ta.
~marv
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JuSt read up to palmate giant list post in the way to the gym. I think he's town, scum palmar wouldn't write that much and scum palmar would know that posting a giant add summary list would just bring suspicion to him.
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I really really dislike Mocsta's attitude towards cooperation and 'words'.
But this feels like Town Mocsta unfortunately, I would like to lynch scum mocsta acting like this but meh.
(180 DOODS. actually no, so fuck off)
He continues to misunderstand stuff and generally get all up in someone's face, yeah town mocsta.
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NeutralSrvivngBalrog and FondleMyButtocks you two have around 4 hours to make yourself useful.
WaveOfCheesecake: Mockarmor isn't happening today; who do you actually want to lynch. Essentially your whole filter relates to mockarmor directly or indirectly.
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I'm in the same boat as Marv.
People I am not willing to lynch: FT/Shotgun/JM/SLJ/Vivax
That leaves:
Raynmaster/MockArmor/Balrog/FMB/WoC
Mock is involved in the most idiotic arguing in the game and seems to want to perpetuate the fighting with both WoC and Rayn. I actually feel that out of the three actives in this group, they are the most likely to be mafia.
WoC actually seems more townish throughout this whole ordeal, since I think they've made more of an effort to clarify their stance and actually make a case on Mock, even if the meta argument is weak.
Rayn is a fucking tossup, and I'm not at all sure of their alignment. I would rather not lynch into them yet.
Balrog is a lurker lynch that I'd rather avoid, but simply by process of elimination has to be mafia if I'm right about all my town reads. That said, it's probably better to lynch a more active person, as a rule of thumb.
Prom's hydra looks pretty awful. They've done almost nothing today, and I know Prom as someone that likes to get into the thick of things. What they have done is also not what I call good scum hunting, so it's a decent tell that they are lazy scum.
Out of this comes two choices for lynch. Next post I decide which of Mock and Fondle is the better lynch.
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I still don't get the vivax town read, and sammy is scum. But we can deal with that later. Buttocks I agree with you on and I'm perfectly fine with killing him, pending final reading of day 1.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
Reading MockArmor's filter was really difficult. Why does GK talk like some faux-aristocrat?
"who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore" ... "We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle."
I hope he doesn't talk like this in real life, or if he does, his friends punch him in the face for doing so. Has this really long pointless bout of questioning with rayn that leads absolutely nowhere, then WoC is mafia even though his questions on rayn were never satisfactorily answered. This seems weird to me.
But it's all so much of a mindfuck to me that I don't think I can be confident in any sort of read on him today. Might well be mafia, but meh.
~marv
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On April 15 2013 00:45 John Matrix wrote:
I still don't get the vivax town read, and sammy is scum. But we can deal with that later. Buttocks I agree with you on and I'm perfectly fine with killing him, pending final reading of day 1.
Hey Palmar, if you're convinced SLJ is mafia, does this factor in at all to who you want to be pushing today? FMB has been SLJ's most consistent push today, no?
~marv
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I'm less confident of my Sam town read than anything else on the list, so you might be able to convince me there. I did not like him wanting to discount a town read on me for my single post.
The Vivax town read is a meta read of Vivax coupled with Kush actually getting emotionally involved in one post at some point and showing his colors.
I think we can kill the Buttocks. I'll talk with geript if he's here and see what he thinks, but I'm fine with that idea.
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On April 14 2013 23:34 MockArmor wrote:
raynpeli
No I'm accusing you of trying to contribute in the thread without providing accountability. This is because your entire dialogue with your "scum read" is subject to change pending on discussion with oats.
That's bullshit. Full stop.
Further, the exchange with *your/raynpeli* scum read, five touch. Does not even read as if you are talking to someone you are suspicious of.
Thirdly. Let's pretend you were genuinely suspicious of five touch. Why the need to consult with oats regarding your scum read. You should be engaging and probing fiveotuch as much as you can. Instead you are reaponding to questions he asking of you. In addition to hiding all accountability behind oats.
This is scummy shit, and again the whole exchange does not read to me as if you are talking to a scum read.
I can't question marv about things VE said, and that was the only thing i wanted to question them about. I don't think you should not answer questions from people you think are scummy, but if you think so there's nothing i can do about it. I just explained marv what i thought at that time when he asked me about it. Had it been VE questioning me i would have acted differently.
I don't think FT is scummy anymore. I read Hydra 1 and this game VE posts and VE was quite different in that game from what i can tell. Oats is saying the same thing.
I can't be around @ the deadline, i consider NSB / FMB / VIVAX420 the scummiest atm. Vivax only because i can't understand much they are saying. Oats gotta decide who we gonna lynch.
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On April 15 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 00:45 John Matrix wrote:
I still don't get the vivax town read, and sammy is scum. But we can deal with that later. Buttocks I agree with you on and I'm perfectly fine with killing him, pending final reading of day 1. Hey Palmar, if you're convinced SLJ is mafia, does this factor in at all to who you want to be pushing today? FMB has been SLJ's most consistent push today, no? ~marv
Not at all. I think I wrote a post on it somewhere in some post-game or something, or maybe I mentioned it in the video.
Making associative tells based on information that you don't have is simply giving weapons to the mafia. I may be wrong on one or the other, maybe one is throwing the other in front of the bus, who knows?
It's generally best to make reads based on people's own posts, not allow a third party to become part of your feeling towards another player.
For example, I would in addition to those two be willing to lynch the Balrog and Vivax, so I'm clearly wrong on at least one read, since they cannot all be scum. I don't know which one of these I'm wrong on, so it'd be strictly stupid to discount anyone that one of these four players pushes.
Hell, add in that DP is pretty convinced reynmaster is mafia, so that'd be 5 people whose targets we can't attack? Ridiculous.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On April 15 2013 01:03 John Matrix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:On April 15 2013 00:45 John Matrix wrote:
I still don't get the vivax town read, and sammy is scum. But we can deal with that later. Buttocks I agree with you on and I'm perfectly fine with killing him, pending final reading of day 1. Hey Palmar, if you're convinced SLJ is mafia, does this factor in at all to who you want to be pushing today? FMB has been SLJ's most consistent push today, no? ~marv Not at all. I think I wrote a post on it somewhere in some post-game or something, or maybe I mentioned it in the video. Making associative tells based on information that you don't have is simply giving weapons to the mafia. I may be wrong on one or the other, maybe one is throwing the other in front of the bus, who knows? It's generally best to make reads based on people's own posts, not allow a third party to become part of your feeling towards another player. For example, I would in addition to those two be willing to lynch the Balrog and Vivax, so I'm clearly wrong on at least one read, since they cannot all be scum. I don't know which one of these I'm wrong on, so it'd be strictly stupid to discount anyone that one of these four players pushes. Hell, add in that DP is pretty convinced reynmaster is mafia, so that'd be 5 people whose targets we can't attack? Ridiculous.
Fair enough, I mainly mentioned it because you sound quite convinced that SLJ is mafia. It was possible how sure you were meant maybe you would make associative tells like that.
I've not gone back over FMB yet, one thing that worries me is that I know Prome generally has little time and phagga is *never* active on the weekends. Gonna want to find much more than inactivity I guess.
~marv
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to be perfectly fair it also worries me how little your other head is invested.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On April 15 2013 01:15 John Matrix wrote:
to be perfectly fair it also worries me how little your other head is invested.
Then you're pretty blind.
~marv
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
Honestly I don't feel massively strongly about FMB either. One thing I didn't like in particular:
On April 14 2013 05:16 FondleMyButtocks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:39 VIVAX420 wrote:
Fmb is scum. That balrog dude's inactivity is starting to look scummy too.
-vivax you haven't given a reason on why you think we're scum besides "bad case". Even if the case would be bad (i leave that up to prom to debate), you should be aware that townies can make bad cases too. So what exactly makes us scum?
phagga is basically pawning off responsibility for the case that their hydra made on to the other half of the hydra. I particularly don't like it because according to Prome, Vivax420 is phagga's main scumread as well, so he should be willing to defend the case on him. Not a peep though.
~marv
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
I'm back. rayn you're gonna have to explain your suspicion of me. You say I panicked when Palmar shot off the nuke. I'd like to know why you think so, and why that indicates that I'm scum to you.
I'll tell you that the reason I said "Lynch them if that's real" was that anyone who insta-shoot a real nuke with no discussion is scummy as fuck. If we had gotten a host notification that the nuke was real, my vote would have INSTANTLY gone to JM, because by my estimation if Palmar/DP shot a nuke like that, it meant they were scum.
Now, I'm curious to know why you think I panicked when the shot went off, because I think I reacted fairly well considering I had an inherent fear of being insta-nuked anyway because Draz is in the game. XD But even if you think I panicked, why does that indicate that I'm scum? Would a townie who is told that a nuke is heading his way not "panic" as well? I just can't understand the reasoning for your assertions.
Oh, and I'm back bitches. Scum, panic because I'm not hungover.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On April 15 2013 01:15 John Matrix wrote:
to be perfectly fair it also worries me how little your other head is invested.
YOU GO TO HELL! YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE!!!
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
Please, by all means, everyone fuck off simultaneously the moment I return. -.-
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On April 15 2013 01:24 FiveTouch wrote:
I'm back. rayn you're gonna have to explain your suspicion of me. You say I panicked when Palmar shot off the nuke. I'd like to know why you think so, and why that indicates that I'm scum to you.
I'll tell you that the reason I said "Lynch them if that's real" was that anyone who insta-shoot a real nuke with no discussion is scummy as fuck. If we had gotten a host notification that the nuke was real, my vote would have INSTANTLY gone to JM, because by my estimation if Palmar/DP shot a nuke like that, it meant they were scum.
Now, I'm curious to know why you think I panicked when the shot went off, because I think I reacted fairly well considering I had an inherent fear of being insta-nuked anyway because Draz is in the game. XD But even if you think I panicked, why does that indicate that I'm scum? Would a townie who is told that a nuke is heading his way not "panic" as well? I just can't understand the reasoning for your assertions.
Oh, and I'm back bitches. Scum, panic because I'm not hungover.
I thought about what i would have said had i been nuked. My first impression would be "wow, what the hell is this and why?". I would have questioned Palmar about his reasons for the nuke, not instantly yelling "KILL THE FUCKER IF IT'S REAL!!"
I understand everyone does not approach these situations the same way, but i found your response to Palmar scummy.
I don't see why you would assume Palmar was real with the nuke in the first place unless you are mafia and think Palmar has some strong reasons to believe you are mafia.
##Vote: ShotgunBiceps
For going after VE (which in itself is not scummy) and later on backing off from the read with a response that "the case was half-forced in the first place" when people find this suspicious.
Then there is the thing with Vivax. This is a thing i find extremely suspicious:
On April 13 2013 15:56 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Haven't read much any of Vivax's games, care to give me some examples where who does this?
Vivax is a scum read of his, someone points out that Vivax does that stuff as town aswell.
1) It's not their job to give you the filters. SB should himself look for the filters and see if it matches or not.
2) After this he backs up from the accusation. If i'm reading correctly the accusation was not based on meta in the first place so why back off from it? Just because someone says Vivax is dumb as town aswell? It makes no sense.
After this there is really nothing SB has done. I can't see thinking anyone is scum.
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