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On April 07 2013 15:21 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 15:10 sciberbia wrote:
marv has seen me play a lot, and I don't think my play this game has been that different from other games where I've been town. Marv should know that I like posting fluffy setup stuff as town, and overall I think he should be able to read me as town, or at the very least not have a scumread. But I suppose it's possible we both just overestimate each other and that he is impatient and doesn't think like me.
Even before the wagon on me, I was leaning scum on marv based on some things earlier in the game. I think there's a decent chance he's scum.What?
Is this like the 'You should BE ABLE TO SEE THAT I AM TOWN', scumtell thing? Cause thats is absolute bullshit and inaccurate. Do you have ANY REASONS why marv is scum? or are you just bullshitting? The one above ISNT.
Yes I just explained one significant reason I have for thinking marv is scum.
He has a lot of scum motivation for trying to get me lynched on Palmar's wagon.
I would expect a town marv to have more reservations about lynching me for fear of losing a town scib. He had almost no reasons for voting me, and the one original reason he provided was very bad imo.
I just explained this.
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On April 07 2013 15:21 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 15:10 sciberbia wrote:
marv has seen me play a lot, and I don't think my play this game has been that different from other games where I've been town. Marv should know that I like posting fluffy setup stuff as town, and overall I think he should be able to read me as town, or at the very least not have a scumread. But I suppose it's possible we both just overestimate each other and that he is impatient and doesn't think like me.
Even before the wagon on me, I was leaning scum on marv based on some things earlier in the game. I think there's a decent chance he's scum.What?
Is this like the 'You should BE ABLE TO SEE THAT I AM TOWN', scumtell thing? Cause thats is absolute bullshit and inaccurate. Do you have ANY REASONS why marv is scum? or are you just bullshitting? The one above ISNT.
Also the "YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THAT OATS IS TOWN" scumtell
is pretty much the exact scumtell marv was using on me.
Do you think that was bullshit as well?
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Vote Count:
sciberbia (2): raynpelikoneet, Oatsmaster
WaveofShadow (2): Tunkeg, prplhz
prplhz (2): iamperfection, WaveofShadow
marvellosity (2): Ace, DarthPunk
Not voting (4): sciberbia, marvellosity, Palmar, AxleGreaser
7 votes needed to lynch.
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On April 07 2013 15:25 sciberbia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 15:05 Oatsmaster wrote:sleeping is good ##UnvoteHey guys, about Sciberia and DP. They clearly DONT CARE what I have to say in response to them. I responded to DP's case. IGNORED. I posted more stuff about Sciberia. IGNORED. Again about Sciberia lets hammer this scum. Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 08:44 sciberbia wrote:goddammit. Just had a nice post typed out and my computer crashed. I will summarize
I still don't think WoS is scum. His death posts felt fine and a few recent lines in his filter just feel genuine to me: + Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
I could vote prplhz, but how can I be sure that isn't just his 'typical play' as Oats previously told me? On April 07 2013 03:24 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 02:27 prplhz wrote:
##Vote WaveofShadow
busy might post more later. palmar and marv both on this one so it's probably good. skimmed tunkeg's case and it looked alright though i didn't really get all of it. When I die, look here. On April 06 2013 10:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
I still have a lot of trouble with the idea that there are people we can just 'let do their thing' and if anyone actually suspects them before that point it's scummy. I can't see myself ever getting used to that idea.
On April 07 2013 03:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Personally all the business with Oats/DP/iamp/whoever just seems to me like townies going at townies. DP seems very town to me sepcifically.
In this game I think scum are much more likely to be in the lurky category. Prplhz and Ace/Axle? Tunkeg's case didnt' do much for me. Some of his points weren't scumtells (paragraph 1) and others were misrepresenting what happened in the thread (paragraphs 2,3,4). My only gripe with WoS is his generally low activity before he had like 6 votes but overall I'm still thinking town and I wouldn't be happy lynching him today.
prplh'z vote on WoS reminded me of his unabashed pile-on onto Forumite D1 in Dwarf Mini. He still has hardly done anything and I'd be alright with lynching him today. But seeing as we have no time limit, I'd still like to hear more from him before hanging him. @marv I was confused by your refusal to lynch prplhz today, because the only two games I've read with you and prplhz on D1 (Dwarf Mini and that game you were mayor), prplhz played similarly to this game, you voted him, and he was scum. What's different about this game that makes him a bad lynch?
Palmar, not getting lynched today is one of my top priorities, so I'd be interested in having some discussion with you and hopefully help you see the light. What do you want me to address? Also I think I owe Axle an answer to something. Going back through his filter now. Wtf what is this post that PUSHES NOTHING. Its REACTIVE not proactive. Scum are reactive. Town are proactive. He talks about WoS in LENGTH and defends him for no bloody reason when it was clear that he was not very close to being lynched. ##Vote Sci
Wagon on marv is stupid. Why is he scum? ALL THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR HIM? Im assuming Palmar's is a pressure vote but the rest, Im not so sure. @Oats I didn't see anything that I thought was worth responding to. You added to your case on me with some points which I thought were clearly not very good. + Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 23:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Time to hammer Scib INTO THE GROUND. or rope in this case. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 05:58 sciberbia wrote:Alright marv let's talk about Oats. I went through the first few pages of his town filter from Red Team, and here is what I found significant: - He often asked other people for reads. He does that this game too. Minor townie point.
- He doesn't seem too concerned with what other people think of him. This means my previous point about him trying to make a safe entry to the thread isn't all that valid. I don't think Oats is the type of person who would be that concerned about it as either alignment.
- Doesn't make any pointless criticisms of other players, which he does do a bit this game
- One of my favorite qualities in comparing filters is how "on point" the players posts are. Is he posting just to post, or are his posts right in line with the big issues in the thread? In his red team filter, his posts seem very on point. They all have clear purpose, and go somewhere. I see significantly more "out there" posts in his filter this game.
Also, I missed this before, but either he somehow misunderstood what I was saying, or this part of his case against me is quite a reach. Want to ask him about it, but he's apparently gone for 16+ hours. + Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 01:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
The questions are not even meant to elicit a proper response, they are questions to try and get the subject, in this case, marv angry and DISRUPT the thread like BH. When this is his only contribution, Its looking really bad.
Overall, reading his previous filter hasn't changed my read on him. I'm still leaning scum. I assume you disagree based on your telling me to read his previous filter. Can you explain why? This 'analysis' is mostly summary and I dont see ANYTHING of the sciberia that was nk'ed early in THE GAME. Show nested quote +[*] One of my favorite qualities in comparing filters is how "on point" the players posts are. Is he posting just to post, or are his posts right in line with the big issues in the thread? In his red team filter, his posts seem very on point. They all have clear purpose, and go somewhere. I see significantly more "out there" posts in his filter this game.
Especially this, it feels like the 'criteria' that iGrok had in MTG2 where you fit posts into slots. (iGrok was scum btw) He also didnt bother to check his meta read against any other games that I played. He has had a low impact in the thread so far and again, doesnt feel like the town sciberia im used to seeing. And I do remember expanding on my thoughts on WoS because you and marv had an issue with them. I disagree that WoS was not close to being lynched. Marv and Palmar agreed that he was scummy. IMO that put him in DANGER territory. Also, there was some talk about a scib/WoS connection, so I thought it would be good to make it clear where I stood on WoS and why my previous posts were so 'nice' about him. I had not zero not one but two townie motivations for sharing that townread. Yes I was catching up with the thread. Hence I was reacting to the things in the thread that I was reading. I don't know why this is a problem. I'm "reacting" to your most recent post right now. It doesn't make me scum. Oats, all bravado aside, on a scale from 0% to 100% how confident are you that I am scum?
Marv and Palmar unvoted WoS BEFORE you made that post
IIRC
Explaining townreads in full detail IMO isnt a townie move. How confident are you that WoS is town?
Oats, all bravado aside, on a scale from 0% to 100% how confident are you that I am scum?
close to 100%.
You arent scumhunting.
You dont want to find out who is scum.
You avoided pissing anyone off(joke k DP)
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On April 07 2013 15:40 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 15:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 07 2013 15:10 sciberbia wrote:
marv has seen me play a lot, and I don't think my play this game has been that different from other games where I've been town. Marv should know that I like posting fluffy setup stuff as town, and overall I think he should be able to read me as town, or at the very least not have a scumread. But I suppose it's possible we both just overestimate each other and that he is impatient and doesn't think like me.
Even before the wagon on me, I was leaning scum on marv based on some things earlier in the game. I think there's a decent chance he's scum.What?
Is this like the 'You should BE ABLE TO SEE THAT I AM TOWN', scumtell thing? Cause thats is absolute bullshit and inaccurate. Do you have ANY REASONS why marv is scum? or are you just bullshitting? The one above ISNT. Also the "YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THAT OATS IS TOWN" scumtell is pretty much the exact scumtell marv was using on me. Do you think that was bullshit as well?
Yes yes I think that is bullshit as well.
However Marv is sleeping and you arent.
Right ok so the main reason you think that marv is scum is because he thinks you are scum because you shouldve read me as town.
RIGHT.
And Palmar did that to marv as well.
So is Palmar scum too? Or is it just marv?
1 reason alone does not make someone scum.
DP response to my response on your case please.
You are IGNORING whatever I said.
good job I say, GOOD JOB.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 15:54 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 15:25 sciberbia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 15:05 Oatsmaster wrote:sleeping is good ##UnvoteHey guys, about Sciberia and DP. They clearly DONT CARE what I have to say in response to them. I responded to DP's case. IGNORED. I posted more stuff about Sciberia. IGNORED. Again about Sciberia lets hammer this scum. Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 08:44 sciberbia wrote:goddammit. Just had a nice post typed out and my computer crashed. I will summarize
I still don't think WoS is scum. His death posts felt fine and a few recent lines in his filter just feel genuine to me: + Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
I could vote prplhz, but how can I be sure that isn't just his 'typical play' as Oats previously told me? On April 07 2013 03:24 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 02:27 prplhz wrote:
##Vote WaveofShadow
busy might post more later. palmar and marv both on this one so it's probably good. skimmed tunkeg's case and it looked alright though i didn't really get all of it. When I die, look here. On April 06 2013 10:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
I still have a lot of trouble with the idea that there are people we can just 'let do their thing' and if anyone actually suspects them before that point it's scummy. I can't see myself ever getting used to that idea.
On April 07 2013 03:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Personally all the business with Oats/DP/iamp/whoever just seems to me like townies going at townies. DP seems very town to me sepcifically.
In this game I think scum are much more likely to be in the lurky category. Prplhz and Ace/Axle? Tunkeg's case didnt' do much for me. Some of his points weren't scumtells (paragraph 1) and others were misrepresenting what happened in the thread (paragraphs 2,3,4). My only gripe with WoS is his generally low activity before he had like 6 votes but overall I'm still thinking town and I wouldn't be happy lynching him today.
prplh'z vote on WoS reminded me of his unabashed pile-on onto Forumite D1 in Dwarf Mini. He still has hardly done anything and I'd be alright with lynching him today. But seeing as we have no time limit, I'd still like to hear more from him before hanging him. @marv I was confused by your refusal to lynch prplhz today, because the only two games I've read with you and prplhz on D1 (Dwarf Mini and that game you were mayor), prplhz played similarly to this game, you voted him, and he was scum. What's different about this game that makes him a bad lynch?
Palmar, not getting lynched today is one of my top priorities, so I'd be interested in having some discussion with you and hopefully help you see the light. What do you want me to address? Also I think I owe Axle an answer to something. Going back through his filter now. Wtf what is this post that PUSHES NOTHING. Its REACTIVE not proactive. Scum are reactive. Town are proactive. He talks about WoS in LENGTH and defends him for no bloody reason when it was clear that he was not very close to being lynched. ##Vote Sci
Wagon on marv is stupid. Why is he scum? ALL THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR HIM? Im assuming Palmar's is a pressure vote but the rest, Im not so sure. @Oats I didn't see anything that I thought was worth responding to. You added to your case on me with some points which I thought were clearly not very good. + Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 23:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Time to hammer Scib INTO THE GROUND. or rope in this case. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 05:58 sciberbia wrote:Alright marv let's talk about Oats. I went through the first few pages of his town filter from Red Team, and here is what I found significant: - He often asked other people for reads. He does that this game too. Minor townie point.
- He doesn't seem too concerned with what other people think of him. This means my previous point about him trying to make a safe entry to the thread isn't all that valid. I don't think Oats is the type of person who would be that concerned about it as either alignment.
- Doesn't make any pointless criticisms of other players, which he does do a bit this game
- One of my favorite qualities in comparing filters is how "on point" the players posts are. Is he posting just to post, or are his posts right in line with the big issues in the thread? In his red team filter, his posts seem very on point. They all have clear purpose, and go somewhere. I see significantly more "out there" posts in his filter this game.
Also, I missed this before, but either he somehow misunderstood what I was saying, or this part of his case against me is quite a reach. Want to ask him about it, but he's apparently gone for 16+ hours. + Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 01:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
The questions are not even meant to elicit a proper response, they are questions to try and get the subject, in this case, marv angry and DISRUPT the thread like BH. When this is his only contribution, Its looking really bad.
Overall, reading his previous filter hasn't changed my read on him. I'm still leaning scum. I assume you disagree based on your telling me to read his previous filter. Can you explain why? This 'analysis' is mostly summary and I dont see ANYTHING of the sciberia that was nk'ed early in THE GAME. Show nested quote +[*] One of my favorite qualities in comparing filters is how "on point" the players posts are. Is he posting just to post, or are his posts right in line with the big issues in the thread? In his red team filter, his posts seem very on point. They all have clear purpose, and go somewhere. I see significantly more "out there" posts in his filter this game.
Especially this, it feels like the 'criteria' that iGrok had in MTG2 where you fit posts into slots. (iGrok was scum btw) He also didnt bother to check his meta read against any other games that I played. He has had a low impact in the thread so far and again, doesnt feel like the town sciberia im used to seeing. And I do remember expanding on my thoughts on WoS because you and marv had an issue with them. I disagree that WoS was not close to being lynched. Marv and Palmar agreed that he was scummy. IMO that put him in DANGER territory. Also, there was some talk about a scib/WoS connection, so I thought it would be good to make it clear where I stood on WoS and why my previous posts were so 'nice' about him. I had not zero not one but two townie motivations for sharing that townread. Yes I was catching up with the thread. Hence I was reacting to the things in the thread that I was reading. I don't know why this is a problem. I'm "reacting" to your most recent post right now. It doesn't make me scum. Oats, all bravado aside, on a scale from 0% to 100% how confident are you that I am scum? Marv and Palmar unvoted WoS BEFORE you made that post IIRC Explaining townreads in full detail IMO isnt a townie move. How confident are you that WoS is town? Show nested quote +Oats, all bravado aside, on a scale from 0% to 100% how confident are you that I am scum? close to 100%. You arent scumhunting. You dont want to find out who is scum. You avoided pissing anyone off(joke k DP)
@Oats
Marv's vote was still on WoS. And regardless of where votes were, both marv and Palmar made it clear that WoS was in their top two, so I felt like his life was certainly in danger.
As I already said, I think that my explaining of why I think WoS is town was in town's best interests.
Hmm, well with a baseline of about 73% just based on math, I would say I'm about 83% confident that WoS is town.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 15:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 15:40 sciberbia wrote:On April 07 2013 15:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 07 2013 15:10 sciberbia wrote:
marv has seen me play a lot, and I don't think my play this game has been that different from other games where I've been town. Marv should know that I like posting fluffy setup stuff as town, and overall I think he should be able to read me as town, or at the very least not have a scumread. But I suppose it's possible we both just overestimate each other and that he is impatient and doesn't think like me.
Even before the wagon on me, I was leaning scum on marv based on some things earlier in the game. I think there's a decent chance he's scum.What?
Is this like the 'You should BE ABLE TO SEE THAT I AM TOWN', scumtell thing? Cause thats is absolute bullshit and inaccurate. Do you have ANY REASONS why marv is scum? or are you just bullshitting? The one above ISNT. Also the "YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THAT OATS IS TOWN" scumtell is pretty much the exact scumtell marv was using on me. Do you think that was bullshit as well? Yes yes I think that is bullshit as well. However Marv is sleeping and you arent. Right ok so the main reason you think that marv is scum is because he thinks you are scum because you shouldve read me as town. RIGHT. And Palmar did that to marv as well. So is Palmar scum too? Or is it just marv? 1 reason alone does not make someone scum. DP response to my response on your case please. You are IGNORING whatever I said. good job I say, GOOD JOB.
You are misrepresenting what I said about marv.
As I already explained, it was the way marv went about voting me and 'pushing' me that I found concerning, not the mere fact that marv stated a scumread on me.
As I already said, I don't think Palmar is scum.
As I already said, there are other things in marv's filter that I don't like. And for what it's worth, there is no rule that you need at least 2 reasons to think someone is scum.
Oats you are either scum or you are town and thoroughly convinced that I am scum. Either way, continuation of this discussion seems a waste of my time so I'm going to stop responding to your accusations. Feel free to address them to the rest of the thread.
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Oats I told you I was done with you. I am not getting into a flame war with you, though it seems that is what you are trying with everyone.
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On April 07 2013 16:36 DarthPunk wrote:
Oats I told you I was done with you. I am not getting into a flame war with you, though it seems that is what you are trying with everyone.
k cool .
Thats an easy way to back down from anything ever.
Any reads? I assume you changed your mind about me but you dont want to 180 in thread.
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(totally insinuating that DP is scum ^^)
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Alright I'm going to bed. Didn't get to as much filter-digging as I would of liked but here's generally where I'm at:
prplhz should be on everyone's radar for showing no interest in town on D1 which is not only scummy in and of itself, but specifically fits with his scum meta.
marv I think has a decent chance of being scum and I look forward to discussing him tomorrow.
Oats I'm pretty much still in the same spot as yesterday. I didn't think DP's case on him was that convincing because I think DP misread all of Oats's posts about iamp, and I don't think Oats's followup of his scum read on me has been lacking. But, I think he has continued to be disruptive and I didn't like how he jumped on the WoS wagon so easily, abandoning his supposedly strong scumread of me. I want to have a look at his scum games to see if he is able to keep up this level as abrasiveness as scum.
The only other person that piqued my scumdar today was Axle because he jumped both on and off of my wagon with imo weak reasoning. And he is supposed to be more active/helpful as town. I guess he is now on my suspects list.
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On April 07 2013 16:41 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 16:36 DarthPunk wrote:
Oats I told you I was done with you. I am not getting into a flame war with you, though it seems that is what you are trying with everyone. k cool . Thats an easy way to back down from anything ever. Any reads? I assume you changed your mind about me but you dont want to 180 in thread.
You and marv. When reading the thread did it actually look like I have no reads. jesus christ you are thick.
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Lets talk about marv.
1 town tell I have on him is that he defends me to the hilt.
Then again I told him that last game so maybe he took it into account.
HOWEVER, I think that he looks really involved with the game and he cares about who he wants to lynch
WoS in particular.
Thoughts everybody?
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On April 07 2013 14:03 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 13:52 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 07 2013 09:29 sciberbia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 09:16 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 23:54 sciberbia wrote:
Hey guys. I just have a few minutes.
Axle, I don't have any questions for you. I don't think anything you posted was scummy.
Palmar/marv you are wrong about my alignment. I'm busy today but in 7 or 8 hours from now I can sit down and have a chat.
I also don't know why you think I'm scum with WoS. I'm thinking town on WoS if you couldn't tell from my posts earlier. For lack of time, I'll just post my notes:
2) WaveofShadow
- claims town in first post when he knows it may draw attention
- draws attention by making multi-line posts and not spamming
- in and out of thread
- huge-ass post for no reason
- conspiracy theory (?) with Axle and Rayn
- "you got me" post about his vote on Ace
- philosophical problem with Ace/prplhz
CONCLUSION: thinking town
The distinctions I was making in this postwere fine distinctions. I was indeed 'reaching' for the idea that perhaps you were not considering why/ (what intention)/ (what thought) was behind and motivated WoS This post My post was about WoS's towny intentions. (dropping emotive stuff and leaving, i found hard to put a towny intention on) That you have still not apparently gone back and considered, why WoS made that post that I was initially concerned about, is to me concerning. In the post above, you give what I think I can loosely describe as bunch of heuristics, do this and your scum, don't do this and your not. What I don't see there is you considering the purpose of the actions. I am sorry, I just found where you did...? Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 06:47 sciberbia wrote:@WoS + Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. You do seem to be inviting Axle to give his opinion on rayn's alignment, so I think rayn's summary of your post was fair. On the other hand, Axle did seem to have misinterpreted your intentions, but I don't see why bad reading comprehension is suspicious in and of itself. I highly doubt he intentionally lied about what you said. Also, do you actually want to lynch Ace today? Just because you think he is good at scum? If I misinterpreted his intentions.... (as looking for someone to Lynch... or commenting on characteristics of people that could make them someone to Lynch, or ..) How did you interpret the intention of this Post? Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. In particular what did the graphic visual nature, do but inspire further emotive knee jerk posts? BTW writing this post Started before Scribs here and while stuff seems to be happening around the WoS Lynch for me that does not effect whether or not Scrib was considering why WoS did things. @Axle With every post I analyze I look at look at possible townie and mafia intentions behind it. I thought about WoS's post right after I read it. I'm sorry that I did not explain earlier but I was busy today. To explain why I said you misinterpreted his post: I think WoS gave no alignment read of rayn at all in the post you quoted. But you asked him On April 05 2013 13:49 AxleGreaser wrote:
Was there any reason you thought we should lynch a headless chook?
This implies that you thought WoS was personally showing interest in lynching rayn where I maintain that he wasn't. Hence why I said you misinterpreted his post. I think this topic is about done. I believe I understand why you said pretty much all of what you did. So do you want me to address your questions in the first paragraph of that post or are we cool?
Also, I'll be around reading filters for another hour or two if you/iamp want to discuss anything. I need to figure out where I stand on a few people. Top of the list are oats/marv/axle.
Well we are kind of cool, but your continued interest has peaked my interest again..
So I will try for one very specific question.
Well, as you have said
"With every post I analyze I look at look at possible townie and mafia intentions behind it. I thought about WoS's post right after I read it. I'm sorry that I did not explain earlier but I was busy today."
and ...
"To explain why I said you misinterpreted his post: I think WoS gave no alignment read of rayn at all in the post you quoted."
Then stop right there do not proceed to my reply and analyse my post...
Here is WoS's post... (the one that interested me)
On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits.
When you analysed that post, what were the "possible townie and mafia intentions behind it."
What scum was he attempting to find scum and how?
Did you for instance think he had been considering Lynching Rayn but wanted second opinion before he moved on?
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So many questions axle.
Opinions/reads on marv and Sci.
GOOO
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On April 07 2013 16:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lets talk about marv.
1 town tell I have on him is that he defends me to the hilt.
Then again I told him that last game so maybe he took it into account.
HOWEVER, I think that he looks really involved with the game and he cares about who he wants to lynch
WoS in particular.
Thoughts everybody?
Scum marv can fake being involved like a townie. The thing is his effort as scum whilst good isn't stellar. See GSLIII. I don't think he cares about who to lynch as his additions to the sciberbai vote = nothing. He hasn't been open and forthcoming with his thought processes which you would do if you cared about who you wanted town to lynch. His vote on sciberbia has even less reasoning behind it than yours. I.E. Nothing aside from sheep palmar. Do you really think town marv is a useless sheep who doesn't explain his votes? Because that is what you are saying if you believe marv to be town.
Also defending a 'bad' townie to the hilt is something marv does in EVERY game he rolls scum. see Liquid City, GSL III and many more scum games of marv.
It is actually a recognized part of his scum meta.
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I said ME specifically not bad townie.(im a good townie  )
In themed. He was scum, and let BH lynch me.
Every other game, he has rolled town and defended me.
I think that Marv respects and therefore sheeps palmar.
Do you sheep dudes? Why not marv?
Well if Marv was scum and WoS is town(current thinking cause I agree with Palmar's facts that it was a townie response to dude under pressure). Why did he unvote WoS? Why not just hammer the dude?
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What on earth did WoS do that make you guys think he redeemed himself?
He gives us some weak shit about how he don't like sci defending him, and comments on the retreat from Ace. He even says "I still don't like him but since it was obvious that an Ace lynch wasn't going anywhere my already defending my vote on him would look scummy basically any time I decided to change my vote, so whatever." Clearly contradicting him saying his vote on Ace was not the most serious. And more concerning he says he retracted his vote because it would make him look scummy!!?!?!?! Really, you base your actions and your votes on what makes you look scummy or not. Like really? Isn't there anyone else that gets a creepy feeling from sentences like that?
+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 03:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Let me address a couple other things just to clear it up since I'm on the chopping block (as it can happen any second):
I am aware Scib gave me an easy out with regards to my vote on Ace and I took it. I still don't like him though but since it was obvious that an Ace lynch wasn't going anywhere, my already defending my vote on him would look scummy basically any time I decided to change my vote, so whatever.
As for my meta being different between this and basically every other game I've been in....the only real difference is my activity. I even commented on that in the postgame of The Game I think; not going to be spammy anymore and I'll talk and make reads when I feel they're necessary. Change in playstyle doesn't indicate scum. All you vets especially who have to smurf because of exactly this reason, you should be well aware of this.
Lynch away if you will. On April 06 2013 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 09:07 sciberbia wrote:@WoS I don't know if you missed my last post, but.. First of all, as a point of fact, rayn didn't misinterpret your post in the same way Axle did. You posted this, where you ask Axle if he thinks rayn is worth paying attention to. + Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. And rayn summarised your post as 'asking Axle if we should kill rayn', which I think is a fair (although exaggerated) summary.
Moving on, On April 06 2013 08:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Are you worried or something? Iamp's wasn't a random joke vote either. If you're going to start saying something then come out and say it; what about me being the only person on your 'wagon' concerns you, and what about Oats' posting concerns you specifically?
Your stance on Ace is confusing. Maybe you could communicate it better. First, marv made a troll vote on Ace. You jumped on the bandwaggon and voted Ace. How serious was this vote? Clearly it's not THAT serious because you are talking a lot about prplhz and rayn and not pushing an ace lynch. On the other hand, it is clearly at least somewhat serious because you said you stand by it. But if it's somewhat serious, why did you say "I'm with marv on this one" when it was clear marv was just trolling? Do you really think a policy lynch of Ace is in town's best interests? I'm confused. Help me out here. I didn't miss your last post. If that's Rayn's summary of my post it's terrible because I specifically state that I don't want to pay him any mind, I just wanted to hear Axle's opinion of him, which I (sort of) got. How that = lynch I have no idea but you seem to think is somewhat justified. Whatever. As for Ace, fine, you caught me I suppose. Not the most serious vote around but I must say considering all the reverence people seem to show him it does scare me that we haven't seen anything useful from him yet and people are willing to let him go under the pretense of 'joke pressure.' I guess though it may not make sense to consider policy lynching him as I've heard suggested before if I haven't seen him at work myself. A half-serious vote you can call it I guess, but since iamp/marv left I can't hope to generate any more discussion or anything from Ace himself, it seems. ##Unvote: AceI could vote prplhz, but how can I be sure that isn't just his 'typical play' as Oats previously told me?
He also lists a bunch of townies, and pretty much lable everyone townies. It is not contributing at all, at least he should give us the courtesy of listing his scumreads, with reasoning. Not just randomly throw out a 2-3 names in the end. He is very close to lynch, he should make his reads available to us, not just do some halfassed like this.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 03:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh I figure I may as well give you a little more to go on since you're all pretty dead-set on killing me.
I don't like the idea of scib hard-defending me either., I'm thinking he's taking a page from kita's book in The Game where he's trying to get me to give him a townread so that he looks real good when I flip. Null for now but defs keep an eye on him.
Personally all the business with Oats/DP/iamp/whoever just seems to me like townies going at townies. DP seems very town to me sepcifically.
In this game I think scum are much more likely to be in the lurky category. Prplhz and Ace/Axle?
He throws in some random comment about his meta in his defense, when the case against him really don't mention meta at all. It is in the first quote I posted.
Overall a very unconvincing defense. Consisting of contradictions and without any justifications of his actions.
When people drops off his wagon he steps it up abit, going from defeated to a bit more agressive stance on prplhz. Nothing I wouldn't expect from a scum just escaping the noose. But the remaining posts he does before he goes to bed doesn't impress me.
My vote stays on WoS, and I got no clue why all of you jumped ship as soon as he made just the tiniest attempt at defending himself. I think something is rotten in the state of Denmark...
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@WoS - May I have your attention!!
Now that I am the only one on your case. I will provide you with an out. Of course you can take the scummy way out and ignore me completely, as the pressure on you evaporated, but don't, I will nail you to the wall for it.
The out is: Write a convincing case on prplhz with a structure that even I can comprehend, where you summarize what is scummy about him and provide quotes or references to posts. You are free to write it on someone else instead. My point is I want a scumread from you with an analysis behind, and not just some random lines.
To the rest of you stay the fuck away from this, I want WoS to do it for obvious reasons!
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On April 07 2013 17:12 Oatsmaster wrote:I said ME specifically not bad townie.(im a good townie ) In themed. He was scum, and let BH lynch me. Every other game, he has rolled town and defended me. I think that Marv respects and therefore sheeps palmar. Do you sheep dudes? Why not marv? Well if Marv was scum and WoS is town(current thinking cause I agree with Palmar's facts that it was a townie response to dude under pressure). Why did he unvote WoS? Why not just hammer the dude?
To me you are a bad townie. Perhaps to marv. I don't think the meta evidence of him defending you is enough. ESPECIALLY if it has been discussed previously.
Sheeping is fine. Rewording a two sentence post buried in a vote for another person and not saying anything original and then refusing to discuss the reason for a vote where he doesn;t even MENTION the person he is voting for is not.
Also most of the case against sciberbia was an association with WoS who he is now not voting for.
About the WoS unvote; It was really obvious to all the good players that WoS was looking more and more townie. Marv would have got demolished if he had done anything BUT unvote at that point. simply because he should have known better. There are conventions after you play for a while were good players almost have to respond to certain things a certain way or they are claiming scum.
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Hmm.
That is interesting.
What do you think of Tunkeg after his 'hammer' on WoS?
Tunkeg, do you think its more likely that you are right, or that Marv/Palmar/Ace is wrong?
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