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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 07 2013 10:18 Ace wrote: @prp what don't you understand? I think my thought process this game is easy to follow but I'll clear anything up you have questions about. i don't see why WoS "lying" about having claimed makes him in any way scum and you seem like you want marv to vote him for just that in this and this post. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 07 2013 11:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Prlphz: who do you find scummy right now and why? internally debating whether i should answer that i don't really have any scum reads or just ignore the question. On April 07 2013 11:07 prplhz wrote: i don't see why WoS "lying" about having claimed makes him in any way scum and you seem like you want marv to vote him for just that in this and this post. and at the same time it looks like you also know that WoS is lying here but that doesn't move you to vote him. i still don't see why WoS lying about that would make him scum and like i already pointed out, i don't think he was lying. meh | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
Ill wait till see more from marv tomorrow before i fully comment | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On April 07 2013 09:29 sciberbia wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 09:16 AxleGreaser wrote: The distinctions I was making in this post were fine distinctions. I was indeed 'reaching' for the idea that perhaps you were not considering why/ (what intention)/ (what thought) was behind and motivated WoS This post My post was about WoS's towny intentions. (dropping emotive stuff and leaving, i found hard to put a towny intention on) That you have still not apparently gone back and considered, why WoS made that post that I was initially concerned about, is to me concerning. In the post above, you give what I think I can loosely describe as bunch of heuristics, do this and your scum, don't do this and your not. What I don't see there is you considering the purpose of the actions. I am sorry, I just found where you did...? If I misinterpreted his intentions.... (as looking for someone to Lynch... or commenting on characteristics of people that could make them someone to Lynch, or ..) How did you interpret the intention of this Post? In particular what did the graphic visual nature, do but inspire further emotive knee jerk posts? BTW writing this post Started before Scribs here and while stuff seems to be happening around the WoS Lynch for me that does not effect whether or not Scrib was considering why WoS did things. @Axle With every post I analyze I look at look at possible townie and mafia intentions behind it. I thought about WoS's post right after I read it. I'm sorry that I did not explain earlier but I was busy today. To explain why I said you misinterpreted his post: I think WoS gave no alignment read of rayn at all in the post you quoted. But you asked him This implies that you thought WoS was personally showing interest in lynching rayn where I maintain that he wasn't. Hence why I said you misinterpreted his post. That is fine, so when you did "With every post I analyze I look at look at possible townie and mafia intentions behind it." analyse WoS's post, what possible townie intention did you see behind it? Did the townie intention you saw to that post not include WoS (at the very least) recently deciding on whether or not to "think" about Lynching Rayn, but had come down so nearly on the "not yet, do something else now side" that he sought a second opinion? If I had been recently thinking (should I / shouldn't I) pursue Rayn as scum(due to the posting style), and I got asked "Was there any reason you thought we should lynch a headless chook?" Then as WoS I could have, and would have, answered the question, I would also probably indicate that words had just been seemingly put in my mouth and that while i had recently been onsidering that option... blah blah.... That was the reason I believe I also provided my answer to the question. That the presence of the(an) answer did not even trigger recognition (easier than recall [www.ehow.com/info_7754397_recall-vs-recognition.html ] ) memory of "Oh yeah I was just thinking that" indicates to me he quite probably had not recently considered how Lynchworthy posting like that was. He had thus handed me what he considered to be an anchor. I think this topic is about done. I believe I understand why you said pretty much all of what you did. Doesnt make you town, probably not my best Lynch though... for now... ##unvote Sciberbia | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On April 07 2013 13:52 AxleGreaser wrote: I think this topic is about done. I believe I understand why you said pretty much all of what you did. So do you want me to address your questions in the first paragraph of that post or are we cool? Also, I'll be around reading filters for another hour or two if you/iamp want to discuss anything. I need to figure out where I stand on a few people. Top of the list are oats/marv/axle. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On April 07 2013 14:07 iamperfection wrote: want to kill prplhz? I've clarified my stance on him already iamp. I'm leaning scum on him. I agree with your recent sentiment that anyone who reads his filter should be leaning scum on him. He hasn't showed a lot of interest in the game and that is generally indicative of scum. I don't know why Palmar/Ace think that prplhz being useless is strictly null because I recall from Dwarf Mini that HiroPro & marv & I looked at prplhz's meta and concluded that he is usually more useful on D1 as town compared to his usual uselessness as scum. That said, I don't want to kill him right this instant. Since we can take as long as we want on this lynch, I'd rather get a stronger scumread before killing someone. Are you really even like 60% sure he is scum? Townies can be uninterested in games too. If you had the power to decide the lynch right now would you really kill prplhz? You're that confident? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On April 07 2013 14:24 DarthPunk wrote: OK. There was a wagon with three votes on marvellosity and noone seems to have commented at all on it. I find that strange. no real point im not really buying it but i want to see what marv has to say. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
My vote stays on prplhz for now, and I would like to hear marv's and Ace's response to the idea that I did not lie about the fact that I claimed. Off to bed for now. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
##Unvote Hey guys, about Sciberia and DP. They clearly DONT CARE what I have to say in response to them. I responded to DP's case. IGNORED. I posted more stuff about Sciberia. IGNORED. Again about Sciberia lets hammer this scum. On April 07 2013 08:44 sciberbia wrote: goddammit. Just had a nice post typed out and my computer crashed. I will summarize I still don't think WoS is scum. His death posts felt fine and a few recent lines in his filter just feel genuine to me: + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote: I could vote prplhz, but how can I be sure that isn't just his 'typical play' as Oats previously told me? On April 06 2013 10:05 WaveofShadow wrote: I still have a lot of trouble with the idea that there are people we can just 'let do their thing' and if anyone actually suspects them before that point it's scummy. I can't see myself ever getting used to that idea. On April 07 2013 03:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Personally all the business with Oats/DP/iamp/whoever just seems to me like townies going at townies. DP seems very town to me sepcifically. In this game I think scum are much more likely to be in the lurky category. Prplhz and Ace/Axle? Tunkeg's case didnt' do much for me. Some of his points weren't scumtells (paragraph 1) and others were misrepresenting what happened in the thread (paragraphs 2,3,4). My only gripe with WoS is his generally low activity before he had like 6 votes but overall I'm still thinking town and I wouldn't be happy lynching him today. prplh'z vote on WoS reminded me of his unabashed pile-on onto Forumite D1 in Dwarf Mini. He still has hardly done anything and I'd be alright with lynching him today. But seeing as we have no time limit, I'd still like to hear more from him before hanging him. @marv I was confused by your refusal to lynch prplhz today, because the only two games I've read with you and prplhz on D1 (Dwarf Mini and that game you were mayor), prplhz played similarly to this game, you voted him, and he was scum. What's different about this game that makes him a bad lynch? Palmar, not getting lynched today is one of my top priorities, so I'd be interested in having some discussion with you and hopefully help you see the light. What do you want me to address? Also I think I owe Axle an answer to something. Going back through his filter now. Wtf what is this post that PUSHES NOTHING. Its REACTIVE not proactive. Scum are reactive. Town are proactive. He talks about WoS in LENGTH and defends him for no bloody reason when it was clear that he was not very close to being lynched. ##Vote Sci Wagon on marv is stupid. Why is he scum? ALL THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR HIM? Im assuming Palmar's is a pressure vote but the rest, Im not so sure. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On April 07 2013 14:24 DarthPunk wrote: OK. There was a wagon with three votes on marvellosity and noone seems to have commented at all on it. I find that strange. Well I agree with what you said about his jump on my wagon being concerning. I know that marv thinks very highly of my town play, and therefore I'm concerned that he was willing to let me die on what in my opinion was some pretty flimsy evidence. Here are some quotes of his from a scum QT from a long time ago + Show Spoiler + that's why I'm coaching in scumQT hehe. sciberbia just replaced Monk. you need to nightkill him. -------------------------------------------------------------- sciberbia is arguably the strongest newbie to come through TL Mafia in recent times. And within this game he said + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 09:26 marvellosity wrote: I hold you to higher expectations than I do either of those players. referring to DP and Ace, who are certainly no slouches. Knowing that he thinks a lot of my town play, I see a ton of mafia motivation to support Palmar's sciberbia wagon and try to get me out of the game, and on Palmar's wagon no less (yes I think Palmar is town). But I don't see a lot of town motivation for his complacency in just letting me die. Posts like these don't sit right with me. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 20:49 marvellosity wrote: Alright Palmar. We can do it your way. For now. ##Vote: sciberbia On April 07 2013 02:04 marvellosity wrote: They're both looking pretty tough to me right now >.< I kinda just want someone to die and flip really. On April 07 2013 08:45 marvellosity wrote: Unlike Oats, who is "scum at best, town is worst"? Super solid reason you have there, Ace. I'm with Palmar on this one. And your irrational opposition to the lynch while championing an equally irrational lynch makes me feel better about it too. You're telling us/town it makes no sense to unvote WoS, but you've never actually had your vote on him yourself. If you're so sure, why weren't you hammering his wagon? #paranoia #yolo #willlookatthegamewhilenotundertheinfluencetomorrow ##Vote: sciberbia If we were about to lynch DP/Palmar/marv/anyone that I think would be quite an asset as town, I'd want to feel damn good about them being scum before letting them die. Especially because there is no rush to lynch today. But I don't think marv had any especially good reasons to think I am scum. marv has seen me play a lot, and I don't think my play this game has been that different from other games where I've been town. Marv should know that I like posting fluffy setup stuff as town, and overall I think he should be able to read me as town, or at the very least not have a scumread. But I suppose it's possible we both just overestimate each other and that he is impatient and doesn't think like me. Even before the wagon on me, I was leaning scum on marv based on some things earlier in the game. I think there's a decent chance he's scum. The towniest thing in his filter to me is his WoS/scib conspiracy theory. Like I said before I think theories like that show paranoia and are generally indicative of town. I dunno. It's getting late. Sorry for rambling a bit. Am I talking sense DP? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 07 2013 15:10 sciberbia wrote: marv has seen me play a lot, and I don't think my play this game has been that different from other games where I've been town. Marv should know that I like posting fluffy setup stuff as town, and overall I think he should be able to read me as town, or at the very least not have a scumread. But I suppose it's possible we both just overestimate each other and that he is impatient and doesn't think like me. Even before the wagon on me, I was leaning scum on marv based on some things earlier in the game. I think there's a decent chance he's scum.What? Is this like the 'You should BE ABLE TO SEE THAT I AM TOWN', scumtell thing? Cause thats is absolute bullshit and inaccurate. Do you have ANY REASONS why marv is scum? or are you just bullshitting? The one above ISNT. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On April 07 2013 15:05 Oatsmaster wrote: sleeping is good ##Unvote Hey guys, about Sciberia and DP. They clearly DONT CARE what I have to say in response to them. I responded to DP's case. IGNORED. I posted more stuff about Sciberia. IGNORED. Again about Sciberia lets hammer this scum. Wtf what is this post that PUSHES NOTHING. Its REACTIVE not proactive. Scum are reactive. Town are proactive. He talks about WoS in LENGTH and defends him for no bloody reason when it was clear that he was not very close to being lynched. ##Vote Sci Wagon on marv is stupid. Why is he scum? ALL THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR HIM? Im assuming Palmar's is a pressure vote but the rest, Im not so sure. @Oats I didn't see anything that I thought was worth responding to. You added to your case on me with some points which I thought were clearly not very good. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 23:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Time to hammer Scib INTO THE GROUND. or rope in this case. This 'analysis' is mostly summary and I dont see ANYTHING of the sciberia that was nk'ed early in THE GAME. Especially this, it feels like the 'criteria' that iGrok had in MTG2 where you fit posts into slots. (iGrok was scum btw) He also didnt bother to check his meta read against any other games that I played. He has had a low impact in the thread so far and again, doesnt feel like the town sciberia im used to seeing. And I do remember expanding on my thoughts on WoS because you and marv had an issue with them. I disagree that WoS was not close to being lynched. Marv and Palmar agreed that he was scummy. IMO that put him in DANGER territory. Also, there was some talk about a scib/WoS connection, so I thought it would be good to make it clear where I stood on WoS and why my previous posts were so 'nice' about him. I had not zero not one but two townie motivations for sharing that townread. Yes I was catching up with the thread. Hence I was reacting to the things in the thread that I was reading. I don't know why this is a problem. I'm "reacting" to your most recent post right now. It doesn't make me scum. Oats, all bravado aside, on a scale from 0% to 100% how confident are you that I am scum? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On April 07 2013 15:10 sciberbia wrote: Well I agree with what you said about his jump on my wagon being concerning. I know that marv thinks very highly of my town play, and therefore I'm concerned that he was willing to let me die on what in my opinion was some pretty flimsy evidence. Here are some quotes of his from a scum QT from a long time ago + Show Spoiler + that's why I'm coaching in scumQT hehe. sciberbia just replaced Monk. you need to nightkill him. -------------------------------------------------------------- sciberbia is arguably the strongest newbie to come through TL Mafia in recent times. And within this game he said + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 09:26 marvellosity wrote: I hold you to higher expectations than I do either of those players. referring to DP and Ace, who are certainly no slouches. Knowing that he thinks a lot of my town play, I see a ton of mafia motivation to support Palmar's sciberbia wagon and try to get me out of the game, and on Palmar's wagon no less (yes I think Palmar is town). But I don't see a lot of town motivation for his complacency in just letting me die. Posts like these don't sit right with me. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 20:49 marvellosity wrote: Alright Palmar. We can do it your way. For now. ##Vote: sciberbia On April 07 2013 02:04 marvellosity wrote: They're both looking pretty tough to me right now >.< I kinda just want someone to die and flip really. On April 07 2013 08:45 marvellosity wrote: Unlike Oats, who is "scum at best, town is worst"? Super solid reason you have there, Ace. I'm with Palmar on this one. And your irrational opposition to the lynch while championing an equally irrational lynch makes me feel better about it too. You're telling us/town it makes no sense to unvote WoS, but you've never actually had your vote on him yourself. If you're so sure, why weren't you hammering his wagon? #paranoia #yolo #willlookatthegamewhilenotundertheinfluencetomorrow ##Vote: sciberbia If we were about to lynch DP/Palmar/marv/anyone that I think would be quite an asset as town, I'd want to feel damn good about them being scum before letting them die. Especially because there is no rush to lynch today. But I don't think marv had any especially good reasons to think I am scum. marv has seen me play a lot, and I don't think my play this game has been that different from other games where I've been town. Marv should know that I like posting fluffy setup stuff as town, and overall I think he should be able to read me as town, or at the very least not have a scumread. But I suppose it's possible we both just overestimate each other and that he is impatient and doesn't think like me. Even before the wagon on me, I was leaning scum on marv based on some things earlier in the game. I think there's a decent chance he's scum. The towniest thing in his filter to me is his WoS/scib conspiracy theory. Like I said before I think theories like that show paranoia and are generally indicative of town. I dunno. It's getting late. Sorry for rambling a bit. Am I talking sense DP? Yeah. This is a really solid post. I really don't get the wagon on you and posts like this come off as insanely townie to me. | ||
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