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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On April 05 2013 04:17 Lazermonkey wrote: Hopeless, why does any of the stuff you mention make risk scum? Do you actually think that it would've been better for us to have had a no lynch? Thats not even close to what I said. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On April 05 2013 04:25 risk.nuke wrote: I think its alarming that Hopeless two biggest scum reads are my biggest town reads atm ( Ghor and you).Lazer, can you give me some original thoughts on someone besides RoL? CC is spending far to much time casting insults at everyone. Its quite demoralizing and we need none of that. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Ghor's been focusing on 3 main people this game. Initially, Risk, who was the easiest target from D1. Then Syl. And Hopeless to a certain extent. Look how the Syl and Hopeless scumreads developed... On April 02 2013 23:11 Ghor wrote: Ghor not like sylencia last two post, he lie about me. Ghor contribute, ghor say what he think, what he like, what he not like, who capitalist are.what risk do wrong and why not hammer too quick. but sylencia play like capitalist swine, he talk about me wildcard cause ghor sound like foreign, but say i scummy for things not true. but that not only reason.it sound like omgus, bad. ghor had eye on sylencia early, ghor ask axle about people like sylencia who say privjet and go away. what make ghor suspicious in late posts is: Sylencia spend more time talking about everyone except main scumread.ghor suspect sylencia try park easy vote on cheesecake. ghor sees no reason to mention everyone else but not try convince others that cc scum. sylencia also describe lot of things, but not give interpretationi. too much description, not enough opinion. look scummy. only alignment-opinion in big post are cc and ve. he say risk make strange things, but no say what he think of it. he only say votes on risk too early, and say scum hammer him quickly cause of CC, but if sylencia think CC scum, then why fear his vote will help scum? sylencia say risk do odd thing, no say if scummy or not, sylencia fear risk getting hammered quickly -> sylencia think risk town. wishwash here, scummy part. risk this last post ghor also find scummy, only description, no opinion about lazer. look like sylencia feel forced to give pseudo opinion about people he asked about. Sylencia finds Ghor to be a wildcard and scummy. Ghor essentially says in the bolded is, "Sylencia lied about me. I contribute. I do townie things. Sylencia lie." He says that Syl was focusing on other people than his main scumread (me?). Syl was focusing on Ghor being scum in that post, not myself. Why is Syl focusing on Ghor instead of me scummy? It's not ---> Ghor is nervous about something. He then proceeds to tunnel Sylencia the entire day based on this fact. On April 03 2013 01:56 Ghor wrote: ghor think hopeless braindead if he thinks ghor teammate with risk. ghor pointed out fallacies with risk early, try get proper opinion on him from sylencia. All reasoning laid out, hopeless not absorb it. Hopeless, question: Ghor saw the scumslip you pointed out that was none.Ghor answered to your assessment, what do you deduce from it? (Ghor deduces it another example of hopeless amazing reading comprehension) Ghor now has a scumread on Hopeless. He thinks Risk / Ghor scumteam, huh? Wrong! I pointed out all of these fallacies. His scumread on Hopeless seems to be based on the fact that Hopeless is an idiot rather than scum. What's really interesting is that Ghor never budges his Syl case and rides it to majority. On April 03 2013 11:04 Ghor wrote: Ghor in conflict, ghor not sure what make of risk. ghor also like hopeless and sylencia as lynch choices. ghor wonders, why you say you saving scum sylencia (cause you probably want to imply your motive is not being disruptive). ghor very curious why say scum sylencia. not simply sylencia, or town sylencia. Keeps Risk and Hopeless as an option but still never considers them seriously. On April 03 2013 20:49 Ghor wrote: ghor want kill sylencia very much, ghor think he look more scummy with each post. this look terrible terrible from sylencia. ghor facepalm, this more than just connection read, this connection justification for later bad push against ghor. whole play look terrible. ghor not need make case, sylencia filter is case. but ghor maybe try to make good case later, if town not convinced. ##Unvote ##Vote Sylencia Ghors mind: Shit, he's going to hammer Hopeless and I'll look terrible. He also thinks I look terrible anyway. BETTER RIDE THIS SYL LYNCH HOME BABY! Summary: - Ghor initially thinks Syl is scum because he lied about him, and said a bunch of mean things. Syl was pressuring Ghor, and Ghor no like this. - Ghor thinks Hopeless could be scum because he is 'braindead' and thinks Ghor is scum with risk. Only has this read after VE and myself call him out. - For someone who called Syl "Too self-centered", he seems to be very careful about his image and quick to retaliate; people who are suspect of him are his top scumreads. ##Vote: Ghor I don't think Risk is scum with Ghor, for the record. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On April 05 2013 04:32 Lazermonkey wrote: I think its alarming that Hopeless two biggest scum reads are my biggest town reads atm ( Ghor and you). CC is spending far to much time casting insults at everyone. Its quite demoralizing and we need none of that. Lol. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On April 04 2013 22:51 Hopeless1der wrote: Quite close I'd argue...##Vote: risk.nuke His play has been to spam down anything that suggests he's scum. He claims to be one of the more active players, but my filter is just about as long as his. Instead of trying to push my lynch at deadline, he sits on his hands and refers to VE as the decision maker. Attempts to voteswitch last minute with the only reason being consolidation. No scumread on sylencia, but he's willing to let me slide for a day? Me voting sylencia makes sense as it was self preservation. Risk voting sylencia right at the last minute makes sense to avoid a no-lynch, but he didn't even try to push for my lynch and refuses to substantiate how "this isn't town Hopeless". | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Ghor
Russian Federation140 Posts
 .I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at). Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie). In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all). I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On April 05 2013 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote: The alternative for him would be a No-lynch. I was on the verge of voting you at that time as no lynch is really fucking terrible, does it make me scum?No where do I suggest that a No-Lynch is a good idea. The apathy with which he was willing to vote Sylencia is my problem | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On April 05 2013 04:44 Lazermonkey wrote: The alternative for him would be a No-lynch. I was on the verge of voting you at that time as no lynch is really fucking terrible, does it make me scum? No, because you werent advocating my lynch all day with arguments such as On April 03 2013 03:17 risk.nuke wrote: I'm feeling confident hopeless is scum, I haven't gone over Sylencia yet. I don't have time now but I'll get back to you on him later. On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote: We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless. Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town. And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased. Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? risk doesn't give a shit who got lynched, as long as it wasnt him. | ||
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Ghor
Russian Federation140 Posts
Well I will only say one thing right now: My reads were based on more than just calling people braindead (and you'll have to prove your points by quoting my posts. Hint: You probably can't). And you say I only OMGUS people, but risk actually didn't say I'm scum. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote: Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all .I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at). Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie). In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all). I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting. Are you serious right now Ghor? Lul. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On April 05 2013 04:48 Ghor wrote: Oh ninjad by CC. Well I will only say one thing right now: My reads were based on more than just calling people braindead (and you'll have to prove your points by quoting my posts. Hint: You probably can't). And you say I only OMGUS people, but risk actually didn't say I'm scum. Your scumreads on Hopeless and Syl were based on the fact that they pressured and / or didn't like you. Risk was just a side project. | ||
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Ghor
Russian Federation140 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On April 05 2013 04:48 Hopeless1der wrote: What?! I was doing the EXACT same thing as risk was doing ( except the other way around). I pushed Sylencia the whole day, defended you and STILL was willing to vote you. So, please explain how Risks actions only makes him scum...No, because you werent advocating my lynch all day with arguments such as risk doesn't give a shit who got lynched, as long as it wasnt him. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
How the fudge can you have a town read on Ghor? He just tried to condemn 3 people for sheeping his own Syl case. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On April 05 2013 05:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I think that is perfectly resonable given that you sheeped your scum read -.-@ Lazer How the fudge can you have a town read on Ghor? He just tried to condemn 3 people for sheeping his own Syl case. Ghor has been one of the most productive players this game, with easy to follow logic. His reasoning makes alot of sense and is very similar to mine, which I think shows of a townie mindset. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On April 05 2013 04:55 Lazermonkey wrote: What?! I was doing the EXACT same thing as risk was doing ( except the other way around). I pushed Sylencia the whole day, defended you and STILL was willing to vote you. So, please explain how Risks actions only makes him scum... risk didn't push me. You pushed sylencia. Do you not see a difference in the way you and risk have played, because I see one. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On April 05 2013 05:07 Lazermonkey wrote: I think that is perfectly resonable given that you sheeped your scum read -.- Ghor has been one of the most productive players this game, with easy to follow logic. His reasoning makes alot of sense and is very similar to mine, which I think shows of a townie mindset. Are you that stupid? Where pre-lynch was Ghor my scumread hmmm? I guess tunneling a townie with your buddy Ghor over there is much much better, and then blame it on the guys who actually wanted to lynch Hopeless because you were too stubborn to switch over. Nice soft town claim btw. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On April 05 2013 05:10 Hopeless1der wrote: Yes he did. risk didn't push me. You pushed sylencia. Do you not see a difference in the way you and risk have played, because I see one. On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote: We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless. Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town. And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased. Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? On April 04 2013 01:27 risk.nuke wrote: This does indeed look like pushing to me. Don't know what you consider pushing though.Hopeless, my case on you is not meta based. Meta is generally only something I use to gather others to my case once it's been made. My problem with you is I called you out for not caring about scum hunting quite early, and despite that you didn't give a shit about trying to up your game, while you weren't under any pressure. Nor have you claimed busy. You just straight out was lurking and never scumhunting or caring about the game. Your only contributions were highly suspicious egging-on-from-the-shadows posts. My impression on you which I've gotten from games I've played with you before is you're an intelligent individual. So why have an intelligent townie not given a shit about scumhunting or making cases. Additionally later when you after ages bring up your theory. You come up with the WORST and MOST UNLIKELY possible theory for scumbuddies that only makes it seem like you're not reading the thread. Ghor have been sharper with his comments on me then anyone else in the thread. And additionally I am just about the most active player in the game. The only possible explanations are you're scum or a townie who's not putting in any time in the game. But then why haven't you come clean and admitted you haven't given a shit about the game because that is the only other possible explanation I might had believed. But even with that your egging on posts doesn't make sense. | ||
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