EPTalso I am changing my vote to oats now. the yamato wagon happened too easily and I'm falling out of love with it.
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kushm4sta
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also I am changing my vote to oats now. the yamato wagon happened too easily and I'm falling out of love with it. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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yamato77
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On April 23 2013 09:00 Vivax wrote: Then,please explain how you see this post: Cause I read it as you trying to distance Oats from Yamato: Like you were trying to show that Oats made a half-assed push against yamato early in the game. Unless you have another explanation for you posting this bit (which you probably should start making up now, in case I guessed correctly). Could you please explain why you would vote for yamato? I literally made the post because I'm curious about whether a double bus makes sense (hint, it usually doesn't) and wanted thread input. Is that not obvious to you? I am aware both look scummy but I'm not sure of both being scum. Can I explain why I would vote for yamato? I'm not 100% sure I would, hence not having voted for either yet. I've seen this kind of play from him before and he's attempting to put in effort now that he's on the block. His case against VE objectively makes sense (VE isn't exactly trying) but conflicts with my townread on VE. It's not like yamato's case is really 'trying' either. Vivax, your asking me how I see my own post is really weird. Like, what exactly are you looking for? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Now, On April 23 2013 08:49 TheRavensName wrote: Why you gotta ignore my questions for you? Because you're obviously town and obviously searching in the wrong places. I'll indulge though because I know what it was like in my first big game; I see much of myself in you, young padawan. If you'd actually read my filter, you calling me wishy-washy doesn't make sense at all. I've had definite reads all game; just because I haven't voted anyone yet or had a very strong scumread doesn't make me scum. I don't have to post massive cases on people to be scumhunting. Those will come later. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
I feel like his case is subjective, where it's largely meta based, and that's the reason I agree with it. I don't feel like he has much objectivity with it... in fact, he keeps saying he's going to be trying to catch the entire team, but I have only seen him tunneling, in general... sorry to overgeneralize i'll try to be more specific... he's beating a dead horse | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 23 2013 09:11 Bill Murray wrote: I kind of disagree, WOS ^ I feel like his case is subjective, where it's largely meta based, and that's the reason I agree with it. I don't feel like he has much objectivity with it... in fact, he keeps saying he's going to be trying to catch the entire team, but I have only seen him tunneling, in general... sorry to overgeneralize i'll try to be more specific... he's beating a dead horse Do you want me to talk about someone other than VE? I could talk about BC | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On the other hand, yamato "thinks I'm scum" because of the case he just posted. Go read it for yourself and ask yourself the following question after every point he makes, because he doesn't do so himself: "Can I imagine a scenario where townVE would do this same thing?" Because I got news for you guys: I would and did. I'll respond to yamato's case specifically if his wagon goes anywhere, but suffice to say that there are several misrepresentations present in his case and he never once tries to figure out if I'm town or scum - only assumes I'm scum and invents a narrative that supports it. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 23 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyway to sum it up, I'm more sure of an Oats lynch than yamato; a lot of conflicted things going on with him that I just can't be sure of. Now, Because you're obviously town and obviously searching in the wrong places. I'll indulge though because I know what it was like in my first big game; I see much of myself in you, young padawan. If you'd actually read my filter, you calling me wishy-washy doesn't make sense at all. I've had definite reads all game; just because I haven't voted anyone yet or had a very strong scumread doesn't make me scum. I don't have to post massive cases on people to be scumhunting. Those will come later. scum have definite reads; scum have the playerlist, in a sense Let me ask you something: What is your viewpoint of the game if both Oats, and VE are town? What credit would you take for a switch to Oats working, if he flipped town? Who would you want to lynch if Oats flipped town? Name at least 3-4 people, please... reasoning unnecessary, but wanted | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 23 2013 09:12 yamato77 wrote: Do you want me to talk about someone other than VE? I could talk about BC Don't talk about: BC, Oats, Me, Vivax, kushm4sta (or anyone else deterring your wagon) talk about: Ace (not his interaction with bc, though), Palmar, lurkers (preferably people you wouldn't expect to be lurking... for me, dr.h) | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 23 2013 09:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Hey guys you wanna know why Palmar thinks I'm scum? Number of pages in my filter. Period. Just ask him, he'll tell you. On the other hand, yamato "thinks I'm scum" because of the case he just posted. Go read it for yourself and ask yourself the following question after every point he makes, because he doesn't do so himself: "Can I imagine a scenario where townVE would do this same thing?" Because I got news for you guys: I would and did. I'll respond to yamato's case specifically if his wagon goes anywhere, but suffice to say that there are several misrepresentations present in his case and he never once tries to figure out if I'm town or scum - only assumes I'm scum and invents a narrative that supports it. Invents a narrative? Your posts are the narrative. I invented nothing. I provided valuable commentary on 100% scumtells. A VE that does what you did is scum. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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yamato77
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On April 23 2013 09:14 Bill Murray wrote: Don't talk about: BC, Oats, Me, Vivax, kushm4sta (or anyone else deterring your wagon) talk about: Ace (not his interaction with bc, though), Palmar, lurkers (preferably people you wouldn't expect to be lurking... for me, dr.h) Well, there are 3 replacements being called for. Not gonna try to divine alignment from people that aren't playing. Ace is a tricky one. The case I posted earlier before his interaction with BC was kinda bad, but I don't understand how he developed a scum read on me whatsoever. | ||
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Ace
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Vivax
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On April 23 2013 09:08 WaveofShadow wrote: I literally made the post because I'm curious about whether a double bus makes sense (hint, it usually doesn't) and wanted thread input. Is that not obvious to you? I am aware both look scummy but I'm not sure of both being scum. Can I explain why I would vote for yamato? I'm not 100% sure I would, hence not having voted for either yet. I've seen this kind of play from him before and he's attempting to put in effort now that he's on the block. His case against VE objectively makes sense (VE isn't exactly trying) but conflicts with my townread on VE. It's not like yamato's case is really 'trying' either. Vivax, your asking me how I see my own post is really weird. Like, what exactly are you looking for? What townread on VE, you said lurking VE is scum VE earlier, and you quote Palmar calling VE scum saying that lurking VE is scum VE, and that you have a town read but were worried when he stopped posting. It wasn't really clear you had a townread on VE, I actually thought you called him scum en passe before heading to Oats & Co. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2013 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Someone mentioned it earlier but lurker VE is scum VE---since I had you as town read from beginning of game I was worried when you stopped posting. One particular thing that struck me as scummy about Oats (besides the inactivity and general uselessness of his posting) was the vote on Giygas....just looked like an easy way (since he showed minimal suspicion towards him) to toss up an easy vote with minimal substance behind it and fuck off for a while. One thing worries me though and that is this post: What do the better players make of this in the context of yamato and Oats being both prime scum candidates for the day and Oats dropping this long before the yamato vote train started? Anyway, you seem quick to talk of a double bus. First, Oats post didn't look like a bus at all, more like a description of stuff regarding yamato, I see no intention from Oats to lynch yamato anywhere. Second, we don't even know if they are both scum yet  As for why I'm asking you questions, it's like asking me why I'm playing this game. Anyway, for later uses, here's the chronology of stuff since my case, people pushing VE kinda caught my attention: Oats vs yamato-chronologically Vivax → Case Ace → prefers Oats, initially pushed yamato CC → announces to look through yamato and Oats VE → Would get behind Oats lynch Kush → prefers yamato Giyga → Ask Oats question about earlier vote against him OO → Prefers yamato Rayn → Prefers oats Kush → Changes mind to lynching Oats Palmar → Could do Oats. Also, VE is scum. Giyga → Announces delay in looking through them WoS → Says VE is scum, mentions something scummy about Oats. Worried about Oats posting something about yamato Yamato → Said Oats could be scum earlier, VE IS SCUM but pops in and says BC and Ace could both be mafia. Bleh. Getmoript → votes yamato BM → Votes yamato TRN → Votes yamato for martyring Giyga → Prefers Oats WoS → Claims to prefer Oats. Kush → Actual change of vote to Oats | ||
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Palmar
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Don't put words in my mouth, Vivax. On April 23 2013 09:11 Bill Murray wrote: I kind of disagree, WOS ^ I feel like his case is subjective, where it's largely meta based, and that's the reason I agree with it. I don't feel like he has much objectivity with it... in fact, he keeps saying he's going to be trying to catch the entire team, but I have only seen him tunneling, in general... sorry to overgeneralize i'll try to be more specific... he's beating a dead horse Objective was the wrong word to use, yeah. What I meant was everything he says about VE makes sense considering his actions in the games I've played with him, but again there's something in VE's play that has been assuring me he's town...I'll call it a gutread. If Oats flipped town? I'd honestly be tempted to destroy a lot of the lurk going on but they're probably getting replaced and I also know that's not great right now. As far as 'active' posters go ShiaoPi's attack on a town Sharrant doesn't look great to me. I don't have other strong scumreads atm and am going to have to go through and look if you want more than that. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 23 2013 09:18 Ace wrote: but you've got no credibility yamato. If VE is scum - tough shit. You've played bad enough that your words carry no weight and screaming about it isn't moving the needle towards his lynch. Stop trying to derail the wagon and at least vote for Oats. I've repeatedly said I would lynch Oats. But I'm less sure of him than I am of VE. And yes, I'm fully aware of my current situation and how I got here, thank you. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On April 23 2013 09:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Hey guys you wanna know why Palmar thinks I'm scum? Number of pages in my filter. Period. Just ask him, he'll tell you. I suppose that's somewhat accurate. Also because you haven't been yelling at scum, I like overzealous borderline-crazy town VE. He's a friend and I miss him. So yeah, until my "lazy ve is scum ve" is ever wrong I'm sticking with it. | ||
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yamato77
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