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On April 23 2013 09:23 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hey guys you wanna know why Palmar thinks I'm scum? Number of pages in my filter. Period. Just ask him, he'll tell you.
I suppose that's somewhat accurate. Also because you haven't been yelling at scum, I like overzealous borderline-crazy town VE. He's a friend and I miss him. So yeah, until my "lazy ve is scum ve" is ever wrong I'm sticking with it.
Fuck that you give me shit all the time about my playstyle and unrepentantly ignore me when I play like that you little shit.
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##vote Oatsmaster
Think he's the better lynch looking at Vivax's list. Too many people prefer Oats but haven't changed to it so I will do so. yamato just being useless, eventual vigi bait.
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GAH that's infuriating. RoL did the same shit to me in Noir - talk about policy lynching me because he hates my playstyle, then wants to lynch me when I went inactive due to time constraints. Fucking make up your mind people.
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On April 23 2013 09:24 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:23 Palmar wrote:On April 23 2013 09:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hey guys you wanna know why Palmar thinks I'm scum? Number of pages in my filter. Period. Just ask him, he'll tell you.
I suppose that's somewhat accurate. Also because you haven't been yelling at scum, I like overzealous borderline-crazy town VE. He's a friend and I miss him. So yeah, until my "lazy ve is scum ve" is ever wrong I'm sticking with it. Fuck that you give me shit all the time about my playstyle and unrepentantly ignore me when I play like that you little shit.
I ignore you cause I usually don't agree with you, that doesn't have much to do whether or not I can tell your alignment. And I almost never give you shit?
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On April 23 2013 09:25 Ace wrote:
##vote Oatsmaster
Think he's the better lynch looking at Vivax's list. Too many people prefer Oats but haven't changed to it so I will do so. yamato just being useless, eventual vigi bait.
I am not being useless, lol.
Just because I don't listen to you does not make me a good vigi shot.
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On April 23 2013 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote:I didn't say VE is scum. I said an inactive VE is often scum. but I was thankful that he has started posting more because that probably means he's NOT scum and fits with my townread. Don't put words in my mouth, Vivax. Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:11 Bill Murray wrote:
I kind of disagree, WOS ^
I feel like his case is subjective, where it's largely meta based, and that's the reason I agree with it. I don't feel like he has much objectivity with it... in fact, he keeps saying he's going to be trying to catch the entire team, but I have only seen him tunneling, in general... sorry to overgeneralize
i'll try to be more specific... he's beating a dead horse Objective was the wrong word to use, yeah. What I meant was everything he says about VE makes sense considering his actions in the games I've played with him, but again there's something in VE's play that has been assuring me he's town...I'll call it a gutread. If Oats flipped town? I'd honestly be tempted to destroy a lot of the lurk going on but they're probably getting replaced and I also know that's not great right now. As far as 'active' posters go ShiaoPi's attack on a town Sharrant doesn't look great to me. I don't have other strong scumreads atm and am going to have to go through and look if you want more than that.
Well, uh. Who are your strong scumreads?
I wasn't putting words in your mouth, I simply said what it looked like to me, you're free to correct me.
I might add though that you give me a very defensive impression, you seem to not like talking with me about this stuff at all to the point of asking me for justification for my questions.
So I'd like to talk a little more to see if the doubts are unfounded: The thing regarding the double bus quote you picked up, why didn't you say outright that you don't think both can be scum, but at the time where you posted it, you didn't really make a choice between the two, or comment on my case?
You admitted that you were putting the thought out there that both couldn't be scum without saying it outright and instead asked others.
But you say that you don't know if yamato is scum.
Yet you didn't outright vote for Oats, and instead only recently claimed your preference of Oats in an earlier post, as shown in my chronology?
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On April 23 2013 09:26 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:24 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 23 2013 09:23 Palmar wrote:On April 23 2013 09:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hey guys you wanna know why Palmar thinks I'm scum? Number of pages in my filter. Period. Just ask him, he'll tell you.
I suppose that's somewhat accurate. Also because you haven't been yelling at scum, I like overzealous borderline-crazy town VE. He's a friend and I miss him. So yeah, until my "lazy ve is scum ve" is ever wrong I'm sticking with it. Fuck that you give me shit all the time about my playstyle and unrepentantly ignore me when I play like that you little shit. I ignore you cause I usually don't agree with you, that doesn't have much to do whether or not I can tell your alignment. And I almost never give you shit?
Maybe the shit you give me stings more cause I like you. 
Whatever, the point is that I'm clearly trying to find scum and you're like ignoring that fact. Also yamato looks scummy as shit and you're throwing in your lot with him.
Palmar-Thats-Never-Wrong is a friend and I miss him. Why don't you see if you can conjure that dude up?
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On April 23 2013 09:29 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:26 Palmar wrote:On April 23 2013 09:24 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 23 2013 09:23 Palmar wrote:On April 23 2013 09:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hey guys you wanna know why Palmar thinks I'm scum? Number of pages in my filter. Period. Just ask him, he'll tell you.
I suppose that's somewhat accurate. Also because you haven't been yelling at scum, I like overzealous borderline-crazy town VE. He's a friend and I miss him. So yeah, until my "lazy ve is scum ve" is ever wrong I'm sticking with it. Fuck that you give me shit all the time about my playstyle and unrepentantly ignore me when I play like that you little shit. I ignore you cause I usually don't agree with you, that doesn't have much to do whether or not I can tell your alignment. And I almost never give you shit? Maybe the shit you give me stings more cause I like you. Whatever, the point is that I'm clearly trying to find scum and you're like ignoring that fact. Also yamato looks scummy as shit and you're throwing in your lot with him. Palmar-Thats-Never-Wrong is a friend and I miss him. Why don't you see if you can conjure that dude up?
You still have yet to justify your suspicion of me beyond one sentence.
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Good case Vivax, sadly horrible conclusions.
The main point is 'inactive' right? And the fact that I only sheeped one of VE's reads? I thought the issue was Palmar so I answered that. And I decided to post reads cause WHY NOT BRO.
Why are we not lynching Gigyas? Yamato is really bleh, but I never played in a game with him as scum and this feels like Boardwalk lategame.
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~~~ Vote Count! ~~~
Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta, Ace(5)
Hopeless1der: Vivax (0)
Bill Murray: raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes (0)
Getmoript: Mr. Cheesecake, kushm4sta,WaveofShadow (0)
TheRavensName: Sharrant (0)
Raynpelikoneet: Sharrant, Sylencia, Hopeless1der, ObviousOne(3)
Ace: Yamato, Bill Murray (0)
Sharrant: raynpelikoneet (0)
Yamato: kushm4sta, BloodyCobbler, Ace, Grush57, raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, ObviousOne, getmoript, Bill Murray, TheRavensName (7)
VisceraEyes: Palmar, Yamato (2)
Remember, this Day ends when a majority is reached. As soon as a majority is reached, please stop posting until the Night Post has been posted. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here: (link)
With 25 alive it takes 13 votes to lynch.
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tl dr:
What are your reads?
Do you think yamato is scum or not?
Why did you hesitate to say that you think they cannot both be scum, and instead poked for others to tell you that?
Does it seriously look to you like Oats could have been bussing yamato in that post?
Does it look like yamato is so interested into lynching Oats over VE or Ace or BC?
Why did a double bus concern you so much over the stuff about the two -connections aside- which already was in the thread?
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On April 23 2013 09:17 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:14 Bill Murray wrote:On April 23 2013 09:12 yamato77 wrote:On April 23 2013 09:11 Bill Murray wrote:
I kind of disagree, WOS ^
I feel like his case is subjective, where it's largely meta based, and that's the reason I agree with it. I don't feel like he has much objectivity with it... in fact, he keeps saying he's going to be trying to catch the entire team, but I have only seen him tunneling, in general... sorry to overgeneralize
i'll try to be more specific... he's beating a dead horse Do you want me to talk about someone other than VE? I could talk about BC Don't talk about: BC, Oats, Me, Vivax, kushm4sta (or anyone else deterring your wagon) talk about: Ace (not his interaction with bc, though), Palmar, lurkers (preferably people you wouldn't expect to be lurking... for me, dr.h) Well, there are 3 replacements being called for. Not gonna try to divine alignment from people that aren't playing. Ace is a tricky one. The case I posted earlier before his interaction with BC was kinda bad, but I don't understand how he developed a scum read on me whatsoever.
what is your opinion on King Palmar?
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On April 23 2013 09:35 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:17 yamato77 wrote:On April 23 2013 09:14 Bill Murray wrote:On April 23 2013 09:12 yamato77 wrote:On April 23 2013 09:11 Bill Murray wrote:
I kind of disagree, WOS ^
I feel like his case is subjective, where it's largely meta based, and that's the reason I agree with it. I don't feel like he has much objectivity with it... in fact, he keeps saying he's going to be trying to catch the entire team, but I have only seen him tunneling, in general... sorry to overgeneralize
i'll try to be more specific... he's beating a dead horse Do you want me to talk about someone other than VE? I could talk about BC Don't talk about: BC, Oats, Me, Vivax, kushm4sta (or anyone else deterring your wagon) talk about: Ace (not his interaction with bc, though), Palmar, lurkers (preferably people you wouldn't expect to be lurking... for me, dr.h) Well, there are 3 replacements being called for. Not gonna try to divine alignment from people that aren't playing. Ace is a tricky one. The case I posted earlier before his interaction with BC was kinda bad, but I don't understand how he developed a scum read on me whatsoever. what is your opinion on King Palmar?
I'm pretty sure he's town.
Why do you think otherwise?
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On April 23 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Anyway to sum it up, I'm more sure of an Oats lynch than yamato; a lot of conflicted things going on with him that I just can't be sure of. Now, Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 08:49 TheRavensName wrote:On April 23 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why yall gotta ignore my post.
Why you gotta ignore my questions for you? Because you're obviously town and obviously searching in the wrong places. I'll indulge though because I know what it was like in my first big game; I see much of myself in you, young padawan. If you'd actually read my filter, you calling me wishy-washy doesn't make sense at all. I've had definite reads all game; just because I haven't voted anyone yet or had a very strong scumread doesn't make me scum. I don't have to post massive cases on people to be scumhunting. Those will come later.
Wouldn't this just lead me futher down the wrong path by letting my suspicions of you fester until they reach a boiling point?
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You're asking me questions that I've already mostly answered...this looks like you're prodding for the sake of prodding and that's why I'm hesitant because it seems like a waste of time especially when Oats has returned and maybe we can get something from him.
On April 23 2013 09:32 Vivax wrote:
tl dr:
What are your reads?
I have a bunch of townreads but you probably aren't interested in those. I believe Oats is scum atm but I'd like to hear a little bit more from him before voting. I will be looking into ShiaoPi eventually and another couple of people who I will not name right now as I don't want to derail anything further.
Do you think yamato is scum or not?
It's not a yes or no question. I believe I made it perfectly clear that I am not sure as to yamato's alignment. His posting could very well make him scum but it doesn't feel right to me.
Why did you hesitate to say that you think they cannot both be scum, and instead poked for others to tell you that?
You've said it yourself, by saying what I did I am guessing that both are not necessarily scum; I asked others for thoughts, I don't need anyone else to tell me that.
Does it seriously look to you like Oats could have been bussing yamato in that post?
Yes.
Does it look like yamato is so interested into lynching Oats over VE or Ace or BC?
Not right now, but it did before.
Why did a double bus concern you so much over the stuff about the two -connections aside- which already was in the thread? It doesn't 'concern me' necessarily, but at this point I want to be sure I'm voting for the right person before I commit so I want to consider the options.
All of these questions have essentially been previously answered by me; my thoughts haven't changed.
Oats what exactly is wrong with Giygas that you want him to die so much? Is there anything new about him since your vote? I believe he has posted a little since so there must be something.
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Alrighty then.
Need to make a decision before going to bed.
Hammer yamato and make it quick or wait for a majority on Oats?
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On April 23 2013 09:40 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Anyway to sum it up, I'm more sure of an Oats lynch than yamato; a lot of conflicted things going on with him that I just can't be sure of. Now, On April 23 2013 08:49 TheRavensName wrote:On April 23 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why yall gotta ignore my post.
Why you gotta ignore my questions for you? Because you're obviously town and obviously searching in the wrong places. I'll indulge though because I know what it was like in my first big game; I see much of myself in you, young padawan. If you'd actually read my filter, you calling me wishy-washy doesn't make sense at all. I've had definite reads all game; just because I haven't voted anyone yet or had a very strong scumread doesn't make me scum. I don't have to post massive cases on people to be scumhunting. Those will come later. Wouldn't this just lead me futher down the wrong path by letting my suspicions of you fester until they reach a boiling point?
Yes, but stuff like that is bound to happen anyway when dealing with newer players. I'm sorry to say it but the fact remains that unless you are exceptional, in a game like this with a lot of veteran players your (and sometimes my) voice is unlikely to be heard when following one line of suspicion to the bitter end. Essentially I know what to expect from you and I'm not worried about your suspicion of me due to the player interaction in this game. This isn't a jab at you or your skill. I'm more worried about Vivax's line of thinking derailing the thread than yours.
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GOOO SWITCH WAGONS FTW
##Unvote
##Vote: TRN
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On April 23 2013 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote:You're asking me questions that I've already mostly answered...this looks like you're prodding for the sake of prodding and that's why I'm hesitant because it seems like a waste of time especially when Oats has returned and maybe we can get something from him. Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:32 Vivax wrote:
tl dr:
What are your reads?
I have a bunch of townreads but you probably aren't interested in those. I believe Oats is scum atm but I'd like to hear a little bit more from him before voting. I will be looking into ShiaoPi eventually and another couple of people who I will not name right now as I don't want to derail anything further.
Do you think yamato is scum or not?
It's not a yes or no question. I believe I made it perfectly clear that I am not sure as to yamato's alignment. His posting could very well make him scum but it doesn't feel right to me.
Why did you hesitate to say that you think they cannot both be scum, and instead poked for others to tell you that?
You've said it yourself, by saying what I did I am guessing that both are not necessarily scum; I asked others for thoughts, I don't need anyone else to tell me that.
Does it seriously look to you like Oats could have been bussing yamato in that post?
Yes.
Does it look like yamato is so interested into lynching Oats over VE or Ace or BC?
Not right now, but it did before.
Why did a double bus concern you so much over the stuff about the two -connections aside- which already was in the thread? It doesn't 'concern me' necessarily, but at this point I want to be sure I'm voting for the right person before I commit so I want to consider the options.
All of these questions have essentially been previously answered by me; my thoughts haven't changed. Oats what exactly is wrong with Giygas that you want him to die so much? Is there anything new about him since your vote? I believe he has posted a little since so there must be something.
never mind I changed my mind. HAMMER HAMMER NOW.
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