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On May 03 2013 04:42 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 04:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On May 03 2013 04:34 yamato77 wrote:On May 03 2013 04:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
why the fuck is ace in that list? Should I care with which order I lynch anti-town elements in this game? Yes considering Ace's KP is controlled atm Only if you assume the JK plays along with our plan, and mafia doesn't already know who he is. If I can figure it out, I'm sure they aren't that stupid.
The only exception to the following is thus: You think Ace is mafia and bussed 2 of his teammates, and possibly a third.
No, it's quite demonstrably anti-town to lynch Ace. It's been explained several times. There are three situations where you lynch Ace:
One: At least one night before LyLo.
Two: If the jailer dies to a night kill. Even if the jailer dies to a night kill, Ace will still be RB'ed and thus cannot kill anyone, and he can be lynched without losing any townies.
Three: We have 5 dead mafia and the game has not ended.
Why do you people not understand this?
Ace is not in any way shape or form confirmed third party. He is the only candidate that could be third party (aside from a survivor) but lynching him is ANTI-TOWN.
Lynching him now means we give another night to the mafia members in return for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Unless our jailer pops up and goes "I'm not RB'ing Ace tonight" then there's no reason to lynch him.
On top of that, IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE HE'S NOT THIRD PARTY. If there's a scum Vigi still left alive (which is just as likely in my books as Ace being mafia just due to set up analysis) it would explain the exact same scenario we are in. So anyone not looking at that like it's a possibility is either not using their brain, or is mafia trying to push an agenda.
Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation.
TLDR; There's never a situation in which Ace kills a townie unless our jailer dies AND we spend the following day not lynching Ace. Ace is a bad lynch today.
I don't want to have to argue this anymore, I'm going to go read stuff, and if anyone tries to dispute this and cannot prove even a single specific scenario where this breaks down, I will just assume you're mafia and go from there because you will be pushing anti-town agendas with the knowledge that it has no benefit to town, and only helps mafia.
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I didn't promise a case. I just said I wanted to get my thoughts out before I died.
I cba if you're actually not going to kill me. Gonna play some dota instead.
also it's scummy to think I'm scum at this point.
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also, assuming ace is 3p, can someone like explain to me why it's a bad idea to just lynch him so the JK is free to try to counter the mafia nightkill?
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LOL hopeless is about to be lynched and all he can talk about is "dont lynch ace guys here's this essay on why"
please kill hopeless please kill him asap. we don't need this day to go on any longer actually.
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also, since the 3ps are compulsive, and there shouldn't have been 2 kills on night whateveritwas, isn't he almost confirmed? sharrant, explain to me why not?
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I we're not lynching Ace, then we're lynching Hopeless/BC.
Pick your sides, I don't really give a fuck. I want blood.
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On May 03 2013 05:06 Palmar wrote:
also, since the 3ps are compulsive, and there shouldn't have been 2 kills on night whateveritwas, isn't he almost confirmed? sharrant, explain to me why not?
Ace has been RB'ed every night except for night one. There was one kill one night one, two on night two. This shows Ace cannot be serial killer.
This does however open up the option of Serial Poisoner, he could have shot Grush on n1, and the poison killed him n2. However, mafia can have any number of any number of their oles, thus 2 vigis is not out of the question. We know one vigi died, but they could have a second who was able to take a shot on night 2. That is a situation that is entirely possible. It would make Ace appear as serial poisoner because he is the only person at this point capable of being third party, but it does not show that he is necessarily third party. It's entirely possible he's just unlucky.
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Okay, we get it, you like Ace.
Now pick.
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On May 03 2013 04:20 yamato77 wrote:
Well, it's painfully obvious to me that we should just RNG between Ace/Hopeless/BC and insta-lynch them.
List Randomizer
There were 3 items in your list. Here they are in random order:
Hopeless
Cobbler
Ace
Timestamp: 2013-05-02 19:20:03 UTC
Random.org has spoken. We lynch Hopeless.
You are advocating me (i know I am town) and Ace who is either 3p or town, and hopeless who given the context of the last few pages could easily be town or mafia.
However Given I know you don't give two shits now about finding scum in any logical manner and have been trying to get Ace lynched first off this list (because he might be 3rd off a ton of wifom bullshit).
You go first. No town member should be advocating a potential 3rd party player when we have mafia still alive. Especially when said potential third party has been pushing mafia lynches a fair bit this game. The only one who would give two shits about mafia dying quickly is rita skeeter as she wins if the game ends on any sides victory.
Plain and simple you are mafia. I cannot believed I have waffled so much about this all game.
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Sharrant you're wrong, there are no scum vigis left; if there were they wasted their shots on Ace or something. There is no way in hell scum would be sitting on vigi shots this late in the game. Ace is 3p, deal with it. I agree we don't lynch him yet.
Vote Hopeless and let's end this day because there doesn't seem to be anything left to say. Palmar is useless and this:
Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation.
is dumb. Have you not noticed Ace's considerable lack of contribution since being RBed every night? He has no desire to help town anymore because he knows he's caught. Your constant hard defenses of him in the face of overwhelming evidence troubles me, Sharrant. It seems like you've lost your way somewhere in this game.
##Vote: Hopeless1der
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I like yamato for lynch the best. He's been so completely different from the yamato I've seen play that I just don't like it. I think his hopeless push is just trying to move support towards an easy potential mislynch. I'd be willing to consolidate onto palmar, but I feel comfortable enough with everyone else after rereading.
#vote yam
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I'm picking Hopeless, gonna vote now.
###Vote Hopeless
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I actually do kinda agree that its not a bad idea to lynch Ace so we can use the jailer to try and save people. It would also give us another night hit to analyze.
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On May 03 2013 05:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 04:20 yamato77 wrote:
Well, it's painfully obvious to me that we should just RNG between Ace/Hopeless/BC and insta-lynch them.
List Randomizer
There were 3 items in your list. Here they are in random order:
Hopeless
Cobbler
Ace
Timestamp: 2013-05-02 19:20:03 UTC
Random.org has spoken. We lynch Hopeless. You are advocating me (i know I am town) and Ace who is either 3p or town, and hopeless who given the context of the last few pages could easily be town or mafia. However Given I know you don't give two shits now about finding scum in any logical manner and have been trying to get Ace lynched first off this list (because he might be 3rd off a ton of wifom bullshit). You go first. No town member should be advocating a potential 3rd party player when we have mafia still alive. Especially when said potential third party has been pushing mafia lynches a fair bit this game. The only one who would give two shits about mafia dying quickly is rita skeeter as she wins if the game ends on any sides victory. Plain and simple you are mafia. I cannot believed I have waffled so much about this all game.
Lol, you're bad.
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On May 03 2013 05:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Sharrant you're wrong, there are no scum vigis left; if there were they wasted their shots on Ace or something. There is no way in hell scum would be sitting on vigi shots this late in the game. Ace is 3p, deal with it. I agree we don't lynch him yet. Vote Hopeless and let's end this day because there doesn't seem to be anything left to say. Palmar is useless and this: Show nested quote +Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation. is dumb. Have you not noticed Ace's considerable lack of contribution since being RBed every night? He has no desire to help town anymore because he knows he's caught. Your constant hard defenses of him in the face of overwhelming evidence troubles me, Sharrant. It seems like you've lost your way somewhere in this game. ##Vote: Hopeless1der
How are you failing at reading so hard? If a scum vigi shot on night 2 it would be exactly the same as if a serial poisoner acted on night one. Please keep up. Lynching him hurts town right now.
I hate playing follow the cop, it's just boring.
I'm waffling on lynching Hopeless right now, going to try and figure out if I want to lynch Yamato more or less.
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If you guys still want to lynch me, you're not even reading the thread.
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yeah im yamato is scum he is a beyond amazing scumplayer.
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On May 03 2013 05:34 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 03 2013 04:20 yamato77 wrote:
Well, it's painfully obvious to me that we should just RNG between Ace/Hopeless/BC and insta-lynch them.
List Randomizer
There were 3 items in your list. Here they are in random order:
Hopeless
Cobbler
Ace
Timestamp: 2013-05-02 19:20:03 UTC
Random.org has spoken. We lynch Hopeless.You are advocating me (i know I am town) and Ace who is either 3p or town, and hopeless who given the context of the last few pages could easily be town or mafia. However Given I know you don't give two shits now about finding scum in any logical manner and have been trying to get Ace lynched first off this list (because he might be 3rd off a ton of wifom bullshit). You go first. No town member should be advocating a potential 3rd party player when we have mafia still alive. Especially when said potential third party has been pushing mafia lynches a fair bit this game. The only one who would give two shits about mafia dying quickly is rita skeeter as she wins if the game ends on any sides victory. Plain and simple you are mafia. I cannot believed I have waffled so much about this all game. Lol, you're bad.
Hey, Yamato, do you remember how I knew you were scum the first game we played together? Can you remember exactly what it was? I'll give you a hint, I didn't notice it before, but you did exactly the same thing in this game. Your play since then has been very different, but this play was virtually identical.
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On May 03 2013 05:35 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Sharrant you're wrong, there are no scum vigis left; if there were they wasted their shots on Ace or something. There is no way in hell scum would be sitting on vigi shots this late in the game. Ace is 3p, deal with it. I agree we don't lynch him yet. Vote Hopeless and let's end this day because there doesn't seem to be anything left to say. Palmar is useless and this: Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation. is dumb. Have you not noticed Ace's considerable lack of contribution since being RBed every night? He has no desire to help town anymore because he knows he's caught. Your constant hard defenses of him in the face of overwhelming evidence troubles me, Sharrant. It seems like you've lost your way somewhere in this game. ##Vote: Hopeless1der How are you failing at reading so hard? If a scum vigi shot on night 2 it would be exactly the same as if a serial poisoner acted on night one. Please keep up. Lynching him hurts town right now. I hate playing follow the cop, it's just boring. I'm waffling on lynching Hopeless right now, going to try and figure out if I want to lynch Yamato more or less.
Scum vigi had absolutely no reason to shoot Grush and if you're assuming it was a scum vigi shot that means you're assuming there is no KP 3rd party (meaning likely survivor). Possible but unlikely to me.
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On May 03 2013 05:43 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:34 yamato77 wrote:On May 03 2013 05:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 03 2013 04:20 yamato77 wrote:
Well, it's painfully obvious to me that we should just RNG between Ace/Hopeless/BC and insta-lynch them.
List Randomizer
There were 3 items in your list. Here they are in random order:
Hopeless
Cobbler
Ace
Timestamp: 2013-05-02 19:20:03 UTC
Random.org has spoken. We lynch Hopeless.You are advocating me (i know I am town) and Ace who is either 3p or town, and hopeless who given the context of the last few pages could easily be town or mafia. However Given I know you don't give two shits now about finding scum in any logical manner and have been trying to get Ace lynched first off this list (because he might be 3rd off a ton of wifom bullshit). You go first. No town member should be advocating a potential 3rd party player when we have mafia still alive. Especially when said potential third party has been pushing mafia lynches a fair bit this game. The only one who would give two shits about mafia dying quickly is rita skeeter as she wins if the game ends on any sides victory. Plain and simple you are mafia. I cannot believed I have waffled so much about this all game. Lol, you're bad. Hey, Yamato, do you remember how I knew you were scum the first game we played together? Can you remember exactly what it was? I'll give you a hint, I didn't notice it before, but you did exactly the same thing in this game. Your play since then has been very different, but this play was virtually identical.
This interests me.
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