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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 02 2013 17:19 GMT
#82
funny i feel like ive see a lot of these roles before

/in
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 12:15 GMT
#207
these plans are all stupid. 'tis the equivalent of a mass roleclaim in a regular game. it don't work.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 12:17 GMT
#211
what i mean by it tis simple: any vt's claim their intended role, some mafia claim another role that may or may not exist. or maybe they claim a role a higher mafia picked, or they share a pick with a vt. who knows. all that does is give mafia a list of roles in the game, and it does zog all for us.
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 12:20 GMT
#214
On April 04 2013 21:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On April 04 2013 19:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 04 2013 19:33 strongandbig wrote:
Afaik pyp games are often determined by "this bullshit". The picking phase strategy is a big part of the game.

And I sort of agree with denying scum roles, but we should limit it to one or maybe two roles, because if we have strong consensus townies early in the order then giving them actual good roles could be very powerful.

Also oats the draft order is public knowledge.



K right.

So we could just assign roles to all the people.

And if they dont picked the assigned role, we kill them, and if they use their role in a way that benefits scum we kill them.

And this will totally break the game as PYP, no?


why dont we do this?

uz an stinkeh grot is wot it is, how do we prove they picked the assigned role, and mo' impotantly uz just givin mafia all the roles in orda', clean as u please. bloody good job is what it is.
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 12:26 GMT
#220
On April 04 2013 21:22 Mocsta wrote:
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On April 04 2013 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 04 2013 21:17 Caller wrote:
what i mean by it tis simple: any vt's claim their intended role, some mafia claim another role that may or may not exist. or maybe they claim a role a higher mafia picked, or they share a pick with a vt. who knows. all that does is give mafia a list of roles in the game, and it does zog all for us.

Absolutely correct. You have no way of telling who is telling the truth and you might end up lynching a lot of good town roles just to figure out who is lying.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&currentpage=11#206

As I mentioned prior.

So far, I disagree.

i think this provides us a tool with which to facilitate scum hunting at some point in the game.

To use the claimed VT information to confirm people is ridiculous. - If that is your fixation, then I can see your point of view clearly.

yuz a bloody scum iz wot it iz, 'tis line of reasoning iz a classic scum trick of backing off any points and just tryin' tah win an argument, all inna name of pro-town biznes. Well oi ain't up fo that. Oi got mai oi on you boy.
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 12:28 GMT
#221
On April 04 2013 21:24 yamato77 wrote:
Caller, you're going to have to argue in specific against my plan if you want to gain any traction here. How is a FEW players from town stealing the WORST mafia roles at all bad for town? We just have to be good town hunters. That shouldn't be too difficult, no?

oi don't need to argue in specfc's, and i bloody don't need no traction. i'z just not gonna participate in yo shoddy scummy plan. dat' gonna ruin it neat as punch. I loik it when i can stomp on some git's planz without any effo't
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 12:37 GMT
#225
oi tell yu wot, i gots a goods plan 'ere. trouble is it'll take three days to resolve. but no worries mate. i just need ta pick rock star or somethin' like that, so i can be wit ya boyz long 'nough to see it through.
fo' now, everybody pick what you want, and den all gitz shuld' claim. BUT if uz a vanilla townie, uz shuld lie like a grot and make ups a role to claim. zis is all necesary' for moi plan, oite?
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 13:35 GMT
#249
oim tellin ya gits just do wot i say. any mo discussin' of deez bad scummy planz iz gonna be a big' ol scum flag fo me. so if you don' wanna incur da wrath of khaller i sugest ya gitz find somethin' else to dizcus. in meantime, just folo mah straterjee, oite?
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 13:39 GMT
#253
On April 04 2013 22:36 Restraining Order wrote:
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On April 04 2013 22:35 Caller wrote:
oim tellin ya gits just do wot i say. any mo discussin' of deez bad scummy planz iz gonna be a big' ol scum flag fo me. so if you don' wanna incur da wrath of khaller i sugest ya gitz find somethin' else to dizcus. in meantime, just folo mah straterjee, oite?

You mean, as opposed to claiming, you want people to claim. After you said claiming is nonsense and doesn't work.

naw ya gitz its quoit' simple

i gotz a plan, requirez three days, then everybody claims, and vanillas make up a claim. den we wait fo days 2 and 3. no infomation gets to the maf's that we townz' won't also knowz cuz the maf's can't trust any claims.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 13:47 GMT
#262
On April 04 2013 22:46 Restraining Order wrote:
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On April 04 2013 22:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 04 2013 22:41 Restraining Order wrote:
On April 04 2013 22:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 04 2013 22:36 Restraining Order wrote:
On April 04 2013 22:35 Caller wrote:
oim tellin ya gits just do wot i say. any mo discussin' of deez bad scummy planz iz gonna be a big' ol scum flag fo me. so if you don' wanna incur da wrath of khaller i sugest ya gitz find somethin' else to dizcus. in meantime, just folo mah straterjee, oite?

You mean, as opposed to claiming, you want people to claim. After you said claiming is nonsense and doesn't work.


New rule, whoever tries to get someone lynched of a joke is scum.

RO is scum.

Am I mafia independently of the first sentence, or did I already try to get someone lynched without myself noticing?


Pointing out contradictions is pointing out that the dude is lying and therefore scum. So yeah.

Also WHO ARE YOU

If I wanted to point out a person is mafia, I would have pointed out a person is mafia. However, I did no such thing.

ok, RO is confirmed for scum. Let's lynch him.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 13:56 GMT
#271
On April 04 2013 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On April 04 2013 22:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
That's true rayn, the plan does rely on the players that step up to be town. However it isn't a downside because the alternative is using no plan in which case scum can pick good roles anyway. Using this plan doesn't mean that the players that follow the RNG idea are instantly labeled town for the rest of the game. They'd still be under scrutiny. All it does is make it riskier for scum to pick one or two of the roles we consider the strongest for them.

I think the best plan is that everyone picks whatever they think it's best for the town. People are anyways going to claim roles later on in the game. Then we figure out if they are lying/telling the truth, is there a town or scum motivation for them to pick the role they did and/or does their explanation make sense from town/scum PoV.

this guys i also confirmed for scum
[b]##FOS[b]
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 14:07 GMT
#274
alrighit guys i have an actual plan

its very simple: we kill the visceraeyes.

##vote:VisceraEyes
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 14:12 GMT
#278
this aint a policy lynch, this is me just wanting to kill visceraeyes
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 14:18 GMT
#282
On April 04 2013 23:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Is there an ingame reason for it?

do i need a reason? i just wanna kill him.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 14:22 GMT
#285
On April 04 2013 23:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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On April 04 2013 23:18 Caller wrote:
On April 04 2013 23:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Is there an ingame reason for it?

do i need a reason? i just wanna kill him.

Depends on if you want us to vote for him too or not.
@Austin I don't have the time to read through that thread entirely, but from what I got out of it is that 3 people picked Janitor/CPR to ensure they had three people that could be held accountable for those actions? That sounds a bit excessive and I think we can get the same effect with less losses on blues from town's side.

he is mafia

vote for him or else you're scum
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 14:55 GMT
#299
nope, these discussions are still a waste of time and energy, and only feed mafia plans to base their number picks on. besides the roles rarely have an overall effect on the game, unless, say, you're a mole that does a listcheck night 1 that totally demolishes any half-thought out strategy.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 15:04 GMT
#306
On April 05 2013 00:03 Sharrant wrote:
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On April 05 2013 00:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 04 2013 23:56 yamato77 wrote:
On April 04 2013 23:44 deconduo wrote:
Morning all, things seem to have gotten heated pretty quickly. I've just skimmed the thread so far but I'm going to jump in with my opinion on the draft.

Setting predefined picks for the draft order tends to work out well for town. In fact it is a large reason for mafia getting caught out in the last two PYP games I played. However it is massively un-fun, and I feel goes against the spirit of the game. Its also the reason I got rid of the whole drafting phase in the PTP games I hosted.

If the majority want to go along with a pre-defined pick order, I'll co-operate. But given that there are almost three times more roles than players, why not have a free for all and play the game like its supposed to be played?

I've specifically addressed this point before, but I will reiterate.

You removed the draft order because of how you feel the game should be played. BC, then, made an obvious decision to NOT do that. Don't you think he has a reason for doing that? Should we just ignore possible advantages gained from setup just because we feel like it goes "against the spirit of the game"? If BC felt that way, why did he include the draft order? If he doesn't feel that way, why are you not trying your hardest to win? If it isn't against the rules, isn't it presumed by the host that it might happen?

oh god dont mention the host as a way of making your point.
Please dont.

Austin, arent the mafia favoured roles instantly killed when they are outed anyway, because they chose that role = they are mafia? Like we dont need to say 'OH YOU CONTRADICTED YOURSELF AT THE START. SCUM'

Also arent there only like 4-5 roles that everyone knows that are best for scum?

I just dont see how this discussion is a useful way to spend our time


And what, pray tell, is a more important way to spend our time at this very moment? What would you rather be discussing?

why we aren't voting to lynch visceraeyes, for starters
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 15:36 GMT
#326
but yamato i thought you said
(your post) is retarded and an anti-town sentiment. While it isn't alignment indicative, it is worth me saying; ignore the fuck out of Caller. This discussion has real meaning, or you can be sure that the no-bullshit player in yamato wouldn't be having it. You are not mafia for having this discussion, and real reads can be gotten here.


so wait first im retarded and anti-town but not alignment indicative (if im anti-town but that doesn't point anything about my alignment, what the fuck could that mean? hmm?), then you tell people to ignore me, then you suddenly think im mafia. but only after oats is trying to scumdefend me.

You've spent the entire early part of the game essentially trying to instigate debate and win credibility points through them. You claim that you're a no-bullshit person, then you start bullshitting. You claim I'm anti-town, but that doesn't mean I'm mafia. Then you about-face and claim that I am mafia. Then you start bullshitting and requesting bullshit that I am mafia. Given this, after receiving a few half-hearted answers, you'll claim that you just think I'm a stupid townie and that you were just scumhunting.

ACTUAL FOS on yamato77.

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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 15:36 GMT
#327
also if yamato flips, I'm pretty damn sure oats is mafia too.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 15:41 GMT
#329
just you two, actually, i withdraw any other accusations for now.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 15:42 GMT
#331
don't need to. it should be obvious.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 16:32 GMT
#343
all i know is that i'm going to a pick a role that will let me kill a certain two scum day 1
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 17:41 GMT
#364
disagree cuz ive already sent in [1][1]
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 17:47 GMT
#370
On April 05 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On April 05 2013 02:43 Vivax wrote:
It's ok caller, just means you will be the last one along with the designated elected townie mofo you'll contest. Hurt yourself bro.

I'll take a look at your options there. Seems like you like to pick the most active ones, but need to check if they're actually proposing malicious ideas. Disagreed on some stuff with sharrant, for example. It's like he wanted to leave "dangerous" roles open for scum.

It doesn't matter if they proposed good or bad ideas. Mafia is probably not going to push any ideas at all (because they all have a backdoor - because there are so many roles). Everyone pushing ideas regardless if they are good/bad are probably town at this point, especially the guys who are pushing ultimately bad ideas. :D

au contraire mafia will push any ideas even if they are "good" because their picking strategy never reflects what town is thinking and if they have a "good plan" they become more "townlike." or they participate. either way it looks good on them.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 17:53 GMT
#377
wait how does vivax know there are five mafia
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 17:57 GMT
#385
On April 05 2013 02:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On April 05 2013 02:53 Caller wrote:
wait how does vivax know there are five mafia

Elaborate plz?

in his plan he says mafia will match 3 townies and have 2 left over, so 5. how does he know there are 5 mafia?
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 17:58 GMT
#386
oh, im an idiot
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 04 2013 18:01 GMT
#390
On April 05 2013 02:59 geript wrote:
@Caller what do you think of my plan?
@All Would everyone be okay if I came up with a set of 5 pods of rolls and the pods to be selected from in specific picks? I'd expect some feedback and editing on them.

don't care about plans

fos keirathi
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 13:18 GMT
#724
i think everybody should claim their numbers now. I will shoot anybody who fails to do so.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 13:42 GMT
#728
On April 05 2013 22:33 Restraining Order wrote:
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On April 05 2013 22:32 Restraining Order wrote:
On April 05 2013 22:18 Caller wrote:
i think everybody should claim their numbers now. I will shoot anybody who fails to do so.

Why don't you claim picking [6][1]?

Wait, nvm, you picked the same first number as Snb, not me.

all wrong

wait, how do you know all this?
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 13:48 GMT
#731
On April 05 2013 22:45 Restraining Order wrote:
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On April 05 2013 22:42 Caller wrote:
On April 05 2013 22:33 Restraining Order wrote:
On April 05 2013 22:32 Restraining Order wrote:
On April 05 2013 22:18 Caller wrote:
i think everybody should claim their numbers now. I will shoot anybody who fails to do so.

Why don't you claim picking [6][1]?

Wait, nvm, you picked the same first number as Snb, not me.

all wrong

wait, how do you know all this?

basic math and shit.

explain for idiots like me please
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 13:50 GMT
#732
On April 05 2013 22:47 Mocsta wrote:
Caller; do you still think me/yam are scum?

why does it matter?
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 13:54 GMT
#735
On April 05 2013 22:50 Restraining Order wrote:
This is roughly where it stands, I didn't dig through to get all the second numbers for the 8's and 11's, but those don't matter that much.

Sn0_man - 1, 1? could theoretically also be 2 or 3 I guess, but no reason to disbelieve it.
obviousone - 234?
Raynpelikoneet - 5, 1
Sinani206 - 7, 2
Visceraeyes - 10, 10
Geript - something huge, 18, 12? can't remember
strongandbig - 234? same first as caller
Caller - 234? same first as snb, larger second
restraining order - 6, 2
Meapak_ziphh - 6, 3+
artanis[xp] - 11
sharrant - 11
gonzaw - 8
Austinmcc - 8
Keirathi - 8
Palmar - 8
Mocsta - 8
Shelvocke - 8
Deconduo - 8
Vivax - 8, 1
Oatmaster - 8, 1
billmurray - either 8 or didn't send
Yamato77 - not sent, tried 11

couldn't snb have picked 19 or 20? and meapak would have picked 11, no?
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 13:54 GMT
#736
On April 05 2013 22:53 Mocsta wrote:
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On April 05 2013 22:50 Caller wrote:
On April 05 2013 22:47 Mocsta wrote:
Caller; do you still think me/yam are scum?

why does it matter?

Cos thats been your piece de resistance for contributions thus far.

that's nice
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 14:03 GMT
#741
On April 05 2013 22:57 Restraining Order wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 22:54 Caller wrote:
On April 05 2013 22:50 Restraining Order wrote:
This is roughly where it stands, I didn't dig through to get all the second numbers for the 8's and 11's, but those don't matter that much.

Sn0_man - 1, 1? could theoretically also be 2 or 3 I guess, but no reason to disbelieve it.
obviousone - 234?
Raynpelikoneet - 5, 1
Sinani206 - 7, 2
Visceraeyes - 10, 10
Geript - something huge, 18, 12? can't remember
strongandbig - 234? same first as caller
Caller - 234? same first as snb, larger second
restraining order - 6, 2
Meapak_ziphh - 6, 3+
artanis[xp] - 11
sharrant - 11
gonzaw - 8
Austinmcc - 8
Keirathi - 8
Palmar - 8
Mocsta - 8
Shelvocke - 8
Deconduo - 8
Vivax - 8, 1
Oatmaster - 8, 1
billmurray - either 8 or didn't send
Yamato77 - not sent, tried 11

couldn't snb have picked 19 or 20? and meapak would have picked 11, no?

Yeah.
You could also both be [1, 1], sno, 2 or 3, obvious 3 or 4.
etc etc.

Not enough claims to make the list 100% foolproof true.

you seem awfully sure meapakk was 6 tho
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 14:14 GMT
#744
On April 05 2013 23:05 Restraining Order wrote:
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On April 05 2013 23:03 Caller wrote:
On April 05 2013 22:57 Restraining Order wrote:
On April 05 2013 22:54 Caller wrote:
On April 05 2013 22:50 Restraining Order wrote:
This is roughly where it stands, I didn't dig through to get all the second numbers for the 8's and 11's, but those don't matter that much.

Sn0_man - 1, 1? could theoretically also be 2 or 3 I guess, but no reason to disbelieve it.
obviousone - 234?
Raynpelikoneet - 5, 1
Sinani206 - 7, 2
Visceraeyes - 10, 10
Geript - something huge, 18, 12? can't remember
strongandbig - 234? same first as caller
Caller - 234? same first as snb, larger second
restraining order - 6, 2
Meapak_ziphh - 6, 3+
artanis[xp] - 11
sharrant - 11
gonzaw - 8
Austinmcc - 8
Keirathi - 8
Palmar - 8
Mocsta - 8
Shelvocke - 8
Deconduo - 8
Vivax - 8, 1
Oatmaster - 8, 1
billmurray - either 8 or didn't send
Yamato77 - not sent, tried 11

couldn't snb have picked 19 or 20? and meapak would have picked 11, no?

Yeah.
You could also both be [1, 1], sno, 2 or 3, obvious 3 or 4.
etc etc.

Not enough claims to make the list 100% foolproof true.

you seem awfully sure meapakk was 6 tho

You seem awfully unwilling to say what you picked yourself.

because its more fun this way
answer the question tho

and other people better claim numbers before i start shooting.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 14:17 GMT
#746
On April 05 2013 23:15 Restraining Order wrote:
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On April 05 2013 23:14 Caller wrote:
On April 05 2013 23:05 Restraining Order wrote:
On April 05 2013 23:03 Caller wrote:
On April 05 2013 22:57 Restraining Order wrote:
On April 05 2013 22:54 Caller wrote:
On April 05 2013 22:50 Restraining Order wrote:
This is roughly where it stands, I didn't dig through to get all the second numbers for the 8's and 11's, but those don't matter that much.

Sn0_man - 1, 1? could theoretically also be 2 or 3 I guess, but no reason to disbelieve it.
obviousone - 234?
Raynpelikoneet - 5, 1
Sinani206 - 7, 2
Visceraeyes - 10, 10
Geript - something huge, 18, 12? can't remember
strongandbig - 234? same first as caller
Caller - 234? same first as snb, larger second
restraining order - 6, 2
Meapak_ziphh - 6, 3+
artanis[xp] - 11
sharrant - 11
gonzaw - 8
Austinmcc - 8
Keirathi - 8
Palmar - 8
Mocsta - 8
Shelvocke - 8
Deconduo - 8
Vivax - 8, 1
Oatmaster - 8, 1
billmurray - either 8 or didn't send
Yamato77 - not sent, tried 11

couldn't snb have picked 19 or 20? and meapak would have picked 11, no?

Yeah.
You could also both be [1, 1], sno, 2 or 3, obvious 3 or 4.
etc etc.

Not enough claims to make the list 100% foolproof true.

you seem awfully sure meapakk was 6 tho

You seem awfully unwilling to say what you picked yourself.

because its more fun this way
answer the question tho

and other people better claim numbers before i start shooting.

What is there to answer?
I said it's not a 100% list and only a rough outline twice now, I don't think saying it a third time will fare any better, but I suppose I just did say it a third time, so there you go.

Have fun shooting yourself.

So why don't you repost that list with my suggested correction, no? ^_^
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Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 14:25 GMT
#749
On April 05 2013 23:23 Restraining Order wrote:
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On April 05 2013 23:17 Caller wrote:
On April 05 2013 23:15 Restraining Order wrote:
On April 05 2013 23:14 Caller wrote:
On April 05 2013 23:05 Restraining Order wrote:
On April 05 2013 23:03 Caller wrote:
On April 05 2013 22:57 Restraining Order wrote:
On April 05 2013 22:54 Caller wrote:
On April 05 2013 22:50 Restraining Order wrote:
This is roughly where it stands, I didn't dig through to get all the second numbers for the 8's and 11's, but those don't matter that much.

Sn0_man - 1, 1? could theoretically also be 2 or 3 I guess, but no reason to disbelieve it.
obviousone - 234?
Raynpelikoneet - 5, 1
Sinani206 - 7, 2
Visceraeyes - 10, 10
Geript - something huge, 18, 12? can't remember
strongandbig - 234? same first as caller
Caller - 234? same first as snb, larger second
restraining order - 6, 2
Meapak_ziphh - 6, 3+
artanis[xp] - 11
sharrant - 11
gonzaw - 8
Austinmcc - 8
Keirathi - 8
Palmar - 8
Mocsta - 8
Shelvocke - 8
Deconduo - 8
Vivax - 8, 1
Oatmaster - 8, 1
billmurray - either 8 or didn't send
Yamato77 - not sent, tried 11

couldn't snb have picked 19 or 20? and meapak would have picked 11, no?

Yeah.
You could also both be [1, 1], sno, 2 or 3, obvious 3 or 4.
etc etc.

Not enough claims to make the list 100% foolproof true.

you seem awfully sure meapakk was 6 tho

You seem awfully unwilling to say what you picked yourself.

because its more fun this way
answer the question tho

and other people better claim numbers before i start shooting.

What is there to answer?
I said it's not a 100% list and only a rough outline twice now, I don't think saying it a third time will fare any better, but I suppose I just did say it a third time, so there you go.

Have fun shooting yourself.

So why don't you repost that list with my suggested correction, no? ^_^

Because that would in no way be more likely to be accurate.

If you want to say you picked 6, say you picked 6.

why would it not be as accurate? you just said its not 100%. so my version is just as valid, no? just post my suggestion, please. I would like it to be there as I feel it is just as valid as your previous theory, assuming your assumptions are true.

im also too lazy to do it myself. not gonna claim yet tho ^_^
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Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 14:27 GMT
#751
On April 05 2013 23:26 Restraining Order wrote:
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On April 05 2013 23:25 Caller wrote:
On April 05 2013 23:23 Restraining Order wrote:
On April 05 2013 23:17 Caller wrote:
On April 05 2013 23:15 Restraining Order wrote:
On April 05 2013 23:14 Caller wrote:
On April 05 2013 23:05 Restraining Order wrote:
On April 05 2013 23:03 Caller wrote:
On April 05 2013 22:57 Restraining Order wrote:
On April 05 2013 22:54 Caller wrote:
[quote]
couldn't snb have picked 19 or 20? and meapak would have picked 11, no?

Yeah.
You could also both be [1, 1], sno, 2 or 3, obvious 3 or 4.
etc etc.

Not enough claims to make the list 100% foolproof true.

you seem awfully sure meapakk was 6 tho

You seem awfully unwilling to say what you picked yourself.

because its more fun this way
answer the question tho

and other people better claim numbers before i start shooting.

What is there to answer?
I said it's not a 100% list and only a rough outline twice now, I don't think saying it a third time will fare any better, but I suppose I just did say it a third time, so there you go.

Have fun shooting yourself.

So why don't you repost that list with my suggested correction, no? ^_^

Because that would in no way be more likely to be accurate.

If you want to say you picked 6, say you picked 6.

why would it not be as accurate? you just said its not 100%. so my version is just as valid, no? just post my suggestion, please. I would like it to be there as I feel it is just as valid as your previous theory, assuming your assumptions are true.

im also too lazy to do it myself. not gonna claim yet tho ^_^

How about no.

i'll shoot you if you don't
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Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 14:30 GMT
#752
seriously why won't you do it it'll take all of five seconds. be honest, why are you so scared.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 15:10 GMT
#767
you guys should stop arguing about this because im going to do what i want, shoot what i want, nuke what i want, and say what i want. so no point arguing.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 17:57 GMT
#788
you guys are silly, any half-decent mafia will not bother trying to set up some super secrets role strategy, they'd be better off picking roles they all want while stupid but loud townies keep chasing their tails and omgusing each other.

rather than work off some vague strategy that will fall apart in the first 5 minutes anyways.

Seriously, though, TOWNIES SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID TO DIE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY CAN KILL SCUM.

The best way for town to play this is simple. Fucking randomize everything. Free for all. Mafia has never been about the roles, its always been around killing the fucking scum and not leaking all of our blues. Its almost inevitable that mafia will end up with at least another KP anyways, and even if they don't, you assume they will. Operating on that principal, instead of trying to stop them from doing something they'll do anyways, we prepare enough weapons to stop them. This is what we call asymmetric information. So what if mafia get all the shooty roles, we'll find that out very quickly, and there are DOZENS of roles that let us return fire.

anybody that wants to waste town's time planning instead of scumhunting is either stupid town or scum. But scum will never back another scum's plan. They will, however, back other people's plans, or maybe lightly criticize them without wanting to expose themselves too far.

Someone asked me why I FOS Keirathi a while back. I'll tell you why. Look at his post history. It's all posts of "being helpful" and "discussing the format" and "lightly criticizing one of these bullshit plans." All typical red-as-fuck mafia scumbaggery. It was shit like that that made me shoot GMarshal Night 0 (whom was a mafia roleblocker that time). And don't forget that since nobody has a role yet, there's absolutely no reason for anybody to be acting like a blue, because there aren't any blues! So if they're fishy and scummy and CLEARLY NOT BLUE, what does this mean? I"ll say it. Keirathi is fucking scum.

As for Yamato, I'm actually leaning towards a third-party role given some of his posts, possibly survivor. Or he's townie. But Oats is still scummy as fuck for the same reasons I give for Keirathi above.

thats all ze~

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Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 17:59 GMT
#790
shit i even laid a trap earlier when i asked how vivax knew there were five mafia. The trick is that the most helpful people are almost always scum, nine-times out of ten. Townies, especially stupid ones, will either call me an idiot or say why, then call me an idiot. But nope Keirathi was helpful. Which is a good thing in people, but unfortunately a common trait among red scumbags.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 18:03 GMT
#792
On April 06 2013 03:00 Keirathi wrote:
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On April 06 2013 02:57 Caller wrote:
Someone asked me why I FOS Keirathi a while back. I'll tell you why. Look at his post history. It's all posts of "being helpful" and "discussing the format" and "lightly criticizing one of these bullshit plans." All typical red-as-fuck mafia scumbaggery. It was shit like that that made me shoot GMarshal Night 0 (whom was a mafia roleblocker that time). And don't forget that since nobody has a role yet, there's absolutely no reason for anybody to be acting like a blue, because there aren't any blues! So if they're fishy and scummy and CLEARLY NOT BLUE, what does this mean? I"ll say it. Keirathi is fucking scum.

Rofl, okay Caller.

And how, exactly, is that different from what a townie would do? Are townies never helpful? Do townies not discuss the setup? Do townies not criticize bullshit plans?

they do, but they also scumhunt. you haven't even tried to scumhunt. Townies especially don't just pontificate about the setup and try to "win arguments" like your post history shows. due to laziness i'm would rather not bother dissecting it on a case by case basis for the proles, but i will if i have to.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 18:26 GMT
#798
On April 06 2013 03:22 Keirathi wrote:
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On April 06 2013 03:03 Caller wrote:
On April 06 2013 03:00 Keirathi wrote:
On April 06 2013 02:57 Caller wrote:
Someone asked me why I FOS Keirathi a while back. I'll tell you why. Look at his post history. It's all posts of "being helpful" and "discussing the format" and "lightly criticizing one of these bullshit plans." All typical red-as-fuck mafia scumbaggery. It was shit like that that made me shoot GMarshal Night 0 (whom was a mafia roleblocker that time). And don't forget that since nobody has a role yet, there's absolutely no reason for anybody to be acting like a blue, because there aren't any blues! So if they're fishy and scummy and CLEARLY NOT BLUE, what does this mean? I"ll say it. Keirathi is fucking scum.

Rofl, okay Caller.

And how, exactly, is that different from what a townie would do? Are townies never helpful? Do townies not discuss the setup? Do townies not criticize bullshit plans?

they do, but they also scumhunt. you haven't even tried to scumhunt. Townies especially don't just pontificate about the setup and try to "win arguments" like your post history shows. due to laziness i'm would rather not bother dissecting it on a case by case basis for the proles, but i will if i have to.

You are right about one thing in this paragraph. I haven't been scumhunting (except for calling rayn out a bit). But, policy talk is the easiest thing in the world for mafia to participate in. Hell, they don't even have to have opinions. But really, over half of the thread hasn't been scumhunting, so why me and not, say, Palmar? deconduo? VE? I can keep listing people, but this conversation is pointless.

Where have been trying to "win arguments" though? Because that is the complete opposite of what I have been doing. I've been trying to make my opinion heard, but I haven't been forcing my opinion anywhere.

So yea, you're case basically boils down to "he's being too nice". Okay then.


That bolded sentence is the definition of textbook mafia early play. The rest of your argument isn't even one, you basically admit all my points are right, you ad hominem a few, and you ask what about x, y, and z.

unfortunately, x, y, and z haven't done all the things you've done together.

get'em, etc.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 18:49 GMT
#811
ugh, effort...


About the 'Force VTs to claim what they tried to take': I'm pretty meh about that idea, because it is extremely hard to track. I mean, lets say there's a scum in the 6th draft position. He picks, say, inventor and gets it. Then he says that he tried to pick Inventor and got VT. Now we almost HAVE to have a Role Cop check him to see if he's lying. If he's not, then we still have 6 people who could possibly be inventor.

wifom

Or lets take it a step deeper: scum in the 7th spot tries to take CPR Doc, and doesn't get it. His buddy in the 12th spot tries to take Inventor and gets it. Scum in 7th spot tells the thread that he tried to take Inventor and didn't get it. We have a rolecop check him and he is in fact vanilla. What the hell do we do in this situation?

more wifom
I just don't see any actual benefit to it, when it comes down to actually playing the game, outside from some theoretical (and completely obscure) information. And lots of misdirection opportunities for scum.

Having used wifom to prove your point, you then proceed to say that this gets nothing done (which was obvious to virtually every other person) and then almost as if you realized you should make it clear that you are anti-scum, use scum as one would use the word nazi to discredit the argument while simultaneously making it appear that you are not scum as a result of pointing this out.

could go through the rest, but it gets worse.

I was responding to geripts plan to full pod out the game. IE: people in slots 1-4 only pick roles A, B, C, or D. Players in slots 5-6 only pick roles from E, F, G, or H.

That's boring to me.

I'm fine with players being given first picks (in theory) if they are going to use them to deny scum roles. If they're just going to pick whatever they feel like, then I disagree.

First ambivalence (as long as it helps the town typical bullshit) followed by bullshit reason.

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On April 05 2013 14:06 Keirathi wrote:
On April 05 2013 14:00 geript wrote:
eh, I don't value investigation roles very highly. If people want to go for them, I'm not going to prevent it. I think that there are just better options available. As for protection roles, the only one I really like is jailkeeper. If you want to post a better list I would love to see it. As a matter of fact I think it would be good for other people to chime in on general draft strategy as it would give some of the slackers a better idea of what to go for.

Investigative roles are super strong, especially in a setup like this where if scum knows that we are taking investigative roles, they have to make a choice: either pick some misdirection roles to protect themselves (GF, Framer), or just hope they never get checked.

And, conversely, your list advocates taking basically every kill role. That means we could have like 6-8 KP flying around per day/night. How do you expect to win if we have no way to stop any of it? Just hope our townies are good enough to only hit scum? That's not very realistic, IMO. I'm trying to remember what game it was (Themed Mafia, I think). It was Pick Their Power instead of Pick Your Power, so each person had to create a role for someone else. Basically no one ended up giving anyone a protection role, and there were lots of KP roles. Town lost handily.



you've spent the entire time just bashing terrible ideas and making you look good by comparison. you honestly don't seem to want anything to get done. you play both sides against each other and try to smell like a rose. Well, I'm allergic to roses. To me, they smell like scum.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 18:51 GMT
#813
honestly i dont see any reason to go after obviousone just yet. I have no vibe from him and he hasn't aroused my attention at all. I feel like he's just being a townie that is trying to catch up on the thread. We'll see.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 18:52 GMT
#815
although now that i think about it he was the one that attacked my initial accusation on keirathi, didn't he? Could be some mutual chainsaw defense sorta thing going on here ~
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Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 18:56 GMT
#818
On April 06 2013 03:52 Keirathi wrote:
@Caller:

You missed the point. You called me scum for TRYING TO WIN ARGUMENTS. Then I say I wasn't trying to win arguments, I was just making my opinions known, and you call me scum for NOT TRYING TO WIN ARGUMENTS.

How can I be scum for both of those?

because it was a bloody trick, the very fact that you jumped on the intentionally shitty argument that I laid while simultaneously ignoring or ad homineming the far more damning points makes it obvious that you're not town, you're just a mafia trying to poke holes in an argument you think has no weight because its not even day 1 yet. Well, it has weight. Not as heavy as Palmar, but still.

An actual mafia tactic is to win points in debates by taking the right side or by simply participating. At the same time, mafia do not want to seem closed minded so they appeal to both sides of an argument, or spread themselves out onto both sides of an argument, without trying to piss anybody off. Which apparently, I have accomplished.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 05 2013 18:58 GMT
#820
On April 06 2013 03:57 Keirathi wrote:
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On April 06 2013 03:56 Caller wrote:
On April 06 2013 03:52 Keirathi wrote:
@Caller:

You missed the point. You called me scum for TRYING TO WIN ARGUMENTS. Then I say I wasn't trying to win arguments, I was just making my opinions known, and you call me scum for NOT TRYING TO WIN ARGUMENTS.

How can I be scum for both of those?

because it was a bloody trick, the very fact that you jumped on the intentionally shitty argument that I laid while simultaneously ignoring or ad homineming the far more damning points makes it obvious that you're not town, you're just a mafia trying to poke holes in an argument you think has no weight because its not even day 1 yet. Well, it has weight. Not as heavy as Palmar, but still.

An actual mafia tactic is to win points in debates by taking the right side or by simply participating. At the same time, mafia do not want to seem closed minded so they appeal to both sides of an argument, or spread themselves out onto both sides of an argument, without trying to piss anybody off. Which apparently, I have accomplished.

Oh, so it was all a brilliantly planned trap?

Got it.

Carry on.

wasn't very brilliant or planned but it suits my purposes.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 07 2013 01:32 GMT
#1194
is it time to kill peeps yet? no? back to sleep i go~
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Poland8075 Posts
April 07 2013 16:36 GMT
#1357
alright, games started, im going to say we should kill... artanis[xp]. And that's what I'm going to vote.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 02:19 GMT
#1516
Alright guys just kidding we kill ObviousOne.

I threw the vote on artanis because mafia love bandwagons. Now that we've gotten one, it seems pretty obvious to me that people we should be looking for are on the lower parts of the bandwagon list. But not the last one. Given that, who we we have?

Oatsmaster ##Vote: Artanis

As a rule I usually try to lynch the 3rd or 4th person on the bandwagon. Since I was the 3rd person on the bandwagon, that leaves Monsieur Oatsmaster as a rather fishy hanger-on to the bandwagon. I already made a case on why I wanted to lynch him, but I don't see him as a threat right now. Still keep dis in mind plox.

Meapak_Ziphh Vote: Artanis[XP]

Meapak_Ziphh? Who knows. I don't care enough right now to find out.

deconduo ##Vote: Shelvocke

Null tell.

Vivax ##Vote Sno_Man

Null tell.

Artanis[Xp] ##Vote: Shelvocke

I don't really know what Artanis is due to lack of effort, but this follow-on vote to deconduo is pretty scummy.

Palmar ##Vote Artanis[Xp]

:|

Shelvocke ##Vote Artanis[Xp]

ah, the typical OMGUS. Normally could be a townie war, except that this is a bandwagon. Very Scummy.

Keirathi ##Unvote

Hmm. You want to make my life interesting, do you? 8 times out of 10 that I see this, it is a mafia trying to get town cred for not voting for obvious day 1 townie lynch. Vewy Intewesting.

ObviousOne ##Vote Artanis[XP]

Ah, and we get to the core of the matter. This guy has done nothing but throw ambivalency around. Yet now he's so sure that he will hop-on the bandwagonn. If you were really not sure about this and you were town, you'd be like "HANG ONS GUYS I THINKS HE MIGHT BE OKAY" and then watch helplessly as the bandwagon gains infinite momentum and lynches innocent townie #1. But nope, instead you're like "but wait guys i read his meta and came out with some random conclusions that don't actually mean anything because meta is stupid especially among players that have played this game more than three days." I actually went ahead and read his filter for those games, and I think that your conclusions are bullshit that can easily be construed as whatever you want.. Given that he explicitly stated that as mafia he would be "next time" more involved, but that he simply got lost due to large amount of posts, do you expect any credence that his behaving similar to the previous game is any true indication of his alignment this game? No. You shouldn't. And it's a dumb reason for going on a dumb bandwagon, but it makes you look nice! VOTE THIS GUY.

yamato77 ##Vote Artanis

I'm fairly satisfied that yamato is town as it stands. I'll still jump on him in a heartbeat but I don't think he's mafia.

Restraining Order ##Vote: Artanis

Strangely enough, I think RO is town. Are you gonna get a reason for it? Nope.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 02:28 GMT
#1522
fuck you goznaw, we're lynching obviousone tonight. if he doesn't get lynched, i'm going to nuke him first, and then i'm going to nuke you. change your vote.

do i have nukes? ^_^ who knows
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 02:35 GMT
#1531
of course it's a fucking trap, everything i do is a fucking trap.

except girls. I check those very carefully. Never can be too safe.

But seriously. We lynch ObviousOne. Stop. We lynch OO not because of any pretenses. We lynch him because he is mafia. Is Artanis mafia? Who knows. I don't care right now.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 02:36 GMT
#1532
i mean shit i was the one that stole brilliantly and originally created suicide bomber Admiral Ackbar role. You expect me to not lay traps everywhere?
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 02:37 GMT
#1533
anyways we lynch obviousone today, or else he and goznaw will be piles of radioactive waste (maybe) tomorrow.

caller out~
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 11:53 GMT
#1662
stop
goznaw got shot

to me logical explanation is simple: artanis is a day vig and from the looks of things is going to be lynched, but he wanted to use his power before he died. That's it.

artanis claims before we lynch him. that's all that needs to be done.

Artanis, claim.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 13:54 GMT
#1679
geript, which is why i want him to claim now before he gets lynched.
ro, mafia dont need a role cop they can just be like "sometownie GREEN" for free assassin kills.
artanis, i dont understand what your words mean. try english. also claim. You're going to die at this rate to a lynch. Just claim. That's the only way we might let you go.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 13:57 GMT
#1683
On April 08 2013 22:56 Palmar wrote:
Caller knows what's up. Caller do you have nukes? Can you just force everyone to claim?

with or without nukes i can force people to claim
artanis this is your last chance to claim, if you don't claim in the next, lets say 6 hours, even if you claim afterwards we're still lynching you.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 14:13 GMT
#1688
oh artanis is here. very well claim in the next 30 minutes. or else.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 14:16 GMT
#1690
On April 08 2013 23:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 23:13 Caller wrote:
oh artanis is here. very well claim in the next 30 minutes. or else.

Threats aren't going to make me do something I consider anti town, even if it makes other people do something anti town. That's just retarded. I've already said why not.

artanis how is it "anti-town"
you're going to die right now. and i'm not even voting for you.
you might as well claim. we'll find your role on role-reveal anyways.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 14:19 GMT
#1692
On April 08 2013 23:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 23:16 Caller wrote:
On April 08 2013 23:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 08 2013 23:13 Caller wrote:
oh artanis is here. very well claim in the next 30 minutes. or else.

Threats aren't going to make me do something I consider anti town, even if it makes other people do something anti town. That's just retarded. I've already said why not.

artanis how is it "anti-town"
you're going to die right now. and i'm not even voting for you.
you might as well claim. we'll find your role on role-reveal anyways.

I already told you how it's anti town and I don't think I'm going to get lynched today because there are still townies that are willing to read my posts and actually consider that I might be, you know, town.

Very well. I will give you 26 minutes to claim your role or else I will seal your fate. Personally.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 14:28 GMT
#1696
On April 08 2013 23:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm good with a VE lynch as well snb.
Also if Caller goes wild wild west on me please lynch him after I flip.

you think i'm scared of a lynch? lol
i'd get a move on if i were you though. Please claim.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 14:37 GMT
#1699
thats nice vivax. artanis you have 8 minutes.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 14:40 GMT
#1702
On April 08 2013 23:38 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 23:37 Caller wrote:
thats nice vivax. artanis you have 8 minutes.

and what is his claim going to prove?

because he's going to be bloody lynched anyways. Who knows, we might have interesting revelations ^_^
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April 08 2013 14:41 GMT
#1704
artanis i REALLY dont care if i die if i kill you. At. All.

so you better claim, because your reasoning earlier didn't actually address the claim issue.
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April 08 2013 14:45 GMT
#1707
time's up.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 14:48 GMT
#1710
too late, your fate is sealed.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 14:52 GMT
#1713
On April 08 2013 23:50 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 23:48 Caller wrote:
too late, your fate is sealed.

Are you admitting to be "showtime' or soemthign lol

maybe i am, maybe i'm not. who knows?
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April 08 2013 14:58 GMT
#1717
well artanis, since you're dead anyways, why don't you claim?
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 15:02 GMT
#1721
On April 08 2013 23:58 Ghor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 08 2013 23:49 Mocsta wrote:
Rayn

i saw your vote for VE.

Lay it out for me hunny

I forgot to vote him earlier in the actual voting thread. I think he is really unproductive and before the game started (during picking/drafing phase) he had really bad ideas that couldn't work. He's not doing anything and with the NRA thing on the table it makes him even more scummy because i know at least i am not the NRA guy.

I don't want to lynch Artanis, i don't think he is scummy. He didn't push his idea to the fullest but noone who were giving out ideas didn't do it. It was really obvious no idea was going to work because ~3/4 of the players straight out refused to contribute anything on the ideas.


Giving out your opinion on Artanis after Caller seemingly shot him is pretty useless, and scummy. Will you lynch Caller if Artanis flips green or not?That's what matters.

who are you?
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 15:05 GMT
#1724
trust me when i say this. artanis is dead, he just doesn't know it yet.
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 15:13 GMT
#1734
inb4 oatsmaster scumslip
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 15:41 GMT
#1746
you don't have to be mad, it's only game
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 16:04 GMT
#1758
On April 09 2013 01:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Caller can you state with certainty that by the time this day ends artanis will be dead?

fixed that for you
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 16:09 GMT
#1761
On April 09 2013 01:07 Sn0_Man wrote:
How abouts we lynch sinani instead. His filter is 1 page + 2 posts, everybody can afford to go through it.

His interactions with gonzaw's claim are really bad (like, extremely scum-motivated), and he demonstrates that he is actually reading yet he fails to write more than 1 line except an easy bandwagon on to S&B when his lynch looked popular.

PS: Shevlocke really looks like a bad lynch to me. His posts look like he is reading and thinking about the game, and they look pretty insightful. I want to give him a chance N1/D2 to achieve something. I think I'd lynch VE before him.

Either way, I'm off to find the voting topic. Since it seems customary to do this here as well,

##Vote: sinani206

hey sn0_man can you explain why you picked [3][5]?
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 16:13 GMT
#1763
On April 09 2013 01:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 01:09 Caller wrote:
On April 09 2013 01:07 Sn0_Man wrote:
How abouts we lynch sinani instead. His filter is 1 page + 2 posts, everybody can afford to go through it.

His interactions with gonzaw's claim are really bad (like, extremely scum-motivated), and he demonstrates that he is actually reading yet he fails to write more than 1 line except an easy bandwagon on to S&B when his lynch looked popular.

PS: Shevlocke really looks like a bad lynch to me. His posts look like he is reading and thinking about the game, and they look pretty insightful. I want to give him a chance N1/D2 to achieve something. I think I'd lynch VE before him.

Either way, I'm off to find the voting topic. Since it seems customary to do this here as well,

##Vote: sinani206

hey sn0_man can you explain why you picked [3][5]?

Hey Caller can you explain why you are shitting up the thread for no reason?

answer my question and i'll answer yours!
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 16:27 GMT
#1767
Please calm down. It's only a game.
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 19:05 GMT
#1797
lawl
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 19:07 GMT
#1802
On April 08 2013 20:53 Caller wrote:
stop
goznaw got shot

to me logical explanation is simple: artanis is a day vig and from the looks of things is going to be lynched, but he wanted to use his power before he died. That's it.

artanis claims before we lynch him. that's all that needs to be done.

Artanis, claim.

praise be ter d'emprah
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 19:16 GMT
#1815
Visceraeyes: geript, Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, Oatsmaster, strongandbig, Artanis[xp], Restraining Order, Shelvocke

might be a good place to start
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 19:16 GMT
#1816
no, i didn't double lynch.
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 19:24 GMT
#1824
no seriously i'm not the emperor, somebody else did that
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 19:27 GMT
#1828
in all honesty whatever i did had no impact on the outcome. i think.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 19:29 GMT
#1831
no, voterigger didnt do anything, if there is one

i did end the day, but since there was double lynch both of them wouldve died anyways
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 19:34 GMT
#1840
oh, vote rigger has a double lynch? fuck i shouldve picked that
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 19:38 GMT
#1844
i've already told you i'm not emperor, im showtime and ended the day. now i'm for all intents and purposes a VT. o/
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 19:44 GMT
#1850
On April 09 2013 04:43 deconduo wrote:
Actually nvm, Artanis was pushing hard for shelvocke so he's probably not scum.

au contraire he could have been bussing
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 20:06 GMT
#1869
guys i have this amazing idea

if there is emprah all they ahve to do is wait till tmrw then claim and do double lynch. since emprah is most likely in the VE vote list, where there is almost certainly mafia and lots of it, this will thin out the list some more. and its easy as hell to filter out any fake claims.

npnp
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 20:22 GMT
#1874
i'm bad so lets lynch obviousone tomorrow actually
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 21:13 GMT
#1902
geript you are true hero for killing ve off, im just sad i wasnt able to do it myself.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 21:19 GMT
#1906
btw people im pretty sure this is the order of events that went down:

a) goznaw calls out artanis
b) people start bandwagoning
c) artanis shoots goznaw, other mafia +town try to direct the lynch momentum to VE, as unlimited assassin gf is an insanely valuable role
d) i be a dick
e) some extra lynch schenanigans
f) ???
g) PROFIT.
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 21:56 GMT
#1916
mafia please kill me i am confirmed town and i want to go shake goznaw's hand in the afterlife qt
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 09 2013 00:56 GMT
#1976
k i'm bored, let's kill this guy
raynpelikoneet

reason: why not
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 09 2013 01:37 GMT
#2004
so lets lynch rayn please
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 09 2013 11:52 GMT
#2078
lets kill rayn pls
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 09 2013 12:18 GMT
#2080
On April 09 2013 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 20:52 Caller wrote:
lets kill rayn pls

If you really want to kill me you should probably tell people why. Unless you can do that by yourself in which case you don't have to. It's gonna be a shame though if you do that.

oh yeah? why's that?
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 09 2013 13:57 GMT
#2109
wait, and sn0_man got mad at me for shitting up the thread?
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 09 2013 18:12 GMT
#2132
so can we kill rayn please
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 09 2013 21:09 GMT
#2135
On April 10 2013 05:38 strongandbig wrote:
gaaaaar why is no one posting
caller why do you want to kill ryan

is it just because you think he's the scummiest person who voted for ve?

sure, why not
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 10 2013 03:12 GMT
#2268
Showtime aka [best]alive NEVER FORGET
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 18 2013 11:56 GMT
#4102
2/10 may play again
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 18 2013 13:08 GMT
#4112
you guys really worried us that you were going to throw the game
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 18 2013 14:28 GMT
#4124
On April 18 2013 23:24 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yay GG we win.

Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 23:15 Dandel Ion wrote:
Well, the BM stuff was self-resolving, so I didn't care about it.

This was exactly my take on it. Caller was mad in the OBS QT that we believed BM but we really didn't, we just knew that if scum didn't die he had out-and-out scumclaimed. If he had correctly claimed the town bonus for his role instead of one he made up (obviously he might not have known what the town bonus was) he may have been able to wriggle out of a lynch, but unlikely.

yet at the same time certain people were building connection cases out of me being mafia
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
April 18 2013 15:43 GMT
#4138
stop talking about how bad these guys were and more about how awesome me + goznaw + palmar were
NEED EPEEN
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Poland8075 Posts
April 18 2013 15:47 GMT
#4141
On April 19 2013 00:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Nah Caller, town won because town spammed the shit out of the thread and scum went afk (with the exception of BM) until it was too late.
Then afked some more.

im sorry i cant hear you over the sound of you being mad
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