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uz an stinkeh grot is wot it is, how do we prove they picked the assigned role, and mo' impotantly uz just givin mafia all the roles in orda', clean as u please. bloody good job is what it is. | ||
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On April 04 2013 21:22 Mocsta wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=11#206 As I mentioned prior. So far, I disagree. i think this provides us a tool with which to facilitate scum hunting at some point in the game. To use the claimed VT information to confirm people is ridiculous. - If that is your fixation, then I can see your point of view clearly. yuz a bloody scum iz wot it iz, 'tis line of reasoning iz a classic scum trick of backing off any points and just tryin' tah win an argument, all inna name of pro-town biznes. Well oi ain't up fo that. Oi got mai oi on you boy. | ||
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On April 04 2013 21:24 yamato77 wrote: Caller, you're going to have to argue in specific against my plan if you want to gain any traction here. How is a FEW players from town stealing the WORST mafia roles at all bad for town? We just have to be good town hunters. That shouldn't be too difficult, no? oi don't need to argue in specfc's, and i bloody don't need no traction. i'z just not gonna participate in yo shoddy scummy plan. dat' gonna ruin it neat as punch. I loik it when i can stomp on some git's planz without any effo't | ||
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fo' now, everybody pick what you want, and den all gitz shuld' claim. BUT if uz a vanilla townie, uz shuld lie like a grot and make ups a role to claim. zis is all necesary' for moi plan, oite? | ||
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On April 04 2013 22:36 Restraining Order wrote: You mean, as opposed to claiming, you want people to claim. After you said claiming is nonsense and doesn't work. naw ya gitz its quoit' simple i gotz a plan, requirez three days, then everybody claims, and vanillas make up a claim. den we wait fo days 2 and 3. no infomation gets to the maf's that we townz' won't also knowz cuz the maf's can't trust any claims. | ||
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On April 04 2013 22:46 Restraining Order wrote: If I wanted to point out a person is mafia, I would have pointed out a person is mafia. However, I did no such thing. ok, RO is confirmed for scum. Let's lynch him. | ||
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On April 04 2013 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think the best plan is that everyone picks whatever they think it's best for the town. People are anyways going to claim roles later on in the game. Then we figure out if they are lying/telling the truth, is there a town or scum motivation for them to pick the role they did and/or does their explanation make sense from town/scum PoV. this guys i also confirmed for scum [b]##FOS[b] | ||
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its very simple: we kill the visceraeyes. ##vote:VisceraEyes | ||
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On April 04 2013 23:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Is there an ingame reason for it? do i need a reason? i just wanna kill him. | ||
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On April 04 2013 23:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Depends on if you want us to vote for him too or not. @Austin I don't have the time to read through that thread entirely, but from what I got out of it is that 3 people picked Janitor/CPR to ensure they had three people that could be held accountable for those actions? That sounds a bit excessive and I think we can get the same effect with less losses on blues from town's side. he is mafia vote for him or else you're scum | ||
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On April 05 2013 00:03 Sharrant wrote: And what, pray tell, is a more important way to spend our time at this very moment? What would you rather be discussing? why we aren't voting to lynch visceraeyes, for starters | ||
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(your post) is retarded and an anti-town sentiment. While it isn't alignment indicative, it is worth me saying; ignore the fuck out of Caller. This discussion has real meaning, or you can be sure that the no-bullshit player in yamato wouldn't be having it. You are not mafia for having this discussion, and real reads can be gotten here. so wait first im retarded and anti-town but not alignment indicative (if im anti-town but that doesn't point anything about my alignment, what the fuck could that mean? hmm?), then you tell people to ignore me, then you suddenly think im mafia. but only after oats is trying to scumdefend me. You've spent the entire early part of the game essentially trying to instigate debate and win credibility points through them. You claim that you're a no-bullshit person, then you start bullshitting. You claim I'm anti-town, but that doesn't mean I'm mafia. Then you about-face and claim that I am mafia. Then you start bullshitting and requesting bullshit that I am mafia. Given this, after receiving a few half-hearted answers, you'll claim that you just think I'm a stupid townie and that you were just scumhunting. ACTUAL FOS on yamato77. | ||
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On April 05 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: It doesn't matter if they proposed good or bad ideas. Mafia is probably not going to push any ideas at all (because they all have a backdoor - because there are so many roles). Everyone pushing ideas regardless if they are good/bad are probably town at this point, especially the guys who are pushing ultimately bad ideas. :D au contraire mafia will push any ideas even if they are "good" because their picking strategy never reflects what town is thinking and if they have a "good plan" they become more "townlike." or they participate. either way it looks good on them. | ||
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in his plan he says mafia will match 3 townies and have 2 left over, so 5. how does he know there are 5 mafia? | ||
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On April 05 2013 02:59 geript wrote: @Caller what do you think of my plan? @All Would everyone be okay if I came up with a set of 5 pods of rolls and the pods to be selected from in specific picks? I'd expect some feedback and editing on them. don't care about plans fos keirathi | ||
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On April 05 2013 22:33 Restraining Order wrote: Wait, nvm, you picked the same first number as Snb, not me. all wrong wait, how do you know all this? | ||
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explain for idiots like me please | ||
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On April 05 2013 22:47 Mocsta wrote: Caller; do you still think me/yam are scum? why does it matter? | ||
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On April 05 2013 22:50 Restraining Order wrote: This is roughly where it stands, I didn't dig through to get all the second numbers for the 8's and 11's, but those don't matter that much. Sn0_man - 1, 1? could theoretically also be 2 or 3 I guess, but no reason to disbelieve it. obviousone - 234? Raynpelikoneet - 5, 1 Sinani206 - 7, 2 Visceraeyes - 10, 10 Geript - something huge, 18, 12? can't remember strongandbig - 234? same first as caller Caller - 234? same first as snb, larger second restraining order - 6, 2 Meapak_ziphh - 6, 3+ artanis[xp] - 11 sharrant - 11 gonzaw - 8 Austinmcc - 8 Keirathi - 8 Palmar - 8 Mocsta - 8 Shelvocke - 8 Deconduo - 8 Vivax - 8, 1 Oatmaster - 8, 1 billmurray - either 8 or didn't send Yamato77 - not sent, tried 11 couldn't snb have picked 19 or 20? and meapak would have picked 11, no? | ||
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On April 05 2013 22:53 Mocsta wrote: Cos thats been your piece de resistance for contributions thus far. that's nice | ||
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On April 05 2013 22:57 Restraining Order wrote: Yeah. You could also both be [1, 1], sno, 2 or 3, obvious 3 or 4. etc etc. Not enough claims to make the list 100% foolproof true. you seem awfully sure meapakk was 6 tho | ||
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On April 05 2013 23:05 Restraining Order wrote: You seem awfully unwilling to say what you picked yourself. because its more fun this way answer the question tho and other people better claim numbers before i start shooting. | ||
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On April 05 2013 23:15 Restraining Order wrote: What is there to answer? I said it's not a 100% list and only a rough outline twice now, I don't think saying it a third time will fare any better, but I suppose I just did say it a third time, so there you go. Have fun shooting yourself. So why don't you repost that list with my suggested correction, no? ^_^ | ||
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On April 05 2013 23:23 Restraining Order wrote: Because that would in no way be more likely to be accurate. If you want to say you picked 6, say you picked 6. why would it not be as accurate? you just said its not 100%. so my version is just as valid, no? just post my suggestion, please. I would like it to be there as I feel it is just as valid as your previous theory, assuming your assumptions are true. im also too lazy to do it myself. not gonna claim yet tho ^_^ | ||
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i'll shoot you if you don't | ||
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rather than work off some vague strategy that will fall apart in the first 5 minutes anyways. Seriously, though, TOWNIES SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID TO DIE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY CAN KILL SCUM. The best way for town to play this is simple. Fucking randomize everything. Free for all. Mafia has never been about the roles, its always been around killing the fucking scum and not leaking all of our blues. Its almost inevitable that mafia will end up with at least another KP anyways, and even if they don't, you assume they will. Operating on that principal, instead of trying to stop them from doing something they'll do anyways, we prepare enough weapons to stop them. This is what we call asymmetric information. So what if mafia get all the shooty roles, we'll find that out very quickly, and there are DOZENS of roles that let us return fire. anybody that wants to waste town's time planning instead of scumhunting is either stupid town or scum. But scum will never back another scum's plan. They will, however, back other people's plans, or maybe lightly criticize them without wanting to expose themselves too far. Someone asked me why I FOS Keirathi a while back. I'll tell you why. Look at his post history. It's all posts of "being helpful" and "discussing the format" and "lightly criticizing one of these bullshit plans." All typical red-as-fuck mafia scumbaggery. It was shit like that that made me shoot GMarshal Night 0 (whom was a mafia roleblocker that time). And don't forget that since nobody has a role yet, there's absolutely no reason for anybody to be acting like a blue, because there aren't any blues! So if they're fishy and scummy and CLEARLY NOT BLUE, what does this mean? I"ll say it. Keirathi is fucking scum. As for Yamato, I'm actually leaning towards a third-party role given some of his posts, possibly survivor. Or he's townie. But Oats is still scummy as fuck for the same reasons I give for Keirathi above. thats all ze~ | ||
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On April 06 2013 03:00 Keirathi wrote: Rofl, okay Caller. And how, exactly, is that different from what a townie would do? Are townies never helpful? Do townies not discuss the setup? Do townies not criticize bullshit plans? they do, but they also scumhunt. you haven't even tried to scumhunt. Townies especially don't just pontificate about the setup and try to "win arguments" like your post history shows. due to laziness i'm would rather not bother dissecting it on a case by case basis for the proles, but i will if i have to. | ||
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On April 06 2013 03:22 Keirathi wrote: You are right about one thing in this paragraph. I haven't been scumhunting (except for calling rayn out a bit). But, policy talk is the easiest thing in the world for mafia to participate in. Hell, they don't even have to have opinions. But really, over half of the thread hasn't been scumhunting, so why me and not, say, Palmar? deconduo? VE? I can keep listing people, but this conversation is pointless. Where have been trying to "win arguments" though? Because that is the complete opposite of what I have been doing. I've been trying to make my opinion heard, but I haven't been forcing my opinion anywhere. So yea, you're case basically boils down to "he's being too nice". Okay then. That bolded sentence is the definition of textbook mafia early play. The rest of your argument isn't even one, you basically admit all my points are right, you ad hominem a few, and you ask what about x, y, and z. unfortunately, x, y, and z haven't done all the things you've done together. get'em, etc. | ||
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About the 'Force VTs to claim what they tried to take': I'm pretty meh about that idea, because it is extremely hard to track. I mean, lets say there's a scum in the 6th draft position. He picks, say, inventor and gets it. Then he says that he tried to pick Inventor and got VT. Now we almost HAVE to have a Role Cop check him to see if he's lying. If he's not, then we still have 6 people who could possibly be inventor. wifom Or lets take it a step deeper: scum in the 7th spot tries to take CPR Doc, and doesn't get it. His buddy in the 12th spot tries to take Inventor and gets it. Scum in 7th spot tells the thread that he tried to take Inventor and didn't get it. We have a rolecop check him and he is in fact vanilla. What the hell do we do in this situation? more wifom I just don't see any actual benefit to it, when it comes down to actually playing the game, outside from some theoretical (and completely obscure) information. And lots of misdirection opportunities for scum. Having used wifom to prove your point, you then proceed to say that this gets nothing done (which was obvious to virtually every other person) and then almost as if you realized you should make it clear that you are anti-scum, use scum as one would use the word nazi to discredit the argument while simultaneously making it appear that you are not scum as a result of pointing this out. could go through the rest, but it gets worse. I was responding to geripts plan to full pod out the game. IE: people in slots 1-4 only pick roles A, B, C, or D. Players in slots 5-6 only pick roles from E, F, G, or H. That's boring to me. I'm fine with players being given first picks (in theory) if they are going to use them to deny scum roles. If they're just going to pick whatever they feel like, then I disagree. First ambivalence (as long as it helps the town typical bullshit) followed by bullshit reason. you've spent the entire time just bashing terrible ideas and making you look good by comparison. you honestly don't seem to want anything to get done. you play both sides against each other and try to smell like a rose. Well, I'm allergic to roses. To me, they smell like scum. | ||
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On April 06 2013 03:52 Keirathi wrote: @Caller: You missed the point. You called me scum for TRYING TO WIN ARGUMENTS. Then I say I wasn't trying to win arguments, I was just making my opinions known, and you call me scum for NOT TRYING TO WIN ARGUMENTS. How can I be scum for both of those? because it was a bloody trick, the very fact that you jumped on the intentionally shitty argument that I laid while simultaneously ignoring or ad homineming the far more damning points makes it obvious that you're not town, you're just a mafia trying to poke holes in an argument you think has no weight because its not even day 1 yet. Well, it has weight. Not as heavy as Palmar, but still. An actual mafia tactic is to win points in debates by taking the right side or by simply participating. At the same time, mafia do not want to seem closed minded so they appeal to both sides of an argument, or spread themselves out onto both sides of an argument, without trying to piss anybody off. Which apparently, I have accomplished. | ||
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On April 06 2013 03:57 Keirathi wrote: Oh, so it was all a brilliantly planned trap? Got it. Carry on. wasn't very brilliant or planned but it suits my purposes. | ||
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I threw the vote on artanis because mafia love bandwagons. Now that we've gotten one, it seems pretty obvious to me that people we should be looking for are on the lower parts of the bandwagon list. But not the last one. Given that, who we we have? Oatsmaster ##Vote: Artanis As a rule I usually try to lynch the 3rd or 4th person on the bandwagon. Since I was the 3rd person on the bandwagon, that leaves Monsieur Oatsmaster as a rather fishy hanger-on to the bandwagon. I already made a case on why I wanted to lynch him, but I don't see him as a threat right now. Still keep dis in mind plox. Meapak_Ziphh Vote: Artanis[XP] Meapak_Ziphh? Who knows. I don't care enough right now to find out. deconduo ##Vote: Shelvocke Null tell. Vivax ##Vote Sno_Man Null tell. Artanis[Xp] ##Vote: Shelvocke I don't really know what Artanis is due to lack of effort, but this follow-on vote to deconduo is pretty scummy. Palmar ##Vote Artanis[Xp] :| Shelvocke ##Vote Artanis[Xp] ah, the typical OMGUS. Normally could be a townie war, except that this is a bandwagon. Very Scummy. Keirathi ##Unvote Hmm. You want to make my life interesting, do you? 8 times out of 10 that I see this, it is a mafia trying to get town cred for not voting for obvious day 1 townie lynch. Vewy Intewesting. ObviousOne ##Vote Artanis[XP] Ah, and we get to the core of the matter. This guy has done nothing but throw ambivalency around. Yet now he's so sure that he will hop-on the bandwagonn. If you were really not sure about this and you were town, you'd be like "HANG ONS GUYS I THINKS HE MIGHT BE OKAY" and then watch helplessly as the bandwagon gains infinite momentum and lynches innocent townie #1. But nope, instead you're like "but wait guys i read his meta and came out with some random conclusions that don't actually mean anything because meta is stupid especially among players that have played this game more than three days." I actually went ahead and read his filter for those games, and I think that your conclusions are bullshit that can easily be construed as whatever you want.. Given that he explicitly stated that as mafia he would be "next time" more involved, but that he simply got lost due to large amount of posts, do you expect any credence that his behaving similar to the previous game is any true indication of his alignment this game? No. You shouldn't. And it's a dumb reason for going on a dumb bandwagon, but it makes you look nice! VOTE THIS GUY. yamato77 ##Vote Artanis I'm fairly satisfied that yamato is town as it stands. I'll still jump on him in a heartbeat but I don't think he's mafia. Restraining Order ##Vote: Artanis Strangely enough, I think RO is town. Are you gonna get a reason for it? Nope. | ||
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do i have nukes? ^_^ who knows | ||
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except girls. I check those very carefully. Never can be too safe. But seriously. We lynch ObviousOne. Stop. We lynch OO not because of any pretenses. We lynch him because he is mafia. Is Artanis mafia? Who knows. I don't care right now. | ||
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goznaw got shot to me logical explanation is simple: artanis is a day vig and from the looks of things is going to be lynched, but he wanted to use his power before he died. That's it. artanis claims before we lynch him. that's all that needs to be done. Artanis, claim. | ||
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ro, mafia dont need a role cop they can just be like "sometownie GREEN" for free assassin kills. artanis, i dont understand what your words mean. try english. also claim. You're going to die at this rate to a lynch. Just claim. That's the only way we might let you go. | ||
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On April 08 2013 22:56 Palmar wrote: Caller knows what's up. Caller do you have nukes? Can you just force everyone to claim? with or without nukes i can force people to claim artanis this is your last chance to claim, if you don't claim in the next, lets say 6 hours, even if you claim afterwards we're still lynching you. | ||
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On April 08 2013 23:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Threats aren't going to make me do something I consider anti town, even if it makes other people do something anti town. That's just retarded. I've already said why not. artanis how is it "anti-town" you're going to die right now. and i'm not even voting for you. you might as well claim. we'll find your role on role-reveal anyways. | ||
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On April 08 2013 23:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I already told you how it's anti town and I don't think I'm going to get lynched today because there are still townies that are willing to read my posts and actually consider that I might be, you know, town. Very well. I will give you 26 minutes to claim your role or else I will seal your fate. Personally. | ||
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On April 08 2013 23:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm good with a VE lynch as well snb. Also if Caller goes wild wild west on me please lynch him after I flip. you think i'm scared of a lynch? lol i'd get a move on if i were you though. Please claim. | ||
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because he's going to be bloody lynched anyways. Who knows, we might have interesting revelations ^_^ | ||
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so you better claim, because your reasoning earlier didn't actually address the claim issue. | ||
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On April 08 2013 23:50 Mocsta wrote: Are you admitting to be "showtime' or soemthign lol maybe i am, maybe i'm not. who knows? | ||
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On April 08 2013 23:58 Ghor wrote: Giving out your opinion on Artanis after Caller seemingly shot him is pretty useless, and scummy. Will you lynch Caller if Artanis flips green or not?That's what matters. who are you? | ||
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On April 09 2013 01:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Caller can you state with certainty that by the time this day ends artanis will be dead? fixed that for you | ||
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On April 09 2013 01:07 Sn0_Man wrote: How abouts we lynch sinani instead. His filter is 1 page + 2 posts, everybody can afford to go through it. His interactions with gonzaw's claim are really bad (like, extremely scum-motivated), and he demonstrates that he is actually reading yet he fails to write more than 1 line except an easy bandwagon on to S&B when his lynch looked popular. PS: Shevlocke really looks like a bad lynch to me. His posts look like he is reading and thinking about the game, and they look pretty insightful. I want to give him a chance N1/D2 to achieve something. I think I'd lynch VE before him. Either way, I'm off to find the voting topic. Since it seems customary to do this here as well, ##Vote: sinani206 hey sn0_man can you explain why you picked [3][5]? | ||
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On April 09 2013 01:12 Sn0_Man wrote: Hey Caller can you explain why you are shitting up the thread for no reason? answer my question and i'll answer yours! | ||
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On April 08 2013 20:53 Caller wrote: stop goznaw got shot to me logical explanation is simple: artanis is a day vig and from the looks of things is going to be lynched, but he wanted to use his power before he died. That's it. artanis claims before we lynch him. that's all that needs to be done. Artanis, claim. praise be ter d'emprah | ||
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i did end the day, but since there was double lynch both of them wouldve died anyways | ||
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On April 09 2013 04:43 deconduo wrote: Actually nvm, Artanis was pushing hard for shelvocke so he's probably not scum. au contraire he could have been bussing | ||
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if there is emprah all they ahve to do is wait till tmrw then claim and do double lynch. since emprah is most likely in the VE vote list, where there is almost certainly mafia and lots of it, this will thin out the list some more. and its easy as hell to filter out any fake claims. npnp | ||
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a) goznaw calls out artanis b) people start bandwagoning c) artanis shoots goznaw, other mafia +town try to direct the lynch momentum to VE, as unlimited assassin gf is an insanely valuable role d) i be a dick e) some extra lynch schenanigans f) ??? g) PROFIT. | ||
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raynpelikoneet reason: why not | ||
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On April 09 2013 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you really want to kill me you should probably tell people why. Unless you can do that by yourself in which case you don't have to. It's gonna be a shame though if you do that. oh yeah? why's that? | ||
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On April 10 2013 05:38 strongandbig wrote: gaaaaar why is no one posting caller why do you want to kill ryan is it just because you think he's the scummiest person who voted for ve? sure, why not | ||
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On April 18 2013 23:24 Sn0_Man wrote: Yay GG we win. This was exactly my take on it. Caller was mad in the OBS QT that we believed BM but we really didn't, we just knew that if scum didn't die he had out-and-out scumclaimed. If he had correctly claimed the town bonus for his role instead of one he made up (obviously he might not have known what the town bonus was) he may have been able to wriggle out of a lynch, but unlikely. yet at the same time certain people were building connection cases out of me being mafia | ||
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On April 19 2013 00:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Nah Caller, town won because town spammed the shit out of the thread and scum went afk (with the exception of BM) until it was too late. Then afked some more. im sorry i cant hear you over the sound of you being mad | ||
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