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Mocsta
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On April 16 2013 12:26 geript wrote: @Mocsta do you remember if it was Vivax or Kush who pointed out Yamato's attack on Hapa in DukeNukem in a similar way? Sorry I don't know. | ||
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On April 16 2013 12:10 MockArmor wrote: Guys. Pls refrain from quick votes. I really think we need to filter dive And put up dot point cases to substantiate votes. We shouldn't let scum come in throw a vote and leave On April 16 2013 12:14 MockArmor wrote: This situation is reminding me heavily of Mafia lx where random bum lurked to second place. He never pushed anything and stayed off ppl radar. In this game two people satisfy that. Sinani and Shevlocke. We also know from hydra, scum oats has no issues arguing with me. vivax Who did u get a check on...? On April 16 2013 12:15 MockArmor wrote: sinani Why did u activate double lynch? On April 16 2013 12:21 MockArmor wrote: I will let you know once vivax gives his check result On April 16 2013 12:28 MockArmor wrote: I'm comfortable lynching oats based on a few things. Really disruptive early game Late game. Oats sheep's. Here he is trying to set the pace No one has posted logs. If oats is town, surely the start of the qt would be one of the two trying to find alignment. I'm thinking of this as the logs from BH and gk in the game. Recruiting mason is a null pick for town or scum. Its not kp, but the guy was low on craft list and its better than a vt. And bm choosing jv gives precedent for odd picks. | ||
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Mocsta
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But before voting vivax I need to read his filter to check his stances during the lynches. His absence is frustrating but it equally applies to most ppl here. Geript that u r here now trying to solve the game. Is a big plus for u, even though u tunneled keirathi. As stated before though. I think we need dot point cases instead of OK want to vote for this guy. Scum need to work for this win. | ||
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On April 08 2013 02:45 deconduo wrote: Seeing as you are having trouble with this Vivax: -I think X is scummy -Y votes for X You seem to think that means I should assume Y is town. This obviously completely wrong. There is nothing stopping Y being scum and X being town. One of the major things I remember from the podcast about LX was that Vivax had a very odd argument about people who didn't agree with him were scum. It's an argument that he didn't use as Town in the Game from what I remember. But this summary which is pretty spot on IMO is a return to the "if people don't agree with you then they're likely scum" mentality that Vivax attacked deconduo for. | ||
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Mocsta
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E.g. in the game, BH chose the town gk to hard defend. If gk mislynched, he looked good. The meta defends of vivax is in a similar vein....but.. I do not recall vivax being close to being lynched, so the read did come out a an odd time. I'm at work on tablet. Can anyone pls summarise oats stance on the scum lynches vs town lynches? | ||
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Mocsta
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Can u pls post the vivax quote. Like I said. I'm at work on tablet. Its hard to filter dive without getting caught | ||
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On April 13 2013 02:55 Vivax wrote: Scum always defend their scumbuddies yeah. Just like OO. Oh wait. I find this an exceptionally odd quote. It's like he's very aware of when and how scum bussed. Then he looks for when OO bussed Artanis. On April 15 2013 13:02 Vivax wrote: Other incriminating stuff: Yamato initially wanted to lynch these guys: + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 15:13 yamato77 wrote: Going to bed. When I wake up tomorrow, I'm taking a look at this list of people: VE PALMAR SINANI MEAPAK AUSTIN One of them will get lynched. OO deciding to bus artanis at this time: + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2013 08:23 ObviousOne wrote: British Empire Mini Mafia II [Town]: Comfortable with 180 when confronted with new information Openly questions his detractors Sarcasm/teeth to his posts Early game attention grabber with BS vote on Marv (wasn't even in the game) - not afraid of the spotlight Direct/engaged mid-lategame One of his post-game posts I believe he mentioned before in this game, that he was trying to change up his playstyle a bit: + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 09:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well, just reading the thread and getting reads off that is easy, actually doing analysis on players and posting it and trying to convince others, using meta, etc. is something else and it's not something you bothered with. When I did do so and people barely/didn't respond to it and still happily voted for me, it doesn't particularly make the game very fun. Fruity Mafia [Town]: First major thing that stands out to me is how he formulated this post. He talked about 4 other players then said ObviousOne looked bad (I really did, bee tee dubs): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17802815 He guilted me out of my scum read on Toad (Zessionar in that game): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17811235 Full of questions / interactions / poking Was a town power role and got very bold D2 but town confidence overall was high. Otherwise rather similar to British TL Mafia LI [Mafia]: Talks about things mafia would/wouldn't do (his example was scum don't make big slips) Points out a big scum slip (lol see above) Posts in a reassuring tone (regarding his own reads) Attacked inactivity and claims Post-game confessions: Characteristics I picked out from Haunted [2010]: - Makes summaries {conglomerations of players posts} with blanket statements regarding alignment - I used to do this all the time especially in my earliest games - Feigned/Real inactivity/unavailability - not necessarily a scum tell but a useful scum tool - Offers to be "helpful" for a period of time - not taking the initiative and doing something useful himself - Defensive stance - possibly a product of being under suspicion when being replaced in, but in this game was used to misdirect suspicion on lurkers to non-mafia faction THIS GAME: Dismissive in D0, not chasing shadows or anything really Some concept of a plan presented, not really pushed Not very inquisitive Giant poop in the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18226316 No real back-and-forth happening Barely here The OBVIOUS conclusion: Scum Spend way more time defending / deflecting than scum hunting, less interactive than his town games. By extension of this, he's missing that edge of sarcasm and incredulity in his voice that is present when he calls people out on their bullshit as town. He doesn't seem interested in getting people to re-factor their reads. Way too defensive to match his town meta in any way. Added note: his filter is barely 2 pages and we've already been active for four real-time days if I am not fucking up my maths. Both scum game filters were short (less than 3 pages each) and showed him hiding by posting just enough to not be considered a lurker. Suddenly Artanis is among yamato's scumreads: + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2013 09:42 yamato77 wrote: Let's lynch Artanis. The fact that the lynch has met resistance and people are arguing about other cases that are "scummier" is a good thing. I love information. OO's analysis of his meta is decent, and coupled with gonzaw's case, I could see Artanus as scum. As for who to vig, it should obviously be sinani. If you read his filter, he posts opportunistically, and generally has little to say. One post in particular I called out as being especially horrible, the one where he gives his "thoughts" on the lynch candidates and is null on three out of four. I was scum with him in Red Team's Prize, and he's acting similar to that game, here his posting in the thread is quiet and not forceful. His "push" of BM as a vig shot is also terrible, because I actually have him down as likely town. As for myself, since people seem to think I need to contribute more, meh. I gave the game the start I wanted and I have some decent town reads out of that, so as far as continuing a high level of activity, I don't feel that it's necessary. I'm doing my own scum hunting, and I make myself known throughout the day on where I'm at. If I drop off the face of the planet, feel free to shoot/lynch me, but I'm not going to be hyperactive in these games anymore. Shortly after OO bussed, yamato adds Artanis to those he would lynch, without fighting for his own choices. Not only that, there's reasonable soft defenses of multiple scum buddies. | ||
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On April 08 2013 01:29 VisceraEyes wrote: In what way is this post any different from this post? You accuse Vivax of trying to "bandwagon" SnB but you yourself opened your "content" by similarly voting SnB with no reasoning. You accuse Vivax of not reading the thread, but somehow you missed the fact that gonzaw was scheduled for an earth-shattering scum-destroying case at the end of his countdown? Palmar I'm quite interested in why you think decon is town. That feels kinda like fucking bullshit from you. ##Unvote ##Vote deconduo | ||
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Do we use the double lynch? I.e. do u assume someone is traitor or not. I'm inclined to go with one lynch. That way if game proceeds we potentially have another townie, as oats can't be traitor. | ||
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Shelvocke
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##Vote Oatsmaster Oatsmaster: I don't think he's trying to find mafia. I'm too lazy to copy posts from the qt, but it's pretty much just MZ (and RO to a lesser extent) giving reasons and making points and asking Oats "town or scum" and oats will reply with a meaningless one-liner. He doesn't make any effort to say anything productive of his own. It's not what I expect from a town player who took a mason role. Also nobody should be voting for yamato today. The fact that keirathi was killed last night is a strong indication that the last mafia member has to fear a cop check. As someone with a green check already on him, yamato doesn't have any reason to fear a cop. | ||
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On April 16 2013 13:04 Shelvocke wrote: ##Vote Vivax ##Vote Oatsmaster Oatsmaster: I don't think he's trying to find mafia. I'm too lazy to copy posts from the qt, but it's pretty much just MZ (and RO to a lesser extent) giving reasons and making points and asking Oats "town or scum" and oats will reply with a meaningless one-liner. He doesn't make any effort to say anything productive of his own. It's not what I expect from a town player who took a mason role. Also nobody should be voting for yamato today. The fact that keirathi was killed last night is a strong indication that the last mafia member has to fear a cop check. As someone with a green check already on him, yamato doesn't have any reason to fear a cop. I'll look into this line of thinking later... must sleep. | ||
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We really need vivax to share his check. Shevlocke, any reason you didn't share this first opinion yesterday? I also don't like your conclusion with kei being shot for being DT. He was also a town contributor. So this jump to high DT value whilst interesting is too black/white for my liking. | ||
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On April 16 2013 13:13 Mocsta wrote: The guy with no check is cancel if I recall. We really need vivax to share his check. Shevlocke, any reason you didn't share this first opinion yesterday? I also don't like your conclusion with kei being shot for being DT. He was also a town contributor. So this jump to high DT value whilst interesting is too black/white for my liking. Because it was night. I told you the important part. It shouldn't be too hard for you to draw conclusions from that. As for the Keirathi shot, it's just simple logic. Is it the only possible explanation? No, but it's the one that makes best sense to me. Keirathi spent the latter part of the day saying that he wished he was dead and defending himself. That's not someone you expect mafia to shoot. | ||
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Mocsta
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So why shoot kei over vivax then? Both are alignment cops. Your second para indicates vivax is top read. The first para indicates oats? In case their is a traitor, I think it would be ideal to only vote 1 person | ||
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