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On April 15 2013 15:47 geript wrote:
Ok, then you go read caller's case on Keirathi and see how scum responded. It's around page 38 or so. Then read how scum responded to my case on VE. They kept activity up until the thread shifted to other topics. It's not a coincidence, it's a fact. GO READ. Stop being lazy. If Keir was town, why would they care if he's getting pressured?
link please.
Also thats so much assumption. It could be unrelated and probably is unrelated.
That cant be the only reason he is scum right? Tell me more.
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I also wondered why caller would be shot.
as showtime; his power was used. he was in essence a VT. What was the value in killing him;
with the janitor flip, BM could have "framed" ANYBODY. But he chose Caller specifically.
This does give heavy credence to Keirathi being under pressure.
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page 40
It starts here and then once Austin starts grabbing onto the Keirathi as scum idea Artanis drops his case on me on page 43 and Bill Murray gets super active.
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On April 15 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote:
I also wondered why caller would be shot.
as showtime; his power was used. he was in essence a VT. What was the value in killing him;
with the janitor flip, BM could have "framed" ANYBODY. But he chose Caller specifically.
This does give heavy credence to Keirathi being under pressure.
What?
Caller called me scum during the picking phase, but never followed up on it during the actual game. Night 1, after Artanis and VE flipped scum, he was interested in lynching rayn/sn0/you/Oats. I wasn't under any pressure whatsoever :o In fact, I don't remember a single person mentioning me all of night 1.
Bad argument is bad.
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G-Star
skimmed p38-43
Couple Things.
(1) Ima hypocrite. If RO is confirmed, than technically you should be for the Artanis Case.
Im surprised no one has pointed this out? Anywho.
(2) Caller cases comes in @ p40, and the exchange goes on for a lot.
Between p40-43: caller/kei are the main two thread ppl.
yam has a post or two, and so does oats, but it is predominantly them.
Then @ p43, artanis drops the geript case, and sinani randomly appears and says some absolutely useless comments such as "do we vote yet"
So what specific flipped mafia spamming are you talking about?
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On April 15 2013 15:58 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote:
I also wondered why caller would be shot.
as showtime; his power was used. he was in essence a VT. What was the value in killing him;
with the janitor flip, BM could have "framed" ANYBODY. But he chose Caller specifically.
This does give heavy credence to Keirathi being under pressure. What? Caller called me scum during the picking phase, but never followed up on it during the actual game. Night 1, after Artanis and VE flipped scum, he was interested in lynching rayn/sn0/you/Oats. I wasn't under any pressure whatsoever :o In fact, I don't remember a single person mentioning me all of night 1. Bad argument is bad.
So you forgot about Sharrant also adding in his 2c on you?
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On April 15 2013 16:00 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 15:58 Keirathi wrote:On April 15 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote:
I also wondered why caller would be shot.
as showtime; his power was used. he was in essence a VT. What was the value in killing him;
with the janitor flip, BM could have "framed" ANYBODY. But he chose Caller specifically.
This does give heavy credence to Keirathi being under pressure. What? Caller called me scum during the picking phase, but never followed up on it during the actual game. Night 1, after Artanis and VE flipped scum, he was interested in lynching rayn/sn0/you/Oats. I wasn't under any pressure whatsoever :o In fact, I don't remember a single person mentioning me all of night 1. Bad argument is bad. So you forgot about Sharrant also adding in his 2c on you?
Sharrant completely retracted his 2c during the middle of day 1.
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Im confused geript.
No scum even appear within a few hours of that case? like how does that make sense with your previous point where you said that 'scum tried to spam the thread and change direction'
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On April 06 2013 08:10 Mocsta wrote:Man.. Artanis.. I *ABHOR* association reads. But, considering the pressure keirathi is under; and this case on Geript. I will admit I found it odd that Keirathi decided to step in to "hard defend" Geript regarding that "scum slip" comment. Why?Because it didnt put Geript under any pressure. So I could not understand why Keirathi wanted to interject and devote so many posts to discussing this matter. And then to Culminate by throwing suspicion on my action. Just food for thought. + Show Spoiler [scumslip exchange] +On April 05 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
@VE Why are you so quiet? I'm not used to you being so behind the scenes instead of being spammy. I would like to get a read on you. On April 05 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote:
I sincerely hope that isnt a scum slip.
Because, I expect more from your scum play than a loose phrase like that.
I think I know what you meant; but the implication is.. you are aware of what VE is doing currently; which is knowledge townies certainly do not possess.... On April 05 2013 15:52 Keirathi wrote:
Err what?
How is that in any way a scumslip :o
You're seeing things that aren't there, IMO lol. On April 05 2013 15:57 Mocsta wrote:
Perhaps, the only reason I dont think its a slip is because its a common saying; and perhaps used in the wrong context.
It still does infer he is aware VE is active in a QT. On April 05 2013 16:02 Keirathi wrote:You mean imply, not infer. You inferred based on his implication  But I digress... I don't even think it implies that. I mean, I guess I can see how you can read it and think that, but in context the implication to me is that VE is not being out in the open with his thoughts, and instead of hiding in the background without particularly doing anything. Which I can agree with, but I don't think it really means anything yet. On April 05 2013 16:10 Mocsta wrote:
Regardless of English semantics.
we are saying the same thing.
I agree, that was his intention - as the saying is common, and perhaps used incorrectly.
I think more of Geript than to scum slip and actually imply VE is busy in the QT - so easily.
Regardless, I didnt want to make an inference so early on; so went straight to the source.
The whole question is voided now, but it was never a big deal in the first place. <3 On April 05 2013 16:11 Keirathi wrote:
Which brings me to another question: Why even bring it up then? Like, what purpose did it serve, if you already didn't think it was a scumslip? On April 05 2013 16:14 Mocsta wrote:
The purpose I suggested one sentence above that line.
I didnt want to make an inference so early on, so went straight to the source.
If we start filling in the gaps now; we will never figure out the scum team.. that is what they want us to do, and how we become tunneled.
This was in response to Artanis case drop on Geript.
But though several days have passed so memory might be relaxed, the quotes remain the same.
I state you were under pressure. This was during vote cycle; so i dunno what you were smoking when you said pre-draft.
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also
On April 06 2013 08:29 Bill Murray wrote:
Artanis is scum with Keirathi
GG
? scum posted this.
geript start talking.
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On April 15 2013 16:03 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 08:10 Mocsta wrote:Man.. Artanis.. I *ABHOR* association reads. But, considering the pressure keirathi is under; and this case on Geript. I will admit I found it odd that Keirathi decided to step in to "hard defend" Geript regarding that "scum slip" comment. Why?Because it didnt put Geript under any pressure. So I could not understand why Keirathi wanted to interject and devote so many posts to discussing this matter. And then to Culminate by throwing suspicion on my action. Just food for thought. + Show Spoiler [scumslip exchange] +On April 05 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
@VE Why are you so quiet? I'm not used to you being so behind the scenes instead of being spammy. I would like to get a read on you. On April 05 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote:
I sincerely hope that isnt a scum slip.
Because, I expect more from your scum play than a loose phrase like that.
I think I know what you meant; but the implication is.. you are aware of what VE is doing currently; which is knowledge townies certainly do not possess.... On April 05 2013 15:52 Keirathi wrote:
Err what?
How is that in any way a scumslip :o
You're seeing things that aren't there, IMO lol. On April 05 2013 15:57 Mocsta wrote:
Perhaps, the only reason I dont think its a slip is because its a common saying; and perhaps used in the wrong context.
It still does infer he is aware VE is active in a QT. On April 05 2013 16:02 Keirathi wrote:You mean imply, not infer. You inferred based on his implication But I digress... I don't even think it implies that. I mean, I guess I can see how you can read it and think that, but in context the implication to me is that VE is not being out in the open with his thoughts, and instead of hiding in the background without particularly doing anything. Which I can agree with, but I don't think it really means anything yet. On April 05 2013 16:10 Mocsta wrote:
Regardless of English semantics.
we are saying the same thing.
I agree, that was his intention - as the saying is common, and perhaps used incorrectly.
I think more of Geript than to scum slip and actually imply VE is busy in the QT - so easily.
Regardless, I didnt want to make an inference so early on; so went straight to the source.
The whole question is voided now, but it was never a big deal in the first place. <3 On April 05 2013 16:11 Keirathi wrote:
Which brings me to another question: Why even bring it up then? Like, what purpose did it serve, if you already didn't think it was a scumslip? On April 05 2013 16:14 Mocsta wrote:
The purpose I suggested one sentence above that line.
I didnt want to make an inference so early on, so went straight to the source.
If we start filling in the gaps now; we will never figure out the scum team.. that is what they want us to do, and how we become tunneled. This was in response to Artanis case drop on Geript. But though several days have passed so memory might be relaxed, the quotes remain the same. I state you were under pressure. This was during vote cycle; so i dunno what you were smoking when you said pre-draft.
Is your point that keirathi's response was weird?
Cause I was thinking the same thing about geript's post not being a scumslip, keirathi just posted it earlier IIRC.
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Your point was "It was weird that Caller was shot. Maybe it was because he was pressuring Keirathi". My point was that he quit pressuring me entirely except for one minor comment after the pick phase, and during the night before he died, I wasn't anywhere in his list of reads.
You making a random post about me during day 1 doesn't change that. If I was scum and you had been shot night 1, maybe someone else could make that connection though. But it doesn't make sense with your original hypothesis.
And again: you were thinking it was fishy because of the night 1 shots and thinking they might have been because I was under pressure. And again, my point still stands that I don't think ANYONE mentioned me night 1. I would have to be completely sure, but I don't remember anyone attacking me at all.
So yes, your original point is bad. If you want to make another point, then by all means, go ahead.
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When you're posting as scum, it's not about post times at all. When town are going at each other, you let them be, you chime in, you stir the pot. What you don't do is completely try and change the direction of the thread. Instead of looking at post time, just look at their names. If they came up as scum say red, if they're town or alive say green. Then count and look. Read out to page 50 or so. Then ask yourself why they were so active then in steering away from Keirathi. Why did they drop the cases they did when they did? How you treat an active spammy town is different from how you treat an active town that's onto something. In the case of the latter, your goal is to bury it and "out-active" town. Deflect, redirect and bury. That's all those pages are. They're full of nothing but that.
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Ermm, my head is exploding.
oats; yes, i found keirathi response weird.
But i can't tell where you are at: im not sure the geript post you are referencing.
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hmmm so gonzaw case didnt come to p63
geript, the problem is.
you are interpreting now the artanis -> geript case coming out, due to pressure on keirathi.
My take before this story came out, was that the case on you was because you were trying to get VE lynched.
We *know* caller could have easily had a counter case made on him.. his filter was attrocious.
So im still leaning to the geript case being made to counter your VE tunnel.
Im tending to think Geript/Keirathi are two townies going at it.
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On April 15 2013 16:10 Mocsta wrote:
Ermm, my head is exploding.
oats; yes, i found keirathi response weird.
But i can't tell where you are at: im not sure the geript post you are referencing.
I believe he's talking about the scumslip thing.
On April 05 2013 15:52 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote:On April 05 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
@VE Why are you so quiet? I'm not used to you being so behind the scenes instead of being spammy. I would like to get a read on you. I sincerely hope that isnt a scum slip. Because, I expect more from your scum play than a loose phrase like that. I think I know what you meant; but the implication is.. you are aware of what VE is doing currently; which is knowledge townies certainly do not possess.... Err what? How is that in any way a scumslip :o You're seeing things that aren't there, IMO lol.
For reference, the full quote.
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On April 15 2013 16:14 Mocsta wrote:
Im tending to think Geript/Keirathi are two townies going at it.
We're not going at it. I don't think he's scum, and I am ignoring him, especially since all of these arguments are things I can't respond to anyway. Whether I am town or scum, nothing I could have done would have changed how that section of the game played out. He just refuses to see that because he is so tunneled that he only looks for what might make someone scum and doesn't care about what might make someone town. He did the same shit to sn0, and look how that turned out.
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Fuckn hell. how did Vivax escape this lynch again?
Was it because SnB came in and opened his mouth?
My filter dive from 3 days ago, of the 3 flipped scum, pointed towards Vivax as likely scum.
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11589 Posts
Maybe now you can understand how I felt when I came back to the thread to see a dead SnB...
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Whilst I feel embarrassed we have had to have this convo.
It has gone some way to making ppl probably town.
So i want to hear from oats now what his specific gripe with the quote was.
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