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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 04 2013 22:46 Restraining Order wrote: If I wanted to point out a person is mafia, I would have pointed out a person is mafia. However, I did no such thing. pshhhh words. Intention is far more important than mere WORDS. Why did you phrase that 'question' to Caller in a way to appear like you are discrediting him? | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On April 04 2013 22:46 Restraining Order wrote: If I wanted to point out a person is mafia, I would have pointed out a person is mafia. However, I did no such thing. ok, RO is confirmed for scum. Let's lynch him. | ||
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Restraining Order
Qatar276 Posts
Nothing I have not already said. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12971 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
You seem to be disagreeing with me here. What is wrong in what i said? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I think role claiming should be only done if the player in question makes the decision on his/her own. Thoughts? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12971 Posts
On April 04 2013 22:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That's true rayn, the plan does rely on the players that step up to be town. However it isn't a downside because the alternative is using no plan in which case scum can pick good roles anyway. Using this plan doesn't mean that the players that follow the RNG idea are instantly labeled town for the rest of the game. They'd still be under scrutiny. All it does is make it riskier for scum to pick one or two of the roles we consider the strongest for them. was in response to On April 04 2013 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think that's a good idea either. Scum can easily pick good roles for them by "blocking" a good scum role and in LYLO just BAM - ggnore. Also if town blocks a role scum can leave them alive to be WIFOMed to death later. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 04 2013 22:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That's true rayn, the plan does rely on the players that step up to be town. However it isn't a downside because the alternative is using no plan in which case scum can pick good roles anyway. Using this plan doesn't mean that the players that follow the RNG idea are instantly labeled town for the rest of the game. They'd still be under scrutiny. All it does is make it riskier for scum to pick one or two of the roles we consider the strongest for them. I think the best plan is that everyone picks whatever they think it's best for the town. People are anyways going to claim roles later on in the game. Then we figure out if they are lying/telling the truth, is there a town or scum motivation for them to pick the role they did and/or does their explanation make sense from town/scum PoV. | ||
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Restraining Order
Qatar276 Posts
On April 04 2013 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: You seem to be disagreeing with me here. What is wrong in what i said? The thought is not necessarily wrong, but I wouldn't (and don't) worry too much about it. You prefer to worry, that's fine too. Not much to add. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12971 Posts
On April 04 2013 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think the best plan is that everyone picks whatever they think it's best for the town. People are anyways going to claim roles later on in the game. Then we figure out if they are lying/telling the truth, is there a town or scum motivation for them to pick the role they did and/or does their explanation make sense from town/scum PoV. Why is that better than the plan I proposed? You wouldn't even necessarily have to go through with the RNG rolling, just claim to. It'll already reduce the chance of scum picking that role. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On April 04 2013 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think the best plan is that everyone picks whatever they think it's best for the town. People are anyways going to claim roles later on in the game. Then we figure out if they are lying/telling the truth, is there a town or scum motivation for them to pick the role they did and/or does their explanation make sense from town/scum PoV. this guys i also confirmed for scum [b]##FOS[b] | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
its very simple: we kill the visceraeyes. ##vote:VisceraEyes | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 04 2013 23:07 Caller wrote: alrighit guys i have an actual plan its very simple: we kill the visceraeyes. ##vote:VisceraEyes He doesnt have 10 pages of filter yet. I agree. Even if I cant lynch him  | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 04 2013 23:10 Oatsmaster wrote: He doesnt have 10 pages of filter yet. I agree. Even if I cant lynch him now | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12971 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12971 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Late start. If you want to argue about the setup, please read the last PYP game like this before doing so. Same discussions. I think there is reasonable discussion there that we don't need to have again. If you're arguing about how we choose roles/numbers/whatever this game without reading that or referencing it, you're doing yourself a disservice, and you're spamming up the thread in a way that isn't helpful. This game is different in two major ways that I see. (1) Different role list. (2) Some players getting bonuses for picking a specific type of role. I like the ideas from the older PYP of denying certain strong mafia roles (Janitor is VERY powerful, think of how much damage a 12-hour delayed SINGLE flip caused in Personality 2. Now imagine a N1 janitor usage in a game full of PYP-ed KP roles, and 4-5 flips FOREVER hidden. No bueno). Multi-KP roles, Janitor, other roles are things that we NEED to deny as town. In this game "pick the best role for town" often equals "deny mafia their best role" because they will often be able to use a role super-optimally where town can't (town doc doesn't always save, mafia KP role always hits townies, stuff like that). Once we have a picking order, we SHOULD be assigning some roles, and I also like RNGing some roles so that scum can't 100% know what's left and what's not. Any scum receiving VT is FANTASTIC for us. Artanis, we can both block roles AND RNG. They did last game and it made some sense. Check the bit on how (1), (2), and (3) in that game were supposed to pick. seriously though, if you're going back and forth with someone(s) about whether we should do x or y, at the very least go read the last game. Especially Qatol's posts, which tended to be super sensible and concise. We want to plan for the best draft we can get. Reading their planning stages, and how it played out for them, should be part of our planning. | ||
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