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On April 04 2013 21:24 yamato77 wrote:
Caller, you're going to have to argue in specific against my plan if you want to gain any traction here. How is a FEW players from town stealing the WORST mafia roles at all bad for town? We just have to be good town hunters. That shouldn't be too difficult, no?
oi don't need to argue in specfc's, and i bloody don't need no traction. i'z just not gonna participate in yo shoddy scummy plan. dat' gonna ruin it neat as punch. I loik it when i can stomp on some git's planz without any effo't
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dumdumdum.
Yamato what happens if you dont have strong townreads of the people in the top 10?
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On April 04 2013 21:28 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 21:24 yamato77 wrote:
Caller, you're going to have to argue in specific against my plan if you want to gain any traction here. How is a FEW players from town stealing the WORST mafia roles at all bad for town? We just have to be good town hunters. That shouldn't be too difficult, no? oi don't need to argue in specfc's, and i bloody don't need no traction. i'z just not gonna participate in yo shoddy scummy plan. dat' gonna ruin it neat as punch. I loik it when i can stomp on some git's planz without any effo't
Accents dont really work in text :/
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On April 04 2013 21:21 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 21:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How do you determine what is "dangerous" role and what is not? There is a large amount of roles that are dangerous in a way or another. I agree that there are many roles that are dangerous by themselves, but it's not like early picks who are town should just deny "dangerous" mafia roles by picking prince of darkness/janitor/admiral ackbar and then never use it. Because they are then essentially vanilla and that's far worse than them having a role that actually helps town.
And whoever suggested that America is a dangerous role, that's just stupid. Like all the other KP roles are far more dangerous in mafia's hands. I've specifically argued against this notion, so if you want to claim that this is the case, you're going to have to try harder than that. Why is denying mafia a role like janitor or admiral ackbar (which significantly impedes town) worse than getting a role that might only help the one player, or might be situational enough to not matter at all?
Because there are roles like role swapper and copy cat. There is no point in being a "vanilla" if you have a good chance of getting a role that actually helps the town and deny THAT role from mafia (like KP roles). And what if mafia swaps the role from you, or kills you and copies it? Good luck trying to figure out where the role is then.
On April 04 2013 21:22 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:17 Caller wrote:
what i mean by it tis simple: any vt's claim their intended role, some mafia claim another role that may or may not exist. or maybe they claim a role a higher mafia picked, or they share a pick with a vt. who knows. all that does is give mafia a list of roles in the game, and it does zog all for us. Absolutely correct. You have no way of telling who is telling the truth and you might end up lynching a lot of good town roles just to figure out who is lying. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=11#206As I mentioned prior. So far, I disagree. i think this provides us a tool with which to facilitate scum hunting at some point in the game. To use the claimed VT information to confirm people is ridiculous. - If that is your fixation, then I can see your point of view clearly.
Let's say you try to pick CPRdoctor as #3. You get vanilla. You claim you tried to pick CPRdoctor and that you didn't get it when D1 starts. Scum have a member in #1 or #2. You just gave out the town CPRdoc. Scum can even random a kill on #1 or #2 and if the CPRdoc flips town, you have no way of knowing if the other guy is mafia, if the #3 picker is mafia. What's next? Do you kill those guys too? Just to be sure they are not lying?
If not, why did you gave out scum role information in the first place?
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oi tell yu wot, i gots a goods plan 'ere. trouble is it'll take three days to resolve. but no worries mate. i just need ta pick rock star or somethin' like that, so i can be wit ya boyz long 'nough to see it through.
fo' now, everybody pick what you want, and den all gitz shuld' claim. BUT if uz a vanilla townie, uz shuld lie like a grot and make ups a role to claim. zis is all necesary' for moi plan, oite?
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Morning, do I have to read the planning phase?
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On April 04 2013 21:40 Palmar wrote:
Morning, do I have to read the planning phase?
No.
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Okay so I think I am set on the draft sequence portion. Still have some time to wrangle over what role feels right for me. Someone earlier suggested going with what you know how to best use and that's probably the best starting point plus a backup plan or two.
Nap time. See you after!
Oh shit, caller game?!
##remove kebab
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I'm going to announce what role I want and if anyone before me selects it I will lynch all of the people before me for being mafia.
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On April 04 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 21:22 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:17 Caller wrote:
what i mean by it tis simple: any vt's claim their intended role, some mafia claim another role that may or may not exist. or maybe they claim a role a higher mafia picked, or they share a pick with a vt. who knows. all that does is give mafia a list of roles in the game, and it does zog all for us. Absolutely correct. You have no way of telling who is telling the truth and you might end up lynching a lot of good town roles just to figure out who is lying. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=11#206As I mentioned prior. So far, I disagree. i think this provides us a tool with which to facilitate scum hunting at some point in the game. To use the claimed VT information to confirm people is ridiculous. - If that is your fixation, then I can see your point of view clearly. Let's say you try to pick CPRdoctor as #3. You get vanilla. You claim you tried to pick CPRdoctor and that you didn't get it when D1 starts. Scum have a member in #1 or #2. You just gave out the town CPRdoc. Scum can even random a kill on #1 or #2 and if the CPRdoc flips town, you have no way of knowing if the other guy is mafia, if the #3 picker is mafia. What's next? Do you kill those guys too? Just to be sure they are not lying? If not, why did you gave out scum role information in the first place?
Or perhaps we just figured out the scum CPRdoctor.
I think as said before, some ppl may be going for "superstar' roles and become Vanilla.
i see value in those disclaiming that the role exists in the game.
It is then up to town to decide how much credence they want to give to the claim.
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On April 04 2013 21:52 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:22 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:17 Caller wrote:
what i mean by it tis simple: any vt's claim their intended role, some mafia claim another role that may or may not exist. or maybe they claim a role a higher mafia picked, or they share a pick with a vt. who knows. all that does is give mafia a list of roles in the game, and it does zog all for us. Absolutely correct. You have no way of telling who is telling the truth and you might end up lynching a lot of good town roles just to figure out who is lying. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=11#206As I mentioned prior. So far, I disagree. i think this provides us a tool with which to facilitate scum hunting at some point in the game. To use the claimed VT information to confirm people is ridiculous. - If that is your fixation, then I can see your point of view clearly. Let's say you try to pick CPRdoctor as #3. You get vanilla. You claim you tried to pick CPRdoctor and that you didn't get it when D1 starts. Scum have a member in #1 or #2. You just gave out the town CPRdoc. Scum can even random a kill on #1 or #2 and if the CPRdoc flips town, you have no way of knowing if the other guy is mafia, if the #3 picker is mafia. What's next? Do you kill those guys too? Just to be sure they are not lying? If not, why did you gave out scum role information in the first place? Or perhaps we just figured out the scum CPRdoctor.I think as said before, some ppl may be going for "superstar' roles and become Vanilla. i see value in those disclaiming that the role exists in the game. It is then up to town to decide how much credence they want to give to the claim.
Why do you think so? CPRdoctor is not a bad role if used right. It's a fucking multi shot night vigi!
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On April 04 2013 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 21:52 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:22 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:17 Caller wrote:
what i mean by it tis simple: any vt's claim their intended role, some mafia claim another role that may or may not exist. or maybe they claim a role a higher mafia picked, or they share a pick with a vt. who knows. all that does is give mafia a list of roles in the game, and it does zog all for us. Absolutely correct. You have no way of telling who is telling the truth and you might end up lynching a lot of good town roles just to figure out who is lying. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=11#206As I mentioned prior. So far, I disagree. i think this provides us a tool with which to facilitate scum hunting at some point in the game. To use the claimed VT information to confirm people is ridiculous. - If that is your fixation, then I can see your point of view clearly. Let's say you try to pick CPRdoctor as #3. You get vanilla. You claim you tried to pick CPRdoctor and that you didn't get it when D1 starts. Scum have a member in #1 or #2. You just gave out the town CPRdoc. Scum can even random a kill on #1 or #2 and if the CPRdoc flips town, you have no way of knowing if the other guy is mafia, if the #3 picker is mafia. What's next? Do you kill those guys too? Just to be sure they are not lying? If not, why did you gave out scum role information in the first place? Or perhaps we just figured out the scum CPRdoctor.I think as said before, some ppl may be going for "superstar' roles and become Vanilla. i see value in those disclaiming that the role exists in the game. It is then up to town to decide how much credence they want to give to the claim. Why do you think so? CPRdoctor is not a bad role if used right. It's a fucking multi shot night vigi! I dont see a point debating this.
Its a role either alignment can want; perhaps even moreso as a personal preference.
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On April 04 2013 21:58 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:52 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:22 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:17 Caller wrote:
what i mean by it tis simple: any vt's claim their intended role, some mafia claim another role that may or may not exist. or maybe they claim a role a higher mafia picked, or they share a pick with a vt. who knows. all that does is give mafia a list of roles in the game, and it does zog all for us. Absolutely correct. You have no way of telling who is telling the truth and you might end up lynching a lot of good town roles just to figure out who is lying. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=11#206As I mentioned prior. So far, I disagree. i think this provides us a tool with which to facilitate scum hunting at some point in the game. To use the claimed VT information to confirm people is ridiculous. - If that is your fixation, then I can see your point of view clearly. Let's say you try to pick CPRdoctor as #3. You get vanilla. You claim you tried to pick CPRdoctor and that you didn't get it when D1 starts. Scum have a member in #1 or #2. You just gave out the town CPRdoc. Scum can even random a kill on #1 or #2 and if the CPRdoc flips town, you have no way of knowing if the other guy is mafia, if the #3 picker is mafia. What's next? Do you kill those guys too? Just to be sure they are not lying? If not, why did you gave out scum role information in the first place? Or perhaps we just figured out the scum CPRdoctor.I think as said before, some ppl may be going for "superstar' roles and become Vanilla. i see value in those disclaiming that the role exists in the game. It is then up to town to decide how much credence they want to give to the claim. Why do you think so? CPRdoctor is not a bad role if used right. It's a fucking multi shot night vigi! I dont see a point debating this. Its a role either alignment can want; perhaps even moreso as a personal preference.
So you just argued against yourself?
As i said there is no way of knowing who is telling the truth and who isn't and all you are doing by vanilla claims is give scum information about town roles.
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On April 04 2013 22:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 21:58 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:52 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:22 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:17 Caller wrote:
what i mean by it tis simple: any vt's claim their intended role, some mafia claim another role that may or may not exist. or maybe they claim a role a higher mafia picked, or they share a pick with a vt. who knows. all that does is give mafia a list of roles in the game, and it does zog all for us. Absolutely correct. You have no way of telling who is telling the truth and you might end up lynching a lot of good town roles just to figure out who is lying. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=11#206As I mentioned prior. So far, I disagree. i think this provides us a tool with which to facilitate scum hunting at some point in the game. To use the claimed VT information to confirm people is ridiculous. - If that is your fixation, then I can see your point of view clearly. Let's say you try to pick CPRdoctor as #3. You get vanilla. You claim you tried to pick CPRdoctor and that you didn't get it when D1 starts. Scum have a member in #1 or #2. You just gave out the town CPRdoc. Scum can even random a kill on #1 or #2 and if the CPRdoc flips town, you have no way of knowing if the other guy is mafia, if the #3 picker is mafia. What's next? Do you kill those guys too? Just to be sure they are not lying? If not, why did you gave out scum role information in the first place? Or perhaps we just figured out the scum CPRdoctor.I think as said before, some ppl may be going for "superstar' roles and become Vanilla. i see value in those disclaiming that the role exists in the game. It is then up to town to decide how much credence they want to give to the claim. Why do you think so? CPRdoctor is not a bad role if used right. It's a fucking multi shot night vigi! I dont see a point debating this. Its a role either alignment can want; perhaps even moreso as a personal preference. So you just argued against yourself? As i said there is no way of knowing who is telling the truth and who isn't and all you are doing by vanilla claims is give scum information about town roles.
Are you a knob head or something?
You are the one who said, #3 who tries for CPR outs the town CPR at #1 or #2.
I was pointing out the fallacy in your logic. i.e. could be town or scum.. not just town.
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On April 04 2013 22:04 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 22:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:58 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:52 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:22 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:17 Caller wrote:
what i mean by it tis simple: any vt's claim their intended role, some mafia claim another role that may or may not exist. or maybe they claim a role a higher mafia picked, or they share a pick with a vt. who knows. all that does is give mafia a list of roles in the game, and it does zog all for us. Absolutely correct. You have no way of telling who is telling the truth and you might end up lynching a lot of good town roles just to figure out who is lying. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=11#206As I mentioned prior. So far, I disagree. i think this provides us a tool with which to facilitate scum hunting at some point in the game. To use the claimed VT information to confirm people is ridiculous. - If that is your fixation, then I can see your point of view clearly. Let's say you try to pick CPRdoctor as #3. You get vanilla. You claim you tried to pick CPRdoctor and that you didn't get it when D1 starts. Scum have a member in #1 or #2. You just gave out the town CPRdoc. Scum can even random a kill on #1 or #2 and if the CPRdoc flips town, you have no way of knowing if the other guy is mafia, if the #3 picker is mafia. What's next? Do you kill those guys too? Just to be sure they are not lying? If not, why did you gave out scum role information in the first place? Or perhaps we just figured out the scum CPRdoctor.I think as said before, some ppl may be going for "superstar' roles and become Vanilla. i see value in those disclaiming that the role exists in the game. It is then up to town to decide how much credence they want to give to the claim. Why do you think so? CPRdoctor is not a bad role if used right. It's a fucking multi shot night vigi! I dont see a point debating this. Its a role either alignment can want; perhaps even moreso as a personal preference. So you just argued against yourself? As i said there is no way of knowing who is telling the truth and who isn't and all you are doing by vanilla claims is give scum information about town roles. Are you a knob head or something? You are the one who said, #3 who tries for CPR outs the town CPR at #1 or #2. I was pointing out the fallacy in your logic. i.e. could be town or scum.. not just town.
My point is exactly that. You can't know. How are you going to figure that out?
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On April 04 2013 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 22:04 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 22:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:58 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:52 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:22 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:17 Caller wrote:
what i mean by it tis simple: any vt's claim their intended role, some mafia claim another role that may or may not exist. or maybe they claim a role a higher mafia picked, or they share a pick with a vt. who knows. all that does is give mafia a list of roles in the game, and it does zog all for us. Absolutely correct. You have no way of telling who is telling the truth and you might end up lynching a lot of good town roles just to figure out who is lying. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=11#206As I mentioned prior. So far, I disagree. i think this provides us a tool with which to facilitate scum hunting at some point in the game. To use the claimed VT information to confirm people is ridiculous. - If that is your fixation, then I can see your point of view clearly. Let's say you try to pick CPRdoctor as #3. You get vanilla. You claim you tried to pick CPRdoctor and that you didn't get it when D1 starts. Scum have a member in #1 or #2. You just gave out the town CPRdoc. Scum can even random a kill on #1 or #2 and if the CPRdoc flips town, you have no way of knowing if the other guy is mafia, if the #3 picker is mafia. What's next? Do you kill those guys too? Just to be sure they are not lying? If not, why did you gave out scum role information in the first place? Or perhaps we just figured out the scum CPRdoctor.I think as said before, some ppl may be going for "superstar' roles and become Vanilla. i see value in those disclaiming that the role exists in the game. It is then up to town to decide how much credence they want to give to the claim. Why do you think so? CPRdoctor is not a bad role if used right. It's a fucking multi shot night vigi! I dont see a point debating this. Its a role either alignment can want; perhaps even moreso as a personal preference. So you just argued against yourself? As i said there is no way of knowing who is telling the truth and who isn't and all you are doing by vanilla claims is give scum information about town roles. Are you a knob head or something? You are the one who said, #3 who tries for CPR outs the town CPR at #1 or #2. I was pointing out the fallacy in your logic. i.e. could be town or scum.. not just town. My point is exactly that. You can't know. How are you going to figure that out?
Seriously, your starting to piss me off.
Find where I state I will believe the claim?
I am saying it is a tool that can be used to catch liars blah blah later down the track.
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On April 04 2013 22:10 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 22:04 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 22:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:58 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:52 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:22 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Absolutely correct. You have no way of telling who is telling the truth and you might end up lynching a lot of good town roles just to figure out who is lying. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=11#206As I mentioned prior. So far, I disagree. i think this provides us a tool with which to facilitate scum hunting at some point in the game. To use the claimed VT information to confirm people is ridiculous. - If that is your fixation, then I can see your point of view clearly. Let's say you try to pick CPRdoctor as #3. You get vanilla. You claim you tried to pick CPRdoctor and that you didn't get it when D1 starts. Scum have a member in #1 or #2. You just gave out the town CPRdoc. Scum can even random a kill on #1 or #2 and if the CPRdoc flips town, you have no way of knowing if the other guy is mafia, if the #3 picker is mafia. What's next? Do you kill those guys too? Just to be sure they are not lying? If not, why did you gave out scum role information in the first place? Or perhaps we just figured out the scum CPRdoctor.I think as said before, some ppl may be going for "superstar' roles and become Vanilla. i see value in those disclaiming that the role exists in the game. It is then up to town to decide how much credence they want to give to the claim. Why do you think so? CPRdoctor is not a bad role if used right. It's a fucking multi shot night vigi! I dont see a point debating this. Its a role either alignment can want; perhaps even moreso as a personal preference. So you just argued against yourself? As i said there is no way of knowing who is telling the truth and who isn't and all you are doing by vanilla claims is give scum information about town roles. Are you a knob head or something? You are the one who said, #3 who tries for CPR outs the town CPR at #1 or #2. I was pointing out the fallacy in your logic. i.e. could be town or scum.. not just town. My point is exactly that. You can't know. How are you going to figure that out? Seriously, your starting to piss me off. Find where I state I will believe the claim? I am saying it is a tool that can be used to catch liars blah blah later down the track.
How?
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B4 palmar comes in
your = you're
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Im guessing Palmar picks 'Rockstar' cause he's a selfish bastard.
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On April 04 2013 22:11 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 22:10 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 22:04 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 22:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:58 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2013 21:52 Mocsta wrote:On April 04 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Let's say you try to pick CPRdoctor as #3. You get vanilla. You claim you tried to pick CPRdoctor and that you didn't get it when D1 starts. Scum have a member in #1 or #2. You just gave out the town CPRdoc. Scum can even random a kill on #1 or #2 and if the CPRdoc flips town, you have no way of knowing if the other guy is mafia, if the #3 picker is mafia. What's next? Do you kill those guys too? Just to be sure they are not lying? If not, why did you gave out scum role information in the first place? Or perhaps we just figured out the scum CPRdoctor.I think as said before, some ppl may be going for "superstar' roles and become Vanilla. i see value in those disclaiming that the role exists in the game. It is then up to town to decide how much credence they want to give to the claim. Why do you think so? CPRdoctor is not a bad role if used right. It's a fucking multi shot night vigi! I dont see a point debating this. Its a role either alignment can want; perhaps even moreso as a personal preference. So you just argued against yourself? As i said there is no way of knowing who is telling the truth and who isn't and all you are doing by vanilla claims is give scum information about town roles. Are you a knob head or something? You are the one who said, #3 who tries for CPR outs the town CPR at #1 or #2. I was pointing out the fallacy in your logic. i.e. could be town or scum.. not just town. My point is exactly that. You can't know. How are you going to figure that out? Seriously, your starting to piss me off. Find where I state I will believe the claim? I am saying it is a tool that can be used to catch liars blah blah later down the track. How?
because its information.
just because we have it now, doesnt mean we need to process it now.
its something that can be stored away, and pulled out post flips, or watever.
im really surprised we have to comment about basics of mafia play here?
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