EPTlike his wincon could be he has to kill all the masons but if he survives to the end of the game, he wins.
Or something else,
I just dont see how his wincon is town unless its for an arbitrary reason that you didnt want 3P in this game.
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
like his wincon could be he has to kill all the masons but if he survives to the end of the game, he wins. Or something else, I just dont see how his wincon is town unless its for an arbitrary reason that you didnt want 3P in this game. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On April 04 2013 20:12 Oatsmaster wrote: I just think that rayn is legit 3P like his wincon could be he has to kill all the masons but if he survives to the end of the game, he wins. Or something else, I just dont see how his wincon is town unless its for an arbitrary reason that you didnt want 3P in this game. But that was his wincon, just with another tricky part: it was town that needed to win for him to win as well. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 04 2013 20:23 Kurumi wrote: But that was his wincon, just with another tricky part: it was town that needed to win for him to win as well. Hi Kurumi! Thanks for hosting. Apart from night finishing way too early yesterday, I was very happy with the timeliness of the deadlines and responses to questions I had in PM. I don't think rayn's role was a good role for town or himself. The win condition (kill 4 townies...) is simply way too conflicting with town's goal in general. I can imagine he didn't shoot town N2 for fear of losing the entire game for town then and there. And if the vote-rigged double lynch hadn't happened, then he probably wouldn't have had the time to kill everyone off. I guess his role explains his kinda weird shot on Grack where he'd been convinced he was town previously. It's tough playing with a town player who in many ways has mafia motives (killing off townies). I really feel his role would have been more interesting as a mafia role, with less KP attached to it. The vote-rigged double lynch made the game draining for town because the rest of the game was pretty much set. Mostly it was all about finding the "4th" mafia after Smurf/Acro/sinani. Oops for us! I would say that I was pretty much 100% convinced that prplhz was town when it was clear Smurf was mafia. I've never seen a mafia hard-defend another mafia on meta like that, so passionately, with so many examples. It was just so clearly a case of knowledge of alignments. There are a couple of reasons mafia defend town, one of the main ones being town cred, but also because during a game it's nice for mafia just to be passionate and right about something. It was clear to me that yamato believed in what he was saying. Not a chance prplhz was mafia from that point onwards. Well done to Hapa day 1 for picking out sinani, that was a nice catch. In retrospect, I wish I'd pushed yamato, but I only remembered one piece to that puzzle during Night 1 or so, that yamato generally hates to push lurkers, he goes for the more active players; this is prevalent throughout his games. If I'd remembered this Day 1 I'd probably have pushed him instead of Nisani. Well done to Kei too for catching Acro during Day 2. I was in the process of revising all my reads, and when I went and looked back at everything Acro had said about me after reading Kei's case, his alignment became clear too. From a personal point of view, I was very unsure of my reads until Day 2, and it's one reason I was somewhat passive. Not being sure of my reads, my number 1 goal was to avoid a repeat of Personality 2 where I almost singlehandedly led town to their doom. This town had plenty of other town leaders that weren't me. I understand why people thought I might be mafia for it, but meh. Anyway, sorry for getting on rayn/Oats' asses, I had 3 mafia and I was looking for a 4th that simply wasn't there ^_^ edit: oh, and s&b and my one-shot actions were boss  | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Anyway, this was a fun game. Thanks for hosting Kurumi. I love the experimentation with the roles, even if it sometimes ends up a bit strange. Mad at myself for not catching Acro, and mad at prplhz for shooting me before he and marv cleared themselves on like day 2. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
On April 04 2013 21:10 Palmar wrote: maybe listen to me and lynch sinani on day 1 then you asshole! Anyway, this was a fun game. Thanks for hosting Kurumi. I love the experimentation with the roles, even if it sometimes ends up a bit strange. Mad at myself for not catching Acro, and mad at prplhz for shooting me before he and marv cleared themselves on like day 2. I only shot Grack because many strong players were saying he was mafia. Even if he wasn't it would help me achieving my wincon and help town maybe catch mafia on D1. The fact that you seemed totally lost after Grack died made me think you were actually scum. I was obviously wrong. But you didn't really push the sinani lynch, all i remember was that you threw out a list of five people and then "idk, let's just lynch one of them". That's how it felt like to me. I would have definitely shot Acro before the D2 deadline if my wincon had been normal. There is no question about it. I was banking on him doing some work for me (killing PM role(s)) and i was already sure (like others) that Arco/sinani/Smurf were mafia. I still think prplhz should have given the gun to sinani on N2. I won't explain another time why, because i apparently fail at explaining. :D But that's the only reason why i thought he was scum besides that i thought there were 4 scum. I should have shot into Cora/Keir on N3 to win. That was just too dangerous and town would have probably lost if there were 4 scum. Well, you can't always win.. :/ | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
btw being lost is usually a town-tell, scum doesn't get lost, they know everything. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Fun game, lots of interesting roles. Probably could bump this up a few players and make it even more chaotic/fun! Thanks to Kurumi for being Polish and hosting. Thanks to everyone for an interesting game. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
On April 04 2013 21:48 Palmar wrote: I now understand why you shot Grack. It was a reasonably safe shot for you to take given your ridiculous win condition. btw being lost is usually a town-tell, scum doesn't get lost, they know everything. Yeah i know. I just found it unlike you would have been that lost because earlier you said you already had one or two other targets to look after. It's easy to say as mafia, then you just come up with something after 24h if the lynch on your primary target is fading. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 04 2013 21:51 ObviousOne wrote: Most of my thoughts about the game are in the Obs qt including how I figured out Marv was town. Fun game, lots of interesting roles. Probably could bump this up a few players and make it even more chaotic/fun! Thanks to Kurumi for being Polish and hosting. Thanks to everyone for an interesting game. Heh, interesting. Off my game in Fruity?  I pushed Hopeless (town), Toad (mafia), Vivax (mafia), voted yamato (mafia) and then pushed Toad (mafia). Jeez And Acro - "lucky" roleblock? pssht, nothing lucky about it at all. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
i think it should be a lot clearer how my role works. after the vanillas-with-one-shot claimed i still had no idea if i could give them a gun. like, i claimed my role, they claimed their role, i still had no idea if i could use my power on them. also i should probably not have shot on n1. or been wrong about everything. gg guys and thanks for hosting. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On April 04 2013 22:16 prplhz wrote: marv said it pretty well, only have one thing to add. i think it should be a lot clearer how my role works. after the vanillas-with-one-shot claimed i still had no idea if i could give them a gun. like, i claimed my role, they claimed their role, i still had no idea if i could use my power on them. gg guys and thanks for hosting. They quite clearly claimed "VT with a oneshot power". Read the thread. €: also I still can't believe scum didn't pick up on keir's very early lover 'crumbs'. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 04 2013 22:17 Dandel Ion wrote: They quite clearly claimed "VT with a oneshot power". Read the thread. that's why i call them "vanillas-with-one-shot" it's because they're vanilla townies with oneshot powers read the thread | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
gg and thanks for hosting | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On April 04 2013 22:18 prplhz wrote: that's why i call them "vanillas-with-one-shot" it's because they're vanilla townies with oneshot powers read the thread You can give guns to Vanilla. Guy claims Vanilla. You don't think he is Vanilla. ??? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43269 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
VANILLA SCUM. But yeah it was an interesting game kurumi even if I didnt get any powers. BTW themed games with VT's should be banned. There is a reason I join themed games and that is to be blue | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 04 2013 22:49 marvellosity wrote: Impossible to balance if everyone's blue. Even in the most blue games, PYP, people end up being vanilla. CHRONO TRIGGER | ||
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