EPTyeah that was pretty damn town favoured ^_^
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
yeah that was pretty damn town favoured ^_^ | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
I feel like this was an all-around win - scum really only needed one or two more mislynches after the vote rigged double lynch. Key elements to the victory - good "town atmosphere" leadership by Hapahauli and a generally productive town that made it impossible for Yamato and sinani to stay hidden; bauss job catching acro by keirathi; and the accumulation of five (!) confirmed townies due to marv and me winning the world wifom championships on consecutive nights, as well as scum's curious blindness to keirathi's lovers claim. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Kei never said anything about lovers before the end of the game. He explicitly said that if we claim we would leave out the "lovers" thing. By the time he had hinted enough towards it, we had the numbers. Thanks to Kei for having to deal with me as a mason partner, and to Kurumi for hosting ^^ | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
I like the idea of having three different classes of roles as a way to balance a themed game - ie, the "real vanilla" roles, then the "fake vanilla" roles, and then the real blue roles. I also really liked how prplhz's role interacted with the rest of the setup, in that it rewards prp for figuring out roles, and adds another level to claiming / fake claiming. Two things I don't like. First, I don't like the way obviousone's role worked out. The concept is fine and actually quite clever. However, I think the prohibition against letting people know about the extra information has to go farther - you can't be able to say "I know this thing but I can't tell you why or else I'll be modkilled." That doesn't leave anything unclear, because the only way a player could get that kind of information without getting modkilled just for having it is if the information comes from the host. Plus then when he dies, you can just go to his filter and look for what he said he knew but couldn't say for fear of getting modkilled. IMO it should be harder to figure that out. That said, his role didn't actually matter this game, because Marv confirmed himself with his roleblock before we ever would have lynched him, regardless of OO's extra information. Second, I don't like how kurumi came into the thread with the "to modkill or not to modkill" stuff. That made me a lot more trusting of Marv's claim than I otherwise would have been, and while I tried to ignore it, there's always some subconscious bias. I think there was nothing wrong with what Marv said; if you're going to put roles with certain naming conventions into your game, you have to either give scum appropriate fake claims, or else you have to make the role names confusing. You can't expect people not to claim their role name and color, those are just basic things, and the "role pm rule" is there for things like comparing PM times and the wording of rules clauses and flavor text. That aside, if there's a question about modkilling for stuff that gets said in the game, it has to be made by the host outside of the thread, maybe in consultation with other hosts on irc or skype, but it needs to be outside of the game or else it will influence the game. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 04 2013 23:21 cDgCorazon wrote: GG guys. Kei never said anything about lovers before the end of the game. He explicitly said that if we claim we would leave out the "lovers" thing. By the time he had hinted enough towards it, we had the numbers. Thanks to Kei for having to deal with me as a mason partner, and to Kurumi for hosting ^^ He said the thing about Marv's plans maybe not working out before the end of day 2, and as soon as he said that it was obvious what was going on. If scum had been paying attention they would have killed one of you with one of the day2 double lynches. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
OO did not get info that marv is town. You can check what would he learn in the "Roles!" section in the spreadsheet: He was given info that there are only 3 Mafioso N1. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 04 2013 23:30 strongandbig wrote: He said the thing about Marv's plans maybe not working out before the end of day 2, and as soon as he said that it was obvious what was going on. If scum had been paying attention they would have killed one of you with one of the day2 double lynches. No, it was after the day 2 lynches. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 04 2013 23:33 Kurumi wrote: OO did not get info that marv is town. You can check what would he learn in the "Roles!" section in the spreadsheet: He was given info that there are only 3 Mafioso N1. Hahahahaha holy shit what Wow OO that was a fucking ballsy play then. Really gambling all-in on the Marv town read. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
I honestly enjoyed this game a lot (should be evident...this is my second longest filter ever, second only to Chrono which lasted like 10 game days/3 weeks irl) despite the weird setup, and felt like it was easily one of my personal best games on TL. I do feel bad for rayn, though  | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
I still suck as mafia and got super demotivated after night 1. Hapa played well, as did Keir. Marv bloomed late, which seemed like a product of Hapa's insistent badgering of him. I will say, while Acro's role was powerful, the exclusion of a fourth scum hurt us in thread presence. I was too obvious this game, and Acro being the only other active mafia made it more likely for him to be lynched before there were any reasonable counter-arguments to him being mafia. Sinani played alright as a lurky member, but without a claim or a good bus to give him town credit, it was really inevitable that town would lynch him before trying any of the claimed members. Overall, I would trade Acro's "OP" role for a more conventional one like GF and have a fourth member. The balancing out wasn't beneficial enough to us in this particular game. If I had played better and been less suspicious early, or even stayed active day 2, things might have changed somewhat, but morale between me and Acro was low at that point in the QT so it just never materialized. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 05 2013 00:05 Keirathi wrote: GG everyone. I honestly enjoyed this game a lot (should be evident...this is my second longest filter ever, second only to Chrono which lasted like 10 game days/3 weeks irl) despite the weird setup, and felt like it was easily one of my personal best games on TL. I do feel bad for rayn, though yes, you were superb, especially from the end of Day 1 onwards. sorry for trying to lynch you <3 edit: Basically Hapa & Kei were town MVPs, s&b & I merely get some mention for using our roles pretty much optimally. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18449 Posts
1. Thinking the QT in my role PM was the scumQT (though seriously, who wouldn't think that when it's tagged on at the end just after the "other members of the scum team") and claiming "some kind of vote rigger" there. + Show Spoiler [role pm] + Original Message From Kurumi: The Nice Guy Oh, you are so nice you wouldn't ever hurt anyone! That's why you signed up for this Town's Scum team: to prevent harm to people you like. Of course, you have a trick that will help you achieve that: You can rig the votes! Obviously, you are going to use that only once, because people are pretty angry that they are getting killed and rigging them more than once would result in your inevitable death... Did I mention you are a part of a friendship circle? Of course you are! Can't let your friends down! You win when the Scum team equals the Town members or Town can't create a scenario where they'd win. Scum team: Acrofales InsertSmurfHere Sinani206 http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/dv8DsvrH3aKfR Role acquired QT, the only way you can communicate in your circle is this qt 2. Being in the countryside with no time at all and just my ipad to write on when suddenly there was a case against me. ScumQT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/BvGguDyp9QB (not really much there) Also, this game was a disaster balance-wise, but I've been over that in the QT. Also, I feel sorry for Rayn, who had an SK-esque wincon tagged onto his town wincon just to make shit harder. Honestly, the balance could have been fixed all-around quite simply by making Rayn scum, removing me from the QT and leaving everything else exactly as it was... oh, and tell Hapa and Grack that it is not necessarily safe to claim their identity in the QT. A 4man scumteam while leaving the KP pretty much the same as it was now. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18449 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 05 2013 00:14 Acrofales wrote: Also /sad because this is the first game I lost as scum. Personally this makes me very happy :p | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 05 2013 00:08 marvellosity wrote: yes, you were superb, especially from the end of Day 1 onwards. sorry for trying to lynch you <3 edit: Basically Hapa & Kei were town MVPs, s&b & I merely get some mention for using our roles pretty much optimally. It was just a misunderstanding. I had started writing up a post on why I wanted to lynch smurf, which would have ended with why I didn't want to lynch prplhz. But I kept commenting on things after I started it, and then was dragged into defending myself for an hour+. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 05 2013 00:17 Keirathi wrote: It was just a misunderstanding. I had started writing up a post on why I wanted to lynch smurf, which would have ended with why I didn't want to lynch prplhz. But I kept commenting on things after I started it, and then was dragged into defending myself for an hour+. oh great irony, we'd probably have ended up lynching Smurf then. I would have given you more time but deadline was getting close >.< | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 05 2013 00:19 marvellosity wrote: oh great irony, we'd probably have ended up lynching Smurf then. I would have given you more time but deadline was getting close >.< Your point made sense, it just didn't make me scum. I did act differently towards prplhz than Hapa did (IE, I didn't immediately unvote him), because I wanted it to look all nice and stuff. I was pretty sad that everyone just sheeped you and forced me into claiming though | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 05 2013 00:21 Keirathi wrote: Your point made sense, it just didn't make me scum. I did act differently towards prplhz than Hapa did (IE, I didn't immediately unvote him), because I wanted it to look all nice and stuff. I was pretty sad that everyone just sheeped you and forced me into claiming though The problem was that Hapa and I had identical reactions, and it was the reaction I expected you to have as well. And in fact you did have it, you just decided to make a couple of other pointless posts first. So I'm entirely blaming you (not at all). | ||
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