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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
[QUOTE]On March 30 2013 22:04 ObviousOne wrote: [QUOTE]On March 30 2013 22:02 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn, get useful fast. Response to Acro and Keir's case and my case and relationship with sinani please. [/QUOTE] I went through Acro's filter. I could definitely see him being scum. I noticed the same thing that Keirathi bases his case on (saying we're not lynching marv -> making a case on marv). I missed it earlier because i thought i only argued with DI (and Oats?) about the "accusing marv will cause a shitfest, therefore he can't be lynched on D1" thing. Anothir thing i find out that points towards him being scum is that i notice a lot of similarities in his play that i do when i am scum. That is carefully pointing fingers all over the place. He comments on like everything that's happening on thread, but in most of the cases this doesn't seem to be leading him anywhere. I don't know how to explain it better.. And the "you can't lynch me anyways" is really really weird thing. If he is claiming a power i can't see that being a town power at all. So yes, i can definitely see Acro being scum. I do not think Acro and sinani are scum together. [QUOTE]On March 30 2013 22:31 marvellosity wrote: [QUOTE]On March 29 2013 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Smurf will receive one of my votes. [/QUOTE] rayn, can you tell me towards the end of Day 1, what you say in Smurf's posting that you thought made sense?[/QUOTE] Mostly his defence on prplhz. It made sense to me, however i didn't look it in the light other people brought up; that he actually defended prplhz by meta before prplhz even started to post for real. I just read Smurf's filter and what he said made sense to me. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On March 30 2013 22:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn, get useful fast. Response to Acro and Keir's case and my case and relationship with sinani please. I went through Acro's filter. I could definitely see him being scum. I noticed the same thing that Keirathi bases his case on (saying we're not lynching marv -> making a case on marv). I missed it earlier because i thought i only argued with DI (and Oats?) about the "accusing marv will cause a shitfest, therefore he can't be lynched on D1" thing. Anothir thing i find out that points towards him being scum is that i notice a lot of similarities in his play that i do when i am scum. That is carefully pointing fingers all over the place. He comments on like everything that's happening on thread, but in most of the cases this doesn't seem to be leading him anywhere. I don't know how to explain it better.. And the "you can't lynch me anyways" is really really weird thing. If he is claiming a power i can't see that being a town power at all. So yes, i can definitely see Acro being scum. I do not think Acro and sinani are scum together. On March 30 2013 22:31 marvellosity wrote: rayn, can you tell me towards the end of Day 1, what you say in Smurf's posting that you thought made sense? Mostly his defence on prplhz. It made sense to me, however i didn't look it in the light other people brought up; that he actually defended prplhz by meta before prplhz even started to post for real. I just read Smurf's filter and what he said made sense to me. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Also, you just going LALALALA IM UNLYNCHABLE I DONT CARE WHAT YOU SAY. Does not make me think you are town in the slightest. You made no effort to respond to anything that has been brought up and just swept it aside. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
My first vote is on Yamato. That won't change. He's given up anyways and if we don't lynch him today he's going to shit up the thread some more. My second vote, while currently on Prp, could possibly change to either Sinani or Acro. Both Prp and Sinani played terrible D1's and continued to be useless and scummy on D2. I have a huge problem with that. Acro just lied about VT, and I'm highly inclined to lynch all liars. Part of me wants to use the opportunity for a double lynch to check if Acro is really "unlynchable" or just lying scum. I'll take a closer look at Acro after work, and get back to you guys before the day is over. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On March 31 2013 00:11 cDgCorazon wrote: Hey guys, I know I haven't been active lately. I've been actively lurking for the past day because I've had nothing good to say, so I wasn't going to say anything at all. Here's what I'm thinking about for the end of D2: My first vote is on Yamato. That won't change. He's given up anyways and if we don't lynch him today he's going to shit up the thread some more. My second vote, while currently on Prp, could possibly change to either Sinani or Acro. Both Prp and Sinani played terrible D1's and continued to be useless and scummy on D2. I have a huge problem with that. Acro just lied about VT, and I'm highly inclined to lynch all liars. Part of me wants to use the opportunity for a double lynch to check if Acro is really "unlynchable" or just lying scum. I'll take a closer look at Acro after work, and get back to you guys before the day is over. This is pretty much what I want to do. I'm not going to be around for the lynch because I'll be out for dinner, so I'd like Hapa to organise it if he agrees. It very much depends on the mechanics of Acro's role. If it's like Personality, the 2nd place will get lynched so Sinani can be put in to 2nd place. It really feels like we should be able to get something down with Acro's unlynchable thing. I spent some time in both rayn and Acro's filter this afternoon. The most notable thing about rayn's filter is the evolution of his Nisani/Smurf reads on Day 1. OO was his first scumread, then OO/Oats, then OO/Oats/Smurf. This remained somewhat consistent, until Nisani suddenly popped up, although I can't discern good reasons for Nisani popping up. At some point Nisani was clearly scummier than Smurf, it's all a bit of a mystery. As for Acro's filter, what Kei picked up on is the weirdest thing about Acro. It's basically his entire attitude on me. I was clearly a mafia-read for Acro towards the end of Day 1. We have this post: On March 27 2013 22:29 Acrofales wrote: Oh, and I'm voting alongside Marv, which means I am either wrong about Marv or about Nisani, or Marv is playing tricksy scum. Fuck this. Nisani is scum. We lynch him, then worry about other people. He's apparently worried he's voting alongside me. Look at the wording - I am either wrong about marv or Nisani. The implication being that if Nisani is mafia I look much better, if Nisani is town, I look worse. Come the town-flip of Nisani, I imagine I should be looking horrendous, but instead Acro decides to make a slam-dunk case on Smurf. So it looks, basically, that I am a scumread Day 1, I'll look worse if nisani flips town, Nisani flips town, but Acro backs off me. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Two guys who have the most votes get lynched at the end of the day if they manage to overcome the majority threshold. Of course, you can vote for a no lynch with one of your votes. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
I don't know what the fuck Acro is trying to do, but this last minute claim is extremely scummy. It might not be useful to vote for him, but we still get information for having him as the highest voted target and it's a double lynch anyway. And I'll vote Smurf to try to make sure scum can't do some last-minute vote switch thing to save a buddy. His lack of any defense whatsoever shows that he has given up on the game. He is surely mafia. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Unlynchable claim :o Bahhhhh, so convenient. Acro explain your role now. Go. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On March 30 2013 20:06 marvellosity wrote: Just read what Kei wrote for a start. The thing to think about is when is someone "doomed". A mafia's objective changes markedly at this point, and goes into wifom-mode, rather than push-a-mislynch-mode. I can't remember Kei's reasons for thinking sinani and Acro couldn't be mafia together even though I only read them 20 minutes ago, but I do remember thinking that they weren't good reasons. lol. Obviously I am aware of that, since it is part of my case against Acro, even if it is just speculation. And part of why I don't think Acro and sinani are scum together. Go back and look through the night. There really was very little discussion about sinani. You mentioned him once "sinani looks worse by default" or something like that. OO posed those questions that kind of had a "sinani is scum" assumption behind them. But there really wasn't much actual talk about sinani. Almost all of the night phase revolved around you/Smurf/Me+cora/OO. So, at that point, I DO think Smurf was doomed. But I do NOT think sinani was doomed in any way. Therefore, since I think Acro is scum, I don't think there was any reason for scum Acro to bus two teammates so hard. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Also do you still think OO is scummy? Also if not, do you have any other reads besides the people you are voting for? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On March 31 2013 01:04 Oatsmaster wrote: So am I or am I not scummy Rayn? No you are not. Also do you still think OO is scummy? I do. Also if not, do you have any other reads besides the people you are voting for? I think Cora/Keir are legit townfirmed masons as they claim. s&b is town unless there is a counter claim. I think Hapa is town. I think you are town. People i am unsure of are marv, prplhz and Dandel. marv has made me feel better about him with his latest posts. Other people are scummy. That is Smurf, Acro, sinani and OO. I am pretty sure i am wrong about one or two of these guys, i just don't know which one(s). | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On March 31 2013 01:03 Keirathi wrote: Anyways I want to talk about this a bit more: Obviously I am aware of that, since it is part of my case against Acro, even if it is just speculation. And part of why I don't think Acro and sinani are scum together. Go back and look through the night. There really was very little discussion about sinani. You mentioned him once "sinani looks worse by default" or something like that. OO posed those questions that kind of had a "sinani is scum" assumption behind them. But there really wasn't much actual talk about sinani. Almost all of the night phase revolved around you/Smurf/Me+cora/OO. So, at that point, I DO think Smurf was doomed. But I do NOT think sinani was doomed in any way. Therefore, since I think Acro is scum, I don't think there was any reason for scum Acro to bus two teammates so hard. EBWOP: I should also say that I don't think that it is impossible for Acro and sinani are scum together. I just don't find it very likely at all, especially if Smurf is mafia. And I'm kind of taking it for granted that Smurf is mafia since he gave up. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On March 31 2013 01:03 Keirathi wrote: Anyways I want to talk about this a bit more: Obviously I am aware of that, since it is part of my case against Acro, even if it is just speculation. And part of why I don't think Acro and sinani are scum together. Go back and look through the night. There really was very little discussion about sinani. You mentioned him once "sinani looks worse by default" or something like that. OO posed those questions that kind of had a "sinani is scum" assumption behind them. But there really wasn't much actual talk about sinani. Almost all of the night phase revolved around you/Smurf/Me+cora/OO. So, at that point, I DO think Smurf was doomed. But I do NOT think sinani was doomed in any way. Therefore, since I think Acro is scum, I don't think there was any reason for scum Acro to bus two teammates so hard. That's exactly why i do not think Acro and sinani are scum together. This is of course assuming Smurf in fact is scum. But i don't see why he would not be. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
##Vote: Acrofales | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
To acro: if you are town, you should absolutely explain the mechanics of your unlynchable role. Allowing us to waste a lynch on verifying it if we don't have to is nearly as bad as if you got mislynched yourself. To me, the motivation to explain yourself is so strong the if you continue to refuse, I'm going to have to assume you are lying and scum. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On March 31 2013 01:48 strongandbig wrote: I don't like the idea of "using the double lynch to test acrofales's unlynchable claim." A double lynch on day 2 is a huge bonus IMO, especially with so many serious and engaged townies still alive. To acro: if you are town, you should absolutely explain the mechanics of your unlynchable role. Allowing us to waste a lynch on verifying it if we don't have to is nearly as bad as if you got mislynched yourself. To me, the motivation to explain yourself is so strong the if you continue to refuse, I'm going to have to assume you are lying and scum. If you dont want to test the unlynchable claim, who do you want to lynch? | ||
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