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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On March 30 2013 23:29 marvellosity wrote: In other, fluffy news, my other half got me (among other things) a TL hoodie for my birthday. Woo! Sounds like you're a bit less grumpy today  I probably shouldn't have been teasing you so much. But in all seriousness marv, it's been over a week since personality - promise you'll stop pretending to not give a fuck if you get lynched? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Considering he flipped scum in Newbie XXXIX | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On March 31 2013 01:49 Keirathi wrote: If you dont want to test the unlynchable claim, who do you want to lynch? If acro doesn't say anything more about his claim (I want role name and color and flavor, all powers, how exactly his unlynchability works, how we can get rid of him if he really is unlynchable) - if he doesn't give us those, I want to lynch him because his reticence would make me think he is scum. But if we believe him, we shouldn't be lynching him to confirm him as town. If we believe his claim, we should try to use our extra lynch on people we think are scum. Especially because I very much doubt that there will be a second-place lynch redirection, since this is majority lynch and not plurality lynch. I think insertsmurfhere is a good choice for the other lynch. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Who would you lynch beside him if we don't lynch Smurf+Acro. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On March 31 2013 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Thoughts on Rayn everybody? Considering he flipped scum in Newbie XXXIX One scum game does not a meta make (have you read the postgame comments in The Game thread?) I don't think it should have much impact on how we evaluate his play this game, unless there are specific things people were seeing from him which they thought "this specific thing wouldn't come from a scummer," and he did those specific things in that other game. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On March 31 2013 02:00 strongandbig wrote: One scum game does not a meta make (have you read the postgame comments in The Game thread?) I don't think it should have much impact on how we evaluate his play this game, unless there are specific things people were seeing from him which they thought "this specific thing wouldn't come from a scummer," and he did those specific things in that other game. Not considering that he flipped scum in Newbie XXXIX. Are you deliberately ignoring the question? | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On March 31 2013 01:59 Keirathi wrote: Yes yes, we already have a majority on Smurf. Who would you lynch beside him if we don't lynch Smurf+Acro. I haven't been persuaded by the defenses of obviousone, I still believe he could be scum for the reasons I described during the night phase, so he would be my next choice. For a second lynch, I guess I would have to say sinani? I've found the cases on him from both sides to be just sort-of persuasive, so I feel like he's kind of a coinflip but my other choice would be marv and I don't think I'm ready to actually lynch him just yet. I haven't looked at oatsmaster yet though, he's another possibility in that I haven't seen anything from him that makes me go "oh he's town", but it seems like no one has very strong scum reads on him that I've noticed so maybe people who've played with him more have done some analysis. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On March 31 2013 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Not considering that he flipped scum in Newbie XXXIX. Are you deliberately ignoring the question? Lol no, I'm deliberately saying I don't think it's a good question. I think unless someone was predicting a town read on him on certain things that they thought were "town tells" but that he did as scum, then his alignment in that game shouldn't have a big effect on analysis of him in this one. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Also sleeping now, Fuck acro and his nonsense my vote is on him and will be on him at the end of the day. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
##Vote Acrofales Not going to be around today because Jesus. Toodles! | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On March 31 2013 02:07 strongandbig wrote: Lol no, I'm deliberately saying I don't think it's a good question. I think unless someone was predicting a town read on him on certain things that they thought were "town tells" but that he did as scum, then his alignment in that game shouldn't have a big effect on analysis of him in this one. rayn was quite clearly the townleader in that game, with high activity and contributions. For a new player this is especially unusual, and so the lazy heuristic I was using here of active, paranoid townie is something that needs to be reconsidered in light of the fact he was far more capable as mafia than a newer player (or indeed, 95%+ of normal players) usually is. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On March 31 2013 01:03 Keirathi wrote: Anyways I want to talk about this a bit more: Obviously I am aware of that, since it is part of my case against Acro, even if it is just speculation. And part of why I don't think Acro and sinani are scum together. Go back and look through the night. There really was very little discussion about sinani. You mentioned him once "sinani looks worse by default" or something like that. OO posed those questions that kind of had a "sinani is scum" assumption behind them. But there really wasn't much actual talk about sinani. Almost all of the night phase revolved around you/Smurf/Me+cora/OO. So, at that point, I DO think Smurf was doomed. But I do NOT think sinani was doomed in any way. Therefore, since I think Acro is scum, I don't think there was any reason for scum Acro to bus two teammates so hard. **SNIPPED OUT OF MY FOLLOWUP POST*** EBWOP: I should also say that I don't think that it is impossible for Acro and sinani are scum together. I just don't find it very likely at all, especially if Smurf is mafia. And I'm kind of taking it for granted that Smurf is mafia since he gave up. Agree or disagree? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Kind of agree in an uncomfortable not-sure-if-I-agree way. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 31 2013 03:07 marvellosity wrote: rayn was quite clearly the townleader in that game, with high activity and contributions. For a new player this is especially unusual, and so the lazy heuristic I was using here of active, paranoid townie is something that needs to be reconsidered in light of the fact he was far more capable as mafia than a newer player (or indeed, 95%+ of normal players) usually is. I am not a new player. I have played ~20 games on another forum. You can read it from our scum QT from XXXIX. I play the same especially on D1 as town or mafia. As i said, it's just that my intentions are different. I have not played with any of you so i do not bother to take meta into account, as if i read another game of someone of yours, i could not be sure if what i see is actually true, because people interact differently depending on who are they interacting with, and their alignment. There are too many factors for me to take meta into account to form a read on someone. So can you just cut the crap with meta, i'm pretty sure Cora was trying to figure out if i am scum on D1 as he hosted XXXIX and i played the beginning of this game similary. That's why i was near getting really angry with him. I knew what he was after but i could not defend myself in any way (as we can't talk about ongoing games). | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
1) I don't have the player-list of people involved in the circle 2) Nothing in my Role PM says anything about any player's alignment in this circle. 3) There's a reasonable chance that scum is either posting or watching the circle I'm not going to post full logs, because I want to protect some role-claims. That being said, I'm claiming because the circle is kinda useless, and acro role-claimed in-circle very early on. In addition, I know that Rayn saw his claimed role in there. Acro = Acro some ramdon dude = Rayton + Show Spoiler + 7 some random dude 03-25-2013 08:09 PM ET (US) Why did you decide to claim it? EDIT: That explains it :p Edited 03-25-2013 08:11 PM 6 Acrofales 03-25-2013 08:06 PM ET (US) Haha, just saw this could be infiltrated by non-townies. Let me rephrase that: I roleclaimed but edited it out! BOOM. @ Rayn - what was the role that Acro claimed in the circle? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Fuck me. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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