EPTfuck it, never have enough time to play mafia but now is as good as any. Plus flavour made me want in.
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fuck it, never have enough time to play mafia but now is as good as any. Plus flavour made me want in. | ||
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On March 22 2013 00:17 TheRavensName wrote: This time when I tunnel your day 1 suspicious play.. you will die. Yay! I heard people like to switch their lynch candidate from tunneled people to someone totally random in the last 30 minutes of every day, in the last 10 games played on TL. No rly | ||
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Anyone who kills Hermione is going to hell. | ||
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On March 22 2013 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I didn't mean you, i meant the other players who posted after nobodywonder FoS'd you. Don't you find it odd that people do not talk anything relevant to the game when there is stuff to talk about? I understand people's first posts usually say nothing (or very little) but when there is something to talk about (in this case three votes and a FoS and at least one post i found interesting and worth questioning) there is no excuse to continue with posting something that does not help you find mafia. I'm a fan of posting constructively and of posting relevant content that helps with scumhunting, but I'd just like to point two things out, firstly that it's very early in the first day, and a bit of banter shouldn't be seen as dodging posting constructively. Secondly, a few of these votes are policy votes, joke votes or votes based on a previous game. Whilst these votes DO generate discussion, it does so between the person voting and the votee. It's difficult for an outsider to post directly on these votes until a response has been made by the person being voted for, and some discussion has been generated. Which is, for example, why my opening post contained a hello and a comment about flavour. However this is no excuse to lurk for half of the day, discussion should be generated ASAP. On March 22 2013 22:53 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK, now a post has stood out to me. This seems scummy: Pointing out that I'm suspicious and hostile (am I being hostile?) to make sure everybody else is aware of it but then posting a weak defense for me. Basically telling everyone: You should suspect jarjar, but I don't. Another thing this post does that I don't like is semi-imply that it's OK to...don't know how to put it but it's OK to post less, semi-lurk or be unsure of contributing just because it's day 1 and historically tough to weed mafia out. This is infact the opposite, if anything day1 should be as discussion-filled as possible BECAUSE it's harder to find mafia d1, more effort, posts and discussion are needed. As town, you should NEVER be afraid to post. Speak your mind, as long as you keep your thoughts constructive and concise so you aren't misconstrued as trying to cause chaos in the thread you'll be fine. Sidenote: I know the two halves of this post kind of contradict each other - but both are valid points so i'm going to post them together anyway. | ||
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Not really repeating anything people have said, and if it was obvious then you wouldn't have been the one telling people to comment on the votes that have been made instead of saying hi and commenting on flavour. I dislike his post in it's entirety, but I'm not reading too much into it for now. What he's said in his defence is true (link) Omni does indeed step in and defend him here, for a very similar post and mistake. Passing this off as a townie mistake for now. | ||
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@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why? | ||
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On March 23 2013 00:53 Rainbows wrote: Holy crap you're scum. ##Unvote ##Vote: Virtu Cute. Your tone so far has been confident bordering on arrogant. Traits commonly found in a new player that thinks he's invincible when he gets Godfather handed to him and doesn't know what to do with it. On March 23 2013 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: The thing is. Look at what has happened. There are two people voting for me atm. For what? For me trying to figure out stuff. I like to vote, my vote will always be on a person i find out to be scummiest at the moment. I presented my case for people to discuss it and i am sticking with it until it's proven i am wrong or we find someone who is more scummy. I understand this might be a townie mistake, i just don't think it is. And using "what someone else did in some other game" isn't really a defence that convinces me. If Raven actually starts scumhunting, contributing and making observations that make sense i'm willing to reconsider my vote. If he is in fact town the best defence is to start finding mafia. Early on it's effective to question people as much as possible. We get discussion and everyone needs to participate. I am not "switching my focus", voting for someone you think is mafia tells that you actually think they are mafia and you are not just being wishy-washy. I never really thought JarJar was mafia. Note that i voted him earlier than he posted. My vote being on him had nothing to do with what he said later. I just didn't bother to change my vote because voting for someone also pressures them to do things. Which JarJar then did. It's that simple. ------ Another note. There is no point in going after lurkers now. They will post later, if they don't, we lynch them. Period. Note that TheRavensName also noticed this, but a part of his case against me is me "Why did he drop Jar to focus on me instead of calling out more people who were lurking". I don't even know what to say.. So i am being voted for being aggressive (does aggressive = scum?), for trying to promote discussion and getting the discussion started and for voting for a person i think is mafia (with a case that noone has proven to be wrong). I don't care to defend myself because it's so silly. And yes, Frorgron's post is another thing that bothers me at the moment. I even asked him about it and i am expecting an answer when he comes back. I agree with you. I don't understand the votes on you to be perfectly honest, and through my comment I just wanted to see your reaction, which i'm happy with for now. I too would like to see raven stop purely defending himself in every reply, but part of the problem right now is there aren't enough people actively posting. It is too early to go after lurkers but not too early to notice they aren't really posting, which they should start doing asap. Outside opinions on the back and forth between you and raven, and rainbow's colourful (pun intended) contributions would be nice. | ||
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Also, your comparison is terrible, I'm ADMITTING i'm not adding anything to the thread in my own post because I know I'm not, and I have nothing to add at that moment in time. Still, I post it because it's better to post whether I agree/disagree with things others have said than to not post at all, even if it is one way scum hide amongst townies. In AD's post he accidentally adds in the fact that he's sheeping others, in a post trying to look like he's adding to the thread. they're completely different posts. | ||
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Literally lists what has happened so far. This happened, then that happened. Goes on to point a FoS on a complete lurker, easy move anyone can do. Lurkers are FoS for everyone. Re-iterates a point a few others have made, even though you've explained your actions and that ship has sailed. The last point is OK, especially the fact he highlights himself, but it's a VERY blendy post, and to say it's his thoughts so far there isn't much there. | ||
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Will be reading for a while, I'm also at work for the next 5 hours but I'll try and get some thoughts down, then when I get home I should have time to formulate some thoughts into posts before I fall into an abyss of sleep. Also - I was roleblocked last night. | ||
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Not apologising for being hit by an unavoidable train of IRL/Work shit, when I joined the game I obviously had the time to play it out properly. will apologise for not even voting though, poor effort. Btw lol kill rainbows Jesus, 100% scum. | ||
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##Vote: JarJarDrinks Nicely played Rainbows. I'm VT, and have been roleblocked twice this game, guess scum couldn't afford to kill me because I've been useless to town but were scared I was a blue. I was sure you were either Blue or Mafia by the end of D1 from your play. | ||
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Also i'd prefer to kill JarJar after that claim to be honest, It stinks of fakeclaim (no crumbs, doesn't specify his targets each night, doesn't aim the claim at rainbows but at TRN). Also Also, I kinda think the reason scum left Rainbows alive is because of how hard he has tunneled me this game, I imagine scum thought it easy to jump on a Rainbows' fuelled wagon on me lategame to secure a victory (also the reason why they left me alive, that and why shoot someone who is useless to town). | ||
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But then again if he is a medic he's played a really shitty game because he deserves to die, SO many useless posts from a 3 page filter, one-two liners, wagon jumping and terrible "reads" (see - recycled cases and thrown together comments from other people). Also comments on Rainbows use of his Cop checks, specifically on me, when half of his filter is spent trying to get me lynched on D2. Yes, it is true that Rainbows also went after me pretty hard, but the difference is you BOTH "used your roles" on me, and simply put a cop check after trying to get me killed makes so much more sense than tunneling me all day, sheeping off me onto nobody wonder, THEN TARGETING ME WITH YOUR MEDIC ABILITY?!?!? I just can't believe your claim with actions like this, so my vote is staying on you. | ||
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On March 27 2013 09:44 cDgCorazon wrote: Vote Count! Everyone is required to vote. Nobodywonder (3): TheRavensName, Rainbows, Krafla TheRavensName (2): Raynpelikoneet, NobodyWonder, Krafla (1): JarJarDrinks Virtu (0): Not Voting (1): Virtu Currently, Nobodywonder is set to be lynched! 17 minutes until lynch (01:00 GMT (+00:00)). Let me know if my counting spell was off! JarJar moved his vote to TRN here, meaning at some point during this day he's voted for every single other person that has had a vote, I can't bring myself to believe this is town play, voting for 4 different people when there aren't even 4 mafia? Like i said earlier, if JarJar is town, not only will I eat my hat, he has my vote for second worst town play this game, second only to myself who hasn't even been around for 90% of it. | ||
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On March 29 2013 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay doctor vs roleblocker makes sense so virtu is probably telling the truth and Raven is Rainbow's scumbuddy. Why does doctor vs roleblocker make sense? why doesn't cop + rb? | ||
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On March 29 2013 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Really, that's all the effort you are willing to put into this? What do you want me to do? Quote my own post? I've explained why I don't think JarJar is Town, and why I think his claim is fake. I'm reading through filters now to see the overall play of yourself, TRN, Rainbows. If i find something that convinces me I could be wrong and JarJar is really just a horrible town, I'll gladly consider rethinking my position. I don't think rainbows would go to all the trouble of tunneling me so hard for being afk just to try and get a mislynch, then fake a cop check town on me and start acting nice, when I know for a fact that I'm town. He also started hard defending TRN after his claimed check on him too. I don't think a mafia would hard defend another one so hard, so early in the game, makes far more sense for him to be wishy washy then bus him for town cred. If he has done all of the above, then all I can say is well played, because town hasn't been in control of this game anywhere near enough for me to be able to disprove it, especially at MyLo, and especially when I think JarJar is scum. You attempting to question me (by the way, all you've done all game is ask people questions, which at first glance looks quite useful, but a lot of what I'm reading looks like attempts to divert the conversation, distract etc), doesn't suddenly make Rainbows claim look fake and JarJar's real. | ||
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On March 29 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's distracting only if you don't make conclusions from your questions. I think i have been clear to offer my thoughts after people have answered me - i mean, i ask question, they answer, i make conclusions from the answers and point them out in thread. My reason behind the question is this. If you are town you can easily come up with any possible scum combos assuming Rainbows/JarJar are both telling the truth and have a reasonable answer (if you think it's possible or not). If you are mafia it's much harder because you do not want to out your scumbuddy and you want to lynch a townie this phase and other players might see the flaws in your logic. That's what i was after. Now it's irrelevant becauase you dodged the question already and threw the ball back at me by discrediting my playstyle. Wrong. If you are town, you have people you think are mafia. If someone you think is mafia claims blue, and someone you think isn't mafia claims blue, it is entirely possible and reasonable, to say that you don't think it's possible both blue claims are true. Also: at this point, with 5 players and the votes being 3/2, both mafia have to be voting with each other, unless at only FIVE players left, "Town's" two lynch candidates are both town - in which case we have already lost. I know I'm town, so from my perspective I'm either voting with 2 town, or 2 scum. You and JarJar are defending each other, Rainbows and TRN are defending each other, and out of everyone left I think JarJar is the scummiest, CLAIMS ASIDE. Add in the fact I think his claim is fake, or if it's real then lol nice medic prot targets and play, then it's a no brainer for me. If i'm wrong, then i'm wrong and can accept that, considering I've been absent for some (most) of the game. But I just don't believe him. | ||
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On March 29 2013 23:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:Virtu, say I'm a bad townie all you want. But you're saying that you believe a cop would actually investigate to confirm town. How can you even consider that to be true? I've read plenty of mafia games on this site, and more often than not cop checks are done to confirm town, especially in smaller games. Infact they're often used to check null reads, and a lot of people were on TRN's back at the start of the game but he survived the day, so I can believe he was checked. Also i was completely null due to not being around. | ||
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On March 30 2013 00:19 JarJarDrinks wrote: It's my first game on TL. I've played a bit elsewhere but the roles were very different. But I am capable of reading and the cop role here is to catch bad guys. If a cop investigates someone and expects them to flip green then he's playing it wrong. @Virtu like I said, you may think I played bad as a townie. But (assuming you're the townie) the game is going to be decided by you. And believing Rainbows cop claim is just so much worse than bad play you can accuse me of. Believing your claim would be easier if anything you've done this game made sense, if Rainbows is mafia and you're blue then my believing him only stems from the way you claimed, your terrible prot targets, and your wishywashy voting D2. there's NO excuse for voting for 4 different people in a game with a MAXIMUM of 3 mafia and likely two. On March 13 2013 05:47 JarJarDrinks wrote: K, from what I can tell, a smurf is an alt account. I can assure you, I just opened my first account a few minutes ago. I've only ever lurked. You don't know what a smurf account is, you've only opened your account a few minutes before this game, but you're certain I'm a worse player than you for believing Rainbows claim over yours. K. On March 22 2013 12:52 JarJarDrinks wrote: Hey all, Don't worry I wont lurk @ all once the game starts rolling. Being how I've never played against any of y'all I have nothing to base any read off so I probably wont throw down a vote untill everyone's posted a bit. "Hey guys, I won't lurk once people do the work for me and i can sheep onto a lynch" ...continued below ..."like this". Me too, great reasoning and case there. By the way - the ACTUAL reason you voted for him was becuase he thought you were scummy and voted for you, basically an OMGUS vote. On March 23 2013 09:32 JarJarDrinks wrote: So while I'm still suspicious of Raven. I don't think he looks as scummy as Frorgon does. ##Unvote: TheRavensName ##Vote: Frorgon You're still suspicious of him, you make sure to tell us that, at the same time you take your vote off him. On March 25 2013 02:48 JarJarDrinks wrote: Ray, I think I've been on the same page as you most of this game. But I have to disagree with you on this one. I was online @ the deadline and could have switched to Krafla. But giving him a free pass from day 1 wasn't a concern of mine. I voted Frorgon because I thought he was the most likely to be scum. And while Kraflas one post was pretty terrible, it wasn't enough to give me a scum read. @ least nowhere near the read I had Frogorn. When you voted for Krafla, was it because you thought he was the most likely person to be scum? This feels forced to me, the way you say the bolded part just looks like a carefully constructed bit of scum posting about another scum. On March 25 2013 03:50 JarJarDrinks wrote: As I said already, I didn't vote for him because I thought Frogorn was more likely to be scum. I can't tell you exactly what I'm willing to do @ the end of day 2. If Krafla doesn't contribute again than he's certainly someone I'm gonna suspect. But if I have a better scum read on someone, than that's where my vote is going. On March 26 2013 23:37 JarJarDrinks wrote: Yeah, I guess it seems like he wasn't as likely to be lynched as I remember. So that does put a hole in some of my reasoning. Actually we're waiting on anything from virtu. He was supposed to post in 5 hours like a day ago. I don't think we can let him continue to ignore this thread. If he's town, he done nothing to even appear as if he's trying to help. So based on those 2 things, I'm gonna: ##Unvote ##Vote: virtu So from these two quotes, firstly you say that if krafla doesn't stop lurking soonish you're going to be suspicious of him. You then post a chummy agree with ray post for like the 5th time in the game, being as friendly with him as Rainbows is with TRN, finally when Krafla DOES eventually post, all he does is conveniently highlight the fact that I haven't posted for almost the whole day, which convinces you to switch your vote to me. I guess your heart just wasn't in your last vote then was it? On March 27 2013 09:13 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Krafla Pretty sure Krafla just outed himself here. Another vote switch, for a stupid reason. Townies would never say if X flips green then Y? Well, actually, they do it all the time. The frequency with which people flip green that another town member is "100% Certain no way in hell he's flipping green" happens, you have to prepare for this inevitability. Also this puts your vote onto the third person of the evening, with 3 on NW and 2 on TRN, but your vote is still on the fence. You're going to do some more investiagative work surely... On March 27 2013 09:52 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##unvote ##vote: TheRavensName But that still means NW gets lynched correct? Oh wait, no you're not. Rather than vote for one of the THREE people who have already been your mafia suspects for the day, you switch your vote to someone you have hardly mentioned all day. Not only that but you make sure to ask whether your vote will get him lynched or not due to the tie breaker. Is your heart not in that out-of-the-blue vote with no case or reasoning on person #4 for the day or what? Don't want to be responsible for it if he gets lynched and draw attention to yourself? I could go on but I mean, after your D1 and D2 how you can expect me to believe your blue claim over Rainbows, is just beyond my ability to reason. If you're town, I do NOT feel bad about voting for you today and losing town the game. | ||
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On March 30 2013 07:57 Rainbows wrote: Omg i read that as ending in 10 minutes LOL Ekekeke ##Unvote ##Vote: JarJar | ||
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On March 30 2013 09:14 JarJarDrinks wrote: \sigh I figured you changed your vote cause you decided to RTFT. No such luck I guess? + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2013 02:18 JarJarDrinks wrote: Ok, I guess I can't respond to you when you're just making stuff up that never happened. Like geez, it really sucks when people play the game and don't contribute for days on end, but you'd hope they actually read the thread. Like this is an outright lie. Raven never voted for me prior to my vote for him. In fact my vote for him was because he defended me. Please go back and reread the thread because its frustrating talking to someone that has no clue what actually happened in the game. My bad, he didn't vote for you, he did call you out, and whilst yes he did highlight that he made the same mistake in the previous game that isn't really him defending you. Either way it's a shitty reason to vote for someone. Also, I like how that's all you responded to. Townie about to lose the game puts in more effort than that, but I guess that's more in line with your posts all game, as I pointed out. That's I have to say to you, as I said before either i'm right or i'm wrong and it's a learning curve, but I think you're scum. | ||
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