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/in
dont lynch me pls
ps do you still hate me?
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I welcome myself to this marvelous game.
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I've noticed a lot of support on a goodkarma wagon. and im in full support as of now
On March 16 2013 17:33 goodkarma wrote:Let's look at Viscera's "policy post." I disagree with pretty much everything he has to say in his attempt at starting a circle.: Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 17:06 VisceraEyes wrote:Tenets of the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team- Attendance
All members of the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team are required to post at least FIVE times per phase, a total of TEN times per cycle. This is a half a page of filter per day. Failure to meet this standard will result in immediate expulsion from the team.
I'd rather have one good post than five shitty ones. Quantity =/= to quality.
- Logistics
All members of the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team will be expected to fill out nightly reports, due before the following Dawn phase, outlining all of his findings for the day and his most recent "Lynch List". Failure to submit this report will result in immediate expulsion from the team.
In other words: "Let's outline who we should lynch when town has no power whatsoever to lynch"... While sometimes situationally okay, it's a pretty dumb policy. Mafia can use this information better than town.
- Compliance
All members of the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team will be expected to vote with the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team at the end of each day unless directly specified otherwise by VisceraEyes. Failure to do so will result in immediate expulsion from the team.
Let's not blindly sheep people...
Here at the Super Awesome Scumhunting Team, we're out to find and destroy Mafia. We have a variety of programs designed to help you, the aspiring scumhunter, attain your goals of a safe and secure future for the town. Not a member of the SAST? It's easy! Just apply here in the thread using the command " ##Apply: SAST"! Anyhow, going to bed. Will be back tomorrow. I humbly request we focus on scumhunting. Thank you and good night.
Deliberate attempt to fit into our crowd, I'd call it pretty scummy. Any decent town would ignore it because it actually offers no reliable information.
##Vote: goodkarma
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goodkarma. he's fairly experienced but not really i assume. Judging from my past experience with mafia, they're probably on his ass if he were scum and will throw him under the bus for the post i quoted above. They know that hes capable of better and I take that post as a quick halfassed attempt to make himself look town.
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^ HAH
we kill sciberbia next
just realized his original post
Overall, leaning scum on geript.
You're really quick to come to conclusions. You're announcing your status as you said, 2 hours into day 1. And you think it's foolish to start pushing a lynch yeah? Then how about a bit of questioning or asking for reasoning instead of flat out saying you think hes scum when you wont push a lynch on him.
Thats not all, You're critique of geript SUCKS. ITS TERRIBLE. People including DoYouHas and myself will wonder, what the fuck are you talking about? He does not look scum at all.
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also my theory on the karma bus, fully supported. but that claim can still be disputed, karma has to flip mafia first.
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K BH. you know as well as i do that we dont deviate and form 2 wagons.
fuck off?
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Im inclined to call you scum also
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On March 17 2013 09:22 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 09:22 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 09:21 Kenpachi wrote:
Is he a smurf? TPS is almost certainly a smurf. More reason, btw, why his so-called "case" on coag is bad. He should definitely know better.
exactly what i was thinking but its a case of WIFOM here and i honestly cant tell.
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ok your bandwagon is pretty legit. I'd call for a lynch on Peashooter or goodkarma and a vig shot the next night.
No questions that is done.
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actually, vig shot will be hard to organize.
idk you guys just shoot up whoever you want actually
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i will not be here tomorrow afternoon. night
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On March 17 2013 20:36 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote:On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote:On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:
Sandro:
I don't like this post.
Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red.
What does town sandro look like? What do you think of DarthPunk? You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly?
##Vote: DarthPunk
LoL just cacthing up now. One thing though. I doubt anyone could interpret my vote as anything more than some pressure to stop his RNG bullshit. That's clearly what it was but you claiming that I was trying to lynch him off that is complete BS. I doubt this misinterpretation could be anything but deliberate. ##unvote
##Vote:CosmicomicsExplain how the fuck you think I was actually doing anything more than a pressure vote on someone in order to get them to cease a terrible idea/plan?
WTF
On March 17 2013 19:41 sciberbia wrote:Thoughts on lynch candidates GreyMistI could pretty easily see GreyMist being scum. I agree with what sandroba and somebody else said about his first post. Then he lurked for a while. Upon emerging from lurking, he jumped on a post of GK accusing him of lurking saying "I've been waiting for this!". Then he repeatedly piled on GK. I see scum motivation here where greymist justifies his lurking and pushes a mislynch. Two birds with one stone. Also, I don't think his arguments about GK are particularly good. I wouldn't feel too bad about a greymist lynch today. PeashooterI don't want to lynch him. Pretty good chance he's town. He drew attention to himself with the Coag thing, continued to push Coag, picked a fight with DH, and has shown willingness to interact with the thread. Seems more likely town than not. Not sure if he is even a lynch candidate anymore. CoagulationI don't vote people unless I think they are scum and I really don't have a clue. if I had to hazard a guess I would say town. TestSubjectThe main accusation seems to be that he chose to talk about stuff other than who he thinks is scum. I don't know TestSubject but he seems relatively new so it's a bit unreasonable to demand original scumreads after just one read-through. Also, his willingness to interact with the thead and some of the stuff he says about GK gives me a townie feel. Not interested in lynching TestSubject. zarepathI'm pretty interested in lynching this guy. I stated some supsicions before and his behavior since then further suggests he is scum. Here are the quotes: + Show Spoiler +On March 17 2013 12:33 zarepath wrote:
I haven't hopped on the GK or TPS bandwagons because I'm not convinced of them entirely. I've never played in a game this large and there are a LOT of people who have posted almost literally nothing, and several people whose small contributions have been less substantial than either of these two players (DarthPunk, Trancestorm, sandroba, Coagulation). I hear what people are saying about them, but I hadn't taken into account the point that TPS is obviously a proxy, and that muddles the waters a bit.
It's not like there's an enormous wagon on GK right now -- half the thread has hardly posted and there's what, two or three people talking about him? I can see why; it's not like it's bad to talk about him, but I just don't have anything to add. I also thought it was quite scummy for him to basically give his Pro Town resume of all the wonderfully pro town things he's done (which under scrutiny he hasn't done), and I can understand that looking pretty bad. But I know what it's like to think you have a solid pro-town filter as town and apparently it wasn't as solid and obvious as you assumed.
But he's also promised he has a case coming, and I can understand the desire to wait until you feel confident about a case to really push it. I'm inclined to see what he comes up with and re-evaluate my read from there. On March 17 2013 12:34 zarepath wrote:
EBWOP: Sundays are my busiest days and I am not likely to be around as much as some of you may like tomorrow. I will check up on the thread and read through it when I can and such and certainly have a vote in, but I won't be making it into the SAST tomorrow, that's for sure. Just an FYI for you all. I don't like the first post at all. He says he hasn't commented on the GK or TPS bandwaggons because he isn't "entirely convinced". Again, he makes it seem like he is very suspicious of people but doesn't commit. He says that the fact that TPS is a proxy "muddles the waters a bit" but does not explain at all how it affects his read of TPS. Seems like a way to just avoid having to give a read on TPS. Furthermore, he describes GK's behavior as "quite scummy" but then sympathizes with the same behavior that he just called "quite scummy." More of the same non-commital and devil's advocate. Next, he says he is busy on Sundays and disappears when I ask him to clarify his read on TPS. goodkarmaHere are some of the more important reasons that I found goodkarma suspicious: - he felt the need to comment on VE's SAST post but didn't come to any conclusion about VE from it - his first few posts reek of 'i am goint to say non-controversial things so please don't pay any attention to me' - his playing mr. nice guy with coag However, after reading through some of his previous games, I think there's a pretty decent chance he's townie this game. He loves to talk about policy in general so I can see him going out of his way to talk policy about VE. Also, his posts since his accusation of Greymist have just been giving me a townier feel. He is willing to talk with people in the thread and isn't just vanishing like scum are prone to do when under pressure. Blech I dunno about this guy. Right now my gut feeling is town. cosmicomicsI don't know if he's really a lynch candidate but his filter is pretty alarming. It consists of a pretty much 100% sheep off of layabout onto DP and pretty much nothing else. Also I think he is a smurf which makes this an even bigger cause for concern.
I feel best about a zarepath lynch. I'm voting him now. Going to bed pretty soon but will be online for at least a little while longer if anyone wants to discuss something with me. ##Vote: zarepath
WTF
On March 17 2013 22:48 Vivax wrote:A NEW CHALLENGER IS APPROACHING ## Vote: DoYouHas
WTF
On March 17 2013 23:29 glurio wrote:Ok finally done with reading. Here are some of my thoughts on the first read through. zarepath: I played two newbie games with him and he's always busy on weekends, and so far he always gave me a slightly scummy vibe D1 although he was town. He usually picks up his play along the way, so i really can't support a zarepath lynch today. TestSubject: In his last game where he was anti-town he played pretty tame D1, usually agreeing to stuff and basically not drawing attention, picking a fight with one of the loudest voices in the thread? Don't think he would draw that much attention to him as scum. He won't get a vote from me either. TPS: While i think his setup speculation makes for a scummy beginning he kinda redeemed himself for me with his posts pointing out coagulation who i think looks scummy right now. Coagulation: I think he looks scummy. Although he has a few posts none of them have any kind of content. Since he obviously is not new to mafia, i really think he should pick up his play. sandroba: His play (or the lack of) also lacks town motivation. If you compare it to his last game where he was town ( Fruity Mafia). He actively pursuits his scum reads, asks them question, all of this completely non-existant this game. He posts this but so far no follow-up. Scum. ##Vote: sandroba
WTF
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btw i lied, plans were cancelled and i'll be here today
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Settle this you fuckers, we have too many lynch candidates for 1 day.
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OK, How many of you guys are trying to lynch based off inactivity?
r u dumb?
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On March 17 2013 23:29 glurio wrote:Ok finally done with reading. Here are some of my thoughts on the first read through.
zarepath: I played two newbie games with him and he's always busy on weekends, and so far he always gave me a slightly scummy vibe D1 although he was town. He usually picks up his play along the way, so i really can't support a zarepath lynch today.
sandroba: His play (or the lack of) also lacks town motivation. If you compare it to his last game where he was town (Fruity Mafia). He actively pursuits his scum reads, asks them question, all of this completely non-existant this game. He posts this but so far no follow-up. Scum. ##Vote: sandroba
What i dont get is how you're defending zarepath for inactivity but you accuse sandroba for inactivity. do you consider that sandroba may just be busy? You can only back yourself up with 2 days of evidence.
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On March 18 2013 02:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I'm still catching up, but to Kenpachi and Kitaman if you're still around, are you still in support of your votes on GK, or are you looking at other candidates?
yes. I have been considering TPS as a 2nd alternative. I'm reading other cases atm but I don't really want to give up my case on gk. FoS for now because evidence has been weltering as of recently.
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Ok, so i personally believe most of these accusations are weak but that's how i see it on day 1 generally. I will admit my case on goodkarma is piled by a bunch of assumptions and that is, like BH has pointed out, not a great thing for a lynch. However, there is a lack of response but I did say what others said and he is apparently playing like he normally does. TPS did not provide any form of defense so i still am suspecting him.
Greymist is a shady figure because his actions, greatly resemble what I do when I am scum. There is literally nothing to accuse DarthPunk and DoYouHas imo.
Vivax is looking to be an easy target to jump ship on, and i can't get a good read on him personally. He sheeped onto random people when there is a clear wagon he can contribute to as well as some of these random people being inactive or lurking. I also dont like the scumslip argument, it wasn't a hardslip at all and it's easy to bring attention to. I'd look at the people focusing on that tbh.
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So i guess the goodkarma wagon is no more. In that case, i will vote for Greymist instead of zarepeth.
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I'm personally not very comfortable not getting any limelight, good or bad lol
ill bear with it though, I'd like to claim a medic protect on me, just cause. I have a feeling mafia will gun me down first night.
GreYMisT not being scum is disappointing but it is honestly not surprising, though im having a hard time piecing information on his wagon together. Its safe to assume we will find majority of mafia, maybe even all of them, in the bunch that voted him because 1. easy as hell to sheep, 2. he is a forum veteran. 12 people voted for him, including me
RyuSuzaku, goodkarma, Vivax, geript, ThePeashooter, cosmicomics, Wade Fell, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, zarepath, kitaman27, TestSubject893, WaveofShadow
Honestly, a hard group to figure out.
I'd like to assume that me and Ryu are not mafia lol.
kitaman is just not contributing as much as we'd like to did we not realize? He's as invisible as I am.
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^that's a really cool website
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On March 19 2013 07:44 ThePeashooter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 07:08 Kenpachi wrote:
I'm personally not very comfortable not getting any limelight, good or bad lol
ill bear with it though, I'd like to claim a medic protect on me, just cause. I have a feeling mafia will gun me down first night.
GreYMisT not being scum is disappointing but it is honestly not surprising, though im having a hard time piecing information on his wagon together. Its safe to assume we will find majority of mafia, maybe even all of them, in the bunch that voted him because 1. easy as hell to sheep, 2. he is a forum veteran. 12 people voted for him, including me
RyuSuzaku, goodkarma, Vivax, geript, ThePeashooter, cosmicomics, Wade Fell, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, zarepath, kitaman27, TestSubject893, WaveofShadow
Honestly, a hard group to figure out.
I'd like to assume that me and Ryu are not mafia lol.
kitaman is just not contributing as much as we'd like to did we not realize? He's as invisible as I am. If anyone protects Kenpachi they are an idiot. How can you possibly think you are worth protecting? If the mafia killed you I would applaud them even if you were a jack of all trades. You have literally posted nothing of value, but you never do so that shouldn't be expected. I forget again, why do you even play this game? You never say anything and never do anything except become an anchor on whatever team you are on. Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 07:20 Vivax wrote:
Also my scumreads still didn't provide reads on Zarepath they seem to not want to play transparently for town.
TPS didn't comment on the other reads I asked him for and he treated me aggressively.
I sense people being uncooperative or unmotivated to help town (which doesn't surprise me since I think they scum d'oh), I didn't ask them to do something hard. If you want to see me being aggressive look above. I was nothing but nice to you so get out of this emotional state and learn to play the game. I gave you advice and you somehow keep interpreting it as a personal attack and I'm not giving you anymore leeway for English possibly being your second language.
now im really curious to know who you are
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i shouldn't take you seriously cause you were on Coagulation's dick the entire game, yeah? So my medic request is still reasonable.
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we're all kidding here, goodkarma is still scum. Pretty much, his defense relies on the fact that he's playing like his meta.
.. okay .. Day 1, its massively easy for you to fill in as yourself (somebody said this and i can testify but then, my testimonial isn't reliable.)
It only makes too much sense to me for him to be scum. if he isn't we figure out a lot about the alignments of all the players because right now, it's all over the place. The last 15 pages was just 1 large pressure fest and i believe we should boldly lynch goodkarma. Goodkarma was a hot topic and was taken seriously as a lynch candidate and was seriously defended by a good amount of players.
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On March 20 2013 10:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 10:48 Kenpachi wrote:
we're all kidding here, goodkarma is still scum. Pretty much, his defense relies on the fact that he's playing like his meta.
.. okay .. Day 1, its massively easy for you to fill in as yourself (somebody said this and i can testify but then, my testimonial isn't reliable.)
It only makes too much sense to me for him to be scum. if he isn't we figure out a lot about the alignments of all the players because right now, it's all over the place. The last 15 pages was just 1 large pressure fest and i believe we should boldly lynch goodkarma. Goodkarma was a hot topic and was taken seriously as a lynch candidate and was seriously defended by a good amount of players. You think his play past Day 1 points to him being scum?
I think the meta argument in day 1 is weaksauce.
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On March 20 2013 10:58 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 10:57 Kenpachi wrote:On March 20 2013 10:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 20 2013 10:48 Kenpachi wrote:
we're all kidding here, goodkarma is still scum. Pretty much, his defense relies on the fact that he's playing like his meta.
.. okay .. Day 1, its massively easy for you to fill in as yourself (somebody said this and i can testify but then, my testimonial isn't reliable.)
It only makes too much sense to me for him to be scum. if he isn't we figure out a lot about the alignments of all the players because right now, it's all over the place. The last 15 pages was just 1 large pressure fest and i believe we should boldly lynch goodkarma. Goodkarma was a hot topic and was taken seriously as a lynch candidate and was seriously defended by a good amount of players. You think his play past Day 1 points to him being scum? I think the meta argument in day 1 is weaksauce. Ok, but what about after that? Do you think how he acted after that shows that he's scum, or is your argument based only on the Day 1 stuff?
k so i believe i am wrong. Admittedly, I was pretty much using my intuition to build up momentum for a case but I'm looking at his posts and they are pretty solid :/..
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Plus, he actually makes a darn good amount of sense. It doesn't go right with me though, some of his posts are just bleh and scream scum
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today im busy but I want to bring attention to Vivax later, maybe for tomorrow's lynch. I was never alright with his presence and some of the posts like this
On March 21 2013 09:41 Vivax wrote:
It's so easy to find people scummy who contribute when there are guys playing so obviously anti-town or trolling or invisible that you don't want to lynch them.
"The vigs will settle it" is not a valid attitude. Imagine if you have a whole bunch of such guys but not a vig for each one of them, which will likely be the case in most games. It doesn't look like we have vigs anyway,so it's in our hands.
Let's teach this kind of people how to play the game plz
Unvote
Vote: Coagulation
really just sets me off. He was just talking about how VE is scum and he takes his vote off and puts it on coag. Plus, his motive is because coag is being a pile of shit. Ok, but this doesn't line up with your preference of lynching a surefire scum over 3rd party and coag? You dont really say hes scummy, just hes annoying as shit.
On March 21 2013 08:37 Vivax wrote:
Don't think TestSubject is scum, I like his early contributions. But I agree that the read isn't too reliable cause I have to go with so few, that only means that he has just commited himself to posting more in the future.
Please stop spamming the thread and put huge quotes in spoilers thanks. You doing conversation like that only makes you both look like idiots and doesn't get anyone lynched.
/moderation
While I think VE is 3p by now I think we should try to hit scum today, but w/e
also notice how he talks about Testsubject but says nothing about him. "Oh hey guys, Testsubject.. yeah i dont think hes scummy but dont listen to me i might be wrong"
......
Im going to continue some other time.
yeah im busy so sorry for lack of participation, i realize a lot has been said and i can follow up and ill do it for the next day cycle. i have a surprise exam soon also ><
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if someone wants to look into Vivax for me, go for it. I do not have a solid read on BH and VE cause they are incredibly difficult to read (they sway in persona every game from my experiences). However, VE is a better lynchbet cause he does offer a bit of information i'd say.
unvote: goodkarma
vote: Vivax
ps: zarepath, you dont look all too hot with that post you mentioned me ^^
+ Show Spoiler [i bolded this load of crap by mistake…] +On March 21 2013 02:23 zarepath wrote:
Kenpachi has completely disappeared, which is odd considering this:
On March 19 2013 07:08 Kenpachi wrote:
I'm personally not very comfortable not getting any limelight, good or bad lol
TestSubject has been completely AFK ever since he voted for GreyMist, save for this post, so look for his contributions soon:
On March 20 2013 11:28 TestSubject893 wrote:
Hey guys, sorry I've been really inactive. I had a couple of things come up that have been taking up a lot of my time. I'm like 20 pages behind but am going to catch up right now.
glurio's last post is calling WoS scum, and since the Eye claim, glurio's said nothing. I want to know if he believes WoS's claim and who his scum reads are now.
Cosmicomics' last post looked pretty scummy, and his VE case seemed absurd to me:
On March 20 2013 13:47 cosmicomics wrote:
WaveofShadow, could you tone down on the swearing please? It can turn people off (including townies), which will in turn fuel this bandwagon against you, and the worst kind of wagon is one where it is town pushed.
I think it would be most beneficial to everyone if you could consolidate your posting and present your defense against kita's main case. Or build a strong case of your own on somebody. Because right now it is getting more difficult to read you and you are giving scum / good intentioned townies more fuel.
I'll be looking over your meta, the case and the posts in interest in the meantime.
Mr. Wiggles still has no new reads except for WoS, and he hasn't reacted at all to WoS's blue claim.
RyuSuzaku hasn't done anything since his N1 reads on VE, TranceStorm, and glurio.
Of all of these, I like cosmicomics the most as a lynch. He hasn't done much, and the things he's done lack follow-through -- he made the poor VE case and never spoke of it again, he showed up to tell WoS to quit being a baby after everyone else was already on WoS, and hasn't said anything about WoS again after that. He looks like scum to me.
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ill admit, i got a general gist of it to stay up to topic so briefly read it but didn't go too much into anything.
Oh ya, wiggles was another hot topic for good reason. He's also a tricky dude to understand when he's scum because he very illusive as an experienced mafia player (Hes mafia every game) and I don't get a particularly good vibe of him. I have very limited experience with him being town so I have nothing to compare my vibe to. However, I don't like that in our conversation, all he proposed was a questionnaire so think about it. I generally think a barrage of questions is a shitty attempt to enter into the townie blend so FoS on him too.
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also his questions feigned usefulness. They didnt actually provide anything useful despite their objective tone. Also, he revealed halfheartedness when he just strayed away from the questionnaire after my last response so theres a lack of concern in Wiggles which makes me inclined to believe he is suspicious
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i think it's pretty reasonable. Ill get you tomorrow!
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btw, 1 last disclaimer before i leave. If VE is indeed scum by some odd chance (he can be scum i believe lol) Vivax, you're off the hook. I would never buss VE + Show Spoiler +(WELL TOADESSTERN WOULD ........)
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... wtf
Ace lynch are you guys 4 rela
like
really
what
i wanted to cringe when i read through the last 20 pages honestly. That just was not even fair and more importantly, easy as fuck for mafia to manipulate. Where is the justice in lynching somebody without a fair trial? are you fucking kidding me? We have numerous veterans in this game and this game is for experienced players and you guys go ahead and lynch Ace, not even there to defend himself. Honestly forget Vivax, the dude isn't as blatantly obvious as DP and Wiggles if he were scum because they literally just walked into the vote with 4 hours left and screamed LYNCH GOODKARMA/LYNCH ACE. Not only that, Wiggles wagon was about to catch fire and VE is going to be easy to kill for the next night regardless of his alignment, making it even easier for scum to manipulate our lynch. Fucking unbelievable. Ace was barely in this game too, I thought we might have learned something with that GreYMisT lynch. SERIOUSLY.
Also, VisceraEyes is a clown. BH is town, GK is town, Coagulation is town. Get off their dicks, and actually think for once.
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also Mocsta called me a troll. Tell me you're not joking cause you are despicable if you're saying SHEEP ME as town.
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On March 22 2013 09:42 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 08:32 Kenpachi wrote:
also Mocsta called me a troll. Tell me you're not joking cause you are despicable if you're saying SHEEP ME as town. Go fuck yourself
woah, why so aggressive my lamb?
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hot damn this changes everything
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BH mason'ed me but nothing important was said in it. I don't want to post it cause I did vent my rage at town last night but here it is.
+ Show Spoiler [Logs] +Blazinghand 03-21-2013 08:00 PM ET (US) Oh there it is. He thinks I'm pushing a scum agenda (unspecified) and that setup-wise it's unlikely town has 2 masons. 11 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 07:55 PM ET (US) Well he eventually realized the timestamps weren't adjusted for time zones so he retracted that argument. He said I'm a "wild card" for whether or not I'm scum now. I'll ask him. 10 K 03-21-2013 07:43 PM ET (US) or is it just because of the timestamps 9 K 03-21-2013 07:43 PM ET (US) Vivax thinks you're scum and I'm not entirely sure. can you fill me in on his reasons? 8 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 07:33 PM ET (US) This only lasts until daybreak  So i had vivax down as scum until he made this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18089009Basically he thought my mason logs were faked due to timestamps, and he called me out on it. He hadn't corrected for timezones so it looked like I posted a huge post in the QT at the same time as I did in the thread (within like a minute). I don't think scum would be trying to prove my logs were fake via timestamp since scum would know (or at least have no reason to doubt) my mason claim. Aside from that, he's played pretty scummy, but pushing a line of inquiry like that really relies on _believing_ your target is lying. It would have been a waste of time if he was scum, and he'd know that. GK, yeah not scum. Ace lynch was pretty shit but honestly it's just kicking a dead horse at this point. I don't even know what VE is doing any more, but this isn't the town VE I'm used to. I'll be pushing him more and voting him if I'm alive tomorrow. 7 K 03-21-2013 07:19 PM ET (US) Goodkarma, hes not scum. I believe Vivax could be mafia still but i am not sure at all 6 K 03-21-2013 07:18 PM ET (US) Mocsta is also a chaotic little fellow and he called me a troll so i dont like him by default 5 K 03-21-2013 07:18 PM ET (US) Reading the thread made me forget that you mentioned coag. i dont care! He's not interesting 4 K 03-21-2013 07:17 PM ET (US) how long does this mason last? If its only for the night cycle, poor choice cause I have an exam tomorrow lol. im annoyed how ace got lynched for no good reason. honestly, im really mad at this town. i think this town is a big pile of dogshit. im not allowed to say that in the thread though but seriously, ACE LYNCH? also, why were people taking DP seriously for the gk lynch? why didnt they counterattack DP? He's obviously fucking scum. So is Wiggles. Forget Vivax, these guys make it so obvious that theyre scum. Like, wtf? Also, i dont understand the craze about sciberbia. He has a good rep but honestly, i don't get good vibes from him at all. Although VE is a nulltell, i think a lynch on him would be much more crucial than some random lynch on Ace. He has barely played so far and he gets lynched without even being able to defend himself. WHERE IS THE LOGIC IN THIS TOWN??? 3 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 06:59 PM ET (US) Coag is almost certainly town. He's doing his best to pry apart bad arguments and pressure people for answers, even in his coag-ey way. 2 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 04:12 PM ET (US) so what's up you around or are we just being afk 1 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 01:20 PM ET (US) hello my gentle friend
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On March 23 2013 00:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 00:12 zarepath wrote:On March 22 2013 08:29 Kenpachi wrote:
... wtf
Ace lynch are you guys 4 rela
like
really
what
i wanted to cringe when i read through the last 20 pages honestly. That just was not even fair and more importantly, easy as fuck for mafia to manipulate. Where is the justice in lynching somebody without a fair trial? are you fucking kidding me? We have numerous veterans in this game and this game is for experienced players and you guys go ahead and lynch Ace, not even there to defend himself. Honestly forget Vivax, the dude isn't as blatantly obvious as DP and Wiggles if he were scum because they literally just walked into the vote with 4 hours left and screamed LYNCH GOODKARMA/LYNCH ACE. Not only that, Wiggles wagon was about to catch fire and VE is going to be easy to kill for the next night regardless of his alignment, making it even easier for scum to manipulate our lynch. Fucking unbelievable. Ace was barely in this game too, I thought we might have learned something with that GreYMisT lynch. SERIOUSLY.
Also, VisceraEyes is a clown. BH is town, GK is town, Coagulation is town. Get off their dicks, and actually think for once. This what you are looking for WoS? Yup that's it. I haven't looked into Kenpachi so much because he's basically useless like so many others here. It's just a shame there are only 4 scum left because I could easily see there being 6-7 based on activity and content alone. Town just has no desire to step it up at all and it's going to cost us this game. Like wtf, his contribution is chastising everyone who actually has the balls to participate in the game and then he fucks off again? I definitely understand why Mocsta ragequit the game. His scumreads are GK and then Vivax. Looks real great on him.
You and I both share the same sentiment when you say "Town just has no desire to step it up at all"
I find it problematic that BH was so hard to identify as mafia and that there are so many people that do not give off town vibes yeah?
Fight me btw, my scumreads are DP and Wiggles and i was busy last night as i have said before.
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I think i should organize myself for once. None of these should be surprising, they're pretty agreeable.
Town
testsubject###
Teepeeshooter
waveofshadow
coagulation
Mafia
Wiggles
DarthPunk
zarepath (intuitive)
My lynch vote for today is Mr. Wiggles. Why? simple, he feigned usefulness here and there and here some more. I posted about his chainlink of questions and in general, he is playing like mafioso wiggles. Is there anything else for me to say WAVEOFSHADOW?
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omfg LOL i put Town in red
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I fell asleep on you guys lol. I merely thought DarthPunk was scummy for his push on Goodkarma when goodkarma is one of the least scummiest players in the game at that point tbh. But since BH flipped scum and VE is likely town so I'm inclined to retract my claim off of him.
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BH took the activity with him to the grave. So Wiggles makes 2 very good cases before he died, one that revitalized my suspicion on DarthPunk and another on kitaman that i happen to agree with, however, kitaman has been bringing up a lot of excuses to the table so I'm not very sure if he's just halfheartedly in the game but I had the same suspicion as wiggles in the beginning of the game with that greymist lynch. I'm still iffy on DarthPunk, just an FoS on that surprise wagon on GK and switch to Ace.
I haven't looked at cosmicomics at all this game lol
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hes a case of wifom where i'd take the wine. Say, lets look at it this way. Those that voted VE could have had a freepass to look town so BH attacks him for being 3rd party. EASY way for mafia to gain credibility for doing what is best for town. Now, I certainly did not expect a BH hit, and mafia probably did not either so cosmicomics is a fair bet for mafioso. So look at the VE wagon again.
also btw zarepath, you have been looking irresolute the entire game with posts like these
On March 24 2013 21:12 zarepath wrote:I know I was voting for cosmicomics, but after reading Wiggles' filter I'd thought he wouldn't be that bad of a lynch, either. Honestly, that guy needs to flip soon. It seems as though nobody is really willing to talk about him. Does anybody have a town read on him, and why?
grats, you were also one of 3 to vote Wiggles on Day 2..
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Oh ya about VE's wagon, think about it this way. Mafia knows Ace was town. Mafia doesn't know if VE was 3rd party or not.
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On March 25 2013 05:20 cosmicomics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2013 01:29 Kenpachi wrote:hes a case of wifom where i'd take the wine. Say, lets look at it this way. Those that voted VE could have had a freepass to look town so BH attacks him for being 3rd party. EASY way for mafia to gain credibility for doing what is best for town. Now, I certainly did not expect a BH hit, and mafia probably did not either so cosmicomics is a fair bet for mafioso. So look at the VE wagon again. also btw zarepath, you have been looking irresolute the entire game with posts like these On March 24 2013 21:12 zarepath wrote:I know I was voting for cosmicomics, but after reading Wiggles' filter I'd thought he wouldn't be that bad of a lynch, either. Honestly, that guy needs to flip soon. It seems as though nobody is really willing to talk about him. Does anybody have a town read on him, and why? grats, you were also one of 3 to vote Wiggles on Day 2.. I never considered VisceraEyes 3rd party, stop lying. Additionally, the 3 of 4 main wagons on day 2 were town. Ace (8), goodkarma (3) and Mr. Wiggles (3) and VisceraEyes (6). There's no logical reason why anyone should expect scum to be especially on the VisceraEyes' wagon. There's more sense that scum would want Ace dead because they know they can push VisceraEyes later because it is an "EASY way for mafia to gain credibility", and so by your reasoning people should be looking at Ace's wagon. You are trying to get me lynched without actually calling me scum so that if I do you don't take any responsibility and you can blame the poor sap who happened to bite.
No I don't even know who you are. I did realize that but I assumed you were being dumb
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ok guys, are activity is fucking terrible, i hope it isn't like this for the next cycles. I find myself agreeing with what cosmicomics says in the last page and i want to look at those pressuring him for no solid reason. Namely Zarepath who is due lynch. Has anyone realized that this guy doesn't stick to almost anything he says?
On March 21 2013 02:23 zarepath wrote:Kenpachi has completely disappeared, which is odd considering this:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 07:08 Kenpachi wrote:
I'm personally not very comfortable not getting any limelight, good or bad lol
K, this is true what i said. I tend to be much stronger at paying attention to myself, and to those that pay attention to me. That's my comfort zone so i made a blatant post to get attention to pull people into my zone.
TestSubject has been completely AFK ever since he voted for GreyMist, save for this post, so look for his contributions soon: Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 11:28 TestSubject893 wrote:
Hey guys, sorry I've been really inactive. I had a couple of things come up that have been taking up a lot of my time. I'm like 20 pages behind but am going to catch up right now. Okay. So what?
glurio's last post is calling WoS scum, and since the Eye claim, glurio's said nothing. I want to know if he believes WoS's claim and who his scum reads are now. Cosmicomics' last post looked pretty scummy, and his VE case seemed absurd to me: Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 13:47 cosmicomics wrote:
WaveofShadow, could you tone down on the swearing please? It can turn people off (including townies), which will in turn fuel this bandwagon against you, and the worst kind of wagon is one where it is town pushed.
I think it would be most beneficial to everyone if you could consolidate your posting and present your defense against kita's main case. Or build a strong case of your own on somebody. Because right now it is getting more difficult to read you and you are giving scum / good intentioned townies more fuel.
I'll be looking over your meta, the case and the posts in interest in the meantime. Mr. Wiggles still has no new reads except for WoS, and he hasn't reacted at all to WoS's blue claim. RyuSuzaku hasn't done anything since his N1 reads on VE, TranceStorm, and glurio. Of all of these, I like cosmicomics the most as a lynch. He hasn't done much, and the things he's done lack follow-through -- he made the poor VE case and never spoke of it again, he showed up to tell WoS to quit being a baby after everyone else was already on WoS, and hasn't said anything about WoS again after that. He looks like scum to me.
So this post, is pretty terrible yeah? He brings things up, and does not do anything with them. He found it strange i disappeared.. but as far as I'm concerned, I've not changed in terms of activity. He does not pressure me at all for it, now that I have no reason to be gone. His small attack on testsubject, is pretty meaningless cause he doesn't back it up at all with anything.
Also, some wishwashiness.
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EBWOP: our activity and my grammar are fucking terrible
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oh they masoned... well, i reckon i should take notes as the game goes on lol.
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On March 25 2013 10:29 cosmicomics wrote:
Kenpachi, what's your take on the zarepath & Wade Fell mason?
Also, could I get your thoughts on glurio?
glurio (also did not pay attention to him ...) could very well be scum if we consider that he's conflicting in reads with a lot of players in the game. I'm leaning scum on him definitely cause he defends BH and attacks people that are at this point town.
A lot of people think you're scum and the only scummy thing I see is defending BH but other than that, everything else you say seems to be making sense but then again, BH also made sense for a while :/
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is it just me or is it lylo assuming theres 4 mafia left as WoS has said
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cosmicomics is still a pile of WIFOM. I don't see why mafia would kill VE and put cc in such a spotlight, but that's why it is WIFOM. I don't like how layabout hasn't actually contributed for the majority of the game if you think about it. This is honestly, the most confusion a town could possibly have.
WaveofShadow I think is town. If he's mafia, he deserves some award.
This game is so convoluted that I'm even considering that Vivax killed BH and Testsubject as mafia claimed the bullet when shit went down.
vote: layabout
yolovote
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On March 29 2013 21:45 zarepath wrote:Guys, it's got to be Kenpachi: Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 00:12 zarepath wrote:SCUMkenpachi Disproportionate response to BH pushing a lynch (ie, false distancing from other scum): On March 17 2013 09:15 Kenpachi wrote:
K BH. you know as well as i do that we dont deviate and form 2 wagons.
fuck off? Buddying: On March 17 2013 07:54 Kenpachi wrote:
Thats not all, You're critique of geript SUCKS. ITS TERRIBLE. People including DoYouHas and myself will wonder, what the fuck are you talking about? He does not look scum at all. Sheeps BH after fake distancing, two targets are both town flips: On March 17 2013 09:35 Kenpachi wrote:
ok your bandwagon is pretty legit. I'd call for a lynch on Peashooter or goodkarma and a vig shot the next night.
No questions that is done. Crappy reason to vote for GM: On March 18 2013 12:07 Kenpachi wrote:
So i guess the goodkarma wagon is no more. In that case, i will vote for Greymist instead of zarepeth. Responds with: On March 19 2013 07:08 Kenpachi wrote:
I'm personally not very comfortable not getting any limelight, good or bad lol
ill bear with it though, I'd like to claim a medic protect on me, just cause. I have a feeling mafia will gun me down first night.
GreYMisT not being scum is disappointing but it is honestly not surprising, though im having a hard time piecing information on his wagon together. Its safe to assume we will find majority of mafia, maybe even all of them, in the bunch that voted him because 1. easy as hell to sheep, 2. he is a forum veteran. 12 people voted for him, including me
RyuSuzaku, goodkarma, Vivax, geript, ThePeashooter, cosmicomics, Wade Fell, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, zarepath, kitaman27, TestSubject893, WaveofShadow
Honestly, a hard group to figure out.
I'd like to assume that me and Ryu are not mafia lol.
kitaman is just not contributing as much as we'd like to did we not realize? He's as invisible as I am. So he switches to a vote where he's not surprised he flipped town? Also note that he's not very comfortable NOT getting the limelight, and yet he's completely disappeared. Also note that this post is full of crap -- "mafia MUST be in here, but it's a hard group to figure out; btw, neither me or Ryu are mafia. But I'm having a hard time piecing information together. ALSO, I want to claim a medic protect because I am super town and scum know it." No drive to figure anything out, just to contribute without actually contributing anything. There is more energy spent trying to look like town, while also an awareness of HOW he looks TO town -- note the self-effacing "he's as invisible as I am." Why is he letting us all know how aware he is of his participation? Is it a proactive defense? On March 20 2013 10:48 Kenpachi wrote:
we're all kidding here, goodkarma is still scum. Pretty much, his defense relies on the fact that he's playing like his meta.
.. okay .. Day 1, its massively easy for you to fill in as yourself (somebody said this and i can testify but then, my testimonial isn't reliable.)
It only makes too much sense to me for him to be scum. if he isn't we figure out a lot about the alignments of all the players because right now, it's all over the place. The last 15 pages was just 1 large pressure fest and i believe we should boldly lynch goodkarma. Goodkarma was a hot topic and was taken seriously as a lynch candidate and was seriously defended by a good amount of players. His case on goodkarma, who flipped blue, is based entirely on the fact that he was a hot topic and that many players talked about him. There is literally no comment on GK's actual content, just on the fact that he was talked about by the town. It's like a sheep trying to re-start the herd so he can have something to follow again. And what's with this "boldly" crap? How about "intelligently" or "carefully" or "rationally?" It's a bad argument without substance trying to get people to lynch emotionally. On March 21 2013 10:01 Kenpachi wrote:if someone wants to look into Vivax for me, go for it. I do not have a solid read on BH and VE cause they are incredibly difficult to read (they sway in persona every game from my experiences). However, VE is a better lynchbet cause he does offer a bit of information i'd say. unvote: goodkarma
vote: Vivaxps: zarepath, you dont look all too hot with that post you mentioned me ^^ + Show Spoiler [i bolded this load of crap by mistake…] +On March 21 2013 02:23 zarepath wrote:
Kenpachi has completely disappeared, which is odd considering this:
On March 19 2013 07:08 Kenpachi wrote:
I'm personally not very comfortable not getting any limelight, good or bad lol
TestSubject has been completely AFK ever since he voted for GreyMist, save for this post, so look for his contributions soon:
On March 20 2013 11:28 TestSubject893 wrote:
Hey guys, sorry I've been really inactive. I had a couple of things come up that have been taking up a lot of my time. I'm like 20 pages behind but am going to catch up right now.
glurio's last post is calling WoS scum, and since the Eye claim, glurio's said nothing. I want to know if he believes WoS's claim and who his scum reads are now.
Cosmicomics' last post looked pretty scummy, and his VE case seemed absurd to me:
On March 20 2013 13:47 cosmicomics wrote:
WaveofShadow, could you tone down on the swearing please? It can turn people off (including townies), which will in turn fuel this bandwagon against you, and the worst kind of wagon is one where it is town pushed.
I think it would be most beneficial to everyone if you could consolidate your posting and present your defense against kita's main case. Or build a strong case of your own on somebody. Because right now it is getting more difficult to read you and you are giving scum / good intentioned townies more fuel.
I'll be looking over your meta, the case and the posts in interest in the meantime.
Mr. Wiggles still has no new reads except for WoS, and he hasn't reacted at all to WoS's blue claim.
RyuSuzaku hasn't done anything since his N1 reads on VE, TranceStorm, and glurio.
Of all of these, I like cosmicomics the most as a lynch. He hasn't done much, and the things he's done lack follow-through -- he made the poor VE case and never spoke of it again, he showed up to tell WoS to quit being a baby after everyone else was already on WoS, and hasn't said anything about WoS again after that. He looks like scum to me.
I am voting Vivax but I want other people to check into his filter FOR me? What the heck is this? On March 21 2013 10:07 Kenpachi wrote:
ill admit, i got a general gist of it to stay up to topic so briefly read it but didn't go too much into anything.
Oh ya, wiggles was another hot topic for good reason. He's also a tricky dude to understand when he's scum because he very illusive as an experienced mafia player (Hes mafia every game) and I don't get a particularly good vibe of him. I have very limited experience with him being town so I have nothing to compare my vibe to. However, I don't like that in our conversation, all he proposed was a questionnaire so think about it. I generally think a barrage of questions is a shitty attempt to enter into the townie blend so FoS on him too. "wiggles was another hot topic for good reason." Why is he framing his reads in terms of how popular it was to talk about them? Also "Hes mafia every game." Isn't that just calling him mafia? Because the rest of this post doesn't look like he's calling him mafia, just warning town to pay attention to him. On March 21 2013 10:12 Kenpachi wrote:
also his questions feigned usefulness. They didnt actually provide anything useful despite their objective tone. Also, he revealed halfheartedness when he just strayed away from the questionnaire after my last response so theres a lack of concern in Wiggles which makes me inclined to believe he is suspicious "lack of concern in Wiggles which makes me inclined to believe he is suspicious" that is a long train of mitigating phrases, leading to what is literally almost not a read at all. On March 22 2013 08:29 Kenpachi wrote:
... wtf
Ace lynch are you guys 4 rela
like
really
what
i wanted to cringe when i read through the last 20 pages honestly. That just was not even fair and more importantly, easy as fuck for mafia to manipulate. Where is the justice in lynching somebody without a fair trial? are you fucking kidding me? We have numerous veterans in this game and this game is for experienced players and you guys go ahead and lynch Ace, not even there to defend himself. Honestly forget Vivax, the dude isn't as blatantly obvious as DP and Wiggles if he were scum because they literally just walked into the vote with 4 hours left and screamed LYNCH GOODKARMA/LYNCH ACE. Not only that, Wiggles wagon was about to catch fire and VE is going to be easy to kill for the next night regardless of his alignment, making it even easier for scum to manipulate our lynch. Fucking unbelievable. Ace was barely in this game too, I thought we might have learned something with that GreYMisT lynch. SERIOUSLY.
Also, VisceraEyes is a clown. BH is town, GK is town, Coagulation is town. Get off their dicks, and actually think for once. This is so fake. He called BH town and GK town (after pushing for a "bold" lynch of GK), but the majority of this post is simply trying to look pro-town WAY after the Ace lynch was old news. Fake outrage. The timing of this post is so off for what its content actually is, which is outrage at the town, when the town is already moving onto something else at this point. On March 23 2013 05:44 Kenpachi wrote:BH mason'ed me but nothing important was said in it. I don't want to post it cause I did vent my rage at town last night but here it is. + Show Spoiler [Logs] +Blazinghand 03-21-2013 08:00 PM ET (US) Oh there it is. He thinks I'm pushing a scum agenda (unspecified) and that setup-wise it's unlikely town has 2 masons. 11 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 07:55 PM ET (US) Well he eventually realized the timestamps weren't adjusted for time zones so he retracted that argument. He said I'm a "wild card" for whether or not I'm scum now. I'll ask him. 10 K 03-21-2013 07:43 PM ET (US) or is it just because of the timestamps 9 K 03-21-2013 07:43 PM ET (US) Vivax thinks you're scum and I'm not entirely sure. can you fill me in on his reasons? 8 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 07:33 PM ET (US) This only lasts until daybreak So i had vivax down as scum until he made this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18089009Basically he thought my mason logs were faked due to timestamps, and he called me out on it. He hadn't corrected for timezones so it looked like I posted a huge post in the QT at the same time as I did in the thread (within like a minute). I don't think scum would be trying to prove my logs were fake via timestamp since scum would know (or at least have no reason to doubt) my mason claim. Aside from that, he's played pretty scummy, but pushing a line of inquiry like that really relies on _believing_ your target is lying. It would have been a waste of time if he was scum, and he'd know that. GK, yeah not scum. Ace lynch was pretty shit but honestly it's just kicking a dead horse at this point. I don't even know what VE is doing any more, but this isn't the town VE I'm used to. I'll be pushing him more and voting him if I'm alive tomorrow. 7 K 03-21-2013 07:19 PM ET (US) Goodkarma, hes not scum. I believe Vivax could be mafia still but i am not sure at all 6 K 03-21-2013 07:18 PM ET (US) Mocsta is also a chaotic little fellow and he called me a troll so i dont like him by default 5 K 03-21-2013 07:18 PM ET (US) Reading the thread made me forget that you mentioned coag. i dont care! He's not interesting 4 K 03-21-2013 07:17 PM ET (US) how long does this mason last? If its only for the night cycle, poor choice cause I have an exam tomorrow lol. im annoyed how ace got lynched for no good reason. honestly, im really mad at this town. i think this town is a big pile of dogshit. im not allowed to say that in the thread though but seriously, ACE LYNCH? also, why were people taking DP seriously for the gk lynch? why didnt they counterattack DP? He's obviously fucking scum. So is Wiggles. Forget Vivax, these guys make it so obvious that theyre scum. Like, wtf? Also, i dont understand the craze about sciberbia. He has a good rep but honestly, i don't get good vibes from him at all. Although VE is a nulltell, i think a lynch on him would be much more crucial than some random lynch on Ace. He has barely played so far and he gets lynched without even being able to defend himself. WHERE IS THE LOGIC IN THIS TOWN??? 3 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 06:59 PM ET (US) Coag is almost certainly town. He's doing his best to pry apart bad arguments and pressure people for answers, even in his coag-ey way. 2 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 04:12 PM ET (US) so what's up you around or are we just being afk 1 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 01:20 PM ET (US) hello my gentle friend This log is full of nothing but them pretty much saying to each other exactly what they say in the thread. Note that they don't ask each other any questions or interact at all. It strikes me as being very staged. On March 23 2013 06:06 Kenpachi wrote:
I think i should organize myself for once. None of these should be surprising, they're pretty agreeable.
Town
testsubject###
Teepeeshooter
waveofshadow
coagulation
Mafia
Wiggles
DarthPunk
zarepath (intuitive)
My lynch vote for today is Mr. Wiggles. Why? simple, he feigned usefulness here and there and here some more. I posted about his chainlink of questions and in general, he is playing like mafioso wiggles. Is there anything else for me to say WAVEOFSHADOW? Notice how he put "Town" in red. Subconscious slip. Also, notice how all of his mafia are town (I have the benefit of knowing this for 100 percent, but hopefully I am an easy enough town read at this point for the rest of you for this to be as substantial a point from your perspective). On March 23 2013 22:26 Kenpachi wrote:
I fell asleep on you guys lol. I merely thought DarthPunk was scummy for his push on Goodkarma when goodkarma is one of the least scummiest players in the game at that point tbh. But since BH flipped scum and VE is likely town so I'm inclined to retract my claim off of him. Wasn't Kenpachi the one trying to boldly lynch GK? The rest of his filter is complaining about the town being so awful, and him mentioning how awful he is (I haven't read his filter at all lol, I was way off on that guy lol, etc.). This guy looks SCUM.
nice. you isolated the piece of art for me. I really do like that you tunneled the shit out of all my posts to make them look scummy. Also, you seriously just spearheaded into all my post with no context whatsoever.
im done.
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On March 29 2013 21:45 zarepath wrote:Guys, it's got to be Kenpachi: Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 00:12 zarepath wrote:SCUMkenpachi Disproportionate response to BH pushing a lynch (ie, false distancing from other scum): On March 17 2013 09:15 Kenpachi wrote:
K BH. you know as well as i do that we dont deviate and form 2 wagons.
fuck off? LOL. I just wanted to be able to use the vote count as a weapon but if that is disproportionate to you, then so be it. At that point, the wagon was 2-3 people yeah? so seriously, fuck off BH.Buddying: On March 17 2013 07:54 Kenpachi wrote:
Thats not all, You're critique of geript SUCKS. ITS TERRIBLE. People including DoYouHas and myself will wonder, what the fuck are you talking about? He does not look scum at all. Sheeps BH after fake distancing, two targets are both town flips: Damn it really took forever for somebody to nitpick this. It's unfortunate that I can't use this post anymoreOn March 17 2013 09:35 Kenpachi wrote:
ok your bandwagon is pretty legit. I'd call for a lynch on Peashooter or goodkarma and a vig shot the next night.
No questions that is done. Crappy reason to vote for GM: On March 18 2013 12:07 Kenpachi wrote:
So i guess the goodkarma wagon is no more. In that case, i will vote for Greymist instead of zarepeth. Responds with: On March 19 2013 07:08 Kenpachi wrote:
I'm personally not very comfortable not getting any limelight, good or bad lol
ill bear with it though, I'd like to claim a medic protect on me, just cause. I have a feeling mafia will gun me down first night.
GreYMisT not being scum is disappointing but it is honestly not surprising, though im having a hard time piecing information on his wagon together. Its safe to assume we will find majority of mafia, maybe even all of them, in the bunch that voted him because 1. easy as hell to sheep, 2. he is a forum veteran. 12 people voted for him, including me
RyuSuzaku, goodkarma, Vivax, geript, ThePeashooter, cosmicomics, Wade Fell, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, zarepath, kitaman27, TestSubject893, WaveofShadow
Honestly, a hard group to figure out.
I'd like to assume that me and Ryu are not mafia lol.
kitaman is just not contributing as much as we'd like to did we not realize? He's as invisible as I am. So he switches to a vote where he's not surprised he flipped town? Also note that he's not very comfortable NOT getting the limelight, and yet he's completely disappeared. Also note that this post is full of crap -- "mafia MUST be in here, but it's a hard group to figure out; btw, neither me or Ryu are mafia. But I'm having a hard time piecing information together. ALSO, I want to claim a medic protect because I am super town and scum know it." No drive to figure anything out, just to contribute without actually contributing anything. There is more energy spent trying to look like town, while also an awareness of HOW he looks TO town -- note the self-effacing "he's as invisible as I am." Why is he letting us all know how aware he is of his participation? Is it a proactive defense? K. reason why I was not surprised is because Greymist played exactly like I do, until he just accepted his death at least. I also like to post bullshit just to see people's responses. I was invisible and i let it known and tried to garner attentionOn March 20 2013 10:48 Kenpachi wrote:
we're all kidding here, goodkarma is still scum. Pretty much, his defense relies on the fact that he's playing like his meta.
.. okay .. Day 1, its massively easy for you to fill in as yourself (somebody said this and i can testify but then, my testimonial isn't reliable.)
It only makes too much sense to me for him to be scum. if he isn't we figure out a lot about the alignments of all the players because right now, it's all over the place. The last 15 pages was just 1 large pressure fest and i believe we should boldly lynch goodkarma. Goodkarma was a hot topic and was taken seriously as a lynch candidate and was seriously defended by a good amount of players. His case on goodkarma, who flipped blue, is based entirely on the fact that he was a hot topic and that many players talked about him. There is literally no comment on GK's actual content, just on the fact that he was talked about by the town. It's like a sheep trying to re-start the herd so he can have something to follow again. And what's with this "boldly" crap? How about "intelligently" or "carefully" or "rationally?" It's a bad argument without substance trying to get people to lynch emotionally. I'm not very good at filter reading if you haven't realized by now.On March 21 2013 10:01 Kenpachi wrote:if someone wants to look into Vivax for me, go for it. I do not have a solid read on BH and VE cause they are incredibly difficult to read (they sway in persona every game from my experiences). However, VE is a better lynchbet cause he does offer a bit of information i'd say. unvote: goodkarma
vote: Vivaxps: zarepath, you dont look all too hot with that post you mentioned me ^^ + Show Spoiler [i bolded this load of crap by mistake…] +On March 21 2013 02:23 zarepath wrote:
Kenpachi has completely disappeared, which is odd considering this:
On March 19 2013 07:08 Kenpachi wrote:
I'm personally not very comfortable not getting any limelight, good or bad lol
TestSubject has been completely AFK ever since he voted for GreyMist, save for this post, so look for his contributions soon:
On March 20 2013 11:28 TestSubject893 wrote:
Hey guys, sorry I've been really inactive. I had a couple of things come up that have been taking up a lot of my time. I'm like 20 pages behind but am going to catch up right now.
glurio's last post is calling WoS scum, and since the Eye claim, glurio's said nothing. I want to know if he believes WoS's claim and who his scum reads are now.
Cosmicomics' last post looked pretty scummy, and his VE case seemed absurd to me:
On March 20 2013 13:47 cosmicomics wrote:
WaveofShadow, could you tone down on the swearing please? It can turn people off (including townies), which will in turn fuel this bandwagon against you, and the worst kind of wagon is one where it is town pushed.
I think it would be most beneficial to everyone if you could consolidate your posting and present your defense against kita's main case. Or build a strong case of your own on somebody. Because right now it is getting more difficult to read you and you are giving scum / good intentioned townies more fuel.
I'll be looking over your meta, the case and the posts in interest in the meantime.
Mr. Wiggles still has no new reads except for WoS, and he hasn't reacted at all to WoS's blue claim.
RyuSuzaku hasn't done anything since his N1 reads on VE, TranceStorm, and glurio.
Of all of these, I like cosmicomics the most as a lynch. He hasn't done much, and the things he's done lack follow-through -- he made the poor VE case and never spoke of it again, he showed up to tell WoS to quit being a baby after everyone else was already on WoS, and hasn't said anything about WoS again after that. He looks like scum to me.
I am voting Vivax but I want other people to check into his filter FOR me? What the heck is this? On March 21 2013 10:07 Kenpachi wrote:
ill admit, i got a general gist of it to stay up to topic so briefly read it but didn't go too much into anything.
Oh ya, wiggles was another hot topic for good reason. He's also a tricky dude to understand when he's scum because he very illusive as an experienced mafia player (Hes mafia every game) and I don't get a particularly good vibe of him. I have very limited experience with him being town so I have nothing to compare my vibe to. However, I don't like that in our conversation, all he proposed was a questionnaire so think about it. I generally think a barrage of questions is a shitty attempt to enter into the townie blend so FoS on him too. "wiggles was another hot topic for good reason." Why is he framing his reads in terms of how popular it was to talk about them? Also "Hes mafia every game." Isn't that just calling him mafia? Because the rest of this post doesn't look like he's calling him mafia, just warning town to pay attention to him. rofl I don't know what you're saying here.On March 21 2013 10:12 Kenpachi wrote:
also his questions feigned usefulness. They didnt actually provide anything useful despite their objective tone. Also, he revealed halfheartedness when he just strayed away from the questionnaire after my last response so theres a lack of concern in Wiggles which makes me inclined to believe he is suspicious "lack of concern in Wiggles which makes me inclined to believe he is suspicious" that is a long train of mitigating phrases, leading to what is literally almost not a read at all. On March 22 2013 08:29 Kenpachi wrote:
... wtf
Ace lynch are you guys 4 rela
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i wanted to cringe when i read through the last 20 pages honestly. That just was not even fair and more importantly, easy as fuck for mafia to manipulate. Where is the justice in lynching somebody without a fair trial? are you fucking kidding me? We have numerous veterans in this game and this game is for experienced players and you guys go ahead and lynch Ace, not even there to defend himself. Honestly forget Vivax, the dude isn't as blatantly obvious as DP and Wiggles if he were scum because they literally just walked into the vote with 4 hours left and screamed LYNCH GOODKARMA/LYNCH ACE. Not only that, Wiggles wagon was about to catch fire and VE is going to be easy to kill for the next night regardless of his alignment, making it even easier for scum to manipulate our lynch. Fucking unbelievable. Ace was barely in this game too, I thought we might have learned something with that GreYMisT lynch. SERIOUSLY.
Also, VisceraEyes is a clown. BH is town, GK is town, Coagulation is town. Get off their dicks, and actually think for once. This is so fake. He called BH town and GK town (after pushing for a "bold" lynch of GK), but the majority of this post is simply trying to look pro-town WAY after the Ace lynch was old news. Fake outrage. The timing of this post is so off for what its content actually is, which is outrage at the town, when the town is already moving onto something else at this point. You think it's fake? I was gone for the Ace lynch you derp. Lack of content right here, I only was able to post at an odd time.On March 23 2013 05:44 Kenpachi wrote:BH mason'ed me but nothing important was said in it. I don't want to post it cause I did vent my rage at town last night but here it is. + Show Spoiler [Logs] +Blazinghand 03-21-2013 08:00 PM ET (US) Oh there it is. He thinks I'm pushing a scum agenda (unspecified) and that setup-wise it's unlikely town has 2 masons. 11 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 07:55 PM ET (US) Well he eventually realized the timestamps weren't adjusted for time zones so he retracted that argument. He said I'm a "wild card" for whether or not I'm scum now. I'll ask him. 10 K 03-21-2013 07:43 PM ET (US) or is it just because of the timestamps 9 K 03-21-2013 07:43 PM ET (US) Vivax thinks you're scum and I'm not entirely sure. can you fill me in on his reasons? 8 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 07:33 PM ET (US) This only lasts until daybreak So i had vivax down as scum until he made this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18089009Basically he thought my mason logs were faked due to timestamps, and he called me out on it. He hadn't corrected for timezones so it looked like I posted a huge post in the QT at the same time as I did in the thread (within like a minute). I don't think scum would be trying to prove my logs were fake via timestamp since scum would know (or at least have no reason to doubt) my mason claim. Aside from that, he's played pretty scummy, but pushing a line of inquiry like that really relies on _believing_ your target is lying. It would have been a waste of time if he was scum, and he'd know that. GK, yeah not scum. Ace lynch was pretty shit but honestly it's just kicking a dead horse at this point. I don't even know what VE is doing any more, but this isn't the town VE I'm used to. I'll be pushing him more and voting him if I'm alive tomorrow. 7 K 03-21-2013 07:19 PM ET (US) Goodkarma, hes not scum. I believe Vivax could be mafia still but i am not sure at all 6 K 03-21-2013 07:18 PM ET (US) Mocsta is also a chaotic little fellow and he called me a troll so i dont like him by default 5 K 03-21-2013 07:18 PM ET (US) Reading the thread made me forget that you mentioned coag. i dont care! He's not interesting 4 K 03-21-2013 07:17 PM ET (US) how long does this mason last? If its only for the night cycle, poor choice cause I have an exam tomorrow lol. im annoyed how ace got lynched for no good reason. honestly, im really mad at this town. i think this town is a big pile of dogshit. im not allowed to say that in the thread though but seriously, ACE LYNCH? also, why were people taking DP seriously for the gk lynch? why didnt they counterattack DP? He's obviously fucking scum. So is Wiggles. Forget Vivax, these guys make it so obvious that theyre scum. Like, wtf? Also, i dont understand the craze about sciberbia. He has a good rep but honestly, i don't get good vibes from him at all. Although VE is a nulltell, i think a lynch on him would be much more crucial than some random lynch on Ace. He has barely played so far and he gets lynched without even being able to defend himself. WHERE IS THE LOGIC IN THIS TOWN??? 3 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 06:59 PM ET (US) Coag is almost certainly town. He's doing his best to pry apart bad arguments and pressure people for answers, even in his coag-ey way. 2 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 04:12 PM ET (US) so what's up you around or are we just being afk 1 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 01:20 PM ET (US) hello my gentle friend This log is full of nothing but them pretty much saying to each other exactly what they say in the thread. Note that they don't ask each other any questions or interact at all. It strikes me as being very staged. You strike me as being full of shit if you think this is staged. BH asked a bunch of questions, I felt it was completely unnecessary to ask questions back at the time. Plus, nobody in the world has ever talked about my impulsive posting so BH wouldn't even know how to forge a conversation with me.On March 23 2013 06:06 Kenpachi wrote:
I think i should organize myself for once. None of these should be surprising, they're pretty agreeable.
Town
testsubject###
Teepeeshooter
waveofshadow
coagulation
Mafia
Wiggles
DarthPunk
zarepath (intuitive)
My lynch vote for today is Mr. Wiggles. Why? simple, he feigned usefulness here and there and here some more. I posted about his chainlink of questions and in general, he is playing like mafioso wiggles. Is there anything else for me to say WAVEOFSHADOW? Notice how he put "Town" in red. Subconscious slip. Also, notice how all of his mafia are town (I have the benefit of knowing this for 100 percent, but hopefully I am an easy enough town read at this point for the rest of you for this to be as substantial a point from your perspective). omg you got me. Subconscious slip. I didn't laugh so hard in a mafia game in such a long timeOn March 23 2013 22:26 Kenpachi wrote:
I fell asleep on you guys lol. I merely thought DarthPunk was scummy for his push on Goodkarma when goodkarma is one of the least scummiest players in the game at that point tbh. But since BH flipped scum and VE is likely town so I'm inclined to retract my claim off of him. Wasn't Kenpachi the one trying to boldly lynch GK? wow lolThe rest of his filter is complaining about the town being so awful, and him mentioning how awful he is (I haven't read his filter at all lol, I was way off on that guy lol, etc.). This guy looks SCUM.
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nou. I'm done with him i ment
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lol I'm not surprised because this town is literally in the shitters. I'm fairly confident you and Zarepath aren't mafia but I have no idea how you're certain about anyone else at this point.
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Also if I'm not on the town list, then I'm inclined to believe you're full of shit and need to review your work again
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yeah lets get the wagon rolling then.
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On March 30 2013 09:21 RyuSuzaku wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 08:51 ThePeashooter wrote:
We are running out of time and running low on activity. I didn't write up entire cases but here is what I have.
kita, glurio, layabout, kenpachi scum team.
Zarepath possible alternate for scum.
ryu, wave of shadow, geript, DYS, me town
Of the players listed blazinghand ignores and never references any of the 4 players listed in red. Zarepath gets soft defended by BH day 1 then shortly after that amidst a flurry of activity the votes get switched off Zare and end up on Greymist.
Me and WoS are town determined by DT claim. Understandably some of you won't know our alignment as well as I do but I believe his claim made sense.
DYS/Ryu both had specific posts I viewed not being very likely or possible to come from a mafia. They both also had not that scummy of post history.
Glurio can't hold a thought and just keeps jumping around on to whatever seems good at the time. He said we need to lynch LayAbout then just immediately jumps ship and goes off on how we should lynch Kita upon never actually saying anything about Kita up until that point.
Kenpachi I have elaborated on.
Kita is not anywhere near as active as he should be and although his posts make sense for the most part I can't help but feel he can't be town because there is no reason he should be alive at this point.
LayAbout would probably be my alternate for Zarepath. BH also never acknowledged LayAbout in any of his posts combined with LayAbout looking generally scummy.
Today I'd probably be most comfortable with killing either Glurio or Kenpachi. I don't particularly care which. I disagree strongly on DYH. Maybe it's best to simply kill Kenpachi, since literally everyone thinks he's scum.Sorry I can't provide more than this atm, on my phone.
That just made me think you're scum. Only like 3 people are against me as of now btw.
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I have it out here: Ryu, DYH, geript all mafia
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town got utterly dominated
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We failed to figure out the little things. Kitaman should have died but everyone was null at that point to me
Learned a couple things:
I need to take notes
Low Activity during day means Town is fucked
... I don't like asking for feedback especially since I'm just going to get flamed but I should start sometime to do something differently.
Yeah I know I play like mafia.
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isnt town win condition to just eliminate all mafia
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