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On March 20 2013 11:13 zarepath wrote:
I like that WoS case a lot.
One thing worth noting about his defensiveness is that in the other game I played with WoS, I made a fake case on him, and he was SUPER apologetic. Like, he just said "sorry guys, I must be playing this wrong" and pretty much rolled over. He was town.
This game, he has been very emotional in his defensiveness, using poor logic (I'm always a mislynched townie, therefore I will always be a mislynch). He wasn't very defensive at ALL when he was a townie threatened by mislynch.
And the Wiggle vote really cements the case; there were already a few votes on him before WoS went for it.
I don't know why I'd forgotten about that scum slip; I think all of these pseduo-slips that keep getting dismissed made me intentionally dismiss all of them? I don't know. But the fact remains there are very few town reasons for him to mis-compose his sentence in the way that he did.
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Hey Zare, that was my first mafia game ever. Fuck rolling over, I fight now.
Apparently nobody believes that I don't have super strong scumreads of my own and so I'm not allowed to sheep onto a decent choice who I believe is scummy, namely Wriggle. Ok, I get that. Good evidence you're bringing to the table here though zare, maybe before you sheep along with everyone else, you know, like youre accusing me of doing you should READ the fucking cases against me.
I'll spell what's wrong with your last point out for you here:+ Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 08:54 kitaman27 wrote:Finally have some spare time. I'll respond to a couple relavent issues, but first I wanted to get out a post on one of my strongest scum reads. I may have a second post about another player I'm suspicious of, depending on how much time I have. WaveofShadowThe first player I'd like to bring up is WaveofShadow. Whenever I try to look at a player, the most important thing to look at in my opinion is motive. During the first few cycles of a game, it can be quite difficult to differentiate a townie post and a mafia post. The easiest way to tell the difference is to ask yourself, what is a player trying to accomplish with these posts and what does this player care most about. When I read through the filter of Wave, I can't help but notice that he is much more willing to play through others, than to put himself out there. On numerous occasions, we can see him prodding other players with questions, but there has been very little follow through. He questions other players reads, but fails to come to significant conclusions. Wave has approached the first two cycles in a way that shows me that he has little interest in being the guy that gets a player lynched. He is more interested in selecting a bandwagon based on the arguments of other players. In his support for the day one lynch, he posts the following: Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
I CAN, however get behind a vote on DP. I support VE's case though I do not necessarily support his town circle; call that scummy if you wish but having never seen one in a game before I have no idea of their risks or benefits and it just seems manipulative to me.
Vote: Darthpunk This is the first time in the game he actually mentions Darthpunk. He states in a single line that he supports VE's case, yet provides no reasoning for why he agrees. Notice how defensive he gets with his vote. In reference to his disapproval of VE's circle he states "Call that scummy if you wish." At a point where he has selected his preferred lynch candidate, he is still spending more time discussing VE's completely irrelevant circle. For the sake of keeping this post legible, I've edited out the previous part of this quote, but he spends a whole paragraph discussing the deal with yamato. Why is it that he is spending more time discussing events not relevant to his scumread, than the actual vote itself? It would be one thing if VE's case was so convincing that he had nothing to add. However, when I ask myself, does he care about this lynch, I come to the conclusion that he does not. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 12:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can also see it isn't likely that DarthPunk is goin' down but I want a chance to re-read before changing anything.
I remember thinking that zare isn't scum but I don't remember why. DarthPunk is his preferred lynch candidate, but at this point he has put absolutely no effort in pushing his selection. He is more than willing to comment on unrelated issues, but when it comes to the part of the game that should be most relevant, he shows little interest. This post shows me that his scum read is influenced by whether or not he believes the town views it as a viable lynch. When a mafia player selects a bandwagon, they often due it based on where the town's sentiment lies. Once he realizes that DarthPunk isn't going to get lynched, he backs off, simply stating that he has responded well to pressure. Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
No excuses here, but of the people I know in this game, very few have posted thus far so I can't read much into meta Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
My meta reads are overall fairly weak thus far into my mafia career though so I'm not yet comfortable lynching zare based on that evidence. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Meta reads are going to be something I will not be very good at until I play quite a few more games with all of you guys, so I can't look back at Yamato and try to find out if Vivax's claim is legitimate. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 23:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
My meta reads are very weak as I have stated earlier. Back to my point about his "defensive" phrasing of his vote, he has been acting quite defensive during the first two cycles. While a town player plays with confidence, Wave seems quite careful with his actions and is quite concerned with other's view of himself. Look how important it is to him for others to realize his meta based scum-hunting skills are sub-par. On four different occasions he makes this statement. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 22:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
It's also nice how everyone is going to be real fucking quick to jump down my throat thanks to GM randomly naming me before he dies (multiple times) without anything to back it up.
I love how just like in LX I get ignored half the game and no one responds to anything I say, and as soon as somebody randomly decides to point fingers at me suddenly the whole fucking thread is up in arms.
(Expletives deleted, don't want DrH yelling at me), I'm lone wolfing this game. In response to suspicion, he reacts quite strangely. Look how worked up he gets when GM names him as a scum read. There is essentially no pressure or votes on him at this point, yet he is responding as if he is about to be hammered. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 23:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
But please, by all means keep it coming and tunnel me instead of hunting for real scum. It's not like this is a distraction or anything from the real point of the game. Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wat.
GL with that.
And as for responding to post-flip pressure, it just pisses me off that I don't get listened to at all on certain days; people only tend to pay attention to me when they think I'm scummy which has been...let's see....NEVER. These are more examples of how important it is to him that he is seen in good light. Note how he has spent more time talking about his annoyance of getting suspected, than he does about DarthPunk earlier. His vote of GreYMisT also occurred at a time where GreYMisT was suspicious of him. Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 03:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha wow I guess I really do have to be more careful what I post in these games...I make mistakes wayy too often that get seen as scummy. I guess it's good that people are pointing this shit out 'cause I didn't notice, and eventually I'll stop fucking myself over with these mistakes.
I dunno, not much to say about that. I'll blame it on lack of sleep due to 3 month old baby.
Finally, I come to this post which is what caused me to look at him further. Look how squirmish he is in his response. This is at a point where he accidentally mentioned to a lynch, rather than a night kill. It was a 100% typo and a non-issue. Yet here is his talking about how his has to be more careful about not making mistakes and coming up with more excuses. Wave has show that he cares more about himself, than town. He is willing to share opinions on less important issues, while skimping in pushing town objectives when it comes to the lynch. He responds in a mafia manner to suspicion and posts with an attitude that lacks the look of a town player. I think he wo
It's called a brain fart. I have them a lot, just ask anyone I've played mafia with thus far. I'm not exactly expecting Mocsta/VE/BH/whoever to come running to my rescue here since if any of them is scum this is an easy chance just to let me swing, but they know very well what I'm talking about. Keir did too.
The best, the BEST part about all of this is more than half the people on this bandwagon are doing exactly what you are accusing me of doing, and that is sheeping onto a case with very little to back it up. Just +1 +1 +1.
Enjoy it while it lasts, for I may be a sheep but I am not a red sheep.
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I dont think WOS is scum. but my reads are pretty shit this early in the game so take it with a grain of salt.
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On March 20 2013 10:11 ThePeashooter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote:Well I read it right now but frankly I developed the feeling he is town, I find others way scummier than him and WoS is a newbie so I understand him being defensive, dunno why he rides so much on not knowing how to metaread though. + Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 04:53 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 04:52 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 04:51 zarepath wrote:
VE, what is the name of your role? You never said, you just claimed Vet. What's the purpose of this question? Don't you believe the claim? Zare is scum rolecop imo It's a guy who says these things to a guy who asks questions to a claimed veteran. Kita don't you feel my Zarepath, GK and cosmicomics cases are good? I feel they are the strongest ones and I will likely not let go of those reads. I still have 2 wildcards currently occupied by Layabout and BH but TPS and glurio would fit in there too. I think you might be a bit biased in your assessment of your cases. I find Kita's case to be exceptionally strong. You have to keep in mind what the goals are behind a post. What WoS is doing is a typical example of inexperienced scum and Kita illustrated it very well. He wants to be non confrontational and but also doesn't do anything towards town goals. It's that subconscious fear that every mafia player has to get over when the get a red role. You know you are scum, and you feel like everything you see is going to get scrutinized, but you can't say anything and you can't form your own cases because everyone else is town so any case you make you feel would be inherently suspicious. So you end up in this weird state where you are too scared to make your own bullshit case, but need to fake some level of contribution. The end result is the analysis that Kita gave. A skilled scum player learns to take a persons words and use them out of context knowing way too many people will just believe the context you put them in and create a case on someone that most other townies could feasibly get behind. The latter example is what I felt that Wade Fell was doing. However, I haven't done a full analysis on him to view what his motivations are behind his actions. Since it would be taken as OMGUS I preferred if Ace or Kita stepped up and lent a hand since I trust their skill in analyzing the situation and seeing if they agree or disagree with me. I could very well be letting my bias get the way which is why I wanted the help of someone else.
Alright let's try TPS now.
First of all, fuck you. First thing I was asked after Daypost popped up was do I want to sheep BH's case against you, and I said no, because I believed you were actually maybe capable of doing something useful for the town. Guess I was wrong.
Second, inexperienced maybe. Scum, no. I haven't formed any major cases because I honestly can't find a target that hasn't been scrutinized to death already that I could bring something new to the table for. So I act with my vote when I need to. I don't exactly think I've been non-confrontational at all this game, but of course that's a matter of perception. I guess everything I did during the day can just be ignored as well as what I'm doing now, sure. I wish, I WISH you didn't look scummy as fuck because then I'd make a case against YOU, but I still believe you are town, fuck if I know why. Gut reads doing me real justice thus far.
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Let's see who's the next sheep that needs to be sheared?
Wiggle?
You're scum.
On March 20 2013 10:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Kita, what do you think of WoS' flip on his reads?
He goes from being super-sure that Zarepath is scum and saying I'm his strongest town read, even baiting Zare into saying I'm scum to call him scum again, to wanting to lynch him as the day started, to agreeing with him, when all he did was reiterate the same stuff he said about me last night. So his read on him goes from scum -> town, and the last thing he's saying about him, is that something he did looks scummy. As for me, he's saying I'm town, and then that I'm scum, when all that happened is I made two posts at night, where I said I wasn't going to post reads, and was inactive for a while. His reads did a complete 180s, and the flips happened in line with what's popular at the time.
This is the most activity and pushing you've done since the beginning of the game. Before this it's been all
On March 20 2013 07:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
As for not having a bunch of scum reads, the state of the game is a big mess right now. I need to read more.
On March 20 2013 07:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Ok, I'm back.
About the Peashooter case. Can someone point out the scum motivations in his posting to me? I see there's a case, but some of it seems like it's on an emotional basis, and some it's based on activity, neither of which I see as being valid for calling him scum. Reading through his posts, I don't see scum motivation though. He's not trying to misdirect us, and he's not trying that much to fit in and hide. The feeling I get from him is that he's just pretty angry, but it seem honest. For example, he got all mad at Coag, but then later he gets all mad at Kenpachi for similar reasons. So, he's consistent with it.
Deleted a bit about layabout, I like his recent posting.
I'm waiting on a couple of other people to continue posting. I'd like to see how they react to recent developments.
As for VE/BH, I don't want to lynch into them right now. I'd rather let scum or vigs sort them out for us. I find them hard to read, because they play very emotionally, and they do/say a lot of things I find scummy/disagree with from a play perspective on a regular basis. If VE was actually shot, and BH is a mason, then scum will have to go after them sooner or later. If they don't, they're either going to start to doing good work as town, or else they're going to out themselves as scum, because if I remember right, their scum play isn't the greatest compared to their town play. I think we can find better targets for today.
I'm going to do some stuff, and then read through some of the other posters who haven't really caught my attention or who have been avoiding the spotlight. I feel there's a good chance of finding scum among them.
On March 19 2013 13:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Town my soul to keep, If I shall die before I wake, I pray the Town my soul to take.
Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 12:38 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 19 2013 12:36 kitaman27 wrote:
Considering I nearly fell asleep writing the personality endgame post I'm going to have to call it a night. Hope to see you all in the morning! NOOOO WHAT IF YOU DIIIEIEEEEEEE?!??!?!? Then he'll really be dead tiredYEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 
I haven't really read too deeply since night time. I've been sort of skimming over the thread and reading a bit more for certain posts/posters, but that's it right now. I won't be awake to post stuff right before the deadline, so I've weighed between posting some stuff now about reads or just waiting, and I've opted to wait. I'm waiting to see what happens with the day post, and I haven't really gotten to pay close attention to the reactions to the GreY flip. Any post I make won't be much better than a Day 1 read, so I don't think it will help much as compared to the possibility of it becoming WIFOM if I die. I noticed some people questioning my decision making regarding GreY's lynch, and my last post before the flip, so I'll go a bit into my thought process. Basically, GreY was someone I was watching throughout the day. I thought he was scummy, and Ryu's post lined up a lot with what I was thinking about him. I wanted to see how GreY would react or try to defend himself, but unfortunately he never did. He just gave up, which put us in a crappy situation, because you can either weigh it as a townie giving up, or as a mafia ploy. Based on how he acted earlier, I concluded he was more likely to be scum, and voted for him. I said it was a bad situation, because when he just martyrs himself and acts apathetically, he doesn't give us anything else to work with, and you can't just drop the case because he stopped posting.
I'll watch the thread for a little less than an hour if anyone has questions about some things for me. I don't really want to post a list of reads though.
Boy oh BOY have YOU been useful. Annother one who just sits back, makes noncomittal reads and posts and waits for everyone else to do his scum work for him. And you have the AUDACITY to call ME out on this shit?
Laughable. Just fucking laughable.
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On March 20 2013 11:19 zarepath wrote:
If Ace is so amazing why hasn't he solved this game yet
And I think the butthurt isn't strong enough yet, Mocsta needs to make an appearance and hurt some butts
YOLO
I am ashamed to admit it.. but im still only up to page 22, been flat out @ work and real life.
I can keep up with the dynamics happening since I joined, but to start considering who i want to build a case on, i need the context of Day1 (which is missing)
Even though the game is low on post count.. im finding it hard to read, dunno why.
*I must say* I didnt care for your approach to my questioning yesterday. yes I was overtly aggressive But you proceeded to not answer the question I wrote at the end. That response isnt scummy on its own... but considering I am sure you are aware that you are on my watch list; it is surprising the effort wasnt made to satiate my thirst for knowledge.
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On March 20 2013 10:34 DarthPunk wrote:
OK. So we are not Lynching viscera eyes today or maybe even tomorrow. The fact is that it's plain silly to lynch blue claims like that.
I was leaning scummy on Blazinghand for a bit and you all know my position on viscera eyes. But the correct play is to wait and see. So that is what we do.
I really like Blazinghands catch of that slip. I have caught scum with stuff like that before. And I got a bit of a town read on BH from the way he pushed it after wards. I don't want to lynch TPS today, though I think he should be closely watched.
Kita's case is ridiculously good. It completely exposes a mindset of not caring about the lynch and just following popular trends. Which is NOT a town mindset.
##Vote: WaveofShadow
Do I even need to go into detail on this one? Fuck even Coag called him out on this. Again I'm being accused of sheeping onto cases with one liners and OH WAIT, WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE??
So ridiculous you guys, just absolutely ridiculous.
I give credit to cosmic for getting this shit started and disappearing off the face of the earth, and TPS for being the only one to actually post something worth responding to regarding me, and maybe ADDING something to this bullshit case against me.
The rest of y'all, up to you if you want to continue sheeping now that all of your wool is keeping me warm at night. If you grow it back by tomorrow then at that point I can re-shear you and have enough for a couple sweaters or something.
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On March 20 2013 11:07 geript wrote:
Can someone make a rational reasoned case for why we're pushing Zarepath off the block entirely as well? I've seen nothing change from him and the only real reasoning saying otherwise was Keriethi's comment. I get Keriethi but is that a reason to stop pressure entirely.
In my opinion the reasoning was enough to relegate zarepath to the watch actively list.
i.e. pay careful attention to his actions
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concentrate filter time on other suspects.
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What I want to know from you
Is what do you think of the people that instantly said "zare must be town, cos Kei flipped town"
By what do i think; I actually infer:
What is your opinion of the situation? i.e. is it valid reasoning?
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Is this type of reasoning; alignment indicative? If so, which direction?
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Hey WoS before you leave can you tell me if you think I'm scum?
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On March 20 2013 12:29 sciberbia wrote:
Hey WoS before you leave can you tell me if you think I'm scum?
Who says I'm leaving?
And let me look back at your filter for a minute, from what I remember you actually deserve the respect of a proper read-through unlike most of those others.
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On March 20 2013 12:26 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 10:34 DarthPunk wrote:
OK. So we are not Lynching viscera eyes today or maybe even tomorrow. The fact is that it's plain silly to lynch blue claims like that.
I was leaning scummy on Blazinghand for a bit and you all know my position on viscera eyes. But the correct play is to wait and see. So that is what we do.
I really like Blazinghands catch of that slip. I have caught scum with stuff like that before. And I got a bit of a town read on BH from the way he pushed it after wards. I don't want to lynch TPS today, though I think he should be closely watched.
Kita's case is ridiculously good. It completely exposes a mindset of not caring about the lynch and just following popular trends. Which is NOT a town mindset.
##Vote: WaveofShadow
Do I even need to go into detail on this one? Fuck even Coag called him out on this. Again I'm being accused of sheeping onto cases with one liners and OH WAIT, WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE?? So ridiculous you guys, just absolutely ridiculous. I give credit to cosmic for getting this shit started and disappearing off the face of the earth, and TPS for being the only one to actually post something worth responding to regarding me, and maybe ADDING something to this bullshit case against me. The rest of y'all, up to you if you want to continue sheeping now that all of your wool is keeping me warm at night. If you grow it back by tomorrow then at that point I can re-shear you and have enough for a couple sweaters or something.
NO. The case with you is that you have solely and repeatedly sheeped onto cases. I have not. and expecting people to not follow a strong case just so they don't sheep is ridiculous.
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Scib:
I read you as town. You've been sticking to your reads (a few too many lists for my liking but whatever) and I especially like that you've been attempting to keep zare in the spotlight, who also looks incredibly scummy to me and has for most of the game. Bring the aforementioned case against me if you must; I'll do my best to shut it down along with the rest, sigh.
And what's that DP? I don't understand what you're saying, it's just coming out 'baaaa baaaa baaaaa.'
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On March 20 2013 11:44 WaveofShadow wrote:Meh. Since I'm honestly sick of every game going the same way for me, I'm going to have a little fun with this I think. I'll leave it up to you guys: do you a) Want me to attempt to defend myself or, b) Ignore all of this shit and make everyone on this bandwagon feel really silly tomorrrow? Sigh...I always seem to bring this upon myself...you'd think I'd learn. 
WoS
I havent read the case on you; nor read the game in detail to know whether i agree/disagree based on your play.
What i do know for certain is: I have yet to see a non-newbie town WoS keel over like this.
If I contrast the above with your past 3 games - all of which I have been involved- Hydra: you guys put up more of a fight; and proceeded to make counter cases as your defense.
- Mafia LIX: you put up WAY MORE of a fight... in fact, you ignored my case(s) outright, and continued to follow your leads
- Latest Newbie: you were a strong town read/"leader" from Day 1.
I actually believe what you say "you're sick of every game going this way" - i.e. being cast under suspicion in non-newbie games.
The problem here is the pattern of a town WoS.. when under threat, WoS says
"fuck u, im town... *THIS* is the scum you should be voting for.
Instead, we get a limp "Can I have permission to defend myself, or if I have to by request, I will build an alternative case".
Yes frustrated town can say what you did. but. i did not read the above as a post filled with frustration.
I read the post as carrying tone exemplified as more indicative of demoralization.
something i would naturally correlate with scum.; in particular given your town patterns when cornered.
So yes, I havent read the case, or the game in detail to judge your play.. But I have seen enough of you to sufficiently judge your response.
##Vote: WaveofShadow
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Hey Mocsta.
You want to read my last 5-6 posts and check again?
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On March 20 2013 12:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Scib:
I read you as town. You've been sticking to your reads (a few too many lists for my liking but whatever) and I especially like that you've been attempting to keep zare in the spotlight, who also looks incredibly scummy to me and has for most of the game. Bring the aforementioned case against me if you must; I'll do my best to shut it down along with the rest, sigh.
And what's that DP? I don't understand what you're saying, it's just coming out 'baaaa baaaa baaaaa.'
W/E dude you are digging yourself a hole. I just ask that you play to your win condition.
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On March 20 2013 12:29 Mocsta wrote:
What I want to know from you
Is what do you think of the people that instantly said "zare must be town, cos Kei flipped town"
I'd take it on a case by case basis. Off the top of my head, I think it's scummy that (iirc) the people who instantly dismissed it haven't been trying to push someone else or really even pressure other people. Especially since in reviewing his filter, nothing has changed in my mind. He's still coming off as unsure and guarded (continued meta inconsistency). I really hated his last post re: stirring up the thread (steering towards negative town atmosphere). The fishing for information re: VE's role name rubbed me the wrong way too (information gathering). It just seems absolutely insane to me that so many people came off as 50/50 on Zare/GM but unwilling/unwanting to keep pressure on him whatsoever. That doesn't match town mentality in my book.
By what do i think; I actually infer:
What is your opinion of the situation? i.e. is it valid reasoning?
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Is this type of reasoning; alignment indicative? If so, which direction?
Could you clarify what you mean by this exactly? I'm not quite sure I answered your questions but I'm also not sure I got what you were asking.
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Lol and just having a look at the voting thread for a second, I noticed cosmic doesn't even have his vote on me in the first place despite his strong scumread, and Wiggles shows up to vote me without even saying anything in the thread.
For those of you who are town-aligned on this bandwagon, let it be known: YOU ARE BEING HAD.
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On March 20 2013 11:59 sciberbia wrote:
Hi all. I plan to be here for the next several hours.
I agree with the general sentiment that lynching either BH or VE is dumb today as a matter of general strategy. here is no really strong evidence that either of them is scum. I don't think they should be lynch candidates.
Sci..
the above is interesting.. so far the only case I noticed on VE is from DarthPunk.
Henceforth, the corollary is that the DP case on VE is rubbish (i..e not really strong)
Lets get context here: DP is a strong player.. after all DP does have the highest win ratio on the TL Database. And has had scum and town games that have all resulted in the same outcome.. victory
With that context: Do you expect more substance from a town DP? If the case is "not strong' as you suggest, what impact does this have on your DP read?
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Hey everyone, look how mad I am! I must be town, because I'm sooooooooooooooo frustrated!
I'm tired of people making cases on me based on me not sitting on my ass playing mafia all day to the exclusion of other things. You don't see me blowing up. Because stupid emotional appeals are shit play or scum trying to worm out of a lynch.
##Vote: WaveofShadow
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EBWOP: Nvm It was kita. Derp. The point against Wiggle still stands.
Not that I'd be surprised if cosmic showed up to join the bandwagon too lol
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On March 20 2013 12:51 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 12:29 Mocsta wrote:
What I want to know from you
Is what do you think of the people that instantly said "zare must be town, cos Kei flipped town"
I'd take it on a case by case basis. Off the top of my head, I think it's scummy that (iirc) the people who instantly dismissed it haven't been trying to push someone else or really even pressure other people. Especially since in reviewing his filter, nothing has changed in my mind. He's still coming off as unsure and guarded (continued meta inconsistency). I really hated his last post re: stirring up the thread (steering towards negative town atmosphere). The fishing for information re: VE's role name rubbed me the wrong way too (information gathering). It just seems absolutely insane to me that so many people came off as 50/50 on Zare/GM but unwilling/unwanting to keep pressure on him whatsoever. That doesn't match town mentality in my book. Show nested quote +
By what do i think; I actually infer:
What is your opinion of the situation? i.e. is it valid reasoning?
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Is this type of reasoning; alignment indicative? If so, which direction?
Could you clarify what you mean by this exactly? I'm not quite sure I answered your questions but I'm also not sure I got what you were asking.
You answered it.
I was subtlely asking for a "scenario" alignment read on layabout
Now you know he is who I was asking about.. would you agree once more, that the action is of a scummy nature?
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