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austinmcc
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On March 13 2013 07:14 strongandbig wrote: I hope you and marv didn't both leak information ...looking scummy is part roleplaying his personality It might be part of him roleplaying his personality. It might be an excuse. I don't know either way. | ||
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On March 13 2013 09:33 Foolishness wrote: Raise your hand if you're confused by this.Do people still want to kill crossfire? I don't particularly see him caring whether or not town wants to kill some guy that he has stated he doesn't have the strongest read on. If he's scum, this is going to be some kind of distraction or nonsense, because we've only recently stopped discussing other nonsense. Or perhaps it's a setup to him "vigging" crossfire. That would be absolute balls, because I don't think anyone is going to accept that he has nearly no reads of his own, yet vigs a guy he's not entirely sure on because thread wants it? Alternative is it's some kind of town thing going on. Which still doesn't make any sense. WHAT IS THIS POST? | ||
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It's a ridiculously crappy post if he has no plan. Nobody missed that there's something going on, it's the what's going on that's weird. | ||
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BC's "you guys so bad, I'm scummy cuz of my personality that you guys don't know about" is crap. He should know it's crap. Marv, may have been you, but someone in a PM or obs or postgame of themed game mentioned it being hard for established scumhunters to play scum and not be outed. This feels like that. BC gets to be scummy for a day, and his response/defense is to blame it on his personality, which we don't know and which he knows we don't know. End result? Perhaps it buys him a day or two. That's crap. Just an easy way to delay being outed by blaming on information that, oh my, nobody else happens to have. There's a group of experienced players who are all just...congealing together. risk.nuke, HiroPro, prplhz, snb, slOosh, Acro. With each of those people, just off the top of my head, I can think of 0-2 things that they've done. A particular post, a particular case, but that's it. If I'm not around, someone else needs to poke this group HARD. I've been growing more wtf-ey with slOosh, because while he was entirely inactive in PU like he is here, he was somewhat active and was all scheme-y in bureaucracy. Here, he's entirely inactive and doesn't have the benefit of me having checked him as "town." So...I'm stuck thinking it's some dumb roleplaying or rl issues, and not scumminess? Don't love the conclusion, but frankly that whole group of people needs to take some stances tomorrow, differentiate themselves, and we can see who rises up and who sits at the bottom of the glass looking scummy. Still haven't read Duel mafia. But multiple people picked out multiple inconsistencies between Cora's play there and here. I'm assuming you're not all scum laying some elaborate trap to kill Cora, so I'll assume his play is funky and I have to throw part of my read out the window. But still, look at his entrance posts. Those are carefree and silly. Those are not mafia posts. Look at him trying to figure out bugs and my mayoral campaign. Those are trying to solve the game. Not mafia posts. Cora town. Vivax was scumVivax earlier. He was not actively destroying the thread and when he was here, was kind of shitty/weird, but relying on just...lies/assumptions/not reading. More recent Vivax has been townVivax - dicking around with marv, being insistent that he's right about ridiculous things and trying to get everyone riled up about the ridiculous ideas that he wants to push. That's what I was getting at earlier with being used to him being scummy as town, but that he wasn't being scummy in the right way. It felt off, like he was trying to be scummy but forcing it. After getting called out on it, ta da! Miraculously, scummy townVivax shows back up. That change means Vivax probably scum. Anyone who says vivax is scum cuz he's scummy is being dumb and not looking at him properly. He's scum cuz he's the wrong kind of scummy, as stupid as that sounds. It's forced, it's based on not reading/lying, rather than just shitting up thread. I think marv is town, so he's probably scum too. | ||
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On March 13 2013 11:25 slOosh wrote: If we're still alive, yes. But tomorrow. Too late for me tonight.austin do you want to play that game you played with yamato with me? Actually, I want to play that game more with yamato. I think I only got one read out of him, and fooking everyone should be playing that game with the group of players that you're in. | ||
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On March 13 2013 11:30 Mocsta wrote: Read closer. I bet you find more than just a list.This reads like a big post of nothing. You just saying here is a list some scum here. If you're around Day2, i want to see you apply some god-damn pressure. I will give you credit though: you applying the politican personality full steam... | ||
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On March 13 2013 11:38 Mocsta wrote: I'm actually gonna get away from the comp and sleep, but my read on Cora isn't entirely depending on duel.+ If you want to comment on Cora, then at least do the justice of reading Duel. Otherwise your comments are moot and shitting up the dispute. His entrance into this game is a general entrance thingy. Not related to the newbie I was watching or duel. His posts on bugs and my mayoral campaign are something that I look for and find townie always. Not related to the newbie I was watching or duel. Duel throws out the tunneling = townie. Duel makes reliance on meta seem odd. I can accept those arguments, without reading duel, and STILL find those other two things townie. | ||
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On March 14 2013 03:41 marvellosity wrote: So to clarify again, all the nukes are real but you can cancel whichever you choose? I think you are town. I also think you should stop fishing for role information. If DI is a medic and protecting you in some non-normal way, he shouldn't be spelling out what's up. Don't ask him. slOosh is either mafia, in which case this is all nonsense and he's not going to tell you the truth, or he's town, and hopefully can be trusted to have done something that makes sense (despite being Caller). slOosh, if you want to go ahead and play the game, I'd like to know what you think about strongandbig. As to everything else, I'm trying to stay back and not shit up the thread and no go setup-austinmcc here. If the person who is controlling prplhz's vote is town and can say so without giving away a ton of information, then that person should state that they're responsible for the vote. Vote controlling not the most townie looking action, and this is information that would be important in figuring some things out. | ||
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On March 14 2013 03:51 slOosh wrote: Politician is in no way a town move unless you intentionally take a scum's vote to decide a close lynch. Clearly the way that it was used today was not that. I'll give you a blurb on my thoughts on SnB soon but I'd rather focus on the NUKErs the NUKEees and surrounding conversation. Right, I'm trying to rule out the possibility that it was town, or compulsive, or whatever stupid non-scum explanations there are. If nobody comes out of the woodwork, it's most likely a scum politician, and it means vivax is more likely to be town. I hate that conclusion (and the thought of Vivax being alive and in thread for longer), and the whole bit where SOMEONE'S VOTE WAS STOLEN got lost in all the other stuff. | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:08 marvellosity wrote: I have no idea whatsoever as to why he gave out nukes to the people to whom he gave them out. The targets stink unless there's information he's not telling us.how about you don't tell me how to play ever again. deal? Until slOosh explains exactly what's going in with nukes, I don't see much point in engaging with him. He's made what is quite clearly an anti-town move in giving nukes to volatile, lurky, or suspicious players. If slOosh genuinely had KP to give out, why wasn't he giving it out to his strongest townreads? I know slOosh respects my judgement, why wouldn't he give me a KP to kill mafia with? This whole plan stinks, and his inability just to say "yes" to my clarification is very concerning indeed. But either he's not town and going to lie his face off, or he's town and (hopefully) he'll explain. | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:12 slOosh wrote: Crossfire looks townier for it. Out of all the parties involved, he had BOTH an explanation of his nuke:Honestly was one of the players I put off reading because his filter is too long for close inspection. I don't like him, given that he isn't trying to figure stuff out as everyone should be. Fricken NUKEs flying around and you casually sit back and enjoy the view? For my turn I pick anyone concerning the NUKE discussion. On March 14 2013 03:47 Crossfire99 wrote: That more or less makes sense. Crossfire DID list yamato as a townread and Foolishness as a scum read. I'm okay with his reasoning.I figured you were planning on killing me today with your post earlier, so I knew I had to use the nuke before you did something to me. Foolish was my top scum read, plus I saw that he nuked yamato who I believe is town. I also saw that people seemed to be just voting foolish because everyone knew he had to die, so I figured I would help everyone out by nuking scum. This will allow us to lynch another scum and have better discussion. Crossfire also posted this, which shows he was thinking about the game: On March 14 2013 00:21 Crossfire99 wrote: Who said anything about me getting a power today? Scumslip. He and foolish both scum. On March 14 2013 00:43 Crossfire99 wrote: Foolish never claimed being given a nuke. How could vivax have known that either foolish or I got a nuke if we did? Neither of us said anything in thread, yet he instantly assumes that both of us were given the nukes to use. That means he is in secret communication with one of us because I know that I received the nuke last night to use. (He could have also been the one to give the nukes but why would he give the nuke to me who he would lynch today.) Yeah that requires an assumption that foolish got his nuke like I did, but I already think he's scum and I know I'm town (and not in secret communication with vivax). Whatever it's not a 100% scum claim that everyone can know. But knowing what I know, I know that foolish and vivax are scum together. It's the only thing that makes sense. That's not as 100% objective as I'd like as I now realize typing it out, but meh. I still think it's the most likely scenario. This is one of the few things that fell out of the whole encounter where it looks like someone had extra information. Foolishness never claimed that he was GIVEN a power. Crossfire never claimed that he was GIVEN a power. Vivax claims that he GOT a power, "just like Foolishness and Crossfire." It's possibly Vivax is leaping to conclusions and assuming that all the nukes were gifted. It's possible he's scum with one of them, and so knew that 2/3 of the nukes were gifted and assumed the other was. But regardless of Vivax's alignment, Crossfire picked up on this and pointed it out. Moreover, he comes to the right conclusion - it's not 100%. That post looks incredibly off the cuff, I know I have had a number of posts where I realize partway through that something is not as strong as I want it to be, but post it anyway. This looks, legitimately, like that kind of post. I am now townie on Crossfire. Working on figuring out what to make of Foolishness's response to the this. If he's scum and marv isn't, Foolishness should have nuked marv, imo (Or someone more threatening to scum than Yamato right now). However, because his play leading up to this has been scummy, and because his post-nuke conduct is just to afk out again after dropping a comment about risk.nuke, I don't think it paints him as town. If he nuked marv, he'd be 10000000% scum and have no chance of avoiding lynch today. Nuking non-marv was really his only option as scum. So I'm reading his actions as an attempt to look townie, because the lead-up and the follow-up to the nuke target don't mesh with town Foolishness. So, a full thought and a partial thought. You just tangled a bit with acro, thoughts on him? | ||
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HiroPro, I choose YOU. Play my game. Thoughts on acrofales? | ||
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On March 14 2013 05:08 HiroPro wrote: Seems to only mention recent events, and doesn't say anything specific. Care to substantiate your thoughts with references to actual posts?i am leaning town. I dont agree with some of the stuff he is saying (on Foolish especially), but he feels very genuine to me in the small tidbits he discusses. I choose prplhz for you. But, let's continue, because prplhz himself looks scummy, and yet he's the guy you chose. He looks NULL because of his posts about wbg D1. He kind of egged on votes on wbg, while not being convinced himself. However, he only did that with people who were scummy on wbg, so I can't tell whether he's legitimately trying to force people to vote with the reads they give, or whether he's just trying to get votes onto someone who wasn't mafia. On March 11 2013 21:07 prplhz wrote: yamato77 isn't scum because he's an anonymous dayvig who chose to shoot Kurumi over Foolishness/Ver/TakeYourPick. This post looks mildly townie He looks I DON'T EFFING KNOW for sheeping all the time: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2013 07:41 prplhz wrote: I posted the useful things I have. You'll agree that this thread doesn't need another huge dumb filter. cDgCorazon doesn't need me to hold his hand for him to prove his own innocence, he'll do a lot better without that. When did I ever even talk to a scum read after voting? I don't care much if cDgCorazon is getting lynched, I don't have a huge scum read in him, your case on him was just the best case in this thread so far. I'll notify you if the thread is trying to lynch one of my town reads (such as yamato77) but other than that, I don't care much for day1. On March 14 2013 01:42 prplhz wrote: okay i'll ask you WTF is going on? i don't have any big reads right now. i have town reads and then i have marv's reads and that's kind of it. i wish people would slow down. we have 120 pages in one day, and we have a ton of new content right now (roles being used). there's no way everybody spamming away in this thread has thought everything through and read everything thoroughly so please slow down and go back and reevaluate. i know that's what i want to do right now. Sheep's marv's case on cora D1. D2 has town reads and "marv's reads" and that's it. **Actually, he looks scummy for this specific bit i don't have any big reads right now. i have town reads and then i have marv's reads and that's kind of it. Rereading this over and over makes it ... scummy or role-dependant? Even if you have a townread on marv, it's super scummy not to share what scumreads of his you share and why, but instead to just claim you're sheeping his reads 100%. Unless his role requires him to do that, and we haven't seen anything as restrictive as "you must always vote for a player that x thinks if mafia." This is scummy.He looks scummier for this: On March 14 2013 01:08 prplhz wrote: Again, this is really important. Someone stole his vote. HIS VOTE. There's that stupid line in some of the OPs or the PMs when you'e a VT about how all you have is your voice and your vote. His vote is gone.got a mod pm telling me that i have to vote for vivax ##Vote Vivax Does he really care? No. He just casually states it's gone. Does he seem upset by this? Does he try and figure out who did this? Does this impact how he views Vivax? Nope, just "Hai gaiz, my vote has been placed on vivax, see ya." That's both not a townie response to being the target of a votesteal AND it's downplaying something that is important. It's wifomy as to who stole whose vote and put it on whom, what parts of that are mafia's doing, but it's an important thing that happened and it's very likely that scum did the vote stealing because nobody has claimed it. I liked his bringing up BC. I liked the points he made. That case felt legitimate, there was work that went into it, digging up things that BC had said in the past. Minor townie points for prplhz, even with BC flipping town, because it felt like it took some time, and because, assuming mafia shot BC, it was effort put into a case on a guy that they were going to kill. Please do prplhz yourself. Also, prplhz...any explanation for why the vote-steal doesn't seem to have mattered to you? | ||
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Is marv scum, or is wbg scum and logged into marv's account? | ||
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I think Foolishness's post reads well. I also think that he's not being entirely truthful. The read on marv feels legitimate, but him being a batman-posting/unlynchable/1-shot vigi? That's bs. I don't trust that at all. Makes me not trust the post as a whole, because if he's actually coming clean here and making a big towncase, he's not doing a good job of it when he's also hiding/altering information. Can I prove that he's lying? Not really. Does it seem that it is? Yeah. It feels like he's crafting a role to explain all of his behavior, and that doesn't pass the smell test with me. | ||
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On March 14 2013 15:43 supersoft wrote: Here's what this bit comes down to:you don't deserve to win. Really. Okay people. Keep sheeping Marv. Marv may be town. But Foolishness definetely is town. Yamato is the first lynch. Crossfire the second. If marv keeps protecting them and if he doesnt see that foolish is town, you must kill him, too. Do you believe Foolishness is a batman-posting-restriction/unlynchable/fake-1-shot-vigi? Do you think Foolishness received a PM telling him that he was all of those things? If you do, I think you're ridiculous. If you don't, then Foolishness's big reputation-restoration post isn't fully truthful. If nothing else, this line: On a side note, my actions to kill yamato were what I perceived to be the best course to get people to see that I'm town considering that so many people are suspicious of me. I vigi'd him last night so that people could see I was serious. When that didn't happen I nuked him almost immediately (after ruling out Ver and marvellosity as the other candidates). Since I can't be lynched I thought that this would again put me back on track and get people to listen to me. Read this bit Supersoft. Read this bit anyone who thinks Foolishness posted a big ol' pile of truthful thoughts.(1) I tried to kill yamato 2x "to get people to see that I'm town" (2) "Since I can't be lynched I thought that this would again put me back on track and get people to listen to me" Read (2) again. Read (2) again, slowly. Again, he's saying he can't be lynched. Yet he's worried about getting town to listen to him. And he's admitting that he hasn't had much time to play, hasn't been able to analyze everything. There are TWO problems there. If he can't be lynched, then his townieness is ALMOST 100% proven when he doesn't get lynched. How the balls do you balance a game with a scum player who cannot be lynched? Role =/= alignment, but some roles are very, very telling because they simply can't be balanced for the other side. See the talk about phoenix wright or whatever from earlier. Unlynchable is NOT a balanced mechanic, and if he's so sure he won't be lynched, then his townieness will be proven out. He's so worried about getting town cred and about being listened to, yet he's conveniently forgotten that he is claiming that he will emerge from a lynch unscathed, immediately FORCING people to take him much more serious and townily. Does not compute. Look at you. You didn't post end-of-night reads, despite thinking you might get shot, because you knew you'd be back today. Foolishness claims to have a PM that says "you can't be lynched, bro," and yet he's not taking that into account in his play. He's lying. He's lying in his come-clean post. That ain't town. | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote: prplhz will be voting for Vivax this cycle On March 14 2013 08:57 kitaman27 wrote: slOosh has decided to sheep cDgCorazon this cycle. He must vote for whomever cDgCorazon decides to vote. Read em. At the very least, the wording on the two vote-steals is different. And they operate differently, prplhz's vote went on vivax. slOosh "Decided to sheep corazon" and has to vote cora's vote. Couple conclusions: (1) One of these is bullshit, and is a power to broadcast a message to thread. The person with the "stolen vote" broadcasts that he lost a vote, votes accordingly, boom. (2) Of the two, that looks more like prplhz. Cora actively posted with "slOosh's vote" making it seem like that was a legitimate steal (3) The wording of the slOosh steal MAY indicate that slOosh is the one with the power though, because he "decided" to sheep corazon I don't like slOosh for scum yet. All that nuke stuff was such a big fat townie-looking plan. But that's the one big thing he has in his favor, and maybe it's covering up little things like this. I don't want to lynch him today. I don't really want to be not-townie on him, because of the nuke stuff. But it's a possibility, especially given the vote-steal wording and the oddness of where the vote is placed. | ||
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