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Well I am really not into messing with flips as a mechanic but sure. The safest way to play is to assume corazon was town and we mislynched, so that is the assumption I am going to be operating under.
However;
The thing that I have been thinking about is the way that Corazon reacted to foolishness' power. he didn't ONCE show doubt as to the workings of his unlynchable power when most of the thread were disbelieving of it to some extent.
Corazon Immediately gave his will and acted as if he was dead DESPITE having far fewer votes on him than Foolishness.
If corazon was town I cannot understand at all his instant belief that he would die for having the second highest vote count or why he wouldn't even try to use his two votes to start a wagon on someone else.
If Corazon was scum then he would KNOW if foolishness was lying or not, regardless of foolishness' alignment. If foolishness is scum then he would simply tell corazon his power. If foolishness is town corazon would have know that and know that foolishness would have no reason to lie about his power like that as a townie.
So I think corazon was probably scum. His behaviour around foolishness' claim and having the second highest votes doesn't make sense as a townie.
I really don't like messing with flips but the behaviour just doesn't make sense if corazon was actually town.
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On March 16 2013 08:36 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 07:32 slOosh wrote:
Ok. This is probably my pivotal post. The way I did it was look at the playerlist, cross out dead people, make loose associations with Foolish cora scum, and my nuke crew (3 town 1 scum), so I'm left with lurkeresque type players. I guess they got away with producing less since me and Vivax was taking the full brunt of focus, given that we were playing on scum side for sometime. But I digress.
What do these mean
Kill vivax and sloosh until they explain themselves
It sounds to me like there's something that they've been coordinating on outside the thread. Until they explain these comments they should be treated as having claimed scum.
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Ok, this might be unnecessary if you've been following along but apparently sloosh hasn't so here's a phone post addressing his case:
Pushing Crossfire: I didn't post a formal case but I spent the entirety of my time in the thread arguing about how lynching anyone else was stupid d1 when we would have directly affected scum kp with a crossfire lynch. If you don't consider that pushing i don't know what to tell you.
"High level play": My point in my quote about you was that you had only commented on Yamato, someone who was obviously controversial so no matter the outcome you'd wind up benefiting (if you are scum, which is what I was looking for). Like i said in another post it was your refusal to comment on anything but Yamato that I found scummy, not that you weighed in on him.
Unnatural ... everything: Again you're misrepresenting what I said. I said foolish's case on Cross was based on a single action and the rest on unconfirmed associations. Marv had mentioned how cross posts and quoted how everything Cross had posted was straight fluff.
I'll let you in on a secret also, the shot was directed at Cross, I was hoping if scum had a way to save they'd pop it on Vivax and sniping Cross would be easy. If you read the post I type ##Shoot: Vivax in, the sentence before it I tell the leader to go with his choice and don't actually name Vivax. That was intentional.
I didn't do it with Foolishness because I announced in the thread he should switch his vote to foolish and had already announced the vote was to make my intention known, thus a second vote would serve no purpose.
It's funny you mention inventing stuff to make someone seem scummy because that sure feels like what you're doing.
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OK I have a pretty solid scum read now that I am more caught up. I'll drop the case after the daypost.
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Nah I've kinda scratched crossfire again.
DarthPunk is much more interesting, and I'll keep telling everybody about it.
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On March 16 2013 09:25 Acrofales wrote:
K. I was starting on my nightly reads and realized that I don't trust Stutters' sleeper cell to do the job. Really, if there is any other vig, they should totally be on Foolishness.
Basically, there is no guarantee that Stutters or his partner are not scum. Yes, I have a bit of a town read on Stutters, but no clue what this sleeper cell business is, and sleeper cell doesn't sound town aligned.
Destroy Foolishness. It's better to be safe than sorry. Shoot Foolishness.
This was part of my reason for wanting to shoot cross. I got the message saying that he wanted to kill cross six minutes after deadline when hours before the lynch people were leaning town on Cross due to how events played out. I was hesitant to pull the trigger on that until Marv said he was suspicious of Cross.
I also still can't explain why he would choose me over a strong town player unless he had hopes of getting me to help him shoot a townie that no one would question. We'll see if he switched to foolish and go from there I guess.
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DP I would rather see that case now.
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On March 16 2013 10:11 yamato77 wrote:
DP I would rather see that case now.
Why is that? What possible reason could there be for posting a case now rather than after the day post? the only people it helps are scum.
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On March 16 2013 10:09 Vivax wrote:
Nah I've kinda scratched crossfire again.
DarthPunk is much more interesting, and I'll keep telling everybody about it.
Well I do try to be interesting. Go right ahead.
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Acro's Nightly Reads
KILL WITH FIRE
Foolishness. Not much to say that hasn't already been said. I tried some speculation with a town Cora, but his play is just too wrong to be town. Kill!!!
DarthPunk. Ver looked like scum. He then went awol. This bought him a day. He was replaced, but the replacement has done nothing. His single "large" post with content made my scumdar beep crazily:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 16 2013 09:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Well I am really not into messing with flips as a mechanic but sure. The safest way to play is to assume corazon was town and we mislynched, so that is the assumption I am going to be operating under.
However;
The thing that I have been thinking about is the way that Corazon reacted to foolishness' power. he didn't ONCE show doubt as to the workings of his unlynchable power when most of the thread were disbelieving of it to some extent.
Corazon Immediately gave his will and acted as if he was dead DESPITE having far fewer votes on him than Foolishness.
If corazon was town I cannot understand at all his instant belief that he would die for having the second highest vote count or why he wouldn't even try to use his two votes to start a wagon on someone else.
If Corazon was scum then he would KNOW if foolishness was lying or not, regardless of foolishness' alignment. If foolishness is scum then he would simply tell corazon his power. If foolishness is town corazon would have know that and know that foolishness would have no reason to lie about his power like that as a townie.
So I think corazon was probably scum. His behaviour around foolishness' claim and having the second highest votes doesn't make sense as a townie.
I really don't like messing with flips but the behaviour just doesn't make sense if corazon was actually town.
This is his ONLY post with any content. It says "Cora was town, because hosts say so", but "Cora was scum, because behaviour". Way to 1. parrot other people's opinion and 2. not actually voice an opinion. It is the wishy wash. It says nothing. Pile this on with Ver's behaviour, and I say we KILL him.
The rest is a bit of a mess. I don't think scum is dumb enough to have all of their eggs in one basket, so there is no way Foolishness, Vivax and Sloosh were trying to get Marv and Yamato killed all game together as a scumteam. No way does a scumteam go through the game as a team of buttbuddies. It just doesn't make sense.
I still think Vivax is probably town for meta reasons. I trust my meta read in Vivax more than most, because Vivax is far far far more hateful and aggressive as town than he is as scum. He has been insufferable this game (with that cancer-dick post as completely over the line nasty), and it reminds me 100% of LIX.
The other scum is hiding in this list: sloosh, risk.nuke, crossfire, HiroPro
The townies: Stutters, Oats, prplhz, Vivax, SnB, Dandel Ion, Mocsta, Iamperfection, Yamato, Promethelax, Marvellosity, austinmcc
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You could die, I could die, the person you think is mafia might die
Don't wait. Any new analysis is welcome.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 16 2013 10:11 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 09:25 Acrofales wrote:
K. I was starting on my nightly reads and realized that I don't trust Stutters' sleeper cell to do the job. Really, if there is any other vig, they should totally be on Foolishness.
Basically, there is no guarantee that Stutters or his partner are not scum. Yes, I have a bit of a town read on Stutters, but no clue what this sleeper cell business is, and sleeper cell doesn't sound town aligned.
Destroy Foolishness. It's better to be safe than sorry. Shoot Foolishness. This was part of my reason for wanting to shoot cross. I got the message saying that he wanted to kill cross six minutes after deadline when hours before the lynch people were leaning town on Cross due to how events played out. I was hesitant to pull the trigger on that until Marv said he was suspicious of Cross. I also still can't explain why he would choose me over a strong town player unless he had hopes of getting me to help him shoot a townie that no one would question. We'll see if he switched to foolish and go from there I guess.
Well whoever that guy was: I got the impression Crossfire might actually be town from the latest skim of his filter, although the posts Foolish pointed out were quite strong, there are also posts that point to him being town.... Like calling people out for suspecting Kurumi very early when it was all roleplaying.
If that guy tried to talk you into shooting me, then it's not good either. I wouldn't actually have minded cause I'm either arguing against a concrete wall or too bad to stay around if my reads are wrong so I told you you could just shoot me if you want (except for occasions where my role could prevent that).
Anyway if I could pick someone to shoot it would be yamato, cause I think he's scum. But frankly the informative aspect is very attractive not gonna lie. Killing him would absolve a lot or damn a lot.
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Then again if Foolish is town there might be some more people less vocal about his death...Not defending him, not attacking him or just a soft version of the two. But not caring about him. Voting casually. Like nuke, like darth punk, hiding in the bandwagons.
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LOL look at acro piling on the wagon. You don't think I could manufacture a case to fit in with all teh cool kids? If anything, not doing anything before I have read enough of this trash thread to actually make a contribution without faking it (which is anti town as all hell) Should be a testament to my townieness.
All the free time I have had to play mafia has gone into trying to read this monstrosity of a thread. Yes that is an excuse. Get over it. It is the truth. Now I have read enough that I have a fairly solid case that I believe in, So I will make that case.
I cannot believe sometimes how predictable people are. If I had come in here without knowing anything and made up some cases that I didn't believe in people would see me as townie for all the wrong reasons. Instead I try and make certain that any contributions I do make are useful not steeped in ignorance by taking my time and actually reading so I will be Correct. And people are up in my business.
Oh and Vivax. a case based on he doesn't do what I would do in his situation is complete crap. SMH
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On March 16 2013 10:19 yamato77 wrote:
You could die, I could die, the person you think is mafia might die
Don't wait. Any new analysis is welcome.
If you die what does it matter? other people who didn't die would judge the case on it's merits. I am not going to die. If the person who I think is mafia dies then YAY! a mafia has been shot or a townie I was about to make an incorrect case on hasn't had an incorrect case made on them.
Yeha you haven't really sold me on not waiting an hour and a half to post my case in the day.
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DP that is not the kind of post to make.
Let's see that case.
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DP Why did you waste time earlier reminding us that you didnt read the thread?
Do you think foolishness is scum? If/If not, what does that mean for marv's check.
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On March 16 2013 10:32 yamato77 wrote:
DP that is not the kind of post to make.
Let's see that case.
Care to actually say something when you are saying something? WTF is: 'That is not the kind of post to make'
If you can convince me that their is ANY value to posting my case before the daypost I will but I don't see any so far so I won't.
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I might be able to make a good reaction to it before I die
I can wait but this game is boring
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I AM MASONED TO 50 DIFFERENT PEOPLE
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