EPTIf so, I'll probably play. I can't play if it starts this weekend or before.
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If so, I'll probably play. I can't play if it starts this weekend or before. | ||
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If a blue role PM'ed scum coach for help, I'm assuming the scum coach wouldn't share that role with his scumteam though... no fun  Otherwise MINDGAMES. | ||
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On February 21 2013 03:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: if any towns pm me i will ignore you. unless you just want to say hi. Wat about SK?  + Show Spoiler + Yes I know you ignore that too (and prolly don't even know his alignment unless you are making reads in-game) | ||
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On February 22 2013 08:12 Acrofales wrote: Explorer reporting Host terran unit, confirmed for scum | ||
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On February 22 2013 08:51 Aquanim wrote: Heya Sn0Man, why aren't you playing? This playerlist could use some more... well... players. A) I've known I'm busy this weekend for a while so I've been holding off until after the weekend (don't want to be utterly AFK day 1 or whatever) B) something came up at work that makes it less likely I will seriously participate in any mafia games for the next... 2 weeks so I'm not in a hurry to sign up for this one either although it remains a possibility. | ||
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I've been following along a bit but I'll definitely have to re-read the whole thread to confirm my reads. I'll post some tidbits as I go and hopefully have something big later tonight. | ||
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On March 13 2013 08:07 geript wrote: @Sno, who are your two best targets for who is scum? If you must know, I thought you were scum but I've just been skimming. I'd be curious to hear some explanation as to why the hell you need to post about nutter-butters instead of scumhunt though... | ||
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@wave I dont see why I would post "a shit ton". I'll post as I can to contribute, but I fail to see how spamming the thread will catch scum. We have enough posters in this thread more concerned about nutter-butters than scum already... @geript while i'll grant that this doesn't exactly seem to fit your scum meta, you'd better start convincing me you are town, and be quick about it. People who don't contribute to finding scum are helping scum. I'll lynch you for that. To be fair, I may see more stuff in the pages and pages I have yet to read, but please STOP DISTRACTING ME. Thanks. | ||
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GG WoS. Can somebody research WoS interactions while I continue going through the thread? I know his filter was decently long but it could give us some vital info. | ||
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Some players have kinda piqued my interest as scummy right now. First, Geript. Day 1, town starts slow but warms up, gets focused and nails scum with a solid-contributing atmosphere where certain players stick out like sore thumbs. THIS IS THE TOWN ATMOSPHERE WE NEED. Then geript replaces in, and the nutter-butters start. Fast forward to the end of day 2 and we have lynched a townie, discussion is dying and there is a lot of uncertainty in the thread (my take on it at least). It isn't like geript created the mislynch, or made any scumslips, but in my eyes he poisoned the atmosphere enough to cloud town's perceptions. I can't really see this as anything other than scummy. Note that he replaced CoS who did very little but managed to look scummy in that time as well. Next, OmniEulogy. Yes, it certainly feels like omni has contributed a lot, but I'd contend that he has simply posted a lot. As others have said, he spent day 1 soft-defending Arctic Daishi (scum), spent day 2 pushing a mislynch really hard, and has just struck me as off throughout my read-through. Reads slightly scum but less so than geript. Most of the rest of the thread were releasing strong newbie vibes that interfered with my ability to seriously read them (on a casual read-through). I'll work on individual filters over the course of the next 30 hours or however long we have and try to give opinions on others but those 2 really stuck out. PS: Krafla is looking kinda sketchy too with his claims but I'll have to re-read the OP and figure out what the hell he's claiming. | ||
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Repeating roles probably shouldn't claim until it is either A) saving their ass or B) nailing scum. PS: Only 1 person claimed roleblock last night? So either both the RB and the JK targetted the same person (Krafla, if we believe him) OR the RB/JK prevented the other RB/JK from happening (didn't happen based on Krafla), OR either the RB or JK was a 1 shot affair (seems dumb to spend that night 1...?) I'd like to hear what other people think of the RB scenarios. Unless somebody hasn't claimed being RB'ed yet? | ||
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On March 14 2013 01:13 Krafla wrote: Nope, TRN claimed RB as well as me Oh, I didn't see that. Too much thread T_T | ||
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On March 13 2013 18:08 Krafla wrote: Because WoS flipped town [...] I'm going to have to trust WoS on this one and ##Vote: MLuneth That is pretty awful Krafla. I mean, vote whoever you want, but shit like this is how mafia can hide their votes and not get exposed. I mean, this is the sheepiest vote ever. I don't care who you are sheeping, come up with some reasons of your own. I mean, "MeatlessTaco flipped town so I'm gonna vote Rainbows because that was his last scumread", sounds like bullshit right?. Its the same case that you made here. | ||
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Also, yay activity. Lastly, why are so many people in this thread worried about their own image? That is SCUM MOTIVATED. Scum care about their image, town care about lynching scum. Get over yourselves. Don't make votes based on "Oh but I might look like I drove a mislynch" make votes based on "MUST. KILL. SCUM." | ||
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Plus, you should really avoid defending somebody until they have had a chance to defend themselves. There is *no* town reason to deflect pressure from another player, because their response is important information that town can use. Either they clear their own name and everybody is happy, or they incriminate themselves and we nail scum. Win-Win for town. It is NOT your responsibility to try and clear other peoples name (Unless ur scum trying to save a scumbuddy?) | ||
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On March 14 2013 02:31 Rainbows wrote: @MLuneth Suddenly, for zero reasoning at all, I don't want to lynch you anymore! Let's lynch Geript instead :D Nutter Butter is scum! ##Unvote ##Vote: Geript Are you even remotely for real? I mean, I'm pretty down with a Geript lynch myself, but lets get some REASONS and stuff. This is not how we make it hard for scum... | ||
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On March 14 2013 02:44 TheRavensName wrote: Given his averge posting time habit, its going to take him some time to get back to you, Wasn't MLuneth from Australia or something? On the plus side, we have 30+ hours to lynch so no crazy rush. PS: Something tells me this is just a ploy from Rainbows to get MLuneth to make a case. A noble attempt, I guess... | ||
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On March 14 2013 03:04 TheRavensName wrote: I don't know why you would say something. I reached the same conclusion but didn't want to risk ruining it. Way to go sn0 If you have to "trick" somebody into making cases it probably makes more sense to lynch them. If not, then my comment certainly shouldn't prevent MLuneth from responding in a reasonable manner. I mean, how dumb does this sound: "Hey guys, I tricked scum into making a case..." :X And as I said, if the target is town then you shouldn't need to "trick" them. | ||
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For example, where is NW? What are his thoughts on the current lynch candidates? He hasn't really posted all day... As I've said, Geript and OE look scummy to me but OE isn't posting much anymore and geript's response to me was "I've been pretty straight forward" followed up by more "Nutter butters". | ||
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@frorgon: Well I'm glad you are willing to push a read. I'm not really sold on MLuneth being too much scummier than, say, nobodywonder or krafla who are in very similar positions. I'm currently more interested in lynching geript (although he is bringing legitimate points against OE...). However, If we can't consolidate on scum anytime soon I'll have a good look at MLuneth's filter (since it really isn't that long and you are so dead-set on him). Just try not to get confirmation bias, find other scum as well. I think we all get the point that he is your top scumread. | ||
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On March 14 2013 11:42 geript wrote: @Sno. I read you well in our last game, know that the answers you seed may be found in the dark ocean. This is the bullshit that makes me want to lynch you... | ||
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On March 14 2013 13:04 TheRavensName wrote: I'm from Hive Char, and I say kill em all. While admittedly we have some leeway due to how well day/night 1 went, the "kill them all" mindset is terrible. Scum are then free to pick which one of "all" end up being the lynch target and obviously it won't be scum. Or, more clearly, time is on scum's side. If we aren't deliberate and urgent about hitting SCUM, it doesn't take that many mislynches until we get to situations where we MUST lynch scum. "Lynch both" isn't even acceptable. You *MUST* pick one and provide a good reason why it should be that one today. If you want to vote the other one the next day, that is your prerogative. | ||
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On March 14 2013 21:08 Frorgon wrote: I have a few problems with this post. One being that you want some defense from Omni before you research him. Don't wait for the defense, do research first, make a case, then ask for a defense. Back it up with a vote. If you're not gonna research anything before you hear a defense, why should Omni stop lurking? Also, I'm pretty sure referencing past games in this thread is a no-no and WoS was already warned for doing it. Referencing ONGOING games is taboo. Past games are legit. Feel free to PM a host to confirm. I'm still not 100% sold on Omni being scum, so I want to hear him defend himself. I then want to go through his filter in light of his defense and try to poke holes in it. I'd say that we have enough accusations in front of him that if he DOESN'T respond its probably correct to just lynch him. Digging through his filter and deciding that he looks townie doesn't help because again, it is absolutely not my job to deflect pressure from another player. They need to stand up to it and show us who they are. In other news, it looks like some consolidation is happening, which is good. I'll read through the cases in a bit. I never vote without very serious intent to lynch. At this point I don't feel like I can say with certainty who we should lynch today so I'm not voting until I'm reasonably sure. I still feel like somebody has got to be responsible for the mislynch yesterday and you are going to have a hard time convincing me that that is MLuneth... (I still think it's either geript for mucking up the thread or, as others are pointing out, Omni but he won't defend himself...) Actually, it feels a bit like Omni is getting out of this lynch by... being afk? :/ So we target somebody else because they respond... (admittedly, MLuneth seems to be digging himself a hole every time he opens his mouth). PS: I haven't made any real cases because I wanted to experience how all of you are playing in real time. Re-reading the thread and/or simple filter-diving leaves out a lot of important context. As I feel like I'm getting a better grip on players I feel like I can make decent cases that have a real chance of nailing scum. | ||
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Bduddy, who has done stone nothing all game, has received a completely free ride. Day 1, he lurks around and is "busy IRL" (often true but also often a scum excuse to lurk). He eventually gets on the popular wagon after AD essentially scum-claims. After day 1 he has successfully blended in and looks pretty null. Night 1, he posts some silly garbage about ##Unvoting and stuff, no real contribution ("Saving it for the day" or some garbage). Day 2, he is quick to cast suspicion on a perfectly legitimate blue-claim by Krafla. When there is an uncontested blue claim, that is a pretty easy confirmed town since it's pretty suicidal to false-claim there as scum. Bduddy doesn't want Krafla's claim to be accepted, despite the fact that it is an uncontested blue claim. Thats REALLY scummy. Beyond that, Bduddy feels the need to post things like this: On March 10 2013 11:26 bduddy wrote: The main difference was that CoS posted nothing, AD posted scummy posts. CoS definitely needs to remain under suspicion, but it's possible at this point that he's just away from the Internet for some reason. Cluttering up the thread with comments on somebody who just replaced out. Admittedly this could be a simple mistake but it still doesn't look very good. Next up, bduddy's day 2 vote: On March 11 2013 06:35 bduddy wrote: ...yeah, that does make sense as well, I had forgotten about your post. Sorry for acting like such an idiot, I'm just not used to playing with roles like this (or serious Mafia games at all, really). Considering that all of my other cases have been shit, I'm starting to come around to the arguments about MeatlessTaco. In fact, until he comes up with some good answers, ##Vote: MeatlessTaco First, he plays the noob card. "Im sorry i'm bad and my cases are bad don't hold me to standards just let me be useless to town"... Next, Blatant sheep: "I trust you guys my cases are bad here let me sound legit as I put my vote on a Town player" What kind of garbage is that? He never even attempts to justify this vote, he just leaves it there while also pointing fingers at virtually half the thread with posts like: On March 11 2013 06:52 bduddy wrote: Don't worry, I'm still keeping my eye on OE - we have time, after all. But MT's posting has just been terrible in general, and I want to see what he has to say about the accusations against him. And On March 11 2013 10:43 bduddy wrote: I mean... Matriarch also is by far the worst lurker left. If she comes back in a similar manner as AD, well, hopefully we can end up with the same result (unless scum/AWOLs mean we can't switch fast enough...) Then, On March 11 2013 15:13 bduddy wrote: ...WTF is up with you? I know you've been active (occasionally) and tried to provoke responses out of people, but you're getting ridiculous at this point, and I don't mean ridiculously helpful. Nowhere is he trying to push a read, he's just throwing shit everywhere. And nobody calls him out on it anymore (after his previous "I'm so sorry I noob let me sheep plz" vote on taco everybody was content that he had his vote down... derp). Immediately after the mislynch he is super-eager to get matriarch mod-killed instead of replaced, with posts like On March 12 2013 10:48 bduddy wrote: Going by the rules Matriarch has to be modkilled, so that will also be... somewhat useful, at least. and On March 13 2013 02:45 bduddy wrote:I don't want to try to get too much into the motivations of the host, but it seems more likely that he would refuse to modkill Matriarch if she was mafia Its fairly clear that Bduddy is a bit over-interested in getting people mod-killed instead of a more town-favoured replacement (modkills are statistically more likely to harm town than help them). Since then, he has made a total of 5 posts. The first was "Sn0_man make posts plz". Okay bro, thanks for the tip... :/ The next 2 were yet another blatant attempt to discredit our uncontested blue claim... (seriously, scum don't blue-claim like that. It makes no sense). The last 2 took an entire day to make between them... one was trying to describe Rainbow's silly vote on geript as "Pressuring" MLuneth... basically not a post. The last one was this: On March 14 2013 15:02 bduddy wrote: I agree with Rainbow's case on MLuneth, his last post was just ridiculous. His AD "coin flip" vote seems suspicious to me (an easy way to say "but I voted for him early!" (ed. note: saying you're voting for someone because of a coin flip and then quickly switching is not a good way to "pressure" someone) and his last post just makes absolutely no sense in the context of what he actually did D1. He never switched his vote back to AD, and has been defending OE (who I'm still very suspicious of) for the whole game. Also, he hasn't contributed particularly much in general; his incredibly weak "case" on geript is based mostly on more OE defending and the fact that he voted MT... you know, like most of the rest of the town. ##Vote: MLuneth Back to sheepville where he basically copy+pastes the highlights of rainbows case and calls it a wrap. Calls out MLuneth for making a weak case despite not having made any real case since... Day 1. Happy to park his vote on what is clearly the going wagon at the moment. This just strikes me wrong. At this point, I'm having a hard time really deciding who I think is most likely to be scum. Really, I'd like to lynch geript today for blatantly shitting up the thread, but that clearly isn't going to happen. I honestly think Bduddy is more likely to be scum than either Omni or MLuneth, so I'm presenting my case on him, but there seems to be a lot of confirmation bias going on in this thread already directed at those 2. Again, I'll revisit omni once he returns to the thread, and while I don't disagree with some of the points brought up on MLuneth his lynch just looks too easy right now. It might be the right one, but in all my previous games the easy wagon has been the wrong one. PS: Oh god that was long | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:05 geript wrote: Yah, Sno, I was looking at him last night when I looked at Luneth. I didn't want to bring him up yet to disrupt the Luneth lynch, but he's definitely in my "zone" for tomorrow. On March 15 2013 02:04 Rainbows wrote: ^ I was thinking along the same lines with bduddys vote on MLuneth which was shady as fuck. It's not a bad case. But imo everything comes back to the NW votes, where people on it were trying to push the mislynch rather than the scum lynch. 3 people left (sides the 1 blue)... In short, we should lynch MLuneth today. If he flips scum, I have his scumbuddy pinned methinks. If he's town, I need to rethink the entire game, and dbuddy is a good start to be doing that. But I don't think MLuneth flips town here, ever. ORLY? Nobody had even posted a whiff of suspicion in his direction all game (except some silly "pressure" votes early D1 when he was full-on lurker mode). EVERYBODY deserves to be pressured, to see how they react. Also geript, You've been pushing an OE lynch forever, then all of a sudden you "Don't want to disrupt the Luneth lynch" but somebody you never mentioned is "in your zone for tomorrow". Will you ever contribute to this game? I still don't see why nobody else wants to lynch you... :/ | ||
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On March 15 2013 03:11 Acrofales wrote: Vote Count OmniEulogy (2): MLuneth (6): Frorgon, Krafla, geript (1): No vote: sn0_man, OmniEulogy MLuneth is currently set to be lynched. ~7 hours until the deadline. Voting is mandatory. Please remember to bold your votes, and to unvote if you've previously voted for someone else. If there's a mistake, let me know! Shouldn't OmniEulogy be at (1) not (2)? | ||
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On March 15 2013 03:55 OmniEulogy wrote: Hey guys sorry for the absence, my house got fumigated and it took a few days for the fumes to clear out to a non-poisonous level. I've explained it to Acro so if I'm mod-killed it's pretty understandable as I believe I've missed a full night cycle and 24 hours of D2/D3's cycles. I won't even touch on the game till Acro lets me know what his decision is but I figure I owe an explanation. I believe if you post a vote you are within the activity levels required and shouldn't get modkilled but I suppose I should let acro adress that fully. I'm glad to hear you are alive. On the other hand, there are a lot of outstanding cases against you that are lent a lot of weight by your silence... | ||
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No plagiarism (aka sheeping), Original research is required. If somebody else gives you an idea, thats fine but you gotta go pursue it and, well, make original content. | ||
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However, just trying to survive is once again scummy. Town don't care about survival, they care about lynching scum. Town loses if it can't identify and lynch scum. Mafia only care about survival, because they don't need to lynch anybody in particular to win. I'd say your play lines up a lot more with survival play than scumhunting play. Most of your excuses/justifications are pretty null, could be town could be mafia. The motivation behind your play remains (IMO) scummy. | ||
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On March 15 2013 06:05 OmniEulogy wrote: I was actually going to touch on this after I had finished cleaning a bit more but I'm happy to get it out of the way right now. IMO either 1 of us are scum or both of are. Luneth's recent attempts to save me (although I love him for it as a person) rub me the wrong way. I believe Luneth is scum and is trying to paint me red for when he flips. Not very hard for him to do if he defends me for the remainder of this day. The only thing I can say to this is lynch Luneth first. He was my #2 scum read behind Taco, Taco is gone and nobody has taken his place. This makes Luneth my #1 and Geript is my #2 scum read. I believe Luneth will flip scum and it will still put me in a very difficult position but with only 1 scum remaining at that point I wouldn't mind taking one for the team given my recent inactivity and all I would ask in this scenario is that people start looking for the last scum with me under the assumption that when I get lynched D4 I will flip green and the game will continue. Which is exactly what will happen. I've been looking for ways to find the last scum after Luneth flips and I believe it will be Geript. I will be pushing for his lynch D4 as Chew was extremely scummy and Geript has done very little to change that. Anyway it's my belief that Luneth is defending me in order to get me lynched D4 by association and try to make people believe that I have been bussing him for quite awhile. ##Vote: Luneth is this the opposite of an OMGUS? I like you Luneth, but I think you are scum Wow, that post was incredibly Martyr-like. Yuckkkkkkkkkk. Thats like, the saddest defense of anything ever. "I was gonna touch on this later, but I'm like almost certainly scum. Please don't lynch me just lynch this other guy first". WTF? | ||
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We have just over 3 hours to lynch. At this point, OmniEulogy has come back but instead of presenting a defense he has basically conceded. I had other reads, and other comments, but I don't see how town can let this fly. ##Vote: OmniEulogy For refusing to seriously answer all the accusations, and for that horrible, horrible martyr post. I don't see how you can be town anymore. | ||
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I'll admit that it may have been a somewhat emotional reaction to Omni's re-entry, but I fail to see how that excuses him. Martyring like that is utterly unacceptable. I can't in any good conscience vote anybody else today. So my vote stands. I'd encourage you guys to take out Omni as well, for the shit he just pulled, although at this stage I wont fault anybody for voting MLuneth either (I did a quick jaunt through his filter in the downtime. I have no idea how you guys didn't lynch him yesterday... oh yeah that comes back to Omni too). See you guys post lynch. | ||
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If you guys don't want to post too much before the night action deadline thats fine but I thought that we established that in order to make it hard for scum to blend in (something which we are clearly succeeding at), legitimate, well thought out cases were a pre-requisite to accusations this game. | ||
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Beyond that, your entire post is hilariously confirmation biased. When I came into the thread the *only* thing happening was geript offering nutter-butters to everybody who agreed with him. People asked me for scumreads so I tossed out my early suspicions, how on earth is that scummy? Maybe this is a consequence of subbing in during a quiet night but it looked to me like geript had legitimately stifled discussion with his ridiculous shitposting. I still don't see how his posts could possibly be town motivated but with presumably 1 scum left obviously some of my suspicions rest on town players. I'll say that geript has worked hard to make legitimate contributions since I called him out so hard on his posting. Lots of people brought up legitimate concerns on Omni but I certainly wasn't the one trying to push his lynch until he marched into the thread and posted one of the worst posts I've seen ever. If you want to lay that on me then I'm not sure what thread you've been reading. The bduddy case was a result of my inital thoughts that bduddy/nobodywonder/mluneth all looked like kinda scummy lurkers, but I didn't see much to differentiate them. When it looked like one of them was a serious lynch target I started to look at all of them to see if I could justify voting out MLuneth over his 2 doppelgangers and honestly the case against bduddy made itself. I hadn't finished looking at the rest because I wanted to at least put some pressure on bduddy. But hey, I guess a willingness to create original cases and not just sheep onto others makes me scum suspect #1... | ||
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My point on bduddy was the only post he could remotely point to as "scumhunting" in a long stretch of his filter was throwing suspicion at Krafla, + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 11:33 bduddy wrote: At this point I'm most worried about Krafla. A first day of few, useless posts, except an out-of-nowhere, poorly justified, and essentially bandwagoning vote of NW, followed by that whole story about being a one-shot cop. I'm also worried about this: WTF does that mean? The point of this game is to lynch the mafia, not to lynch the most interesting people. Yes, his story does somewhat make sense (I was lurking because I was a blue), but at the same time, why did he continue to lurk so much if he was only a one-shotter, planning to use his power at his first opportunity, and was never under real threat? It does seem like a waste of a risky fakeclaim to simply say "I was roleblocked", but that could just be Krafla playing it safe, or playing badly. Either way, I'm not gonna spend this entire night defending myself, it doesn't get us anywhere. Thankfully we have an 8-1 advantage on scum so we can afford this bullshit. | ||
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On March 16 2013 02:06 TheRavensName wrote: It can get you out of the gallows and could get the scum if they are attacking you... especially sense its night and there ant shit to do anyways.Ontop of this.... look at this thread, everyone whos said the "I'm not defending myself anymore fuck you guys." has gotten lynched. You... you sure you wanna play that way? You were nice enough to point out were 8/1. I dunno, Omni posted that shit and walked away clean. Either way, I posted my defense, I'm not rehashing it 5 times just because 5 different people want to sheep the case on me. Everything I've done has been legit town-motivated, although with confirmation-bias you can make anything look like some sort of weird scum-plan. The flip on MLuneth makes me look bad the way the flip on Taco made OE look bad, but somehow its lynchville for me and lurkville for OE. I'm not gonna pretend to understand the reasoning here. | ||
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On March 19 2013 01:05 Frorgon wrote: I'm still wondering how Matriarch managed to guess properly to roleblock you. I wonder that too XD. The scum QT wasn't much help going in and it wasn't all that much help going forward either (Although the coaches definitely offered what assistance they can in that situation). Me and MLuneth were legitimately never on at the same time to discuss anything. The last night kill thrown at frogron was based on the idea that if it went through, rainbows would call me innocent, plus I didn't really want to kill the guy who was obviously suspecting me. Killing a clear-thinking townie who isn't tunnelling me looks better. I could have tried a WIFOM that scum didn't have to NK last night since I was a free mislynch today whereas if he NK'd then I was confirmed town, but that wasn't really gonna fly. Even though the reasoning is actually sound, there was just no way I wasn't getting lynched. PS: I'm never active on weekends, so that is part of why the concession was late (and why I basically didn't even read the thread to see what the night actions were, although to be fair I knew what the results were). | ||
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