|
On March 09 2013 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well here's a problem I see. I don't want NW lynched today but since all of the lurkers have piled on top of him, he's currently going to die in 3.5 hours. Since they're lurkers we can't necessarily expect them to come back and change their votes. We're going to have to consolidate our votes to ONE other person to make sure that if there are more scum among the active posters than lurkers, they can't come back and hammer the vote in on NW.
I'm not sold on Taco yet, and I would like to lynch Daishi as of now, though I might consider Chew. Thoughts, active (hopefully) townies?
I agree that Daishi is a pretty vibrant target. I was going to favor Chew over him until his more recent attempts to return to reactivity, given hes just jumping on a bandwaggon and not making an explination for himself before vanishing again.... However, I don't want to see NW lynched anymore either, and given that chew is much closer to lynching, I'm tempted to leave my vote on him untill we get a majority set on daishi. I'm going to say Daishi in particular over someone like Luneth or Frorgon, I don't think theres enough to go after either of them and be sure anyways....
Side note about Arctic, I do love that he is the last person on the vote for every vote hes ever casted, and peels off as soon as another band wagon seems good enough.
|
I'd like Chew, Matriarch, MLuneth, Krafla to respond. They haven't said anything since their votes. Otherwise town gets no info from my lynch.
I second Omni's post about Arctic. I have to say you won't get any information from an Arctic lynch. On this basis, Frogron, you should change your vote on bduddy. for all your talk about contributions and your contributions in comparison to other posters such as bduddy and Arctic, you really need to make a stand
|
On March 09 2013 06:43 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well here's a problem I see. I don't want NW lynched today but since all of the lurkers have piled on top of him, he's currently going to die in 3.5 hours. Since they're lurkers we can't necessarily expect them to come back and change their votes. We're going to have to consolidate our votes to ONE other person to make sure that if there are more scum among the active posters than lurkers, they can't come back and hammer the vote in on NW.
I'm not sold on Taco yet, and I would like to lynch Daishi as of now, though I might consider Chew. Thoughts, active (hopefully) townies? I agree that Daishi is a pretty vibrant target. I was going to favor Chew over him until his more recent attempts to return to reactivity, given hes just jumping on a bandwaggon and not making an explination for himself before vanishing again.... However, I don't want to see NW lynched anymore either, and given that chew is much closer to lynching, I'm tempted to leave my vote on him untill we get a majority set on daishi. I'm going to say Daishi in particular over someone like Luneth or Frorgon, I don't think theres enough to go after either of them and be sure anyways.... Side note about Arctic, I do love that he is the last person on the vote for every vote hes ever casted, and peels off as soon as another band wagon seems good enough.
Could you look over my case on Taco and see what you think  I want to nail this S.O.B over NW or Arctic if we can but I'm going to need the majority of us to consolidate in order to do that. I believe you have it right here "I'm going to say Daishi in particular over someone like Luneth or Frorgon, I don't think theres enough to go after either of them and be sure anyways...."
But is Arctic really that much of a larger scum read? I'd wager no. They all seem scummy but the lurkers CAN'T all be scum.
|
On March 09 2013 06:40 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well here's a problem I see. I don't want NW lynched today but since all of the lurkers have piled on top of him, he's currently going to die in 3.5 hours. Since they're lurkers we can't necessarily expect them to come back and change their votes. We're going to have to consolidate our votes to ONE other person to make sure that if there are more scum among the active posters than lurkers, they can't come back and hammer the vote in on NW.
I'm not sold on Taco yet, and I would like to lynch Daishi as of now, though I might consider Chew. Thoughts, active (hopefully) townies? The only problem I have with an Arctic lynch today is that there is almost nothing that separates him from bduddy, Chew and Frorgon. Where I see Taco as being very clearly the only person who has put themselves in a very compromising situation and just looks like scum trying to pretend to stay active. What is Arctic is just another bad townie? There's nothing to prove that he is really scum vs bad townie. Where with Taco I can very clearly see a scum read. Thats why I've also switched my vote from Frorgon, very much the same situation. When all the lurkers seem scummy a miss-lynch is much more likely vs a semi-active scum read.
But see that's the thing. MeatlessTaco hasn't posted in forever, so if he was just 'pretending' to be active early so he could lurk late, well, we don't know that yet. We'll see if he returns. As for Daishi, he lurked early and is clearly here, but putting in the minimal effort to look like he is contributing right now.
And THIS post is a gem, I can't believe I missed this.
On March 09 2013 06:43 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well here's a problem I see. I don't want NW lynched today but since all of the lurkers have piled on top of him, he's currently going to die in 3.5 hours. Since they're lurkers we can't necessarily expect them to come back and change their votes. We're going to have to consolidate our votes to ONE other person to make sure that if there are more scum among the active posters than lurkers, they can't come back and hammer the vote in on NW.
I'm not sold on Taco yet, and I would like to lynch Daishi as of now, though I might consider Chew. Thoughts, active (hopefully) townies? I agree that Daishi is a pretty vibrant target. I was going to favor Chew over him until his more recent attempts to return to reactivity, given hes just jumping on a bandwaggon and not making an explination for himself before vanishing again.... However, I don't want to see NW lynched anymore either, and given that chew is much closer to lynching, I'm tempted to leave my vote on him untill we get a majority set on daishi. I'm going to say Daishi in particular over someone like Luneth or Frorgon, I don't think theres enough to go after either of them and be sure anyways.... Side note about Arctic, I do love that he is the last person on the vote for every vote hes ever casted, and peels off as soon as another band wagon seems good enough.
Good work, TRN.
|
On March 09 2013 06:45 nobodywonder wrote:
I'd like Chew, Matriarch, MLuneth, Krafla to respond. They haven't said anything since their votes. Otherwise town gets no info from my lynch.
I second Omni's post about Arctic. I have to say you won't get any information from an Arctic lynch. On this basis, Frogron, you should change your vote on bduddy. for all your talk about contributions and your contributions in comparison to other posters such as bduddy and Arctic, you really need to make a stand
I agree with your second point, not your first. We're not lynching for information, we're lynching to eliminate scum. If we hit scum D1 then we're that much closer to winning.
|
Oh, that wasn't very clear.
I agree with Frorgon having to move his vote, not with your agreement with OE's post.
|
I think it's entirely possible that it's just a bad townie. I am also willing to change my vote, although I agree with Wave's assessment that I am not entirely sold on Meatless yet.
But basically right now it seems as if my vote on bduddy is going to be pretty useless, though a vote on nobodywonder seems to be the easy way out. The case against him gets weaker by the moment.
|
Edit: when referencing a possible bad townie I meant Arctic.
|
On March 09 2013 06:49 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 06:45 nobodywonder wrote:
I'd like Chew, Matriarch, MLuneth, Krafla to respond. They haven't said anything since their votes. Otherwise town gets no info from my lynch.
I second Omni's post about Arctic. I have to say you won't get any information from an Arctic lynch. On this basis, Frogron, you should change your vote on bduddy. for all your talk about contributions and your contributions in comparison to other posters such as bduddy and Arctic, you really need to make a stand
I agree with your second point, not your first. We're not lynching for information, we're lynching to eliminate scum. If we hit scum D1 then we're that much closer to winning.
Raven did make a really good observation, and I optimistically really hope we're just arguing over which scum to lynch but as I said before I really doubt it's going to be that easy. The issue is that if we lynch Arctic and he flips town we've wasted D1. Because the information we get from lynching a town Arctic is absolutely nothing. In that sense NW is right.
|
On March 09 2013 06:50 Frorgon wrote:
I think it's entirely possible that it's just a bad townie. I am also willing to change my vote, although I agree with Wave's assessment that I am not entirely sold on Meatless yet.
But basically right now it seems as if my vote on bduddy is going to be pretty useless, though a vote on nobodywonder seems to be the easy way out. The case against him gets weaker by the moment.
Either NW learned how to play scum over the period of the last 4 hours or he's coming out of his shell as a townie. He's accurately explaining himself as well, also his defense of Arctic rather than jumping on an easy target to get people off his back isn't very characteristic of mafia, it doesn't clear Arctic of anything but it makes NW look much better.
I'm still going to push for Taco's lynch but if it comes down to needing a vote to save NW vs Arctic I'll consider it, my vote stays on Taco as the scummiest player in the game though.
|
On March 09 2013 06:46 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 06:43 TheRavensName wrote:On March 09 2013 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well here's a problem I see. I don't want NW lynched today but since all of the lurkers have piled on top of him, he's currently going to die in 3.5 hours. Since they're lurkers we can't necessarily expect them to come back and change their votes. We're going to have to consolidate our votes to ONE other person to make sure that if there are more scum among the active posters than lurkers, they can't come back and hammer the vote in on NW.
I'm not sold on Taco yet, and I would like to lynch Daishi as of now, though I might consider Chew. Thoughts, active (hopefully) townies? I agree that Daishi is a pretty vibrant target. I was going to favor Chew over him until his more recent attempts to return to reactivity, given hes just jumping on a bandwaggon and not making an explination for himself before vanishing again.... However, I don't want to see NW lynched anymore either, and given that chew is much closer to lynching, I'm tempted to leave my vote on him untill we get a majority set on daishi. I'm going to say Daishi in particular over someone like Luneth or Frorgon, I don't think theres enough to go after either of them and be sure anyways.... Side note about Arctic, I do love that he is the last person on the vote for every vote hes ever casted, and peels off as soon as another band wagon seems good enough. Could you look over my case on Taco and see what you think I want to nail this S.O.B over NW or Arctic if we can but I'm going to need the majority of us to consolidate in order to do that. I believe you have it right here "I'm going to say Daishi in particular over someone like Luneth or Frorgon, I don't think theres enough to go after either of them and be sure anyways...." But is Arctic really that much of a larger scum read? I'd wager no. They all seem scummy but the lurkers CAN'T all be scum.
Well thats true, but most of the lurkers have redeaming qualities or have at least attempted to make cases. I haven't shot recently at bduddy, rainbow, or Krafia for that reason. They haven't done anything either way. But Arctic will post one line for a vote once someone has made a case, then change it at the next case once the previous wagon is losing steam. And when people ask him for extra information he'll just disappear again. That seems scummy to me, or at least a bad enough town it would do some serriousy damage.
At least meatless has had some good points, as you pointed out in your first analysis. I don't see his vote on Chew as hypocritical or scummy. He just has an issue with chew making the excuse that could easily be pointed back at him when it comes to NW. I think his obsession with votes is a good thing, it shows he wanted people to be active and scum hunting based off those early votes. I don't like that hes been lurking lately but I think hes more grey then red.
|
Alright in a bid to get you to change your vote (not that I don't think Taco looks bad):
What would we learn from Taco's lynch.
Assume he is scum and he has just flipped. What have we now learned?
|
##Unvote
##Vote: MeatlessTaco
I am going to take a stand now to see if we can get more people onboard. I think nobodywonder does make a good point that we don't gain much information from lynching Arctic D1. I do find it curious that Meatless has disappeared after getting everyone to antagonize NW, maybe thinking that his job was done for the day. Lets see if he can defend himself.
|
On March 09 2013 06:58 Frorgon wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: MeatlessTaco
I am going to take a stand now to see if we can get more people onboard. I think nobodywonder does make a good point that we don't gain much information from lynching Arctic D1. I do find it curious that Meatless has disappeared after getting everyone to antagonize NW, maybe thinking that his job was done for the day. Lets see if he can defend himself.
If we Lynch Arctic and he comes up Red though, we get a good deal out of it. Especially sense Meatless was pushing for us to forget about him cause he would just be replaced.
|
@Raven that is very true. Arctic you really do need to improve your play and soon. However as for Meat, while he did provoke discussion, there was no real direction so it seems somewhat scummy.
On March 09 2013 07:00 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 06:58 Frorgon wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: MeatlessTaco
I am going to take a stand now to see if we can get more people onboard. I think nobodywonder does make a good point that we don't gain much information from lynching Arctic D1. I do find it curious that Meatless has disappeared after getting everyone to antagonize NW, maybe thinking that his job was done for the day. Lets see if he can defend himself. If we Lynch Arctic and he comes up Red though, we get a good deal out of it. Especially sense Meatless was pushing for us to forget about him cause he would just be replaced.
holy shit, good catch Raven, this could be golden.
|
On March 09 2013 07:00 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 06:58 Frorgon wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: MeatlessTaco
I am going to take a stand now to see if we can get more people onboard. I think nobodywonder does make a good point that we don't gain much information from lynching Arctic D1. I do find it curious that Meatless has disappeared after getting everyone to antagonize NW, maybe thinking that his job was done for the day. Lets see if he can defend himself. If we Lynch Arctic and he comes up Red though, we get a good deal out of it. Especially sense Meatless was pushing for us to forget about him cause he would just be replaced.
I'm writing down my answer to your question now WoS but first I wanna nip this, Please don't start trying to make association cases pre-flip, Once I see this shit I can't unsee it and it starts to subconsciously control the way I make my cases and how I vote  in this case though it hurts both of them imo and doesn't make either of them look any more town, but pleaseee don't make association cases before the flip.
On the plus side I continue to believe that Raven is just newb townie. Everything he has done points in that direction as far as strange questions/acts ect. so in his own way he's proven his innocence (slightly) to me.
|
On March 09 2013 04:49 OmniEulogy wrote:I'm also quite worried about Taco. His actions so far are a mixture of scum/town so I can't get a good read on him. We have his opening joke vote, which alone I have no problem with Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 14:47 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 07 2013 14:06 WaveofShadow wrote:My GOD this thread is exciting.  On March 07 2013 14:17 nobodywonder wrote:
woo! ~ exciting game Nobody's only post is sheeping the experienced guy adding no new content of his own? Now you can lurk and say "I would have contributed if the game were more exciting?" That seems pretty anti-town to me. ##Vote: nobodywonder Now it's more exciting. However we do end up sticking on NW through pressure of other people so he never actually has to vote. He uses this as an excuse to pressure others to place votes on people when he himself never actually made a serious vote. Keep in mind how early in the game these posts are. Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 15:49 MeatlessTaco wrote:
Matriarch / Krafla:
If I held a gun to you head noose around your neck and made you pick someone to lynch instead of yourself, who would it be?
Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 17:05 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 07 2013 17:01 Krafla wrote:On March 07 2013 15:49 MeatlessTaco wrote:
Matriarch / Krafla:
If I held a gun to you head noose around your neck and made you pick someone to lynch instead of yourself, who would it be?
Point taken, I guess I'd have to pick someone randomly, so probably someone that hasn't posted yet, Arctic Daishi?! Why are you afraid to take a position? Are you going to vote for Arctic Daishi or just write his name with a question mark? I feel that Krafla here was trying to apply pressure the Arctic who had yet said anything at all but Taco tries to pressure him to vote for somebody who hasn't said a single word so far? that's sketchy so early on in the game. Makes it seem like he doesn't care who is voting for who. Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 17:13 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 07 2013 17:08 Krafla wrote:On March 07 2013 17:05 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 07 2013 17:01 Krafla wrote:On March 07 2013 15:49 MeatlessTaco wrote:
Matriarch / Krafla:
If I held a gun to you head noose around your neck and made you pick someone to lynch instead of yourself, who would it be?
Point taken, I guess I'd have to pick someone randomly, so probably someone that hasn't posted yet, Arctic Daishi?! Why are you afraid to take a position? Are you going to vote for Arctic Daishi or just write his name with a question mark? Nope, I'm not going to vote yet, I want to make an educated decision of who to vote for instead of flinging dirt and seeing what sticks Take a stand. Are you going to side with me trying to lynch someone acting suspicious or side with nobodywonder trying to lynch a lurker who can't defend themselves? This is TL Mafia which is serious stuff. You aren't allowed to be Switzerland. Again goes after Krafla early on, Why is Taco so obsessed with getting people to vote? The game isn't even through the first 24 hours. Town doesn't need to throw votes out so quickly, they need to think about their actions as Krafla is doing. This raises more questions about how much Taco actually cares who gets lynched. And then we have these back-to-back posts. Holy Shit Hypocrisy. Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 10:35 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 08 2013 03:08 ChewOnStu wrote:
Im finding nobodywonder scummy too for complaining about lurkers not contributing yet he's barely contributed anything himself.
##vote: nobodywonder
... Why are you bandwagoning on NW while your only contribution is couple of trite posts about your lurker policy? Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 14:06 MeatlessTaco wrote:
You are right. His behavior is unacceptable so far. You got anything to add Chew?
##Vote: ChewOnStu His FIRST real vote is a complete sheep with nothing to add about why Chew is scum. Does he really care who gets lynched? This doesn't take away from the good points he's made and some of his questions have been really good... but the inconsistency is there.
I've been re-reading the thread, only on page 25, trying to hurry up and then double check Frogron's and Chew's filters. I think the NW lynch has served its purpose.
My defense quickly:
My first read was picking someone was was scummy with very little information. I've been consistent in the opinion that without an instant lynch, vote for people, don't make long-winded threads saying "I don't like A, but B is bad, but maybe C".
The thread had very little content. I wanted people to make a stand.
Someone already caught on to this and I asked me if I really thought NW was my best scum read. I responded with how I had planned on attacking Raven, but it didn't play out like I wanted.
The second I thought someone would be a better lynch than NW I switched my vote. I might switch from Chew to Frogron in a few minutes or I might not, I gotta read the last few pages and then take a look at their filters and my notes.
TLDR: a bunch of lurkers saying "A or B or C might be bad, I dunno" isn't helpful.
|
This is true Raven. But it's a big risk because if he doesn't come up red we gain absolutely nothing. Lynching Meatless would give us some info either way. At this point I think we just need to come to a consensus to avoid lynching NW. A lynch on Arctic would at least be better than that, so I am open to the possibility.
That being said, I'd really like to see what the people who voted NW have to say now. A lot has changed since then and I'd like to see any new thoughts they might have.
|
THERE's the man of the hour.
Now the fun can really begin.
|
Alright let's see:
OE, I was about to post what you did. If we lynch Daishi Taco could very easily still be town, having simply meant he didn't expect Daishi to show up at all.
Now as for Taco:
Good to see you've returned in your hour of need. Now as for your defense---I'm willing to believe it, but this is a newbie game. Gambits are stupid because you can't expect people to behave exactly the way you want them to, ie. you're about to get yourself lynched. What you SHOULD be doing is what you should have been doing from the start: scumhunting. Now that all of these bandwagons have been started for you (I see you only made it to the point in the thread where Frorgon/Chew are the topics of the day) you seem to want to immediately choose one and be done with it.
That's not going to be good enough for us, I'll tell you that right now. I expect cases and I expect them hours ago. Enough evidence has been posted against Arctic (doubt you'll get much more considering his filter) I want to hear another scumread or an analysis of someone else's case. Preferably both.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
