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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
##Vote: Arctic Daishi Just going to change this while its on my mind. I'm pretty certain now hes a much better hit then Chew, but I'm not entirerly convined on Meatless for the reasons I've suggested already. But... lets see what he can give us to confirm this indifferance or change it to guilt now that hes here. | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
On March 09 2013 07:07 WaveofShadow wrote: THERE's the man of the hour. Now the fun can really begin. now that he's posted I'm just going to shorten it to - we could have seen how he interacted with people including some of the lurkers, vs Arctic not talking to anybody and saying my case seemed good. lol Also I don't think we need to worry about lurkers posting about who they think is scummy with A B C ect. because the whole problem we face with lurkers is that they give us no information on anybody ever. The sheep their votes and go back to lurking, so forcing them to vote for somebody doesn't exactly help. They are still lurkers =/ | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On March 09 2013 07:12 TheRavensName wrote: ##unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi Just going to change this while its on my mind. I'm pretty certain now hes a much better hit then Chew, but I'm not entirerly convined on Meatless for the reasons I've suggested already. But... lets see what he can give us to confirm this indifferance or change it to guilt now that hes here. I was just about to ask why your vote was still on Chew. I'm gonna have to go with OE on your towniness at this point, not that it should really concern us to confirm town at this point in the game. Just waitin' on Taco and the lurkers, now. And I suppose NW. | ||
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
On March 09 2013 06:57 WaveofShadow wrote: We've learned that there is one fewer scum in the game and that we're way closer to winning. How is that not a great thing?Alright in a bid to get you to change your vote (not that I don't think Taco looks bad): What would we learn from Taco's lynch. Assume he is scum and he has just flipped. What have we now learned? Arctic is seriously lurking hardcore though (yes, I understand the irony. I just got done with a job interview that got pushed back from earlier today), and his few posts look like lame attempts to jump on a bandwagon or to look active. I'm also very suspicious of how Arctic and OE seem to be mutually defending each other. For example: AD wrote: You seemed rather hostile against Omni, who was very active in investigating people. Perhaps to stop his investigation?. AD wrote:The Omni's case against Frorgon is simply too great to ignore. OE wrote: @MLuneth Could you expand on why you chose Arctic to vote on when there were others (bduddy, ChewOnStu) without any content as well. Other than it just being a coin flip. @Krafla+ Show Spoiler + karla @Rainbows You mention Luneth being scummy, what do you think about his vote on Arctic? As Arctic has yet to show up, do you think it is more town oriented (trying to get a lurker to post) or scummy (attacking the easiest player early on in hopes that Arctic doesn't defend himself). @Arctic Can give us your thoughts on what has happened so far and answer most of the questions I have asked to the others. [LOL that's the best you can do?] [others omitted] OE wrote: I agree with you there, I don't think the vote makes much sense either and I'm trying to decide on if he just attacked an easy player or not, and if Arctic never does contest it it would be very easy for scum to latch onto him early and ride D1 out safely that way. I just re-read the first few pages and he does explain why he didn't vote for NW but considering he does that and then puts a serious vote on Arctic... I can see misguided townie and scum motivation behind it. OE wrote:EBWOP: What if* arctic is just another bad townie I agree with TRN's recent posts and understand that what I was going off of may have been wrong. For now, even if I'm suspicious of OE, Arctic will be totally useless to us even if he is town, OE at least posts. ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi | ||
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Frorgon
United States146 Posts
Since there's already 3 votes his way it may be a good choice. And I've never been entirely sure on Meatless. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On March 09 2013 07:15 bduddy wrote: We've learned that there is one fewer scum in the game and that we're way closer to winning. How is that not a great thing? Arctic is seriously lurking hardcore though (yes, I understand the irony. I just got done with a job interview that got pushed back from earlier today), and his few posts look like lame attempts to jump on a bandwagon or to look active. I'm also very suspicious of how Arctic and OE seem to be mutually defending each other. For example: I agree with TRN's recent posts and understand that what I was going off of may have been wrong. For now, even if I'm suspicious of OE, Arctic will be totally useless to us even if he is town, OE at least posts. ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi Oooo, the plot thickens. I'm inclined to believe that this may be coincidence since OE's posts were early on (that list post of questions is useless) and AD has proven to just buddy up and bandwagon whoever he finds best at the time, but how's THAT for information we learn, OE? | ||
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nobodywonder
United States848 Posts
I'll be rereading filters and get the scumhunting going. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On March 09 2013 07:16 Frorgon wrote: Now looking at ChewOnStu's filter, it looks really bad. Some inital posting, then a vote. Nothing since then. Some talk too on lurkers and that voting for them is bad. Since there's already 3 votes his way it may be a good choice. And I've never been entirely sure on Meatless. I think a Chew vote is wrong for the same reason a Taco vote was wrong. Posting a ton and then disappearing doesn't really help us out, a lurk is still a lurk. Better to vote someone who has attempted more recently to look townie (and failed). Also for the purposes of consolidation, I could've sworn we were trying to get either Taco or Daishi lynched right now? | ||
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Frorgon
United States146 Posts
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Frorgon
United States146 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
I guess if I look at it from a point that Arctic wouldn't vote on his own scum buddies, we might be able to clear the people he's voted on as being town? Although even that is a shot in the dark. | ||
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Frorgon
United States146 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On March 09 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote: Just going to toss it out there. That seemed a little early to be expecting a replacement on arctic when there was only a single vote for arctic. He acted like we were going to accidently lynch him. But that'll be the end of this for now. You're right, and I want to see Taco comment on this. On March 09 2013 07:22 OmniEulogy wrote: if Arctic is scum and you guys nail him, it's fantastic but I'm still wondering how he is different from the other lurkers like bduddy. If we just talk about Arctic being lynched and flipping scum, the only thing we gain is scum being down by 1 which is huge for D1 don't get me wrong but his absence means we don't learn much else from it. My question to him at that point was the best I could do, he literally had 0 posts to his name, and all the questions were more aimed towards seeing peoples reactions to me asking them, and how people felt about Luneth as opposed to Arctic (who wasn't even a subject of conversation at that point). I guess if I look at it from a point that Arctic wouldn't vote on his own scum buddies, we might be able to clear the people he's voted on as being town? Although even that is a shot in the dark. Did you read Taco's post? Or Raven's last few? We have plenty to learn. Daishi is goin' downnnnnnnnnn | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
On March 09 2013 07:24 WaveofShadow wrote: You're right, and I want to see Taco comment on this. Did you read Taco's post? Or Raven's last few? We have plenty to learn. Daishi is goin' downnnnnnnnnn I really want to avoid trying to make a link between Arctic and Taco till after the flip. And if Arctic flips town I'm going to be kicking myself for not being able to persuade people to vote Taco, however I don't want to see NW lynched... I don't disagree that Arctic looks scummy, I just think Taco looks worse. | ||
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Frorgon
United States146 Posts
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On March 09 2013 07:27 OmniEulogy wrote: I really want to avoid trying to make a link between Arctic and Taco till after the flip. And if Arctic flips town I'm going to be kicking myself for not being able to persuade people to vote Taco, however I don't want to see NW lynched... I don't disagree that Arctic looks scummy, I just think Taco looks worse. Well can you explain to me what we learn if Taco flips town? | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
On March 09 2013 07:28 Frorgon wrote: @Omni If we vote scum on D1 it trumps anything else we could do. If Arctic was lynched and did indeed flip as scum we could use that information to pressure others who are behaving similarly. And I think it would be quite plausible to see his votes as town since they have all been bandwagon votes. I don't think scum would vote off one of their own on D1 unless it looks like that person isn't actually going to receive the most votes. For sure I agree with you 100% It's just a question of playing duck duck goose but replace it with lurker lurker scum on Arctic. I'm not disagreeing with anybody who says Arctic looks scummy as hell. | ||
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MeatlessTaco
United States302 Posts
On March 09 2013 06:20 OmniEulogy wrote: Hmm not sure what else to say about Taco... well actually I'll go the other way, I think I've covered pretty much everything he's done that seems to go against town, but he was right when he said you have to suspect everybody in one of his first posts. I felt that this was a good post, generally people who have decent activity before a game starts and then disappear as soon as it starts deserve to be looked at more closely. At the same time going back to odd actions from him we also have things like this He didn't actually make a case... did he forget? It was a joke vote that stuck and other people attacked NW. There was no case from Taco. Isn't that the exact job town is trying to do? Again from somebody who hasn't actually made a single case all game this seems really REALLY bad... looking through his filter and doing this again... I'm actually going to move Taco to my scum list. ##Unvote ##Vote: MeatlessTaco I believe this case is Much stronger than my case on Frorgon and am changing my vote for that reason. What does everybody else make of this case on Taco? In fact... I am going to push for Taco's Lynch, I expect anybody who wants to hit scum to jump on this train, The Wagon of Justice has arrived. + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 04:49 OmniEulogy wrote: I'm also quite worried about Taco. His actions so far are a mixture of scum/town so I can't get a good read on him. We have his opening joke vote, which alone I have no problem with However we do end up sticking on NW through pressure of other people so he never actually has to vote. He uses this as an excuse to pressure others to place votes on people when he himself never actually made a serious vote. Keep in mind how early in the game these posts are. I feel that Krafla here was trying to apply pressure the Arctic who had yet said anything at all but Taco tries to pressure him to vote for somebody who hasn't said a single word so far? that's sketchy so early on in the game. Makes it seem like he doesn't care who is voting for who. Again goes after Krafla early on, Why is Taco so obsessed with getting people to vote? The game isn't even through the first 24 hours. Town doesn't need to throw votes out so quickly, they need to think about their actions as Krafla is doing. This raises more questions about how much Taco actually cares who gets lynched. And then we have these back-to-back posts. Holy Shit Hypocrisy. His FIRST real vote is a complete sheep with nothing to add about why Chew is scum. Does he really care who gets lynched? This doesn't take away from the good points he's made and some of his questions have been really good... but the inconsistency is there. ^ My original look through his filter. Shit just got real... I didn't expect that... Yeah, I forgot I had never made a case against NW, he had only 2 posts or something at that point. He defended himself poorly, but eventually my read was that he was making an honest effort. Chew's behavior was unacceptable, you can't let someone float through 2 days of discussion, put down a vote and avoid scrutiny. I stand by the concrete proof statement. All our scum reads aren't 100%. Being unhelpful to town has to still be a factor. On March 09 2013 07:00 TheRavensName wrote: If we Lynch Arctic and he comes up Red though, we get a good deal out of it. Especially sense Meatless was pushing for us to forget about him cause he would just be replaced. I didn't want the copout available: vote for the guy who hasn't posted yet. I never considered the possibility that he would de-lurk. On March 09 2013 07:24 WaveofShadow wrote: You're right, and I want to see Taco comment on this. As for the criticisms against me: they are correct. I've been hoping that it I prodded everyone into action I would be able to have a ton on information for the Day 1 lynch. In this post in particular, I didn't want someone to vote Daishi and say "I'm pressuring a lurker, see I'm helping". It has been my strategy that votes are the best way to pressure people and force people to take a position. In doing this, I was hugely hypocritical, because I didn't take too many positions myself. Honestly, I never thought the whole NW thing to take off. I was waiting to strike on Raven and asked the mentor about it, but Raven's return didn't give me anything to be suspicious and NW was digging himself a hole. I also assumed ( like 30 min ago while re-reading thread when I made that post), activity wise, that Frogron or Chew would be lynched. | ||
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