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MLuneth
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia557 Posts
March 08 2013 22:51 GMT
#581
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bduddy pointed you out soft defending Daishi. You keep saying we'd learn nothing if he flipped? Well we might learn something about you. We'd certainly also learn something about his voting patterns and we might be able to figure out if the people he was bandwagoning were scum or not.


Who was this directed at?
Innovation is a PatchTerran
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 08 2013 22:52 GMT
#582
On March 09 2013 07:48 MLuneth wrote:
My vote in NW stays the same because there has still been no coherent defence to tell me why NW is not scum.

I agree that other players are looking very suspicious too but I'm more confident that NW is scum than they are


I think the issue isn't so much NW's defence in that other cases are just better at this point in time, given NW's case was the first major one made and it was made very early. Its given a lot of light onto other people.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 08 2013 22:53 GMT
#583
Luneth, there has been so much evidence as to why you're wrong I'm not even going to link it. Just look at his filter. This refusal to change your vote even after it's been established that only lurkers are going to be staying on NW is looking tres scummy.

As for you Taco, I really wish you hadn't said that. Almost every mafia game I've been in where someone tried some sort of funny business or gambit to 'generate content' they turned out to be mafia. What's the point in generating content you yourself have no intention of following up on? All it does is create confusion and further useless content ---> scum MO.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
March 08 2013 22:53 GMT
#584
@MLunech, alright cool, good, so you pressure voted on Krafla

On March 09 2013 07:48 MLuneth wrote:
My vote in NW stays the same because there has still been no coherent defence to tell me why NW is not scum.

I agree that other players are looking very suspicious too but I'm more confident that NW is scum than they are


as for your vote still on me, based on your wording, I assume you're not pressure voting, but actually confidently voting in me. well use you should use your confidence to town then, why do you even then want/need to confront a coherent defense?
i want nobody nobody but you! *clap* *clap*- wonder girls
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
March 08 2013 22:56 GMT
#585
On March 09 2013 07:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
Luneth, there has been so much evidence as to why you're wrong I'm not even going to link it. Just look at his filter. This refusal to change your vote even after it's been established that only lurkers are going to be staying on NW is looking tres scummy.

As for you Taco, I really wish you hadn't said that. Almost every mafia game I've been in where someone tried some sort of funny business or gambit to 'generate content' they turned out to be mafia. What's the point in generating content you yourself have no intention of following up on? All it does is create confusion and further useless content ---> scum MO.


The Wagon of Justice is still available.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 08 2013 22:57 GMT
#586
Vote Count

Krafla (0): WaveofShadow, TheRavensName, Arctic Daishi
MLuneth (0): Rainbows, nobodywonder
nobodywonder (4): MeatlessTaco, ChewOnStu, Rainbows, TheRavensName, Matriarch, MLuneth, Krafla, Arctic Daishi
bduddy (0): nobodywonder, Frorgon
Arctic Daishi (3): MLuneth. WaveofShadow, TheRavensName, bduddy
ChewOnStu (1): Rainbows, MeatlessTaco, TheRavensName, nobodywonder
TheRavensName (0): bduddy
Frorgon (2): OmniEulogy, Rainbows, WaveofShadow, Arctic Daishi
MeatlessTaco (2): OmniEulogy, Frorgon

No vote: nobodywonder

nobodywonder is currently set to be lynched. 2 hours until the deadline. Voting is mandatory. Please remember to bold your votes, and to unvote if you've previously voted for someone else.

WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 08 2013 22:57 GMT
#587
Nah I'll stick with my Rolls Royce of Justice.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 08 2013 22:58 GMT
#588
Hey you know who's flown under the radar since the thread picked up and wasn't one of my original lurkers?
Rainbows.
I liked his play early game and if he shows up he may be able to help us decide one way or another.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
bduddy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1326 Posts
March 08 2013 22:58 GMT
#589
On March 09 2013 07:51 MLuneth wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
bduddy pointed you out soft defending Daishi. You keep saying we'd learn nothing if he flipped? Well we might learn something about you. We'd certainly also learn something about his voting patterns and we might be able to figure out if the people he was bandwagoning were scum or not.


Who was this directed at?
OmniEulogy, I assume. That's who I was referring to, at least.

I don't get why NW has to prove he's not scum to be unvoted - that would be great, obviously, but as has been said, there are other people that look a lot worse right now.
>Liquid'Nazgul: Of course you are completely right
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 08 2013 22:59 GMT
#590
On March 09 2013 07:51 MLuneth wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
bduddy pointed you out soft defending Daishi. You keep saying we'd learn nothing if he flipped? Well we might learn something about you. We'd certainly also learn something about his voting patterns and we might be able to figure out if the people he was bandwagoning were scum or not.


Who was this directed at?

I believe it was said this was Omni.

Now the issue with this line of thinking is, Omni has not accused anyone Arctic has jumped on until the one against Frorgon, and quite a few people had similar reactions until it was read over about a dozen times.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 08 2013 23:01 GMT
#591
On March 09 2013 07:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey you know who's flown under the radar since the thread picked up and wasn't one of my original lurkers?
Rainbows.
I liked his play early game and if he shows up he may be able to help us decide one way or another.

I was hoping he'd show up actually. I was getting nervous about that but theres so many other lurkers, I guess I forgot about forgetting about him. Actually makes me really uncomfortable that someone would be supremly aggressive and then not show up for a while.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
bduddy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1326 Posts
March 08 2013 23:04 GMT
#592
On March 09 2013 07:59 TheRavensName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 07:51 MLuneth wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
bduddy pointed you out soft defending Daishi. You keep saying we'd learn nothing if he flipped? Well we might learn something about you. We'd certainly also learn something about his voting patterns and we might be able to figure out if the people he was bandwagoning were scum or not.


Who was this directed at?

I believe it was said this was Omni.

Now the issue with this line of thinking is, Omni has not accused anyone Arctic has jumped on until the one against Frorgon, and quite a few people had similar reactions until it was read over about a dozen times.
At this point I wouldn't say that scum would necessarily work together to try to lynch a specific person. What they would definitely try to do is try to deflect voting of other scum, because at this point that's a lot more necessarily for them and, if done properly, less suspicious. I stand by what I said earlier that OE especially has been trying to do that with Arctic, and I don't see anything nobodywonder has done that makes him more suspicious.

What happens if the vote is a tie?
>Liquid'Nazgul: Of course you are completely right
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 08 2013 23:04 GMT
#593
Well it's too late now to worry about Rainbows' scumminess right now we can't afford to spread ourselves out any thinner. I personally hope he shows up to give further insight but if not we're really going to have a good look at him soon too.

We REALLY need vote consolidation from the following people:
MeatlessTaco, Arctic Daishi, Rainbows, ChewonStu, Luneth, Matriarch, Krafla.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
March 08 2013 23:05 GMT
#594
On March 09 2013 08:04 bduddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 07:59 TheRavensName wrote:
On March 09 2013 07:51 MLuneth wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
bduddy pointed you out soft defending Daishi. You keep saying we'd learn nothing if he flipped? Well we might learn something about you. We'd certainly also learn something about his voting patterns and we might be able to figure out if the people he was bandwagoning were scum or not.


Who was this directed at?

I believe it was said this was Omni.

Now the issue with this line of thinking is, Omni has not accused anyone Arctic has jumped on until the one against Frorgon, and quite a few people had similar reactions until it was read over about a dozen times.
At this point I wouldn't say that scum would necessarily work together to try to lynch a specific person. What they would definitely try to do is try to deflect voting of other scum, because at this point that's a lot more necessarily for them and, if done properly, less suspicious. I stand by what I said earlier that OE especially has been trying to do that with Arctic, and I don't see anything nobodywonder has done that makes him more suspicious.

What happens if the vote is a tie?


If the vote is a tie the player who reached the highest amount first is lynched, in other words NW gets lynched if there is a tie.
LiquidDota Staff
MLuneth
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia557 Posts
March 08 2013 23:06 GMT
#595
I am rereading cases now.

Going to be wishy washy either way, but I'd rather be correct
Innovation is a PatchTerran
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 08 2013 23:07 GMT
#596
On March 09 2013 08:04 bduddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 07:59 TheRavensName wrote:
On March 09 2013 07:51 MLuneth wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
bduddy pointed you out soft defending Daishi. You keep saying we'd learn nothing if he flipped? Well we might learn something about you. We'd certainly also learn something about his voting patterns and we might be able to figure out if the people he was bandwagoning were scum or not.


Who was this directed at?

I believe it was said this was Omni.

Now the issue with this line of thinking is, Omni has not accused anyone Arctic has jumped on until the one against Frorgon, and quite a few people had similar reactions until it was read over about a dozen times.
At this point I wouldn't say that scum would necessarily work together to try to lynch a specific person. What they would definitely try to do is try to deflect voting of other scum, because at this point that's a lot more necessarily for them and, if done properly, less suspicious. I stand by what I said earlier that OE especially has been trying to do that with Arctic, and I don't see anything nobodywonder has done that makes him more suspicious.

What happens if the vote is a tie?

Says in the op the first person to get those votes wins.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
March 08 2013 23:08 GMT
#597
On March 09 2013 08:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well it's too late now to worry about Rainbows' scumminess right now we can't afford to spread ourselves out any thinner. I personally hope he shows up to give further insight but if not we're really going to have a good look at him soon too.

We REALLY need vote consolidation from the following people:
MeatlessTaco, Arctic Daishi, Rainbows, ChewonStu, Luneth, Matriarch, Krafla.


NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today.
LiquidDota Staff
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 08 2013 23:10 GMT
#598
On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 08:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well it's too late now to worry about Rainbows' scumminess right now we can't afford to spread ourselves out any thinner. I personally hope he shows up to give further insight but if not we're really going to have a good look at him soon too.

We REALLY need vote consolidation from the following people:
MeatlessTaco, Arctic Daishi, Rainbows, ChewonStu, Luneth, Matriarch, Krafla.


NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today.

Because hes just dabbled in it as opposed to reeking of it.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 08 2013 23:11 GMT
#599
On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 08:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well it's too late now to worry about Rainbows' scumminess right now we can't afford to spread ourselves out any thinner. I personally hope he shows up to give further insight but if not we're really going to have a good look at him soon too.

We REALLY need vote consolidation from the following people:
MeatlessTaco, Arctic Daishi, Rainbows, ChewonStu, Luneth, Matriarch, Krafla.


NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today.

But one or two vote differences isn't going to cut it. If we don't have a +3 differences in vote between the first and second place then it's possible (though unlikely) for scum/3rd party to move last second and force a mislynch.

I'm not saying Taco looks super innocent, btw, but I think Daishi is a better vote. Plus after the flip we may be able to start making associations related to Taco.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-08 23:14:40
March 08 2013 23:13 GMT
#600
On March 09 2013 08:04 bduddy wrote:
What happens if the vote is a tie?

From OP:

In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses).
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