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On March 14 2013 03:04 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 02:48 Sn0_Man wrote:On March 14 2013 02:44 TheRavensName wrote:On March 14 2013 02:36 Rainbows wrote:
I'm not interested in anyone elses response but MLuneth's, thank you.
Wanna lynch le Geript mans? Given his averge posting time habit, its going to take him some time to get back to you, Wasn't MLuneth from Australia or something? On the plus side, we have 30+ hours to lynch so no crazy rush. PS: Something tells me this is just a ploy from Rainbows to get MLuneth to make a case. A noble attempt, I guess... I don't know why you would say something. I reached the same conclusion but didn't want to risk ruining it. Way to go sn0
If you have to "trick" somebody into making cases it probably makes more sense to lynch them. If not, then my comment certainly shouldn't prevent MLuneth from responding in a reasonable manner.
I mean, how dumb does this sound: "Hey guys, I tricked scum into making a case..." :X
And as I said, if the target is town then you shouldn't need to "trick" them.
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Why does nobody love this thread? 
For example, where is NW? What are his thoughts on the current lynch candidates? He hasn't really posted all day...
As I've said, Geript and OE look scummy to me but OE isn't posting much anymore and geript's response to me was "I've been pretty straight forward" followed up by more "Nutter butters".
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At this point I really want to hear some kind of defense out of omni before I continue researching him. He hasn't had any real pressure on him previously so this ought to tell us a lot. On the other hand, he scrubbed out of my last mafia game with him due to PC issues so who knows whats up...
@frorgon: Well I'm glad you are willing to push a read. I'm not really sold on MLuneth being too much scummier than, say, nobodywonder or krafla who are in very similar positions. I'm currently more interested in lynching geript (although he is bringing legitimate points against OE...). However, If we can't consolidate on scum anytime soon I'll have a good look at MLuneth's filter (since it really isn't that long and you are so dead-set on him). Just try not to get confirmation bias, find other scum as well. I think we all get the point that he is your top scumread.
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On March 14 2013 11:42 geript wrote:
@Sno. I read you well in our last game, know that the answers you seed may be found in the dark ocean.
This is the bullshit that makes me want to lynch you...
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On March 14 2013 13:04 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 12:43 geript wrote:
I think it would be beneficial for people to start taking stances between Omni/Luneth as those seem to be the two primary reads. I'm not opposed to someone trying to make a strong case for against a third party instead (even if its against me), but to gather further information I think we need to start making people pick a side. I'm from Hive Char, and I say kill em all.
While admittedly we have some leeway due to how well day/night 1 went, the "kill them all" mindset is terrible. Scum are then free to pick which one of "all" end up being the lynch target and obviously it won't be scum.
Or, more clearly, time is on scum's side. If we aren't deliberate and urgent about hitting SCUM, it doesn't take that many mislynches until we get to situations where we MUST lynch scum. "Lynch both" isn't even acceptable. You *MUST* pick one and provide a good reason why it should be that one today. If you want to vote the other one the next day, that is your prerogative.
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On March 14 2013 21:08 Frorgon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 11:32 Sn0_Man wrote:
At this point I really want to hear some kind of defense out of omni before I continue researching him. He hasn't had any real pressure on him previously so this ought to tell us a lot. On the other hand, he scrubbed out of my last mafia game with him due to PC issues so who knows whats up...
I have a few problems with this post. One being that you want some defense from Omni before you research him. Don't wait for the defense, do research first, make a case, then ask for a defense. Back it up with a vote. If you're not gonna research anything before you hear a defense, why should Omni stop lurking? Also, I'm pretty sure referencing past games in this thread is a no-no and WoS was already warned for doing it.
Referencing ONGOING games is taboo. Past games are legit. Feel free to PM a host to confirm.
I'm still not 100% sold on Omni being scum, so I want to hear him defend himself. I then want to go through his filter in light of his defense and try to poke holes in it. I'd say that we have enough accusations in front of him that if he DOESN'T respond its probably correct to just lynch him. Digging through his filter and deciding that he looks townie doesn't help because again, it is absolutely not my job to deflect pressure from another player. They need to stand up to it and show us who they are.
In other news, it looks like some consolidation is happening, which is good. I'll read through the cases in a bit.
I never vote without very serious intent to lynch. At this point I don't feel like I can say with certainty who we should lynch today so I'm not voting until I'm reasonably sure. I still feel like somebody has got to be responsible for the mislynch yesterday and you are going to have a hard time convincing me that that is MLuneth... (I still think it's either geript for mucking up the thread or, as others are pointing out, Omni but he won't defend himself...)
Actually, it feels a bit like Omni is getting out of this lynch by... being afk? :/ So we target somebody else because they respond... (admittedly, MLuneth seems to be digging himself a hole every time he opens his mouth).
PS: I haven't made any real cases because I wanted to experience how all of you are playing in real time. Re-reading the thread and/or simple filter-diving leaves out a lot of important context. As I feel like I'm getting a better grip on players I feel like I can make decent cases that have a real chance of nailing scum.
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Alright, after going through some filters, I noticed something funny.
Bduddy, who has done stone nothing all game, has received a completely free ride.
Day 1, he lurks around and is "busy IRL" (often true but also often a scum excuse to lurk). He eventually gets on the popular wagon after AD essentially scum-claims. After day 1 he has successfully blended in and looks pretty null.
Night 1, he posts some silly garbage about ##Unvoting and stuff, no real contribution ("Saving it for the day" or some garbage).
Day 2, he is quick to cast suspicion on a perfectly legitimate blue-claim by Krafla. When there is an uncontested blue claim, that is a pretty easy confirmed town since it's pretty suicidal to false-claim there as scum. Bduddy doesn't want Krafla's claim to be accepted, despite the fact that it is an uncontested blue claim. Thats REALLY scummy.
Beyond that, Bduddy feels the need to post things like this:
On March 10 2013 11:26 bduddy wrote:
The main difference was that CoS posted nothing, AD posted scummy posts. CoS definitely needs to remain under suspicion, but it's possible at this point that he's just away from the Internet for some reason.
Cluttering up the thread with comments on somebody who just replaced out. Admittedly this could be a simple mistake but it still doesn't look very good.
Next up, bduddy's day 2 vote:
On March 11 2013 06:35 bduddy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 11 2013 06:19 bduddy wrote:On March 11 2013 06:04 Frorgon wrote: Especially considering that the roleblock was not likely placed on the mafia. How do you get that? The mafia almost certainly chose to kill someone last night - the only reason they didn't is that they were roleblocked. This game doesn't have a doctor. Or if the roleblocker was able to RB the mafia with kill power, the mafia roleblocker would use that information to roleblock him and ensure that the kill goes through next time. All mafia have kill power in this game (read the PMs). Unless there's only one mafia left, which is highly unlikely, it's not going to be the same guy killing next time. Yes, I know that someone who claimed town RB right now would obviously become a mafia target, but if we get a mafia out of that I think that's a good trade for us. Wrong, bduddy. Chances are very slim that we have both a RB and a JK; that would most likely be imbalanced. The JK protected me (I was roleblocked) which is why there was no kill last night. ...yeah, that does make sense as well, I had forgotten about your post. Sorry for acting like such an idiot, I'm just not used to playing with roles like this (or serious Mafia games at all, really). Considering that all of my other cases have been shit, I'm starting to come around to the arguments about MeatlessTaco. In fact, until he comes up with some good answers, ##Vote: MeatlessTaco
First, he plays the noob card. "Im sorry i'm bad and my cases are bad don't hold me to standards just let me be useless to town"...
Next, Blatant sheep: "I trust you guys my cases are bad here let me sound legit as I put my vote on a Town player"
What kind of garbage is that? He never even attempts to justify this vote, he just leaves it there while also pointing fingers at virtually half the thread with posts like:
On March 11 2013 06:52 bduddy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 06:41 geript wrote:
@bduddy You were the one to initially bring up the OE defenses of Artic. You ALSO brought up how OE wasn't really trying to push his Taco case. Do you not like my case vs OE?
Don't worry, I'm still keeping my eye on OE - we have time, after all. But MT's posting has just been terrible in general, and I want to see what he has to say about the accusations against him.
And
On March 11 2013 10:43 bduddy wrote:
I mean... Matriarch also is by far the worst lurker left. If she comes back in a similar manner as AD, well, hopefully we can end up with the same result (unless scum/AWOLs mean we can't switch fast enough...)
Then,
On March 11 2013 15:13 bduddy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 14:05 Rainbows wrote:
I'd rather lynch Geript than OE. We should also kll MLuneth gogogo vote him. ...WTF is up with you? I know you've been active (occasionally) and tried to provoke responses out of people, but you're getting ridiculous at this point, and I don't mean ridiculously helpful.
Nowhere is he trying to push a read, he's just throwing shit everywhere. And nobody calls him out on it anymore (after his previous "I'm so sorry I noob let me sheep plz" vote on taco everybody was content that he had his vote down... derp).
Immediately after the mislynch he is super-eager to get matriarch mod-killed instead of replaced, with posts like
On March 12 2013 10:48 bduddy wrote:
Going by the rules Matriarch has to be modkilled, so that will also be... somewhat useful, at least.
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On March 13 2013 02:45 bduddy wrote:I don't want to try to get too much into the motivations of the host, but it seems more likely that he would refuse to modkill Matriarch if she was mafia
Its fairly clear that Bduddy is a bit over-interested in getting people mod-killed instead of a more town-favoured replacement (modkills are statistically more likely to harm town than help them).
Since then, he has made a total of 5 posts.
The first was "Sn0_man make posts plz". Okay bro, thanks for the tip... :/
The next 2 were yet another blatant attempt to discredit our uncontested blue claim... (seriously, scum don't blue-claim like that. It makes no sense).
The last 2 took an entire day to make between them...
one was trying to describe Rainbow's silly vote on geript as "Pressuring" MLuneth... basically not a post.
The last one was this:
On March 14 2013 15:02 bduddy wrote:
I agree with Rainbow's case on MLuneth, his last post was just ridiculous. His AD "coin flip" vote seems suspicious to me (an easy way to say "but I voted for him early!" (ed. note: saying you're voting for someone because of a coin flip and then quickly switching is not a good way to "pressure" someone) and his last post just makes absolutely no sense in the context of what he actually did D1. He never switched his vote back to AD, and has been defending OE (who I'm still very suspicious of) for the whole game. Also, he hasn't contributed particularly much in general; his incredibly weak "case" on geript is based mostly on more OE defending and the fact that he voted MT... you know, like most of the rest of the town.
##Vote: MLuneth
Back to sheepville where he basically copy+pastes the highlights of rainbows case and calls it a wrap. Calls out MLuneth for making a weak case despite not having made any real case since... Day 1. Happy to park his vote on what is clearly the going wagon at the moment. This just strikes me wrong.
At this point, I'm having a hard time really deciding who I think is most likely to be scum. Really, I'd like to lynch geript today for blatantly shitting up the thread, but that clearly isn't going to happen. I honestly think Bduddy is more likely to be scum than either Omni or MLuneth, so I'm presenting my case on him, but there seems to be a lot of confirmation bias going on in this thread already directed at those 2.
Again, I'll revisit omni once he returns to the thread, and while I don't disagree with some of the points brought up on MLuneth his lynch just looks too easy right now. It might be the right one, but in all my previous games the easy wagon has been the wrong one.
PS: Oh god that was long
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On March 15 2013 02:05 geript wrote:
Yah, Sno, I was looking at him last night when I looked at Luneth. I didn't want to bring him up yet to disrupt the Luneth lynch, but he's definitely in my "zone" for tomorrow.
On March 15 2013 02:04 Rainbows wrote:
^ I was thinking along the same lines with bduddys vote on MLuneth which was shady as fuck. It's not a bad case. But imo everything comes back to the NW votes, where people on it were trying to push the mislynch rather than the scum lynch. 3 people left (sides the 1 blue)...
In short, we should lynch MLuneth today. If he flips scum, I have his scumbuddy pinned methinks.
If he's town, I need to rethink the entire game, and dbuddy is a good start to be doing that. But I don't think MLuneth flips town here, ever.
ORLY?
Nobody had even posted a whiff of suspicion in his direction all game (except some silly "pressure" votes early D1 when he was full-on lurker mode). EVERYBODY deserves to be pressured, to see how they react.
Also geript, You've been pushing an OE lynch forever, then all of a sudden you "Don't want to disrupt the Luneth lynch" but somebody you never mentioned is "in your zone for tomorrow". Will you ever contribute to this game? I still don't see why nobody else wants to lynch you... :/
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On March 15 2013 03:11 Acrofales wrote:
Vote Count
OmniEulogy (2): geript, TheRavensName,
MLuneth (6): Frorgon, Krafla, Rainbows, Rainbows, bduddy, geript, nobodywonder
geript (1): Rainbows, MLuneth
No vote: sn0_man, OmniEulogy
MLuneth is currently set to be lynched. ~7 hours until the deadline. Voting is mandatory. Please remember to bold your votes, and to unvote if you've previously voted for someone else.
If there's a mistake, let me know!
Shouldn't OmniEulogy be at (1) not (2)?
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On March 15 2013 03:55 OmniEulogy wrote:
Hey guys sorry for the absence, my house got fumigated and it took a few days for the fumes to clear out to a non-poisonous level. I've explained it to Acro so if I'm mod-killed it's pretty understandable as I believe I've missed a full night cycle and 24 hours of D2/D3's cycles. I won't even touch on the game till Acro lets me know what his decision is but I figure I owe an explanation.
I believe if you post a vote you are within the activity levels required and shouldn't get modkilled but I suppose I should let acro adress that fully. I'm glad to hear you are alive.
On the other hand, there are a lot of outstanding cases against you that are lent a lot of weight by your silence...
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Think of it like a school essay 
No plagiarism (aka sheeping), Original research is required. If somebody else gives you an idea, thats fine but you gotta go pursue it and, well, make original content.
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Well, bduddy I think that is your biggest post so far.
However, just trying to survive is once again scummy. Town don't care about survival, they care about lynching scum. Town loses if it can't identify and lynch scum. Mafia only care about survival, because they don't need to lynch anybody in particular to win. I'd say your play lines up a lot more with survival play than scumhunting play.
Most of your excuses/justifications are pretty null, could be town could be mafia. The motivation behind your play remains (IMO) scummy.
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On March 15 2013 06:05 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 05:51 bduddy wrote:OK, I think I've made it pretty clear that I'm suspicious of OE. Some quick glances show that OE has attacked ML several times (without voting, but I guess that's understandable if he's actually been away), while ML has on a couple of occasions defended OE. It seems highly unlike that OE would be bussing ML; many of his accusing posts came during the Taco bandwagon, where they would be utterly pointless. If ML is actually scum, then, this would seem to be a contribution; why would scum defend another player unless they were scum, but if OE was scum, why would he spend so many posts getting on ML? Examples: Now that we know Arctic's alignment it looks more like Luneth was trying to save him without making it look too obvious. If we consider how quickly he leaves after nobody budges from Arctic it looks pretty bad. (Night 1) On March 09 2013 08:06 MLuneth wrote:
I am rereading cases now.
Going to be wishy washy either way, but I'd rather be correct
nothing more about Arctic vs NW after this. I think both Luneth and Taco have shown some pretty large signs that they don't really care who gets lynched. The amount of effort behind where their votes land is between minimal and non-existent. good to see you come back with such a strong case rainbows. I agree with you that Luneth looks like a pretty good choice for mafia, leaving us with 1(?) remaining. I still believe the last one is Taco. If there is a 4th I'd be surprised as I've only had 3 scum in all of my newbie games. Is this a weak bus, leaving room for OE to claim "But I was on ML the whole time!" if he goes down? Maybe. I doubt it, though - why do it so early before MLuneth was under real suspicion? On the other hand, MLuneth's defenses of OE are not hard to find, he even admitted himself that it looked like he was buddying him. So that leaves three possibilities - OE is scum and ML is town, they're both town, or they're both mafia and OE is trying a really weird bus. I'm not willing to believe that they're both town given the combined suspicion I have towards both of them (yes, I know it was Day 1, but OE's defense of AD was just too much for me to ignore), and so both remaining possibilities are that OE is scum. And I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. ##Unvote
##Vote: OmniEulogy I was actually going to touch on this after I had finished cleaning a bit more but I'm happy to get it out of the way right now. IMO either 1 of us are scum or both of are. Luneth's recent attempts to save me (although I love him for it as a person) rub me the wrong way. I believe Luneth is scum and is trying to paint me red for when he flips. Not very hard for him to do if he defends me for the remainder of this day. The only thing I can say to this is lynch Luneth first. He was my #2 scum read behind Taco, Taco is gone and nobody has taken his place. This makes Luneth my #1 and Geript is my #2 scum read. I believe Luneth will flip scum and it will still put me in a very difficult position but with only 1 scum remaining at that point I wouldn't mind taking one for the team given my recent inactivity and all I would ask in this scenario is that people start looking for the last scum with me under the assumption that when I get lynched D4 I will flip green and the game will continue. Which is exactly what will happen. I've been looking for ways to find the last scum after Luneth flips and I believe it will be Geript. I will be pushing for his lynch D4 as Chew was extremely scummy and Geript has done very little to change that. Anyway it's my belief that Luneth is defending me in order to get me lynched D4 by association and try to make people believe that I have been bussing him for quite awhile. ##Vote: Luneth is this the opposite of an OMGUS? I like you Luneth, but I think you are scum
Wow, that post was incredibly Martyr-like. Yuckkkkkkkkkk.
Thats like, the saddest defense of anything ever.
"I was gonna touch on this later, but I'm like almost certainly scum. Please don't lynch me just lynch this other guy first". WTF?
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Why does half the thread always fall over themselves trying to look as scummy as possible?
We have just over 3 hours to lynch. At this point, OmniEulogy has come back but instead of presenting a defense he has basically conceded. I had other reads, and other comments, but I don't see how town can let this fly.
##Vote: OmniEulogy
For refusing to seriously answer all the accusations, and for that horrible, horrible martyr post. I don't see how you can be town anymore.
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Alright, I won't be around for the lynch (or possibly for quite a while thereafter) but my vote is down, and I'm standing by it.
I'll admit that it may have been a somewhat emotional reaction to Omni's re-entry, but I fail to see how that excuses him. Martyring like that is utterly unacceptable. I can't in any good conscience vote anybody else today. So my vote stands. I'd encourage you guys to take out Omni as well, for the shit he just pulled, although at this stage I wont fault anybody for voting MLuneth either (I did a quick jaunt through his filter in the downtime. I have no idea how you guys didn't lynch him yesterday... oh yeah that comes back to Omni too).
See you guys post lynch.
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I come back to the thread, and I see that MLuneth was, in fact scum. Without the benefit of seeing the flip, I still think Omni was a better lynch in that circumstance but at least we hit scum. The next thing I see is: "OMG SNO SCUM" from like 3 different people. Can somebody explain this to me or is just some silly knee-jerk reaction because I wouldn't jump on your bandwagon?
If you guys don't want to post too much before the night action deadline thats fine but I thought that we established that in order to make it hard for scum to blend in (something which we are clearly succeeding at), legitimate, well thought out cases were a pre-requisite to accusations this game.
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EBWOP: rainbows posted somethign massive while I was writing my post.
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I'm not going to make any defense of anything matriarch did. That wasn't me, and I have had 0 contact with her to attempt to understand her play. If you want to put her play on me then I'd recommend you look more at ChewOnStu (now Geript) because I'm pretty sure he was looking just as bad before replacing out... its what newbies do.
Beyond that, your entire post is hilariously confirmation biased. When I came into the thread the *only* thing happening was geript offering nutter-butters to everybody who agreed with him. People asked me for scumreads so I tossed out my early suspicions, how on earth is that scummy? Maybe this is a consequence of subbing in during a quiet night but it looked to me like geript had legitimately stifled discussion with his ridiculous shitposting. I still don't see how his posts could possibly be town motivated but with presumably 1 scum left obviously some of my suspicions rest on town players. I'll say that geript has worked hard to make legitimate contributions since I called him out so hard on his posting.
Lots of people brought up legitimate concerns on Omni but I certainly wasn't the one trying to push his lynch until he marched into the thread and posted one of the worst posts I've seen ever. If you want to lay that on me then I'm not sure what thread you've been reading.
The bduddy case was a result of my inital thoughts that bduddy/nobodywonder/mluneth all looked like kinda scummy lurkers, but I didn't see much to differentiate them. When it looked like one of them was a serious lynch target I started to look at all of them to see if I could justify voting out MLuneth over his 2 doppelgangers and honestly the case against bduddy made itself. I hadn't finished looking at the rest because I wanted to at least put some pressure on bduddy.
But hey, I guess a willingness to create original cases and not just sheep onto others makes me scum suspect #1...
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Krafla's blue claim was pretty questionably done, and it just looked really weird (on a completely "first-impression" basis). Once I read through the OP and thought about the setup (and kinda settled into the game a bit) it became clear that it was in fact an uncontested blue claim that made some amount of sense. My gut impression on it was clearly wrong. Its obviously wrong to lynch uncontested blue claims without some serious good reasons, so I left off Krafla after that.
My point on bduddy was the only post he could remotely point to as "scumhunting" in a long stretch of his filter was throwing suspicion at Krafla, + Show Spoiler +On March 10 2013 11:33 bduddy wrote:At this point I'm most worried about Krafla. A first day of few, useless posts, except an out-of-nowhere, poorly justified, and essentially bandwagoning vote of NW, followed by that whole story about being a one-shot cop. I'm also worried about this: Show nested quote + I thought it better to lynch someone who would give us some information by letting us read into their posts. As I mentioned I had doubts on nobodywonder and MeatlessTaco but I felt that Meatless had promoted more interesting conversation than nobodywonder, so that's where I placed my vote. WTF does that mean? The point of this game is to lynch the mafia, not to lynch the most interesting people. Yes, his story does somewhat make sense (I was lurking because I was a blue), but at the same time, why did he continue to lurk so much if he was only a one-shotter, planning to use his power at his first opportunity, and was never under real threat? It does seem like a waste of a risky fakeclaim to simply say "I was roleblocked", but that could just be Krafla playing it safe, or playing badly.
Either way, I'm not gonna spend this entire night defending myself, it doesn't get us anywhere. Thankfully we have an 8-1 advantage on scum so we can afford this bullshit.
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On March 16 2013 02:06 TheRavensName wrote:
It can get you out of the gallows and could get the scum if they are attacking you... especially sense its night and there ant shit to do anyways.Ontop of this.... look at this thread, everyone whos said the "I'm not defending myself anymore fuck you guys." has gotten lynched. You... you sure you wanna play that way? You were nice enough to point out were 8/1.
I dunno, Omni posted that shit and walked away clean.
Either way, I posted my defense, I'm not rehashing it 5 times just because 5 different people want to sheep the case on me. Everything I've done has been legit town-motivated, although with confirmation-bias you can make anything look like some sort of weird scum-plan. The flip on MLuneth makes me look bad the way the flip on Taco made OE look bad, but somehow its lynchville for me and lurkville for OE. I'm not gonna pretend to understand the reasoning here.
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