So i went and looked at some of the flipped scum filters.
On March 02 2013 04:45 Chezinu wrote: 2.grush57 he is a star 3. Vivax - he is one of the best town players, I said last game 6. glurio - null 7. TestSubject893 - don't recall posts 8. jcarlsoniv - first made me think I was mafia before I checked my role cause he knew I didn't check my role... false alarm 9. The Macho Man 10. Chaos Bear - not present 11. randombum He understands important matters 12. WaveofShadow 15. MilkSuckler - don't like this guy 16. Wade Fell - liked him... then found out he was BH whom I used the Chez rule on in the past... Why he hates me 17. ObviousOne one of my summoners... no sure where he went 18. geript 19. DoctorHelvetica can't seem to save anyone 20. JungleJorge 21. Hassybaby - I cried mored 22. Restraining Order 24. layabout 25. aquanim similar thoughts like me
Alright, gtg... might be back, we'll see
Did someone mention this already? Pretty sure someone from that list of greens is actually scum. Didn't we at some point say we lynch geript and if he flips town we lynch aqua? If we don't lynch jcarlsoniv today we should either lynch grush or aqua. Probably grush because he's useless. I'll try to do more analysis later tonight, if i got internet at work that is.
On March 02 2013 04:45 Chezinu wrote: 2.grush57 he is a star 3. Vivax - he is one of the best town players, I said last game 6. glurio - null 7. TestSubject893 - don't recall posts 8. jcarlsoniv - first made me think I was mafia before I checked my role cause he knew I didn't check my role... false alarm 9. The Macho Man 10. Chaos Bear - not present 11. randombum He understands important matters 12. WaveofShadow 15. MilkSuckler - don't like this guy 16. Wade Fell - liked him... then found out he was BH whom I used the Chez rule on in the past... Why he hates me 17. ObviousOne one of my summoners... no sure where he went 18. geript 19. DoctorHelvetica can't seem to save anyone 20. JungleJorge 21. Hassybaby - I cried mored 22. Restraining Order 24. layabout 25. aquanim similar thoughts like me
Alright, gtg... might be back, we'll see
Did someone mention this already? Pretty sure someone from that list of greens is actually scum. Didn't we at some point say we lynch geript and if he flips town we lynch aqua? If we don't lynch jcarlsoniv today we should either lynch grush or aqua. Probably grush because he's useless. I'll try to do more analysis later tonight, if i got internet at work that is.
I really don't understand how so people are getting to the conclusion that because we don't have enough control over the vote to try and make the person we lynch pardoner we should make a good player pardoner. Am I missing something?
On February 27 2013 10:30 TestSubject893 wrote: @layabout: If you don't want me to respond to something, why even post it? On top of that, if you think my response is invalid, why don't you want more explanation? Your last few posts directed at me have really rubbed me the wrong way. I'd like some explanation. Did you misread what I wrote or what? The way I see those posts you're picking a fight with someone just for the sake of it. And the most obvious explanation for that would be that you want to look like you're contributing to town, without doing much.
These quotes don't cover it on their own, but my impression of TestSubject's play as a whole is that TestSubject is minimizing himself and trying not to draw attention to himself. By comparison his play in NMM37 was much more assertive. @Mocsta, Glurio and WoS, you played with him in 37, do you agree with this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395714&user=52297
In NMM37 I claimed tracker in what was effectively my first post. You can imagine that being the obvious night target might change how I play. On top of that, the I for the most part disagreed with what some of the town players were saying in that game and felt the need to steer public opinion. I am much more in alignment with most players reads in this game and haven't found a need to be as vocal to get the suspicion onto the right people.
There's a general trend in the totality of TestSubject's filter this game towards self-doubt and timidity. I mean like every second post. IMO this is completely different to his meta in 37 and furthermore it is scummy; a scum player, particularly a newbie, would be expected to 'hide in the corner' and be passive.
I also don't get the impression that he's trying to learn anything from the thread. None of the few questions he ask have particular direction or make me think they're serving a purpose.
Show me one example of a question that fits this description. You're just making things up to support your conclusion.
TestSubject spent a LOT of time day one talking about a) Pardoner policy and b) setting up the election at the end of the day, both of which are nice and safe topics for scum.
He also threw a bunch of noncommittal doubt on DoctorH:
On February 27 2013 09:35 TestSubject893 wrote: I've been working all day and just now got caught up on the thread. Here's what I've got.
Promethelax is still my top scum read and I will be voting for a mayor that wants to kill him. Jungle Jorge and ObviousOne, in that order, are next on my scum list.
I think we're placing a little too much trust in DoctorHelvetica. It seems like some people are treating him as nearly confirmed town, and frankly he's not even close to that in my book. Moreover, I'm afraid that should DrH get either of the elected roles, his perception as confirmed town will only be furthered, without him doing anything more pro-town.
Most of his cred has come from telling people they aren't scumhunting enough and how great scumhunting is, and while these things are pro-town, its not something that's hard to fake. On top of that, the only contribution he's made on the scumhunting front is to really amplify the pressure on Prome. While again, this is great, the fact that he seems to be distancing himself from it slightly in this post + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2013 04:11 glurio wrote: I think vayesh does make sense in what he posts. Yeah hes pretty much just prodding around but thats kinda what you have to do in the beginning. And he has found good points imo.
Jcarlsoniv do you believe prom and vivax are town? If yes, what makes you believe so?
Weird that you chose to respond to that specifically. Maybe not, maybe I'm being paranoid.
And yes, I'm still pushing Prome for the day. He basically martyred so he should die. I'm working from 1-10 PST tonight so unfortunately I'm not gonna be able to be here to push him. Since all discussion is built on this foundation of lynching Prome, it's the best outcome for us right now. At least for Day 1. I would never say to lynch for information, I absolutely believe he is scum but there is no sense in acting on hunches and getting distracted.
Don't fuck it up guys keep focused on the goal of finding scum. Everything else comes second.
is a little concerning to me.
I think it's likely that DrH is town, but lets make him prove that to us before we show him so much trust. Hopefully, we've gotten it right with Prome, in which case DrH will be deserving of the town cred he seems to currently have.
With the this in mind, I'm going to vote for someone who is going lynch Prome, but whose election I think will not stunt discussion and critique of the mayor himself.
##Vote: VisceraEyes
I know, I know, there's a distinction between "confirmed town" and "likely town" but still this post is just pointless.
Since you already had my filter open, how about you take a look at the posts I already made addressing this. If those aren't enough for you I'm happy to add more, but I'm not going to waste my time repeating myself.
On March 01 2013 14:34 TestSubject893 wrote: Ok, so I rewrote this post like 5 times and changed my mind back and forth, and at the end of it all I ended up not coming up with as great of thoughts as I had originally thought I had when it was all coming togther.
I'll start with the basics I suppose. I agree with DrH on Toad. He's the top of the list for me. From there I feel like one of either Aqua or OO is scum. I was gonna write up some reasons on why its OO, but when I was doing that I kind of talked myself into thinking that its Aqua. After that grush is looking suspicious to me, but he's in that category of players where everyone talks about their crazy meta and how it needs to be taken into account and I'm not currently taking it into account, so take that for what its worth.
The bulk of my thoughts were gonna be about how when I read Chez asking the questions about the 3rd parties and claiming he didn't know how to add, I thought for sure he was a 3rd party just putting on a show. Because immediately after that WF jumped on him as scum I thought that he has the same read as me and was mafia trying to get the 3rd party lynched. This all still added up even after Chez shot if he is town because mafia wouldn't know for sure he wasn't 3rd party in the time in between.
When I was writing it all up I changed my mind on it. WF just isn't scummy looking enough to me outside of that, so I ended up scrapping it. It is something that really jumped out at me though, so if WF becomes the center of attention later, its something we could relook at.
This post. Originally, I (and I believe many other people) got a town read on TestSubject from this post. In hindsight, I can't see why saying he doesn't have any decent reads makes him town. Maybe it's slightly better than not posting anything at all, but "oh shit sorry guys I couldn't come up with anything" isn't really good enough to make him town just based on this. His statement that "one of Aqua or OO is scum" doesn't have any firm reasoning behind it, which he admits later.
Same as day 1. I've explained already, and am happy to explain more, but I'm not going to repeat myself.
On March 03 2013 01:46 MilkSuckler wrote: No bites? Lets try again
On March 03 2013 00:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol it's just so different i mean i'd really rather lynch geript
I am happy to lynch Chezinu/Geript over consecutive cycles, as the cases are not associations.
The reason I would lynch Geript > Chezinu, is because: Chezinu already used his day-vig shot.
Geript, no idea what role he possesses.
@ALL
Thoughts? - Vote exodus to Geript?
I could get on board with that. I guess the questions are 'are Chez and Geript both so scummy that at this point there is no way either avoids being lynched?', and 'can we assure enough votes get to geript that we don't accidentally no-lynch from neither having 11?'. I'd answer the former with yes, and the latter with I don't know.
On March 02 2013 15:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 02 2013 15:46 geript wrote: If this were a ragequit, then I'd stop reading the thread. The only way I see that I can push my reads at this point is to get lynched. The only time it's useful to the town, in my view, is if I get lynched today. I'm concerned that the vig won't consider attacking me at night for fear that I'm the armorer or whatever.
You're not even going to attempt to defend your shit logic? What exactly would a flip on you prove? We've already had flips on people you've been fingering all game and boy oh BOY have THEY been telling.
I'm honestly just wondering how you're going to justify all of your tells throughout the game to yourself in the postgame. I'm really looking forward to it. Especially if your lynch in some who-the-fuck-knows-how way gets me killed.
I'm reading this as if WoS knows for sure that geript's alignment is town. Am I misreading it? WoS doesn't seem scummy to me, but this looks like a scumslip.
How on earth is this trying to swing the lynch to geript. I say in the post you quoted that a no-lynch is concerning to me, and again in my filter you can see that its my opinion that a lynch of chez or geript would have been fine with me, but I want to avoid a no-lynch at all costs. You're putting words in my mouth and drawing ridiculous conclusions.
Everything Else Until Now
No real further contributions, but the overall trend in his posting continues.
I don't feel like going into depth here because everything between the Chezinu lynch and the start of today hurts my brain and basically nobody contributed much anyway.
What trend? You haven't established one. Geript was shitting up the thread for all of D3, and honestly I'm not sure what you expected me to post. How is this a mark against me?
On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax
On February 27 2013 11:34 Restraining Order wrote: [Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax] Yes Maybe Yes Yes No Yes
TestSubject Want to have a go explaining this one....
Is this a joke? Of course I don't have an explanation. Are you gonna ask vivax why he got the same response here as prom who flipped scum? How about the one that really does stick out: the maybe on layabout? Looks like RO is trying to be ready to take credit for knowing layabout was scum without drawing attention to him. BETTER LYNCH LAYABOUT NOW, AMIRITE?
On March 04 2013 05:37 TestSubject893 wrote: JJ, it is possible that they in fact both are mafia. Is there a reason you think we get more out lynching RO compared to the more unanimously scummy geript?
So your point here is that I had a null read on RO? Yeah, I did, you caught me. He wasn't really a high priority to lynch for me. Better kill everyone who thought that way, all dozen of us.
Conclusion
He's been lurking pretty hard, hasn't expressed firm opinions on anything and his tone overall feels like he's trying to hide.
Your wagons are cool and all guys but TestSubject is scum.
This case is entirely baseless and frankly, I don't see how it could be anything but an attempt to distract town from reaching a majority before the day is over. For now my vote stays on jcarl because we need to get one of the scummy players to 8. Should we need to I'd be glad to switch my vote to the clearly panicked Aquanim.
@testsubject, I agree. Aquanim's association case between you and RO is completely fabricated, I find it hilarious that it deserves a bolded point. There's really no explanation about how the association is strong at all, just a series of quotes. The only thing in there is that he called you likely town as scum often do to people who are actually town.
I mean you're on the guillotine and the best you can come up with is a WIFOM list from Chezinu and not even bothering to analyze it even though it's impossible you didn't even try ??? What is going through your head right now glurio?
On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back. MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you. In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though.
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched?
On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote: Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place.
As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever). I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore.
On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more.
On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.)
Just so you dont feel ignored
+1
Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl)
See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party?
K..
so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine.
jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)? You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case)
So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point.
His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop.
The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things.
Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS.
On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote: WoS ##Vote: WoS Now thou hast been summoth.. Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences.
On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:
On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote: Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts
I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound.
And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players.
Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript.
On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote: In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie. So I'm going to vote WoS for now.
On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good.
So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum. P.P.P.S
On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote: Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy.
Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim.
##Vote: WoS
Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great.
Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.)
LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke.
@Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote: Show nested quote +
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong.
What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now.
Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.
Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote.
Well it's pretty easy, i'm town, i think jcarlsoniv or grush are scum. Other scum candidate is aqua. I think aqua's case on TS is bullshit, so is WoS's case on mocsta.
What good would analysing that list point for point do? You'd still call it WIFOM, and i have to admit it is. Didn't see it when i posted but you're right.
I see layabout, drh, vivax and JJ as sure town. With the rest i'm not so sure. My prime candidates for lynch would be jcarlsoniv and aqua. With vig on grush depending on jcarlsoniv flip. (grush cast suspicion on jcarlsoniv in his only useful post page 4 of his filter.)
My lack of concern for lynches is hardly an argument in this game so far. Day 1 after a few hours lynch was decided. Day 2 i was wrong with thinking chez is a misguided day-vig so i pushed for geripts lynch. And Day 3 it was clear geript will get lynched.
On March 02 2013 04:45 Chezinu wrote: 2.grush57 he is a star 3. Vivax - he is one of the best town players, I said last game 6. glurio - null 7. TestSubject893 - don't recall posts 8. jcarlsoniv - first made me think I was mafia before I checked my role cause he knew I didn't check my role... false alarm 9. The Macho Man 10. Chaos Bear - not present 11. randombum He understands important matters 12. WaveofShadow 15. MilkSuckler - don't like this guy 16. Wade Fell - liked him... then found out he was BH whom I used the Chez rule on in the past... Why he hates me 17. ObviousOne one of my summoners... no sure where he went 18. geript 19. DoctorHelvetica can't seem to save anyone 20. JungleJorge 21. Hassybaby - I cried mored 22. Restraining Order 24. layabout 25. aquanim similar thoughts like me
Alright, gtg... might be back, we'll see
Did someone mention this already? Pretty sure someone from that list of greens is actually scum. Didn't we at some point say we lynch geript and if he flips town we lynch aqua? If we don't lynch jcarlsoniv today we should either lynch grush or aqua. Probably grush because he's useless. I'll try to do more analysis later tonight, if i got internet at work that is.
Um...that's not something you can use to justify voting someone, seeing as you, yourself, have been rather useless.
@Macho Man: I wasn't intentionally ignoring glurio. There were several cases created in a fairly short time span (mine included. I had forgotten about his, but wanted to see his response before I made note of it. He lookin da' scummy bro.
On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back. MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you. In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though.
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched?
On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote: Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place.
As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever). I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore.
On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.)
Just so you dont feel ignored
+1
Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl)
See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party?
K..
so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine.
jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)? You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case)
So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point.
His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop.
The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things.
Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS.
And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta.
Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.
You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum".
On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote: WoS ##Vote: WoS Now thou hast been summoth.. Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences.
On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:
On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote: Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts
I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound.
And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players.
Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript.
What dost make of this ! P.S. For good measure
On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote: I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner. That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later
On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote: In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie. So I'm going to vote WoS for now.
On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote: why does everyone think WoS is town et
On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good.
So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum. P.P.P.S
On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote: Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy.
Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim.
##Vote: WoS
Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great.
Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.)
LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke.
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote: Show nested quote +
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong.
What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now.
Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.
Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote.
You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred.
On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back. MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you. In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though.
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched?
On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote: Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place.
As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever). I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore.
On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more.
On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:
On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote:
On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.)
Just so you dont feel ignored
+1
Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl)
See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party?
K..
so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine.
jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)? You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case)
So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point.
His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop.
The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things.
Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS.
And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta.
Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.
You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum".
On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote: WoS ##Vote: WoS Now thou hast been summoth.. Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences.
On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:
On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote: Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts
I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound.
And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players.
Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript.
What dost make of this ! P.S. For good measure
On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote: I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner. That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later
On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote: In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie. So I'm going to vote WoS for now.
On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote: why does everyone think WoS is town et
On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good.
So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum. P.P.P.S
On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote: Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy.
Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim.
##Vote: WoS
Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great.
Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.)
LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke.
@Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote: Show nested quote +
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow
On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong.
What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now.
Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.
Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote.
You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred.
You've used that defense before, and it's just horribly bad. What do Prom and Geript's pre-death actions have anything to do with you? Their games have been different from yours. Oh actually come to think of it Prom's game HASN'T been all that different form yours. You were both useless, noncommittal (until now) and SCUM. But even ignoring the association (since it's weak) what matters most is what is your excuse for not participating in the rest of the game at all? How can you defend yourself saying "I want to survive, that's why I'm participating" when you SHOULD be participating to FIND FUCKING SCUM, and you only feel 'motivated' to do so when YOU'RE on the block.
On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back. MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you. In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though.
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched?
On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote: Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place.
As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever). I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore.
On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more.
On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:
On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote:
On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.)
Just so you dont feel ignored
+1
Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl)
See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party?
K..
so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine.
jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)? You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case)
So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point.
His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop.
The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things.
Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS.
And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta.
Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.
You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum".
On March 08 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote: WoS ##Vote: WoS Now thou hast been summoth.. Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences.
On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:
On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote: Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts
I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound.
And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players.
Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript.
What dost make of this ! P.S. For good measure
On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote: I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner. That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later
On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote: In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie. So I'm going to vote WoS for now.
On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote: why does everyone think WoS is town et
On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good.
So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum. P.P.P.S
On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote: Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy.
Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim.
##Vote: WoS
Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great.
Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.)
LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke.
@Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote: Show nested quote +
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow
On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong.
What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now.
Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.
Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote.
You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred.
You've used that defense before, and it's just horribly bad. What do Prom and Geript's pre-death actions have anything to do with you? Their games have been different from yours. Oh actually come to think of it Prom's game HASN'T been all that different form yours. You were both useless, noncommittal (until now) and SCUM. But even ignoring the association (since it's weak) what matters most is what is your excuse for not participating in the rest of the game at all? How can you defend yourself saying "I want to survive, that's why I'm participating" when you SHOULD be participating to FIND FUCKING SCUM, and you only feel 'motivated' to do so when YOU'RE on the block.
First off, calm your tits.
I'm comparing my reactions because I don't understand why you're so surprised that my activity is up.
I'm not making any excuses for my past activity levels. But the fact is that right now, I want you dead. And you're now overreacting. Overreactions are good. They show me that I've pissed you off because, oh gosh, there are a few votes on you.
On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back. MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you. In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though.
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched?
On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote: Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place.
As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever). I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore.
On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more.
On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:
On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote:
On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.)
Just so you dont feel ignored
+1
Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl)
See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party?
K..
so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine.
jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)? You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case)
So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point.
His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop.
The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things.
Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS.
And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta.
Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.
You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum".
On March 08 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote: WoS ##Vote: WoS Now thou hast been summoth.. Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences.
On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:
On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote: Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts
I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound.
And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players.
Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript.
What dost make of this ! P.S. For good measure
On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote: I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner. That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later
On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote: In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie. So I'm going to vote WoS for now.
On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote: why does everyone think WoS is town et
On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good.
So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum. P.P.P.S
On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote: Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy.
Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim.
##Vote: WoS
Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great.
Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.)
LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke.
@Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote: Show nested quote +
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow
On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong.
What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now.
Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.
Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote.
You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred.
You've used that defense before, and it's just horribly bad. What do Prom and Geript's pre-death actions have anything to do with you? Their games have been different from yours. Oh actually come to think of it Prom's game HASN'T been all that different form yours. You were both useless, noncommittal (until now) and SCUM. But even ignoring the association (since it's weak) what matters most is what is your excuse for not participating in the rest of the game at all? How can you defend yourself saying "I want to survive, that's why I'm participating" when you SHOULD be participating to FIND FUCKING SCUM, and you only feel 'motivated' to do so when YOU'RE on the block.
First off, calm your tits.
I'm comparing my reactions because I don't understand why you're so surprised that my activity is up.
I'm not making any excuses for my past activity levels. But the fact is that right now, I want you dead. And you're now overreacting. Overreactions are good. They show me that I've pissed you off because, oh gosh, there are a few votes on you.
Die, scum, die.
I think maybe the only time I've been pissed off this game was watching geript 'flail around' as you put it because it was honestly frustrating to see him just throw himself away for no apparent reason. Hey we can even use Geript's 'behavioural analysis' here too! I'm swearing in my last post and capital letters so CLEARLY that means I'm pissed off! I mean looks I'm all excited and angry ---> SCUM!
Survey says: you're an idiot. And I'm not going anywhere. I just hope people get off the Glurio wagon and see how useless and scummy you are. It's very nice you're not making excuses for your scumplay, so how about doing something town-aligned to back yourself up? I haven't seen anything yet......
I'll make it real easy for you. If I'm scum, who's my scumbuddy? (And if you think it's Glurio, you've GOT to be stupid because considering the level of essentially crumbless blue-sniping that has occurred thus far, if you're suspecting two 'newbies' of being the last scum in the game then I don't even know what to say.)
Where? The vig shot on grush if jcarlsoniv flips town? Is there a reason not to shoot him? I mean he's completely useless and lurking hard, was the whole game in fact. No matter what jcarlsoniv or whoever gets lynched today, i think he is a great candidate for a vig shot.
EPT
