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On March 07 2013 23:27 layabout wrote:
For all intents and purposes we are treating vivax as town.
To be frank, I wasn't considering a Vivax lynch until JJ brought him up. - obvious from my WoS case.
But doubt on Vivax has been cast several times.. I think for the benefit of town, its best to remove him regardless of alignment.. hes barely contributing now that he is in 2 games anyways (and was contributing fuck all before hand). I dont see it as a big loss to town with scum restricted to 1KP.
Nobody has provided good reasons for us to not lynch aqua. Scum KP was missing but we are supposed to believe that scum didn't shoot and choose to block aquanim over the claimed vig or the claimed jailkeeper. The most likely scenario is that scum messed up their actions and aqua claimed a roleblock for towncred. It's also strange that he pointed out what in his filter is supposed to have drawn the roleblock since he has no need to attempt to drawn a roleblock and mafia would have no good reason to try to bluesnipe with their block when there are 2 claimed blue and 1 dead blue.
It was me who pointed out what I think could have drawn an Aquanim RB.
I agree the RB is odd; but you're looking from the perspective of an experienced player that *always* makes the right mafia decisions.
Vivax is an unorthodox player.
My read: WoS, is new to the arts of scum play. - As are a plethora of remaining players.
Its reasonable to assume they didnt know any better.
Yes this is an association defense, but considering there are fuck all vets left; its also fair to apply this heuristic to any scum team combination that doesnt include Dr.H or yourself.
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If you want an example, Mafia LIX
I was killed N3 (before other vets in the game - and to the shock of several in the obs qt)
Why? The only scum team left were newer players and made questionable decisions. (IIRC they eliminated me because of the threat that I was more familiar with their game, then the vets)
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well vivax with 2-3 non-towns left in the game and 4 players that look worse then jacarl it sure would be stupid to go ahead and lynch him.
Is there more than randombum's case against jcarl? since the first point is invalid, jcarl gave rationale for not wanting to lynch chez that was valid and his contradictory behavior was not in fact contradictory
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Well I will support WaveOfShadow or Vivax
based on what is on the cards today. I am not fussed on the order, as long as we can agree to the 8 votes for a lynch (which is looking difficult currently)
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@Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back.
MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you.
In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though. Case? Not much of a case, friend. You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work. It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow
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i'd would've sworn aqua had pointed it out but it appear he didn't
killing vivax today would be a sack of stupid.
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jcarl, its out of my hands (being in Australia timezone). I wake up 1 hr before lynch, and only have phone access till deadline.
As I said before, I will support WoS or Vivax lynch; which ever is closer to hitting 8 votes for majority.
Im going to be pissed if we can't consolidate between those two (unless you are layabout lol)
Going to bed now anyways.
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On March 07 2013 23:51 layabout wrote:
i'd would've sworn aqua had pointed it out but it appear he didn't
killing vivax today would be a sack of stupid.
If not vivax, will you support WoS lynch?
if you and I swap; I believe that gives us 5 votes out of 8 required.
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On March 07 2013 23:54 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:51 layabout wrote:
i'd would've sworn aqua had pointed it out but it appear he didn't
killing vivax today would be a sack of stupid. If not vivax, will you support WoS lynch? if you and I swap; I believe that gives us 5 votes out of 8 required.
If consolidation does not happen, then I won't let a no lynch happen. However, i would prefer if this could be consolidated on.
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Milk glurio is a better lynch than WoS by miles
glurio has been lurking very hard since day1 and has stayed out of the spotlight because of it. He also began treating vayesh as town very early on, and we can be relatvely sure that mafia felt threatened by BC since they offed him n1. In this post + Show Spoiler +On March 02 2013 01:17 glurio wrote:Ok i caught up. (Kinda skimmed since grushs fakeshot.) I believe vivax is telling the truth with his roleblock and vig statement. Also i think chez is probably a misguided town-dayvig would scum be so bold and really just shoot someone who isn't a big scumread in the face like that? I took a look at vayesh's filter. The reads he mentioned are the following: Wade Fell + Show Spoiler +On February 27 2013 06:36 VayeshMoru wrote:
It has come to the annuls of a man so lazy he forgot to don his mask. The shadows that adorned the face of this everywhere layer should come to reach the eyes of all. Tremble the men of black should start. The marching feet of justice shall not halt. A list of reads by VE where he thinks Toad might be third party + Show Spoiler +On February 27 2013 07:15 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 27 2013 07:05 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 27 2013 07:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
We're both pretty obviously lynching Prom. I'm not sure what you're getting at. Thoughts on more than one you have. Thoughts plentiful the doctor does have. Whichever most fall in a parallel line shall be the course to the voting shine. Yeah okay. Well here's where I'm at. MilkSuckler, Toadesstern, PromethelaxClearly you've seen how Toad is trying to take credit for the Prom lynch. Milk did the same thing directly after WF's case. They have both been downright indignant about it. What do you make of that? For my part I take it as scummy. I'm town, and my thoughts when others agreed was "whew" not "That bastard is trying to take credit for what I DID!" The scrambling for acknowledgement of their contributions to the upcoming lynch reads as trying to soak up town cred to me. of those thoughts Vayesh sees one common thought. A second thought is almost in align and the third is not yet fully concluded. The amphibian seems more some mutating thing, or perhaps the one who sells spirits. The man of bovine is still not fully alluded. geript + Show Spoiler +On February 27 2013 09:25 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 09:24 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 27 2013 09:21 geript wrote:
Prome I have more null to null minus as it feels more like he's intentionally trying to lynch himself. Right now I'm leaning more towards RO as all his posts read to me more towards general disinterest to trying to do anything. My problem is that I'm having trouble placing the underlying emotion so that I could really place the disinterest in perspective. You have a habit of not replying to all questions directed your way. & not quoting the questions.. makes it hard to assess your filter.. I would like to assume this behaviour is not intentional.. even phone posting its not hard to click "quote" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=58#1156For the question you chose not to address (for whatever reason) the ripped man is a man of the darkness. His serpentine ways are merely a habit of his nature Here a list of DrH where he agrees: layabout JJ geript testsubject vivax + Show Spoiler +On February 27 2013 11:17 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Gotta love seeing the mafia panic as soon as I get any cred. I'm not even pushing my own election. If I'm pardoner i wont use the power. Noone is confirmed town unless you're scum and already know or they die and flip. If your suspicion is based on the fact that I'm not confirmed as town, then kill anyone.
Misrepresenting as hell to say all i did was pressure prom a little. I made the biggest case to get the wagon rolling and I nailed wos and vivax to the wall immediately when I got wary of their posts. Even if I'm wrong about prom, my aggression and focus will have the scum sweating.
Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax
Gg no re
If you don't trust me, don't vote for me. If you're suspicious of me have the balls to call me scum. If your goal is to discredit a player who is scumhunting aggressively then you're not helping, especially if you can't point out how my case is so flawed, or honestly represent my post history. Geript has admitted only that i make him nervous and i doubt the town feels the same way. Hmmm who might react that way then?
Prom dies today, everyone else gets pressure. I'll save my next case for when it matters because splitting the wagons now does no good.
If you're just coming in now to discredit active townies after being absent from all productive town discussion, kiss your scum ass goodbye and learn how to play next time. Vayesh likes the words flowing from your gallifreyan mouth. The synconization of thoughts is more alike than that of any other soul. The logical conclusion is to give you power of the death machines. Toad scum/3rd party again + Show Spoiler +On February 28 2013 07:40 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 07:37 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 07:34 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 28 2013 07:32 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 07:30 glurio wrote:
I actually really don't wanna vote for VE, all his comments about possibly not lynching prom based on whatever mood he has?
Why are you pushing for VEs election toad? There is a chance that he'll just lynch you, he already said that before. I don't get it. he's kind of stupid and emotional but there's no way he's stupid enough to lynch me. He knows that'll get him instalynched if he's mafia and it has to be a joke trying to make me rage if he's town, though I don't really see the reasoning for that one... Anyways, if Prom comes in 2nd there's literally no way any mayor we elect can pull bullshit on us. I like the idea and we can just ignore VE once he becomes mayor. At least that's my plan for d2. VE has day vigi'd people who he knew were town (as town) to attempt to get someone he wanted lynched. He has revenge killed people for getting him lynched on bad play. He has countless number of examples of this style of play. You pushing for him this hard after his flip flopping of who he'd lynch compared to the steadfastness of Bh and drH baffles me. I think I'm more safe if Prom comes in 2nd. As I just said there's literally no way anyone can not lynch that way. VE comming in 1st while prom is not 2nd is kind of scary to be honest. He's incredibly volatile, incredibly emotional, as you just said but there's no way he could just not lynch prom if prom's the pardoner. As I said, VE being mayor isn't what I want at all but when I said it he was at 10 votes and the 2nd guy was at 5 votes... I'm trying to make the best out of it. I don't want VE in either position to be honest but we'll have to work with him I guess. Seriously stop dude. This entire play of yours is extremely anti town. I like VE. When hes on the ball he is a beast. Its getting him to that zone though and personally I find he works better at it with less pressure on him instead of more. However you just said "him for mayor isn't what I want" and then describe him as volatile, and emotional" after calling him stupid. If you were town you would not want this man in office. Toad is scum / third party geript again + Show Spoiler +On February 28 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's explicit in my posts, I have nothing to fear. geript is scum so fear him you should not Chez scum/3rd party + Show Spoiler +On March 01 2013 08:50 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 08:35 Toadesstern wrote:
Guess there can't be anything done about people not having a clue... Anyways shoot Macho / Grush and one out of BC / chez.
There'll be 2 or 3 mafias in there imo. The lynch on prom wasn't easy because it was an early bus (I know I'm town I am pretty damn certain VE and Laya are just being stupid right now) but because noone did something against it.
I'd say that means we have a vet on team mafia who wasn't around or wasn't active. That's BC and Chez for me right now. Maybe Dr.H because he started being active late but that's unlikely.
Don't lynch VE if someone was really stupid enough to shoot me because of what people said lately and don't listen to any "one of VE/Toad has to be mafia crap". We're both really egocentrical, both really volatile, both really proud, both resentful and those kind of attitudes easily clash with each other. So despite still being really angry about this game and being told I'm mafia for *insert random towntrait here* I realy don't think he's mafia.
Look for people who kept on telling bullshit about how we should be lynching into anyone like VE or me today (once grush and Macho are dead) because again, I'm pretty damn certain there won't be a mafia in Laya / VE and I'm also pretty damn certain Dr.H / BC aren't stupid.
Maybe BH is an alternative as well, he's been really unreasonable throughout d1 but that's kind of his thing so he's really hard to judge for me and I'd say BC / Chez are way more likely to flip mafia than BH is. Still, don't listen to anyone spouting nonsense about how we have to lynch into people looking good because the lynch was to easy. If that's the case (I'm pretty certain it wasn't) you deal with those people later on. Deal with people who are easy to read and lynch people who are looking bad because they're looking bad. Don't make it overly complex and try to pull big plays by lynching some random dude that makes 0 sense to lynch unless *insert fancy conspiracy theory* is true.
That's it from me for today. I ignored everything VE said. This post from you shows a large lack of understanding of the bc and chez meta for mafia. I will agree that chez is likely mafia or third party. My reasoning however is based on how upset he was about rolling red in LIX. He had 0 interest in the game when he rolled red then and similar level of sentiment here would indicate same shit. However given that he attempted to save some of his team in LIX and has done dickall here I would argue third party more likely than red. Given that I was posting the way I was the contributions I made were imo fine as well as the fact I came out and stopped you from doing something stupid. I am fine with a vig shot on macho or grush as they have near crap to really form a solid lynchable opinion on at this venture. I seriously want someone to stop this shit ive seen reoccuring in virtually every game ive played in recently where people get to say "bc is scum or likely scum shoot him/lynch him" with no reasons posted. It leads me to post lists of who I think is scum and not give anyone the benefit of my thought process as people piss me off to the point I feel they don't deserve it. Stop trying to discredit me without an actual case. And his death post: Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 08:57 VayeshMoru wrote:
not sure why obviousone is on so many lists -_-
However
Jcarlsoniv
Geript
Junglejorge
Layabout
Hassy
Chez
likely in that list is 2 mafia and 1 third party.
Haven't put in much more thought but RO, WF and milkman should all be on everyones watch lists as well. If DrH stops contributing like he did day 1 then hes likely third party.
Before anyone asks why I care about mafia and third party. Town has to off them to win as well. If you just look at the posts i quoted isolated, geript is clear winner with 4 posts about him. I do think we can find scum if we look at what he posted because there must be a reason why he got killed. He mentioned the following people (number of times they got mentioned): geript (4) toad (2) chez (2) JJ (2) layabout (2) hasyy (1) jcarlsoninv (1) wade fell (1) vivax (1) testsubject (1) He attempts to find mafia from vayesh's reads. Except all he does is say how many times vayesh mentioned people as scum reads and he concludes that geript must be the scum since he was mentioned 4 times. He does not try to add context or his own thoughts. His choice of geript is not linked to any analysis of gerpt's play. Except he tries to defend chez who flipped mafia.
He has been actively avoiding giving us his own thoughts or doing analysis.
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On March 04 2013 08:45 glurio wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 20:36 Aquanim wrote:On March 03 2013 20:30 geript wrote:
No, I thought he was town while you were attacking him. Call it starsenses, call it whatever you want. In rereading, and specifically thinking that the dude is disengaged from the game. Nothing particularly scummy about not wanting to play but feeling obligated to. Yeah I can sympathise with that. But it's whatever man, I think we're all agreed that I'm getting lynched tomorrow so you really shouldn't have to worry about it; like we all know that no matter what I flip, everyone's going to be saying "no reason to read him, dude's terrible." If you survive the night I'll wager 5 internet points that you don't get lynched tomorrow. A little bird has whispered in my ear. That is such a weird post. I really don't understand it. Sorry for not being here much this weekend. RO does look pretty scummy. But so does geript, and if we follow vayesh's reads (he was right with chez too) he should be lynched tomorrow imo. And yes i believe jcarlsoniv is a good vig shot.
I misread this the first time but here he calls RO scummy but then says we should lynch geript and vig jcarl. This is a good example of not sticking to a read. Had RO survived i think it's very likely that glurio would have just forgotten about him.
It's also worth pointing out that glurios stance has not changed since n2.
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jcarl why are you not considering glurio?
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What is this jcarlson only talks down other cases or players until he joins the cases of the guy who doesn't want to lynch him. No, he says While I agree I still really dislike Vivax , that means he agrees that Mocsta only wants to lynch me cause he thinks I'm useless to town despite not being scum.
This is purely opportunistic, he didn't contribute anything or make cases of his own. Instead he wants to sheep a policy lynch as OMGUS vote against me.
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and moc put your vote somewhere not stupid such as Glurio
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Iamp why are you treating jcarlson as townie I want to hear why you have a townread on him.
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##vote glurio
changing my vote
guys leaving aqua alive is irresponsible and risky but what do i know?
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On March 08 2013 00:31 Vivax wrote:
Iamp why are you treating jcarlson as townie I want to hear why you have a townread on him.
pretty sure i never said he was town but i believe glurio is the scum right in front of us and jcarl was somewhat suspicious of him earlier so that's good enough for me.
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On March 08 2013 00:34 The Macho Man wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 00:31 Vivax wrote:
Iamp why are you treating jcarlson as townie I want to hear why you have a townread on him. pretty sure i never said he was town but i believe glurio is the scum right in front of us and jcarl was somewhat suspicious of him earlier so that's good enough for me.
You ask him and Moc to switch their votes to glurio and now you say jcarl was suspicious of glurio earlier so that's your argument for voting him.
That sounds pretty much like you have a townread on jcarl. Is it just cause he finds the guy scummy you find scummy too? Did you actually look at jcarl's filter or have any argument besides that connection?
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EBWOP: That's your argument for reading him as town.
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On March 08 2013 00:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 00:34 The Macho Man wrote:On March 08 2013 00:31 Vivax wrote:
Iamp why are you treating jcarlson as townie I want to hear why you have a townread on him. pretty sure i never said he was town but i believe glurio is the scum right in front of us and jcarl was somewhat suspicious of him earlier so that's good enough for me. You ask him and Moc to switch their votes to glurio and now you say jcarl was suspicious of glurio earlier so that's your argument for voting him. That sounds pretty much like you have a townread on jcarl. Is it just cause he finds the guy scummy you find scummy too? Did you actually look at jcarl's filter or have any argument besides that connection?
i literally have no idea what your talking about.
I want people to vote glurio because he is scum that's all i want.
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Well whatever let's lynch that guy first, he's everything but a shining beacon of townieness and didn't show up to try and change that.
##Unvote
##Vote glurio
If I'll get a majority for jcarl I'll favour that though.
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