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wave you must be stupid since scum have literally just killed protown player that looked town and 2 of them flipped blue.
that doesn't tell us jack shit about who scum is.
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It doesn't, i just wrote that DrH.
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Lol why would you just write something clearly meant to be a point and then say there is no point
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On March 08 2013 03:14 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 03:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 08 2013 03:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 08 2013 02:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 08 2013 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back.
MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you.
In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though. Case? Not much of a case, friend. You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work. It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you. Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched? On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote:
Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place. As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever).I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore. On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more. On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.) Just so you dont feel ignored +1 Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl) See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party? K.. so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine. jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)?
You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case) So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point. His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop. The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things. Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS. And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta. Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum". On March 08 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote:WoS##Vote: WoSNow thou hast been summoth..
Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences. On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote:
Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound. And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players. Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript. What dost make of this ! 
P.S. For good measure On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote:
I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner.
That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later  On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote:
In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie.
So I'm going to vote WoS for now. On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote:
why does everyone think WoS is town et On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good. So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum.
P.P.P.S On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote:
Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy. Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim. ##Vote: WoS Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great. Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.) LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke. @Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong. What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now. Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote. You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred. You've used that defense before, and it's just horribly bad. What do Prom and Geript's pre-death actions have anything to do with you? Their games have been different from yours. Oh actually come to think of it Prom's game HASN'T been all that different form yours. You were both useless, noncommittal (until now) and SCUM. But even ignoring the association (since it's weak) what matters most is what is your excuse for not participating in the rest of the game at all? How can you defend yourself saying "I want to survive, that's why I'm participating" when you SHOULD be participating to FIND FUCKING SCUM, and you only feel 'motivated' to do so when YOU'RE on the block. First off, calm your tits. I'm comparing my reactions because I don't understand why you're so surprised that my activity is up. I'm not making any excuses for my past activity levels. But the fact is that right now, I want you dead. And you're now overreacting. Overreactions are good. They show me that I've pissed you off because, oh gosh, there are a few votes on you. Die, scum, die. I think maybe the only time I've been pissed off this game was watching geript 'flail around' as you put it because it was honestly frustrating to see him just throw himself away for no apparent reason. Hey we can even use Geript's 'behavioural analysis' here too! I'm swearing in my last post and capital letters so CLEARLY that means I'm pissed off! I mean looks I'm all excited and angry ---> SCUM! Survey says: you're an idiot. And I'm not going anywhere. I just hope people get off the Glurio wagon and see how useless and scummy you are. It's very nice you're not making excuses for your scumplay, so how about doing something town-aligned to back yourself up? I haven't seen anything yet...... I'll make it real easy for you. If I'm scum, who's my scumbuddy? (And if you think it's Glurio, you've GOT to be stupid because considering the level of essentially crumbless blue-sniping that has occurred thus far, if you're suspecting two 'newbies' of being the last scum in the game then I don't even know what to say.)
Wait wait wait. Crumbless blue sniping? Are you kidding me? You've hit two blues this entire game.
One was Vayesh, who was a very agressive town player and pushed prom D1. You want a cookie for that one?
The second was WF who helped push down Prom and single handedly continued to push on Chez D2. I'm surprised he lived as long as you guys let him.
As for your scumbuddy - I'm not that concerned with it right now. I'm more concerned with you dying.
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i also suspect the vivax rb was because he claimed his shot a lil early
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On March 08 2013 03:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 03:14 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 08 2013 03:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 08 2013 03:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 08 2013 02:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 08 2013 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back.
MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you.
In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though. Case? Not much of a case, friend. You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work. It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you. Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched? On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote:
Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place. As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever).I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore. On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more. On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote:
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Just so you dont feel ignored
+1
Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl) See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party? K.. so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine. jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)?
You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case) So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point. His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop. The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things. Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS. And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta. Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum". On March 08 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote:WoS##Vote: WoSNow thou hast been summoth..
Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences. On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote:
Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound. And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players. Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript. What dost make of this !
P.S. For good measure On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote:
I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner.
That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote:
In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie.
So I'm going to vote WoS for now. On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote:
why does everyone think WoS is town et On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good. So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum.
P.P.P.S On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote:
Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy. Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim. ##Vote: WoS Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great. Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.) LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke. @Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong. What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now. Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote. You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred. You've used that defense before, and it's just horribly bad. What do Prom and Geript's pre-death actions have anything to do with you? Their games have been different from yours. Oh actually come to think of it Prom's game HASN'T been all that different form yours. You were both useless, noncommittal (until now) and SCUM. But even ignoring the association (since it's weak) what matters most is what is your excuse for not participating in the rest of the game at all? How can you defend yourself saying "I want to survive, that's why I'm participating" when you SHOULD be participating to FIND FUCKING SCUM, and you only feel 'motivated' to do so when YOU'RE on the block. First off, calm your tits. I'm comparing my reactions because I don't understand why you're so surprised that my activity is up. I'm not making any excuses for my past activity levels. But the fact is that right now, I want you dead. And you're now overreacting. Overreactions are good. They show me that I've pissed you off because, oh gosh, there are a few votes on you. Die, scum, die. I think maybe the only time I've been pissed off this game was watching geript 'flail around' as you put it because it was honestly frustrating to see him just throw himself away for no apparent reason. Hey we can even use Geript's 'behavioural analysis' here too! I'm swearing in my last post and capital letters so CLEARLY that means I'm pissed off! I mean looks I'm all excited and angry ---> SCUM! Survey says: you're an idiot. And I'm not going anywhere. I just hope people get off the Glurio wagon and see how useless and scummy you are. It's very nice you're not making excuses for your scumplay, so how about doing something town-aligned to back yourself up? I haven't seen anything yet...... I'll make it real easy for you. If I'm scum, who's my scumbuddy? (And if you think it's Glurio, you've GOT to be stupid because considering the level of essentially crumbless blue-sniping that has occurred thus far, if you're suspecting two 'newbies' of being the last scum in the game then I don't even know what to say.) Wait wait wait. Crumbless blue sniping? Are you kidding me? You've hit two blues this entire game. One was Vayesh, who was a very agressive town player and pushed prom D1. You want a cookie for that one? The second was WF who helped push down Prom and single handedly continued to push on Chez D2. I'm surprised he lived as long as you guys let him. As for your scumbuddy - I'm not that concerned with it right now. I'm more concerned with you dying.
How you can consider Vayesh aggressive I have no idea, but alright I'll give you that. But Prom is going to be your example? Really? EVERYBODY wanted Prom dead, EVERYBODY made cases on him in various orders, he as obviously scum right from the get-go with his useless crap on RNG. (Lol 'you've hit two blues this entire game.' Subtle.)
I like that you conveniently choose to disregard my request for you to make another read. Pretty typical since you haven't done it all game; why start now?
It seems to me that if it comes down to either of us dying tonight (which I doubt very highly, tbh) all people really need to do is ask who has actually contributed, been transparent with reads, and been honest in everything they have done. Your foul-weather play is unacceptable in my eyes, and I would hope hope your adamant push on me will be seen by others as nothing more than the last death throes of scum.
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On March 08 2013 03:32 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 03:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 08 2013 03:14 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 08 2013 03:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 08 2013 03:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 08 2013 02:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 08 2013 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back.
MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you.
In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though. Case? Not much of a case, friend. You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work. It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you. Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched? On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote:
Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place. As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever).I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore. On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more. On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
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See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave?
Attempting to find 3rd party? K.. so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine. jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)?
You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case) So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point. His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop. The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things. Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS. And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta. Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum". On March 08 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote:WoS##Vote: WoSNow thou hast been summoth..
Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences. On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote:
Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound. And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players. Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript. What dost make of this !
P.S. For good measure On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote:
I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner.
That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote:
In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie.
So I'm going to vote WoS for now. On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote:
why does everyone think WoS is town et On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good. So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum.
P.P.P.S On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote:
Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy. Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim. ##Vote: WoS Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great. Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.) LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke. @Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong. What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now. Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote. You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred. You've used that defense before, and it's just horribly bad. What do Prom and Geript's pre-death actions have anything to do with you? Their games have been different from yours. Oh actually come to think of it Prom's game HASN'T been all that different form yours. You were both useless, noncommittal (until now) and SCUM. But even ignoring the association (since it's weak) what matters most is what is your excuse for not participating in the rest of the game at all? How can you defend yourself saying "I want to survive, that's why I'm participating" when you SHOULD be participating to FIND FUCKING SCUM, and you only feel 'motivated' to do so when YOU'RE on the block. First off, calm your tits. I'm comparing my reactions because I don't understand why you're so surprised that my activity is up. I'm not making any excuses for my past activity levels. But the fact is that right now, I want you dead. And you're now overreacting. Overreactions are good. They show me that I've pissed you off because, oh gosh, there are a few votes on you. Die, scum, die. I think maybe the only time I've been pissed off this game was watching geript 'flail around' as you put it because it was honestly frustrating to see him just throw himself away for no apparent reason. Hey we can even use Geript's 'behavioural analysis' here too! I'm swearing in my last post and capital letters so CLEARLY that means I'm pissed off! I mean looks I'm all excited and angry ---> SCUM! Survey says: you're an idiot. And I'm not going anywhere. I just hope people get off the Glurio wagon and see how useless and scummy you are. It's very nice you're not making excuses for your scumplay, so how about doing something town-aligned to back yourself up? I haven't seen anything yet...... I'll make it real easy for you. If I'm scum, who's my scumbuddy? (And if you think it's Glurio, you've GOT to be stupid because considering the level of essentially crumbless blue-sniping that has occurred thus far, if you're suspecting two 'newbies' of being the last scum in the game then I don't even know what to say.) Wait wait wait. Crumbless blue sniping? Are you kidding me? You've hit two blues this entire game. One was Vayesh, who was a very agressive town player and pushed prom D1. You want a cookie for that one? The second was WF who helped push down Prom and single handedly continued to push on Chez D2. I'm surprised he lived as long as you guys let him. As for your scumbuddy - I'm not that concerned with it right now. I'm more concerned with you dying. How you can consider Vayesh aggressive I have no idea, but alright I'll give you that. But Prom is going to be your example? Really? EVERYBODY wanted Prom dead, EVERYBODY made cases on him in various orders, he as obviously scum right from the get-go with his useless crap on RNG. (Lol 'you've hit two blues this entire game.' Subtle.) I like that you conveniently choose to disregard my request for you to make another read. Pretty typical since you haven't done it all game; why start now? It seems to me that if it comes down to either of us dying tonight (which I doubt very highly, tbh) all people really need to do is ask who has actually contributed, been transparent with reads, and been honest in everything they have done. Your foul-weather play is unacceptable in my eyes, and I would hope hope your adamant push on me will be seen by others as nothing more than the last death throes of scum.
I am in no way disregarding your request. I don't have an answer for you right now.
If I die, I'm looking forward to you eating your words.
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I was just about to post this but waited and lo and behold:
If I die, I'm looking forward to you eating your words.
Funny, i was thinking the same thing. Hmm...except maybe you'd have no words to eat because you haven't come up with anything concrete all game to have to apologize to town for, huh?
I think maybe the one positive thing I can think about me dying is people will stop bringing up ridiculous scripting arguments about me and maybe just try to take what I've attempted to do this game seriously. I almost, ALMOST want to die just so I can be vindicated, but that doesn't exactly help town right now. You're going down Soniv.
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I'm done flinging shit back and forth with you, btw. Town has proven themselves to be capable and intelligent thus far, I trust them to make the right decision.
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Wave don't make me quote you but you never got round to giving us your judgement on glurio. You say he is town based on doing nothing really early on and then say about 5 times how your going to look at him but you never do.
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I'll got to get to work now.
I'm not sure if i got internet there but i'm usually lucky. So expect me to be back again before deadline.
I'm town if you lynch me you get a mislynch.
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On March 08 2013 03:44 layabout wrote:
Wave don't make me quote you but you never got round to giving us your judgement on glurio. You say he is town based on doing nothing really early on and then say about 5 times how your going to look at him but you never do.
Deal. The reason I've been avoiding it is because the evidence has really been piling up against him and I'm having a hard time admitting I may be wrong based on my earlier meta reads.
Throughout the entire game his reads are simplistic but seem genuine, but then there is a lot of +1 on later on. I can't really say whether or not this is newbie indicative or what. His long post where he describes how often Vayesh mentions each person seems a really odd way of trying to determine what Vayesh's reads were; seems misguided but a townie attempt at least. Not sure what the scum motivation to make a weird and bad case like that would be since it's unlikely anyone was going to go for it.
His lurking recently doesn't look very good at all but apparently that's just how Glurio tends to play and doesn't seem to be indicative of his town OR scum play very much.
I honestly like his most recent content post and callout of my case on Mocsta, because while I have gut feelings on Mocsta (he's been rubbing me the wrong way a lot of the game) my case was grasping at straws to try to get people to pay attention to him in some way because I REALLY don't like how he goes unsuspected at all when i feel so badly about him.
Overall I'd probably have to say he still leans town for me. Newbie, not great town, but town nonetheless. If I'm wrong he's really improved his play behind the scenes.
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Oh and his long-ass list of WIFOM where he calls himself out for it being a bad idea is HUGE bad town tell. I should know, I've been guilty of it before.
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Oh and for the record, I don't think my case on Mocsta was complete bullshit. His filter is absolutely horrible to dive (I dare any one of you to try; maybe that's why he goes unscrutinized all the damn time?) and the fact that he doesn't stick to reads and throws suspicion around way more than anyone else seems indicative to me (or is just another factor of his spammy posting methods; i guess when your filter is twice as big as the next person's, you have twice the accusations?)
In any case I'm not looking to lynch Mocsta before Soniv, and i still want to hear more from Glurio before the day is out but I'm pretty sure of him.
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Out for a few hours. Should be back (on my phone) before flip.
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Ok I'm at work and do have internet, lucky me.
Can we have a votecount?
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On March 07 2013 23:51 layabout wrote:
i'd would've sworn aqua had pointed it out but it appear he didn't
killing vivax today would be a sack of stupid.
I was asleep.
Killing vivax today would indeed be a sack of stupid.
JJ, if I wanted to start lynching uncounterclaimed power roles today I'd start with you. Also, Vivax is town and was town before he claimed Vigilante.
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On March 07 2013 23:26 MilkSuckler wrote:
Aquanim,
The case on TestSubject893 hasn't swayed me.
Maybe my heuristics are flawed, but, I still see honesty and confusion in his posts; so my vote won't go there.
I see no honesty, merely prevarication.
On March 07 2013 23:27 layabout wrote:
We are not lynching testsubject since he looks town.
Care to explain this? Did you even read his damn filter? TS has done NOTHING helpful this entire game.
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On March 07 2013 09:00 GreYMisT wrote:Day 4 ![[image loading]](http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljroi21ANm1qili5to1_250.jpg) The town awoke to find Wade Fell the victim of the night, many of them recognized him as a voice of reason in the town, the sheriff trying to put together the clues before his demise. Still others remember that he was also a bit crazy, and that he reminded them of that guy on "A beautiful Mind".The remaining 2 red lights on the device shined brightly in the morning sun, and the town could feel a sense of urgency loom over them. They were close. Close to both salvation, and destruction. Wade Fell, the Sheriff, was killed!
It is now day 4! the day will last 24 hours! with 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch!
Wait a minute.
Is that possible that we are left clues in modposts??
If so, WF was paranoid sheriff and my earlier suspicions on him were correct...though it also means we can't really learn anything from any checks of his.
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On March 07 2013 23:36 The Macho Man wrote:
how about we stop being silly and actually listen to me.....
glurios one thing he contributed is to think he is going after third party it looks like to me he has no intrest in actually finding scum.... thats scummy
He is by far the best lynch.
That was indeed awful and if when I come back before lynch it's a choice between no-lynch and glurio I will vote glurio. Same for jcarlsoniv, though that lynch is giving me more bad feelings.
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