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MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 28 2013 17:52 GMT
#2046
On March 01 2013 02:50 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 02:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also fuck you Mocsta, I'll bad town you.
For the record I agree I'm lurking more than I expected to but being in school all day and having a 2-month old kid to take care of all night will do that to you.

I'm not sure why you automatically gravitate to the VE vote count for analysis, btw.

VE already mentioned it: He didn't want to be mayor, he rage'ed around the deadline and he was pretty damn unreasonable when he raged. All points that should make someone question VE and yet people ended up voting him as mayor, which is somewhat weird unless it's a "fuck this DrH guy!" attitude going around.

I actually agree with him. People voting VE without proper reason are weird because they should have at least stumbled upon his later posts doubting him but they apparently didn't.

+1

its why it took me 30min to write my reply... i finally got it after making 2 posts that disagreed with him.
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 28 2013 17:59 GMT
#2049
On March 01 2013 02:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 02:50 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 01 2013 02:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also fuck you Mocsta, I'll bad town you.
For the record I agree I'm lurking more than I expected to but being in school all day and having a 2-month old kid to take care of all night will do that to you.

I'm not sure why you automatically gravitate to the VE vote count for analysis, btw.

VE already mentioned it: He didn't want to be mayor, he rage'ed around the deadline and he was pretty damn unreasonable when he raged. All points that should make someone question VE and yet people ended up voting him as mayor, which is somewhat weird unless it's a "fuck this DrH guy!" attitude going around.

I actually agree with him. People voting VE without proper reason are weird because they should have at least stumbled upon his later posts doubting him but they apparently didn't.

Uh...here's my proper reason:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2013 06:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm probably not going to be around until 30 min or less before day end, so I'm going to stick with my vote on VE because I have no way of knowing if the plan is going to work out. Good luck, and VE, remember that there are a lot of people who are doing their best to trust you.
I haven't thus far seen any reasons you shouldn't be lynching Prom today.

This was quite a while before the lynch, well before VE started going nuts.
Yes he was flip-flopping a bit and so i could've voted Dr.H instead (didn't want to vote BH, didn't like his single-mindedness) but meh. I wasn't going to be around and VE was a decently safe vote. Hell I even left my vote on him and warned him before I left. Simple as that.

You're welcome to dive into my filter to find more Mocsta, but in my opinion it probably makes more sense to confirm higher-priority targets for tonight/tomorrow like people's thoughts on Vivax or Hassy.
I personally have another in mind, but as I said, it's coming.

If I didnt have the pardoner campaign in my head.. you would have been green for me.

But yes, as it stands you are not a priority read for me.. good luck with ya case, i look forward to reading it.
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 28 2013 18:06 GMT
#2052
Actually i dont like grush anymore

i was gonna save it for my end of night post but...
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 28 2013 18:22 GMT
#2054
Im going to bed...
Will give a very quick breakdown on why i changed my mind on Grush
============
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344&currentpage=18#342

This is me in Mafia LIX hitting Grush for unleashing Starsenses in his first post

The key point is the spoilered meta case from Prome !
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 15 2013 05:32 Promethelax wrote:
But I think he is town, at first I thought the green starsenses was different than his usual bread crumb but I went and looked.

LVII
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 07:28 grush57 wrote:
AWWW SHEEEEEEEEEET.
I KNOW WHY TOAD CALLED ME SCUM
I FORGOT
STARSENSES.


Hero
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 06:00 grush57 wrote:
Adam, Tunkeg, Vivax and a vet is my bet on scumteam.
STARSENSES.


LVIII
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 06:29 grush57 wrote:
On January 05 2013 06:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 05 2013 06:15 grush57 wrote:
Okay I just read the thread.. I'm going to go throw a vote on Hopeless.
##Vote: Hopeless1der

Comment on Palmar, Marv or BC in the meantime

Palmar- He was trolling and now he is being super op scumhunter. Now he is a good player so is that necissarily town?Idk, I don't think marv is scum but palmar has been wrong every time I played with him so far.
Marv- He just claimed cop, and I don't think eh should be lynched on D1.
BC- He is pretty inactive but he sais he will be back soon. He is a mega vet so I don't think we should lynch him while there are other MUCH MORE SCUMNMY LURKERS LIKE YOU HOPESS

Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.
Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.
Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.
[b]Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.[/b]
Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.

ALSO,

STARSENSES


so I'd say he is town. Just annoying not here town.



After all that meta evidence (+ include Mafia LIX) we get the outcome
so I'd say he is town. Just annoying not here town.

==============
This game with a scum prome.. we get:
On February 26 2013 12:02 grush57 wrote:
oh sure
STARSENSES
I did it in the first post also btw
On February 26 2013 12:06 Promethelax wrote:
You said it. But didn't bold it. I thought that might be your super gosh scum start with it.

I would say grush is mod confirmed townie at this point, we should make him or WoS pardoner.

Ironically.. this is the same quote for why I had doubts with WoS - care to respond pl0x

Point is.. as town.. prome believes in starsenses as a town tell (for early game)... and definitely does not infer STARSENSES is mod-confirmed town tell in any way, shape or form.

This contrast in word choice, is too drastic for me to accept as a natural thought; it reads as specifically designed to let Grush fly under the radar.

(thats it... his filter is barely readable blah blah etc)
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 28 2013 23:12 GMT
#2177
Welcome...
(1) WoS
I liked the case, dont despair because the feedback was low; you need to have confidence to just keep pushing it out there

(2) Geript
Reading that case wanted to make all the suckled milk in my head EXPLODE!!
Its terribad.
I won't lambaste you further, every man, cat and dog has been on you for that.
The only point I will make is.. if this was Day1, you could have swapped VE for Dr.H and it would have read the same....
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 28 2013 23:24 GMT
#2181
On March 01 2013 08:16 geript wrote:
So Moc. Where's your cases?

Its night... why would i make a case.. im not scum
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 28 2013 23:25 GMT
#2182
EBWOP
in particular... shit cases
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 28 2013 23:27 GMT
#2183
Btw Geript.. keep up the passive aggressiveness

Or to borrow from when you play town
On February 12 2013 01:11 geript wrote:
3. He has diarrhea of the keyboard

Where 3 = you
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 28 2013 23:37 GMT
#2186
On March 01 2013 08:35 geript wrote:
It's ok Moc. One of these days I'll be Vig and shoot you because I can.

Gotta roll town first, dear :p
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 28 2013 23:43 GMT
#2191
On March 01 2013 08:39 geript wrote:
My history of playing mafia is like 12-1 VT to mafia

And... so what

so your history is 12-1.. means fuck all for whether you are town this game

You talked up ya game big time in NMM37, not seeing deliveries on any of the promises so far...
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 28 2013 23:54 GMT
#2197
MilkSuckler Last Will Post
I am going to keep this short and sweet

Below are very short notes on each player..
(Leave = Leave Alone; Yes = Put some time in)

Feel free to interpret Yes as scum or null

+ Show Spoiler [Short Reads N1] +

Toadesstern: Leave
The early bus would only make sense if he ran for mayor. I think ppl are judging him on epeen ego bashing (due to wanting first rights cred) too much.

Grush57: Yes
Already outlined in my filter why I dont like prome "mod confirming" him.

Vivax: Leave Alone
Im liking him more and more. Did a good pick up on Toad regarding mayor run. He lasted LXIII as scum with no one suspecting him (even in obs); so will scrutinise him more and more as end game approaches

The Milkman: Leave Alone

Glurio: Leave Alone
I made a soft meta read on him in my filter. I stand by that

TestSubject893: Leave Alone
His Day1 posts are limited but I liked them.. the low activity is worrying; I would like him to step it up Day2

jcarlsoniv: Yes

The Macho Man: Yes
I know I said null earlier, and still think that NOW... but.. Day2 this guy HAS to step up, pls pressure him; playing two games at once, we have a decent chance to make him slip if scum

Chaos Bear: N/A

randombum: Leave Alone
I gave reasons before (weak as though).. doesnt seem to be on anyone radar; I would prob start prioritizing his filter after Night 2, for now, content to leave him be

WaveofShadow: Leave Alone
I have one outstanding question i need him to address (wrote it in italics)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294&currentpage=103#2054

VayestMoru: Leave Alone
When this guy was around Day1, I shared the same reads as him... want to see more from him of course; but is just not on my active to do list for Day2

VE: Leave Alone
His VCA post had some really good insight. Seriously.. i had to re-write my response 2 or 3 times, because I was starting to unravel the implications he made... i really doubt scum would be putting that type of effort to figure out the game (as the contribution was not required at that point in time)

MilkSucker: Leave Alone
Town, cept all that suckled milk is starting to explode from 110 pages of thread

Wade Fell: Leave Alone
I would love him to contribute more; he didnt have to sacrifice his campaign in the last 30min.. he actually still had a chance. Not sure if scum would do that, I think his epeen came out enough to not suggest scum play if he did stick it the race

ObviousOne: Yes
Too much contrast in play from his last game... as an outted Sk, he was trying to help town more than in this game... I know the playing list is larger; but his willingness to post, implies he could contribute *IF* he wanted to

Geript: Yes
Complete different thought process from his last game (NMM37).. there he prided himself on critical thinking, sorting through the bullshit, and standing up and telling it how it is.
What I have seen this game is a guy trying to find others mistakes and just hounding them relentlessly even though the question has been answered (reminds me of Djodref scum play lol)... His tunneling is not really developing reads either because hes so confrontational about it.
If I had the means, i would take him out tonight.

DoctorHelvetica: Leave Alone
If this guy survives night 1... I would pay very careful attention to who he is scum hunting Day 1

JungleJorge: Yes
Im still not buying the prome interactions/defense... I have to double check filter but I believe in Day1 he said it was a trap. and night 1 he said it was a genuine defense...

Hassybaby: Yes
Already gave reasons in filter

Restraining Order: Yes
Has this guy done anything? One of my higher priority targets to follow up on

Chezinu: Yes
He was lurky as scum in Mafia LIX (but at least had two ppl mason him as an excuse)... i dont really see one this game.. I would seriously consider just shooting him, so I dont have to be stuck with whether he is town or scum (even one of his posts suggests a game where town talk about that lol)

layabout: Yes
I cant remember his filter in detail, other than he nit picked at Wade Fell early game on something taken comlpetely out of context. Cant tell if self-centric townie pissed at being ignored or lurking scum. Will prob give him a decent once over if around.

aquanim: Leave Alone


==================

From the ppl with a yes; my priorities for Day2 would be:
jcarlsoniv, ObviousOne, Geript, JungleJorge, Hassybaby; maybe Restraining Order
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 28 2013 23:59 GMT
#2202
JJ is a common factor and needs to GO
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 28 2013 23:59 GMT
#2204
On March 01 2013 08:58 VayeshMoru wrote:
Also Aquanim had one of the most fucked up posts i've ever seen for his "death" post.

Why include reads on people you aren't sure about. Put down the ones you think are scum and why. Null tells are fucking useless.

Guess that includes me
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
March 01 2013 00:01 GMT
#2216
GG guys... surprised with Vayesh
VE, twas a pleasure
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
March 01 2013 00:05 GMT
#2221
On March 01 2013 09:02 Vivax wrote:
I got roleblocked.

Anyone else?

Show me the breadcrumbs....
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
March 01 2013 00:14 GMT
#2228
hmmm on one hard I want to just lynch Geript outright.. but then we lose 48hrs (kinda like with prome)

im gonna walk away for the first 1/4 of the cycle and see what the less active ppl come up with.
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
March 01 2013 00:15 GMT
#2230
On March 01 2013 09:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 09:12 The Milkman wrote:
On March 01 2013 09:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
So...either we had a doc save someone, or there is no SK. Would be lovely not to have to worry about that extra kill.

My sentiments from D1 on JJ still stand. I have to drive back to school, but I'd like to hear from him, and I'm gonna reread his filter when I get a sec.

If you want to wifom here's a thought for you:
Mafia doublestacked VE.
That means we have one kill too much.


Oh yeah, I always forget you can double stack kills.

Getting in the car for realsies now

Why do u feel the need to keep telling me u going to the car, or airport or whatever it has been....

Reads to me as over compensating.
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
March 01 2013 01:00 GMT
#2260
I must say.. one sticking point for Geript is

I asked Geript about Dr.H halfway through Night 1... he responded by changing his pressure to VE (due to Day 1)

if scum.. i see no reason for him to tunnel VE that hard.. ESPECIALLY if they knew he was gonna be NK'd

Thought on that ppl?

MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
March 01 2013 01:05 GMT
#2262
On March 01 2013 10:00 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 09:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
There are two roleblocks in this game, who was roleblocked by the concussion shot?


I'm being told that I've been roleblocked and that's it.

Can we lynch MilkMan pls?

No

I havnt seen anything to doubt my town read so far...
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
March 01 2013 01:06 GMT
#2263
On March 01 2013 10:05 The Milkman wrote:
Furthermore:
Vivax attacks me on the basis of my day one play. He also claims to be a vigilante. His scum reads he has expressed throughout the day and night were me and glurio. He chose to shoot hassybaby. If he is so dead set on me being scum based on day one play, why he did not try to kill me? Easy. First, he is not a vigilante. Second, he is scum.

No.. he clearly expressed disdain for hassy

and called him scum (night 1)
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