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Also, need moar people to join so this game isn't at its peak during my midterms.... | ||
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I tend to let mine grow out on occasion but it often looks quite awful and I don't think my kid appreciates it much either. | ||
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On February 06 2013 03:43 glurio wrote: Let's not start on the weekend this time around! In fellow newbies!  Well we can always start next Monday if we don't fill up soon. Which really sucks for me. Why won't people jooiiiiinnnn | ||
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Is this a usual problem with newbie games? | ||
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On February 07 2013 03:23 warbaby wrote: I could try writing a blog (with lots of nonsense and pictures) but I'm not sure I'm qualified to be telling other people to join mafia yet, since I've hardly played it at all myself. Part of me wants this game to take forever to fill up (or even /out), so I can catch up on work. But the other part of me likes playing mafia way more than doing work. T_T You're assuming people are going to read your blog lololol. But yeah nonsense and pictures and stuff for some reason are the more popular blogs so i say DOO EET | ||
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I apologize in advance for being really shitty at this. Is ma furst rodeo. | ||
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On February 08 2013 05:20 zarepath wrote: If I roll scum, I wouldn't want to use WIFOM because you'd call it a scum tell. So clearly if I end up using WIFOM, I will be town. Except that WIFOM doesn't get you anywhere more often than not and only serves to muck people up, so why bother using it if town? | ||
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And so now everyone can meta my reading comprehension. | ||
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Of course you can! Well I couldn't before! Dr. Se-uss Dr. Se-uss.... | ||
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I thought we had to wait until 20:00 but I guess since others are posting... I'm completely against RNG lynch I'd much rather to lurker if possible if we need a Day 1 strategy. Mocsta I saw in a game you were recently in (i'm kinda busy to check right now) someone suggested RNG lynch and everyone immediately dumped all over him for scum. Why should this game be any different? | ||
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On February 11 2013 11:08 Mocsta wrote: Its hard to say; I dont actually have a problem if you or Sn0_Man or anyone else do not want RNG. [Just dont call it retarded as a reason for no] But I did have a problem with him flaming me due to grammar. If he did not understand the sentence, due to the incorrect usage of verbs whatever, than ask for clarification. I dont believe he asked for clarificaiton, which logically means it was an attempt to publicly mock me - why else bring attention to this. And I do not see how that really offers any benefit to Day 1 discussions. So based on the "cheap-shot" flaming, would have probably carried a similar sentiment. As far as I'm concerned, early game banter based on taking offense to others cheap shots or picking apart grammar is useless and should just be ignored. I'm fairly sure at this point enough people have declined the RNG vote so the topic should be dropped by everyone. Can the scumhunting begin now? | ||
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We don't have a lot to go on as there are still people in the thread who haven't even posted since the start of D1 (more than half, so no point listing them yet) so I'm going to be ballsy and let Mocsta know that I have my eye on him for filter burying. That being said it's really because it's way too early to have a solid scumread at this point, so unless more people come out of the woodwork (and we can get a soild read on them) I will be voting to lurker lynch D1. | ||
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On February 11 2013 11:33 Mocsta wrote: Filter burying? Please clarify You talk a lot, and it's not always useful. Clarified. Going to go eat and study. Will check on the thread every so often but I'm not expecting much activity for a while. | ||
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I have to agree with Mocsta here, at the very least lurker removal D1 can be a useful strategy, but I can't say I'm in favor of removing those who are performing the bare minimum (read: have actual 'qualitative additions,' as geript put it) when there will be scum actively trying to disrupt our hunting efforts. If it comes to pass that those who are performing the bare minimum ARE the scum who are detracting from our efforts, then that's another story, but I feel like we should be slightly more certain of this than a regular lurker lynch, and I would also argue that this kind of thing would have to happen after D1. Once again, making my position very clear: if you are inactive or do not contribute to the hunt D1, then you are my target. Obviously the Day is still young but I expect more from my Town as the day progresses. | ||
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On February 11 2013 13:28 cDgCorazon wrote: So you are more likely to lean towards a "Lynch All Lurkers" position for D1? If that is the case, I kind of disagree with this way of thinking. I think we should vote for the player who acts the scummiest. This sums up my feelings about D1 lynches very well. I also like the soft town claim (I bolded it). Put it this way: if there is an extremely strong scumread on someone that is nigh irrefutable, then great, I can get on board. Otherwise LAL, but as I said, we shall see how the day progresses. Also regarding the soft claim (I feel I should address it) wouldn't I say the same thing if I were scum?  | ||
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On February 11 2013 13:41 Mocsta wrote: Sorry, but, I cant even begin to fathom what you are implying with this? Please clarify, as it reads very WIFOM to me. I'm trying to say don't look too much into it. There are more important things to be done like scumhunt; determining as to my town alignment should become obvious by my future actions, not by my words. On February 11 2013 13:44 warbaby wrote: WaveOfShadow, this is not your town. It's not my town, and it's not Mocsta's town. It is the town, and it's members shall think for themselves and analyze the thread before doing stupid things. Please. Warbaby, this sure as hell is my town as I'm a part of it and I care about it. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm telling or leading people not to think for themselves or that I'm doing something stupid. | ||
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On February 11 2013 13:58 cDgCorazon wrote: I love how Mocsta just accused WB of trying to associate him with town and then WB just hard-claims town. @WB: Do you mean VT or some other blue role? If it makes you feel better, you have a 100% telling-the-truth rate when it comes to claiming roles. @Waveofshadow (WoS from now on): You don't own the town. It is the town. We all care about it collectively. It's a socialist concept thrown into the English language. Stop pretending that you own all of us. Jeez you guys are sensitive. In no way did I insinuate that I am the leader or that I own you guys, nor am I or have I ever bossed anyone around thus far in the game; people need to stop looking for things to be offended about when there is nothing. Makes you look scummy. Alright no more posting until I get something RL-related done but I leave with this final thing. Warbaby, if you are soft-claiming blue, I would have thought you had learned from previous NMM; blue claim is really not a good idea this early into the game. | ||
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I can honestly say I didn't expect to have an attempted bandwagon started against me in the time I was gone, but I will do my best to refute what zarepath has started against me. Give me a few minutes to consolidate my shit. | ||
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On February 12 2013 00:38 zarepath wrote: Wave of Shadow, though, is a whole other matter. His first post: Theory talk, and then soft-calls Mocsta scum, the person who has at that point looked the most Mayorly. Notice that he doesn't really follow up on this. Enough with the Mayorly business. If I was really trying to control everyone's thoughts and actions (as THREE people have now addressed, one of which, Corazon, didn't even bother to address when I refuted it) I would have been around to do so. The soft-call on Mocsta was to prevent him from continuing to shit up his filter, which for the most part didn't work I can see. I don't really have a read on him. Second post: A few things here. WaveofShadow takes upon himself the mantle of being the Reasonable Break-It-Up! Guy, even though people have already moved on. It's not Being Town, it's Acting Town. Also note the insinuation that nothing in the thread so far has been worthy of contribution -- the scumhunting hasn't started yet, according to him. He simultaneously puts himself up as Pro-Town and everyone before him as Anti-Town. It's all posturing, zero substance. Once again, breaking it up because Mocsta shit filter. I'm serious when I say I want to get scumhunting going, I guess it was just too early in the day and I had nothing to go on to contribute. Third post is super scummy: Wait -- why is he posting? Only so that people don't assume he wants to dip back into the shadows. The number one motivation for this post is to NOT LOOK SCUMMY, by his own admission. But what about content? He basically says that there is nothing going on and that there's nothing to see here until the lurkers post. Does that sound like a productive Day 1 for town? Hardly. The main thing that's a contribution here is that he has his eye on Mocsta for filter-burying, pretty much the absolutely easiest and most obvious "read" to make in this thread. So in sum, this post contributes nothing and is made solely for the purpose of not looking like mafia. And has he never heard of Mocsta before, or what? (And even though his eye's on him, he says in the same post he's going to vote for a lurker. So there's really not any pressure put on Mocsta if he actually thinks he's scum.) Fourth: Weird theory crap -- I still don't understand if he's saying that lurkers are more likely to be scum or poor contributors. It kinda sounds like both. In the end, he makes his position "very clear." Uh, what? Fifth post, super scummy: Um, if there's an irrefutable scum read on someone, and that's the only time when you'll get on board, there's a term for that -- it's called busing. The last part of the post is the best, though. Did he just call himself scum using WIFOM? And more importantly, why would town ever use WIFOM? As a very wise man who hadn't received his role PM once said: Sixth post, weird defensiveness against others addressing him: "Don't look too much into it." "Don't worry, don't read what I say, you'll know that I'm town soon enough, don't even bother thinking about me as mafia." What kind of townie says "don't analyze me in any way, please!"? Also, kind of overemphatic about his town-alignment claim here. My WIFOM post (which was the one I immediately regretted) was only to try and get people not to focus on me because IT IS A WASTE OF TIME. I stand by absolutely everything I have said thus far, I figure I should have just phrased most of it better. Final post: People calling him out means that they are super-sensitive, not that there's something wrong with his posting? And in return, he calls those people scummy, outright, but doesn't back it up. Oh, by the way, has to go to RL now. And his final thought is hopping onto the Warbaby bandwagon, but in kind of a compromised way -- he's not calling him scum, he's insinuating bad blue. In sum Wave of Shadow has done nothing but promote to me the idea that he is scum, and while I can see a warbaby acting the way he has because of stress/pressure of people mislynching two days in a row, there's no town motivation for what Wave of Shadow has posted. ##Vote: WaveofShadow I'm not hopping on any bandwagon, I was basing my 'advice' on what I had seen from warbaby in a previous game (which I can see most people have done to him already and have sent him off the deep end to no benefit). Zarepath I admire your scumhunting skills, and you make a very strong case, but honestly the strength of your case simply relies on bad town and nothing more. I will hopefully improve going forward and we can get something real done. Now as far as I'm concerned, LAL. Glurio basically fitting to his MO from last game rings alarm bells for me much more strongly than a 9-bit or Macheji lynch, I must admit. There are others however, who have not even done the bare minimum in my eyes, namely Sylencia who jump on the warbaby train and disappears, and Sevryn who has contributed nothing worthy of note so far. In my LAL spirit though, until I see something, I'm going to stick with it. ##Vote: Macheji | ||
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On February 12 2013 05:44 Sn0_Man wrote: WoS has basically managed to come up with: I'm not scum, Honest! Plz forgive terribad posting, I promise to improve. I'm happy to give him another day, but that defense hardly clears his name. @Warbaby care to clarify what part of Glurio's post is particularly townie compared to last game? I fully expect that, were he to roll scum again, he would up his game at least a bit with respect to looking more townie as scum. So one kinda OK post isn't gonna clear his name. I don't really expect my name to be cleared by my defense; I essentially deserve the accusations against me due to shitposting. All I can hope for is for people to stop looking in the wrong direction as scumreads become stronger and I prove myself. On February 12 2013 05:48 zarepath wrote: I think it's telling that your main defense for each of my points was "I immediately regretted it" or "I now come to regret it." You say that you are bad town, but that is exactly how mafia want to be seen. I also see your very committal vote onto someone who hasn't even posted yet. My vote remains and we'll see how the rest of the day unfolds. Fair. Now I've been looking at Sylencia's filter and he was one of the only people who came up with the best reason to turn down an RNG lynch (it mathematically favours scum) and performs and interesting analysis on warbaby's blue/maybe-not-blue claim but has contributed absolutely nothing else, short of a weak noncomittal accusation of warbaby. I was interested by his analysis though, and I'd like to see some more from him. | ||
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On February 12 2013 05:48 geript wrote: Ummm what? So, you're seeing alarm bells and aren't interested in putting pressure on them. Instead you're more interested in deflecting towards anyone else? You have clearly no interest in trying to make a case whatsoever or in doing any analysis. ##change vote waveofshadow Just did, would you like me to put pressure onto absolutely everybody I currently suspect-of-maybe-being-scum-but-they-haven't-done-much-so-we'll-see? I'm not deflecting, I'm sticking to my guns, and if I did anything else, you all would call me out on it. | ||
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On February 12 2013 06:04 zarepath wrote: [/b]Eh, go ahead and WIFOM, I can't blame you for it But you can blame me? | ||
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On February 12 2013 07:12 glurio wrote: So wait i posted when i had time, RL kicks in and i'm suddenly lurking? Sorry but sometimes shit comes up which really doesn't allow me to be here 24/7 even midday. sn0: So wait i was scum last game and lurked and town the game before and lurked, how is it you only point out the scum game? I'll have some more stuff to finish, after that expect my case on sn0. And no it's no OMGUS. Glad to be hearing from you, glurio. The strength of your case will essentially decide for me whether or not I should bother keeping my eye on you for D1, so make it a good one. Also interested to see how you're going to avoid OMGUS since I'm pretty sure Sn0 has avoided any suspicion thus far. (Except maybe WB early?) Also what are people's stances on lurker lynching re: 'semi-active' lurking v complete lurking? Those that fall into the first category being glurio and Sylencia (though I'm debating adding Sevryn to that list. Sevryn shares my stances on lurkers it seems though hasn't committed to anything or laid any cases down.) The second category being 9-bit and Macheji. As of now I'm still sticking with lynch of second category being more useful but those in the first had better contribute more than they have. | ||
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On February 12 2013 07:26 Sn0_Man wrote: In case what I'm saying isn't clear, I feel that low-content posters are worse than 0-posters. See this is what I'm starting to realize as they day has gone on. I still don't like the idea of the 0-posters escaping, but the low content (both qualitatively and quantitaively) posters seem like they would be good candidates as well. I'm very interested as to the rest of the town's ideas on this, because as was pointed out to me, a 0-post count lurker lynch this early may not make a lot of sense. | ||
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On February 12 2013 07:48 cDgCorazon wrote: Where does Mandalor fit into this? It's funny how he makes a post saying that at least one lurker has been scum over past games and yet decides to lurk himself... I was debating adding Mandalor to my list despite his FoS on me since he seems to have the right idea, but you're right. It's been almost 24 hours and we need to see more from him as well if he doesn't want to be included in his own definitions of lurking. | ||
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On February 12 2013 08:46 glurio wrote: Let's take a look at sn0, shall we? He has a total of 26 posts since the game started. I'll now spoiler all posts with actual content that isn't discussing the english language or talking about lurkers. (Why i don't count these i'll explain later). + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2013 00:19 Sn0_Man wrote: Warbaby looks scummy, but I don't see how you lynch somebody this active day 1. FWIW he looked something like this last game (although he was doing a lot more "scumhunting" and a lot less "plz don't lynch me I townie for sure") For what it's worth mocsta I think that you too are looking kinda similar to the last game I played with you (minus a key difference in a post a while back about lynching lurkers and scum vs bad town). And we know what that entails. What I really want are introductory posts from our remaining players 9-bit, severyn and macheji. Well, that and for warbaby to lose his victim card somewhere so that he stops playing it. + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2013 01:55 Sn0_Man wrote: Personally, I think geript is getting a bit of a free ride with a bunch of low-content posts designed to look "active" without really helping town or pushing much of an agenda. Long post to follow once I finish it (be warned). + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2013 02:21 Sn0_Man wrote: My review of geript: At the start of the game (utterly disregarding pre-game), geript leads with some lighthearted banter-style posts, pretty much continuing the pre-game: + Show Spoiler [Fluff Posts] + On February 11 2013 09:38 geript wrote: /confirm /this time for realz Both geript and warbaby are self admitted to be terrible. In the interest in addition through subtraction, I suggest people make an argument as to which is better to keep. ##vote warbaby On February 11 2013 09:47 geript wrote: @Warbaby, did Mr. Bimble tell you to post that? That out of the way, geript proceeds with some "content" posts. These are short posts that seem primarily aimed at, well, establishing a non-fluff presence in town. They seem pretty null to me. + Show Spoiler [warning: this one is decently large] + On February 11 2013 09:51 geript wrote: Mocsta: four people one way or another have responded in the negatory to RNG vote. That in the least is enough to negate the usefulness of RNG vote. Please cease your discussion of RNG as it is more likely to be a waste of time (both posting and rereading) at this point. On February 11 2013 09:58 geript wrote: @Cora can we please keep the tone constructive. Turning people directly towards an emotional response is worthless right now. @Mcosta please reread my post. I did not say it was a majority at all, just that it was enough to negate any perceived value of RNG. On February 11 2013 10:29 geript wrote: My point was thus: should everyone else adhere to RNG, 4 votes represents a voting majority in most cases. This it is better to ignore RNG as the benefits it has/may have (dependent on viewpoint) are negated by an outside majority. /done with talking about RNG. On February 11 2013 12:00 geript wrote: @Sn0_man. If the English discussion/correction was irrelevant, why post it? On February 11 2013 12:30 geript wrote: I find it to be a rhetorical question in that things irrelevant to the game aren't worth discussing. My WB vote is just an opening I wanted to try out that got outpaced by RNG. I for one am fine with addition by subtraction as a policy as I feel it is the basis for both the Lynch All Lurkers policy--in that lurkers add little to nothing-- and is the basis of scum hunting--in that they tend to actively try to detract from discussion through inaction, burying and misdirection. On February 11 2013 12:46 geript wrote: I mean that the general concept of it: make the town better by removing the person(s) with the least qualitative additions. We are either removing detractors (thus net gain) or removing scum (actual gain). ## change vote unvote On February 11 2013 13:22 geript wrote: I would argue that removing room to hide is important as it forces scum to constantly be better than the guy in last place. If scum can in fact beat the curve so to speak, then it's the bottom end's fault for not making their role/side clear. I wouldn't blame to top end for voting out scummiest/least town-like in that case. I would argue least qualitative = least town-like; note that's qualitative not quantitative. Bare minimum does not automatically equal least qualitative. Having established his interest in "Addition by Subtraction" (a legitimate idea, though poorly explained), he moves on to his one big post (also his first post today). + Show Spoiler [Geript's big post] + On February 12 2013 01:11 geript wrote: I do think warbaby is town. On points 1 and 2: While this is a newbie game, I don't think that taking his townie claim or referencing 36 as anything other than a null read. Sorry, but I'm not seeing the point you're making in 4 either. As I read: more as trying to get the town as a whole involved rather than have Mcosta posting incessantly as he has been. While I agree on point 3, that warbaby hasn't really partaken in scum hunting, I don't think that this is a good measure of town v scum 6 hours into D1. To be honest, your case feels more like a gag. My concern would moreso be Mocsta. 1. He seems unconcerned as to who to throw towards the vote While some may read it as him aggressively trying to test the town, I read his posts and various switches and tests as just trying to see where he can gain traction. As well, he jumps on the first person having any real traction. 2. He doesn't even read his own posts First, he calls Warbaby's generic opening scummy when it's null at best. Next he tacks on his own important notes, and finally he calls Warbaby's initial post null. 3. He has diarrhea of the keyboard Additionally, he brings ups the post consolidation point which he actively avoids. Here he's accusing me, in effect, of running for mayor all while pushing his RNG agenda heavily. Blames warbaby for coming back to post 2 times after 'taking a break' when Mocsta has posted 8. At best, all this comes off as unintentional bad play. At worst it's an overexcited scum player. I find the latter more believable and either way I feel better about lynching him currently than lynching a lurker. A few things to highlight in the post above: 1) A town read on warbaby. While he gives OK reasons for a null read, I didn't really see any justification for "I do think warbaby is town". 2) A target that is distinctly not "addition by subtraction" based. Mocsta isn't a low-content poster. Sure most of his posts are bleh but at least he is making them. 3) Most of geript's points are based on ad-hominem attacks on mocsta and his style rather than on his play and contributions. I mean, I don't like Mocsta or his style either, but I think this game he has begun making real contributions to town. Rather than outline stuff that is scummy, geript is focusing on more peripheral stuff. Basically, I thought that yesterday, geript said a bunch of nothing while trying to look active, then today he made a big bullshit case trying to look like he was contributing. Not really clear scum, but not enough good things to deserve the easy ride he has had. I'm not voting him because I don't see the value in voting 30+ hours pre-deadline, and I thing "FoS"s are retarded, but I will say that geript has my attention. PS: geript's entire filter is in there minus his most recent fluff post. just btw. + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2013 05:12 Sn0_Man wrote: Thats a long-ass filter you just asked me to read. The short version: He made a post a while back about the difference between lynching bad town and scum, which was spot on and actually was quite opposite of what scum would be telling noobs. Plus I think that he could easily have gotten away with a much more deceptive, scum motivated theory that I don't think town would have properly analysed. Plus he has avoided making super-ultra-ridiculously BS cases (something he did a lot of last time I played with him). It isn't that I have a strong town read, but I'm definitely leaning town here. Plus I still want to lynch a lurker today and slim this down to a game where everybody is contributing. BTW Glurio is squarely on my list of lurkers right now at 2 posts (no better than the 0-posters). + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2013 05:44 Sn0_Man wrote: WoS has basically managed to come up with: I'm not scum, Honest! Plz forgive terribad posting, I promise to improve. I'm happy to give him another day, but that defense hardly clears his name. @Warbaby care to clarify what part of Glurio's post is particularly townie compared to last game? I fully expect that, were he to roll scum again, he would up his game at least a bit with respect to looking more townie as scum. So one kinda OK post isn't gonna clear his name. Thats a total of 5 out of 26 If you include the one liner #2. Now let's look at some of his posts. Heres one quoted for your convenience. + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2013 05:12 Sn0_Man wrote: Thats a long-ass filter you just asked me to read. The short version: He made a post a while back about the difference between lynching bad town and scum, which was spot on and actually was quite opposite of what scum would be telling noobs. Plus I think that he could easily have gotten away with a much more deceptive, scum motivated theory that I don't think town would have properly analysed. Plus he has avoided making super-ultra-ridiculously BS cases (something he did a lot of last time I played with him). It isn't that I have a strong town read, but I'm definitely leaning town here. Plus I still want to lynch a lurker today and slim this down to a game where everybody is contributing. BTW Glurio is squarely on my list of lurkers right now at 2 posts (no better than the 0-posters). I bolded the odd part. Why wouldn't scum tell the town what exactly they should be looking for and just avoid exactly these things? Since Sn0 spotted the seemingly non-scum-motivated theory how come he thinks he wouldn't have spotted the much more deceptive scum-motivated theory? So I would up my game if i roll scum again, but i'm not so i'm a scummy lurker? What? That doesn't even make sense. If I up my game now am i scum? If i won't i'm a scummy lurker? WIFOM Now let's get to all the lurker posts, i won't quote them all, just read the filter it's most of his posts. It's the easiest thing in the world to point to lurker. Be it the no-post lurker or the few-post lurker which, according to sn0, are actually worse then the no-post lurker. Everyone can do it. I can just look into the thread every hour, post something about the guy with the lowest post count, tell everyone he only has X posts. After that i start pointing out the other lurkers, because hey don't forget about them. And then theres always the thing about recent games where at some point of the game one of the scum players lurked. If you really want me to do that, it wouldn't be a problem, but i try to actually contribute something with my posts. Not bury my filter in useless posts about lurkers. Honestly glurio, I don't think your case really holds water, I appreciate the analysis though. You talk about how it's the easiest think in the world to point to a low or no-post lurker but you make a case about how only 5 of Sn0's posts are useful? Wouldn't that make him an active lurker? Then you accuse him of WIFOM, and frankly I'm ready to just ignore all WIFOM cases brought up because it really gets us nowhere. More likely in this case to be a factor of bad town than scum (see my case as example). It looks as though his WIFOM was on accident and was really just looking for a way to paint you as scummy. This is null. As for his lurker posts, maybe I'm biased because I agree with him somewhat, but I don't see how bringing up points about low post count lurkers is not contributing. If anything massive wall-of-text posts drawing attention away from important targets and baseless accusations are more likely to be distractions since they are more difficult to follow and require much more analysis. In short, I don't see anything overly scummy about Sn0's play so far, though I appreciate the effort. As this to me seems like a pretty weak case (didn't detect TOO much OMGUS but I guess it's a possibility?) I expect more from you, and preferably something a little more valuable. With your claims that posting about lurkers are useless, will you be lynching an active poster today? | ||
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Waiting to hear something besides game theory from you, Sylencia. Mandalor has at least made a commitment which sits well with me, though I'd still like to see more from him eventually. | ||
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On February 12 2013 11:01 warbaby wrote: You asked me a question, so I answered you. My stance on you is null, so of course I have the ability to change my stance later. That's not a back door, that's called making up my mind when I have sufficient evidence. The way you're analyzing my response is... bizarre. You need to chill out and think rationally, not come up with the most tenuous of associations and strained explanations for motivations when people do simple things like answer your questions directly. If you want my general opinion on geript, well it's only like 24h into the game. So far his contributions aren't stellar, but neither are anybody else's (including yourself). I'm certainly not going to claim he's scum based on the available evidence this early in the game (like you seem so eager to do, to anybody, which could be a bit scummy). I think voting Sylencia makes more sense right now than anybody else. Why? | ||
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On February 12 2013 11:05 warbaby wrote: Reasons I think sylencia is "scummy": his posts are minimal and blendy. But he has more than zero posts, so it could be possible to say we're lynching him as a lurker. There is still 50% of D1 left, so I want to see what more he posts. Sevryn and (less so) Mandalor are in the same category right now, IMO. All these accusations of active players being scum around aren't completely bad, but none of them are really making sense to me right now in D1. Problem with this is, warbaby, is you're really just echoing exactly what I and other members have been saying for hours already. You have contributed nothing new to the thread and upon viewing your filter, you jump on whatever bandwagon seems best to you at the time. Zarepath makes a case on me? FoS. (Then you go on to talk about 'false dichotomies' and I don't even know what you were talking about. You either think I'm suspicious or you don't.) LA comes up? Vote 9-bit. Except of course you contradict yourself right after: You're right, we shouldn't consolidate LAL votes until much closer to the deadline. But what is even the point of putting 1 vote on each lurker? It's not going to make them feel much pressure if there's (at that time) no chance of them actually being lynched. Anyway, you are right that we shouldn't consolidate now. I didn't think of that -- I'm trying to get work done today and I'm not paying 100% attention to the game right now (I work Mon-Fri 9-5 EST). I want to see a case from you; at the very least something more concrete then following everything everyone else has already laid the groundwork for. Be your own man! Note that I'm pressuring you because I want to see something positive come out of you; I'm inclined to agree with Mocsta's analysis of bad town. Stop focusing on defending yourself because you only make yourself look worse. | ||
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I'm pretty sure that this would come a long way in changing Mocsta's opinion of you, but the longer you go without addressing this, the harder it is for me to deny that maybe Mocsta is right. On other news, geript's last post was a thorough defense of himself from Mocsta's assault, yet he has said nothing more regarding his vote on me. The last things he pointed out regarding me were weak affirmations of everything zarepath already pointed out, and his only original point was His last post is more of the same. While I still don't like Mocsta so far, your case is better and his last post nails it in for me. Ummm what? So, you're seeing alarm bells and aren't interested in putting pressure on them. Instead you're more interested in deflecting towards anyone else? You have clearly no interest in trying to make a case whatsoever or in doing any analysis. ##change vote waveofshadow I've already made my choice to put pressure on the no-post lurker I have chosen. Would you rather I flip-flop voting in the span of an hour like you just because someone brought up a superior case and you can hide behind it? I have done plenty of analysis since then + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2013 08:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Honestly glurio, I don't think your case really holds water, I appreciate the analysis though. You talk about how it's the easiest think in the world to point to a low or no-post lurker but you make a case about how only 5 of Sn0's posts are useful? Wouldn't that make him an active lurker? Then you accuse him of WIFOM, and frankly I'm ready to just ignore all WIFOM cases brought up because it really gets us nowhere. More likely in this case to be a factor of bad town than scum (see my case as example). It looks as though his WIFOM was on accident and was really just looking for a way to paint you as scummy. This is null. As for his lurker posts, maybe I'm biased because I agree with him somewhat, but I don't see how bringing up points about low post count lurkers is not contributing. If anything massive wall-of-text posts drawing attention away from important targets and baseless accusations are more likely to be distractions since they are more difficult to follow and require much more analysis. In short, I don't see anything overly scummy about Sn0's play so far, though I appreciate the effort. As this to me seems like a pretty weak case (didn't detect TOO much OMGUS but I guess it's a possibility?) I expect more from you, and preferably something a little more valuable. With your claims that posting about lurkers are useless, will you be lynching an active poster today? + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2013 11:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Problem with this is, warbaby, is you're really just echoing exactly what I and other members have been saying for hours already. You have contributed nothing new to the thread and upon viewing your filter, you jump on whatever bandwagon seems best to you at the time. Zarepath makes a case on me? FoS. (Then you go on to talk about 'false dichotomies' and I don't even know what you were talking about. You either think I'm suspicious or you don't.) LA comes up? Vote 9-bit. Except of course you contradict yourself right after: I want to see a case from you; at the very least something more concrete then following everything everyone else has already laid the groundwork for. Be your own man! Note that I'm pressuring you because I want to see something positive come out of you; I'm inclined to agree with Mocsta's analysis of bad town. Stop focusing on defending yourself because you only make yourself look worse. so I'm interested to see if you still find me inherently scummy and why. | ||
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On February 12 2013 13:03 Sylencia wrote: You can't seriously say that considering the posts I made were targetting you. You don't have an objective view when it comes to things regarding you and your attitude towards anyone who accuses you of anything is the worst. I'm not going to argue against the quantity of posts or my lack of discussion so far but your attitude is pissing me off. Wait....what? Did I miss something? Uh...welcome back Sylencia but wtf did that come from? When did he ever say you were targeting him?? Boy oh boy here I thought you posting might remove your aura of scumminess... | ||
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On February 12 2013 15:02 geript wrote: Considering your and Cora's attitudes, I don't think either of you believe that at all. Well looky who's back ladies and gentlemen! Care to address this? On February 12 2013 12:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Warbaby you still haven't addressed my concerns from last page. I'm pretty sure that this would come a long way in changing Mocsta's opinion of you, but the longer you go without addressing this, the harder it is for me to deny that maybe Mocsta is right. On other news, geript's last post was a thorough defense of himself from Mocsta's assault, yet he has said nothing more regarding his vote on me. The last things he pointed out regarding me were weak affirmations of everything zarepath already pointed out, and his only original point was I've already made my choice to put pressure on the no-post lurker I have chosen. Would you rather I flip-flop voting in the span of an hour like you just because someone brought up a superior case and you can hide behind it? I have done plenty of analysis since then + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2013 08:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Honestly glurio, I don't think your case really holds water, I appreciate the analysis though. You talk about how it's the easiest think in the world to point to a low or no-post lurker but you make a case about how only 5 of Sn0's posts are useful? Wouldn't that make him an active lurker? Then you accuse him of WIFOM, and frankly I'm ready to just ignore all WIFOM cases brought up because it really gets us nowhere. More likely in this case to be a factor of bad town than scum (see my case as example). It looks as though his WIFOM was on accident and was really just looking for a way to paint you as scummy. This is null. As for his lurker posts, maybe I'm biased because I agree with him somewhat, but I don't see how bringing up points about low post count lurkers is not contributing. If anything massive wall-of-text posts drawing attention away from important targets and baseless accusations are more likely to be distractions since they are more difficult to follow and require much more analysis. In short, I don't see anything overly scummy about Sn0's play so far, though I appreciate the effort. As this to me seems like a pretty weak case (didn't detect TOO much OMGUS but I guess it's a possibility?) I expect more from you, and preferably something a little more valuable. With your claims that posting about lurkers are useless, will you be lynching an active poster today? + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2013 11:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Problem with this is, warbaby, is you're really just echoing exactly what I and other members have been saying for hours already. You have contributed nothing new to the thread and upon viewing your filter, you jump on whatever bandwagon seems best to you at the time. Zarepath makes a case on me? FoS. (Then you go on to talk about 'false dichotomies' and I don't even know what you were talking about. You either think I'm suspicious or you don't.) LA comes up? Vote 9-bit. Except of course you contradict yourself right after: I want to see a case from you; at the very least something more concrete then following everything everyone else has already laid the groundwork for. Be your own man! Note that I'm pressuring you because I want to see something positive come out of you; I'm inclined to agree with Mocsta's analysis of bad town. Stop focusing on defending yourself because you only make yourself look worse. so I'm interested to see if you still find me inherently scummy and why. I believe there are other outstanding opinions against you currently and I'm also interested to see how you respond to those, if you are indeed returning and not lurking. MAYBE FINALLY SOMEONE WILL RESPOND TO MEEEE Also for the record, Sn0, don't make sound so desperate, 'cause I'm pretty sure my post history proves otherwise. | ||
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On February 12 2013 15:24 Mocsta wrote: Sarcasm not intended. If you have 2 guys who have 1 post to their name. Are you planning to RNG to determine who gets your vote? My vote's already on someone, no need to. The question remains as to whether I change it at some point tomorrow. I know some people are all gung-ho about lynching scumreads day 1 but I don't see anything strong enough in anyone to risk lynching an active townie. I was also thinking this earlier on in the day and I figure now's a good time as any to bring it up. Zarepath provided excellent analysis right from the get-go on me and then shortly after he disappeared. I know he's not being counted towards lurkers right now, and in all likelihood he will come back, but something strikes me as scummy about providing analysis on easy pickings for the town to jump all over and then disappear as the bandwagon forms and discussion takes things elsewhere. I don't doubt his analysis was good, in fact as I have stated he picked a lot of mistakes in my play I will learn from, but (at least earlier on today) I was a safe vote considering how scummy I looked. He could accuse me and then leave it up to me to prove my innocence or the rest of the town to pick me apart. Just some food for thought; I will leave no stone unturned despite my vote currently being where it is. | ||
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Regarding your points about geript and WB; I came to similar conclusions earlier on in the day. + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2013 12:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Warbaby you still haven't addressed my concerns from last page. I'm pretty sure that this would come a long way in changing Mocsta's opinion of you, but the longer you go without addressing this, the harder it is for me to deny that maybe Mocsta is right. On other news, geript's last post was a thorough defense of himself from Mocsta's assault, yet he has said nothing more regarding his vote on me. The last things he pointed out regarding me were weak affirmations of everything zarepath already pointed out, and his only original point was I've already made my choice to put pressure on the no-post lurker I have chosen. Would you rather I flip-flop voting in the span of an hour like you just because someone brought up a superior case and you can hide behind it? I have done plenty of analysis since then + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2013 08:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Honestly glurio, I don't think your case really holds water, I appreciate the analysis though. You talk about how it's the easiest think in the world to point to a low or no-post lurker but you make a case about how only 5 of Sn0's posts are useful? Wouldn't that make him an active lurker? Then you accuse him of WIFOM, and frankly I'm ready to just ignore all WIFOM cases brought up because it really gets us nowhere. More likely in this case to be a factor of bad town than scum (see my case as example). It looks as though his WIFOM was on accident and was really just looking for a way to paint you as scummy. This is null. As for his lurker posts, maybe I'm biased because I agree with him somewhat, but I don't see how bringing up points about low post count lurkers is not contributing. If anything massive wall-of-text posts drawing attention away from important targets and baseless accusations are more likely to be distractions since they are more difficult to follow and require much more analysis. In short, I don't see anything overly scummy about Sn0's play so far, though I appreciate the effort. As this to me seems like a pretty weak case (didn't detect TOO much OMGUS but I guess it's a possibility?) I expect more from you, and preferably something a little more valuable. With your claims that posting about lurkers are useless, will you be lynching an active poster today? + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2013 11:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Problem with this is, warbaby, is you're really just echoing exactly what I and other members have been saying for hours already. You have contributed nothing new to the thread and upon viewing your filter, you jump on whatever bandwagon seems best to you at the time. Zarepath makes a case on me? FoS. (Then you go on to talk about 'false dichotomies' and I don't even know what you were talking about. You either think I'm suspicious or you don't.) LA comes up? Vote 9-bit. Except of course you contradict yourself right after: I want to see a case from you; at the very least something more concrete then following everything everyone else has already laid the groundwork for. Be your own man! Note that I'm pressuring you because I want to see something positive come out of you; I'm inclined to agree with Mocsta's analysis of bad town. Stop focusing on defending yourself because you only make yourself look worse. so I'm interested to see if you still find me inherently scummy and why. WB sort of addressed my issues, but geript has not, instead resorting to threatening to be replaced and growing weary under Mocsta's attacks of him and claiming he doesn't want to defend himself anymore. He mentioned he was going to re-read into it but never did, and now that you've changed your vote I'm wondering if he thinks it's too late to change for fear of it looking scummy or....? Also I don't even know what to say about glurio anymore. So unbelievably scummy. I think Mocsta had it earlier when he mentioned this: So yes, if LAL is enforced I think u just became my recommendation. I think in a few hours the issues are going to come down to which townies want to vote lurker and which townies want to vote active? Not trying to sound mayor-y here (WE WOULDN'T WANT THAT NOW WOULD WE) but I feel like as a town we should be organized and come to a consensus on this, because there are plenty of lynch choices from either camp imo to gain D1 info. | ||
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On February 13 2013 00:57 zarepath wrote: glurio, who are your top scum reads right now? This, pretty much. Assuming your weak case was a ploy, then great, but we still have no real scumhunting from you. People need to stop worrying about how townie I and/or others look and focus on hunting scum, especially since we haven't decided if we're active lynching or not. Glurio, the problem I see with you is even if you start posting now and move out of the 'lurker' category, you essentially just move from a lynchable lurker target to a lynchable active scum target. You'd better provide something concrete besides a 'slight town read' on me. | ||
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On February 13 2013 03:00 geript wrote: Zare, IIRC (on phone) Mocsta contrasted Warbaby and WoS. My point is a simple one: if I can be put on blast for 'setting up' sheep able cases for which I can put the blame on other people then I at least get credit for interest in having cases be made and heading towards the scum hunt. Can you honestly see anything in his filter that shows interest in more than having votes moved off of him and not making actual contributions to the scum hunt? I really don't want to waste time defending myself again so I'll keep it short. On February 12 2013 05:52 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't really expect my name to be cleared by my defense; I essentially deserve the accusations against me due to shitposting. All I can hope for is for people to stop looking in the wrong direction as scumreads become stronger and I prove myself. Fair. Now I've been looking at Sylencia's filter and he was one of the only people who came up with the best reason to turn down an RNG lynch (it mathematically favours scum) and performs and interesting analysis on warbaby's blue/maybe-not-blue claim but has contributed absolutely nothing else, short of a weak noncomittal accusation of warbaby. I was interested by his analysis though, and I'd like to see some more from him. My very first post after my admittedly shitty defense (which apparently worked, despite people pointing out otherwise, since people got off my back, except for you, of course). I accept my mistakes and only wish to move on, starting with the first post regarding Sylencia almost a full 24 hours ago. How is this not moving the scum hunt along, exactly? Since then I make a couple cases regarding glurio and warbaby and you choose to dump on one of them, fine. If you're so worried about contribution, however, where is yours? You only re-evaluate my case at my behest and have accomplished nothing else all day other than claiming WB is town. How is THIS moving the scumhunt along, exactly? The only person I directly talked to regarding the vote on me was you. I never pleaded or asked either you or Zare to change your votes; he did it on his own. You're welcome to keep your vote on me for the day but it will be wasted. I was fairly confident before Zare made his triumphant return that I would not be lynched D1 and now I am even more confident. | ||
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On February 13 2013 04:01 Mandalor wrote: If you didn't feel like my vote is a "safe vote" and attacked me for it, I would've never said that its purpose is to pressure lurkers. If you have a problem with the vote itself, fine. But when you ask me about or attack me because of it, I'm gonna have to give an honest response. Pressure voting is totally fine and a decent power, but here it is you who defeated its purpose. ##unvote Why cave so quickly when under such weak pressure? To me this looks like you found a quick out to change your vote to a 'better' target later on in the day. | ||
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On February 13 2013 04:18 Mandalor wrote: That vote was very early in the game. I thought it might trigger a post out of an anxious player. It's odd how people felt that was an okay thing to do at the time and 24 hours later I'm getting tons of flak for this. Where were you guys yesterday? Like Sn0 said, there were more important things to focus on such as getting info out of people. In any case, as the deadline is fast approaching and everyone's vote is split completely evenly (those who have voted, anyway), votes really aren't gaining us a whole lot of information yet. They can be sort of nice to see who bandwagons as in Zare's case against me but even that didn't go as far as he (or I, for that matter) expected it to. Eventually people are going to have to commit, and then the fun begins. | ||
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On February 13 2013 04:23 Mandalor wrote: waitwaitwait I'm getting attacked for a pressure vote that's not pressuring and when I remove it (it's not working as intended obv) it's a quick out? Please take a step back and think about whether keeping the vote or removing it would be the smarter thing to do. To be fair, Sn0 already addressed that at the top of the page. I was only seeing how you'd react, honestly. Now as far as keeping the vote or removing it would be the smarter thing to do, are you referring to your 0-post lynch or mine? Because I know what I'm doing. Did you? | ||
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On February 13 2013 04:32 Sn0_Man wrote: ??? Do you think that maybe you should, you know, unvote now? Given that I helped clarify for you that your vote was dumb. My vote on Macheji stands. LAL and whatnot. | ||
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Sevryn has been tunneling Glurio REAL hard all game. The only post not directed at Glurio since yesterday was one talking about how he wants to see more from lurkers like Mandalor when they have contributed far more than he has. His filter is one page long and the first few posts are all game theory crap. Not linking here because you can check the filter yourself; real easy read. Now I don't like glurio this game either so I'm going to speculate a little. I don't believe they are both scum. If they were both scum and Sevryn implicates glurio, then he is in danger of being lynched D1 due to lurker/scummy reads on him so far. I can't see him doing this and leaving it up to chance at the end of the day like he says. I don't believe this is a bus attempt either because it's a newbie game, and bussing is real big talk most of the time. I don't believe they are both good town either because each has posted 'just enough' to attempt to stay under radar while contributing absolutely nothing of value. Essentially I believe either Sevryn or glurio are scum right now, with another scum being one of the 0-post lurkers, Sylencia or geript as I had stated earlier. | ||
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On February 13 2013 07:28 cDgCorazon wrote: However, if you were veteran, you would act as such because you would be wanting to bait the scum attacking you and saving everyone from the N1 kill. Is that your plan? It's the only blue role where I could see you trying to look townie ridiculously hard. I'm back for the evening. I was actually just going to ask at what point speculation about blue roles usually begins. Is this a post N1-D2 thing so we can see what went down on N1? In all honesty it's kind of nice there hasn't been much blue speculation so far to cloud up everyone's judgments like in NMM 36 D1. Also since you're here, Cora what do you think of my scumreads, specifically in regards to the glurio/Sevryn scum dichotomy? | ||
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On February 13 2013 07:29 warbaby wrote: I explained why I won't role claim, but why I'm happy to alignment claim. Scum does not know my role yet. If I'm VT, then scum can skip lynching me tonight, which gives them a higher chance of hitting a blue. Claiming blue now would be insane because it would guarantee my lynch tonight. How do you not understand this? Honestly it almost seems like you're scum, and trying to trick me into claiming my role instead of just my alignment. Because I assume you do understand the difference between a role and an alignment. BTW, this may be my favourite post to date from WB, except for the soft scum claim on Cora. Reeks of OMGUS. | ||
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On February 13 2013 07:36 warbaby wrote: What? Scum does not know who is VT and who is blue yet. If I claim VT or blue, scum will gain information. As town (which scum already knows), I will not do anything to give scum information unless it helps town. Anyone claiming their role on D1 is not helping town. It's that simple. And that's not necessarily true, WB. Vet can force a N1 shot on him to protect town as was previously stated. Watcher or tracker could very easily do the same thing as they aren't really hard protect roles and baiting a N1 kill could gain winning information for the town if done properly. As this is a newbie game I don't really expect much of the former, but it is possible for an early blue claim to help town; you just have to be able to play around it. | ||
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On February 13 2013 08:19 Sn0_Man wrote: There are others who post less who have also contributed no actual scumhunting The "why don't we both stop posting for a bit" post seems quite reasonable to me. The thread was being clouded with a ton of irrelevant yammer. The fact that warbaby has echoed others is lamentable but not unique. Sometimes you agree with a case that is presented. The fact that he wishes to vote for Sylencia is also not unreasonable. In fact, it could be construed as scumhunting. It isn't like Sylencia is a WORSE target than many other lurkers. None of what I say makes any claim to "prove" WB as town, but it gives reasonable doubt to his scumminess (IMO). As such, I still request that we lynch somebody with extremely low post-count and contributions. I feel like you are tunnelling really hard for no reason cora. I'm still willing to look at a WB lynch for sure, BUT NOT TODAY. Echoes my sentiments on this exactly. I'm liking how you and I are on the same page about other things, Sn0, including scum candidates. Can we get another 'Count Vote?' We've got barely over an hour and a half and there are so many people who have not voted still...before the final hour begins I'd really like to hope we have an idea as to who is getting lynched. | ||
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On February 13 2013 08:36 Sn0_Man wrote: Either way, if you want to lynch "blendy active" then lynch WoS imo. Buuuuut I really would rather lynch lurkers. They have equal or greater chance of being scum anyway. Wat. I gave a full account of my scumreads lately, was the first (and still only person) to draw upon any suspicion to Zarepath, and have drawn attention to myself all game post-accusations against me. I took a stance early on in the game that some have agreed with and others haven't though I have stuck with it all throughout. How exactly am I 'blendy?' Just because I agree with your recent posts? (the Sevryn vote post you made draws so much on conclusion I already drew earlier I can't even call it yours) | ||
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Glurio and Sylencia you have an hour left. Care to defend yourselves at all or make some sort of a case? I have no hope for Sevryn at this point. | ||
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On February 13 2013 08:36 Sylencia wrote: Now I'm seeing two reasons why I'm being voted here: - The fact I'm quiet is apparently like the way I played when I was scum (wrong when you compare it to my other games, I was a bit more active during that game but still rather quiet in comparison to the number of players ) - The fact I'm quiet is uncharacteristic (also wrong, look at NMM32/33) The points are kind of contradictory though... This does not constitute a case. Useless WIFOM and he still hasn't posted a case on anyone at all except for his early blue speculation on WB. Sylencia time is running out for you too..... | ||
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On February 13 2013 08:50 cDgCorazon wrote: Please explain to me why being aggressive is scummy. If we're going to keep thinking that all "loud voices" are town, at least one scum is going to slip by for a long time. Take a look at my scum play from NMM XXXIII. Why do you think I got away with being scum for so long? Because I was active and looking pro-town. If we take out a scum with a "loud voice" now, our chances of winning go way up. Speaking of loud voices, you were SO adamant for so long on WB lynch now that's it's close to lynch time you unvote? What is your rationale? | ||
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On February 13 2013 09:05 Sn0_Man wrote: Wow that count vote looks sad  Time to re-read mandalor's filter to see if I can vote him in good conscience I can't, and something seems off to me about Zare's analysis. I need to re-read. | ||
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On February 13 2013 09:02 zarepath wrote: I'm short on time and, unfortunately, as thorough an analysis as I'd hoped. I will be voting for one of the following: Sevryn, glurio, warbaby, Mandalor, Sylencia I checked Sevryn's filter and I don't see him as scummy -- he really stuck to his guns with glurio and went out of his way to flush a lurker (Mandalor). The scummiest thing, IMO, was his reaction to my fake case, but he did bring some new insight to it, at least. Less than a page of filter isn't scummy? Here's his one-post 'flush' of Mandalor. Really accomplished a whole lot considering trying to flush lurkers is all Mocsta and I have been doing. On February 12 2013 13:10 Sevryn wrote: Also I would like to see some more posts from the inactive people specifically Mandalor who made one anti lurker post and also made a pretty bandwagony FOS on WoS while he has made a few posts they dont really say much or bring anything new to the table which is a great way for scum to appear helpful. And this is his half-post 'insight' into the case on me: @ zare Thats a very interesting case you made. I think you over looked the fourth post a little bit in that the way it was worded is basically setting up WoS to defend any lurker he doesn't want lynched and any lurker he does want lynched with a line of qualitative additions which could be interpreted any which way. Um, hell yeah I'm going to cotton-pick my lurker lynch target. What's the point of voting otherwise? I dunno, real weak case to me. Glurio is the only person who has cared much about Sn0, and he's gone back to it a couple times. the scummiest thing about glurio is the fact that he has presented two contradictory reasons as to why he made the case (at least how I read him): 1, because he was told to (people telling him to make cases) even though he knew it wasn't the best case, and 2, he knew it was a bad case but wanted to catch scum agreeing with it. This makes sense and is in line with what I've said in the past, but it's a REAL easy case to make....Zare's MO? Pick on the easy cases? THAT sounds weird (although that's exactly what I did). He also pressured Mandalor, and tried to call attention off of Warbaby in what seemed like a pro-town way. glurio is null-scum to me. But see here's the thing. That's NOT exactly what you did, Zare. Your case was not a bad case on me at all, it was just easy to make and you happened to be the first one to pick it out. And then you left the town to its workings. Trying to compare yourself to glurio who has no capability it seems of making any real case at all is very suspect. Warbaby I didn't have time to read his whole filter. His leap onto my case was pretty suspect, and while he has been super defensive about his alignment, he hasn't scum hunted at ALL, at least that I can tell. But I haven't time right now to do a real check and will go with Sn0 on this one and give him another day.Mandalor has not done anything particularly town-oriented that I can see and I have to go now ##Vote Mandalor That's it? There's a lot of people who haven't done anything real town-oriented, you just have to take a little time and look at basically every lurker in the game right now. FoS: Zarepath | ||
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On February 13 2013 09:12 geript wrote: @Sn0 was talking about Cora. Filtering now. And yes, WoS I saw your post but am finally home. It's ok Geript you appear to have dodged the bullet today. Big martyr. | ||
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On February 13 2013 09:21 Sylencia wrote: I've only checked a few filters unfortunately (bad play by me) but from those I've checked I'm going to still stick with my suspicion on Warbaby. I've tunneled on him a little bit too much though... - Firstly, I didn't read what happened in NMM36 - so I don't know what happened there though you guys seem to have pretty much filled me in on it anyways. - I did my analysis on him, and it feels like he's been aggressively trying to get me killed following it. There are other reasons he has given (lurker) but as Corazon has mentioned, there are a bunch of lurkers in this game and it is like I'm the target because I'm the one in that bunch who has targetted him. - Rather than vote for a player he considers to be scummy, he decides to simply follow a LAL policy - so either he's not willing to vote for the people he finds suspicious or he's not scum hunting but policy killing, and not scum hunting is exactly what he is accusing me of too. Suspicion is not enough with 30 minutes to go. Wishy-washy up until the end is not going to earn you any friends with your neck on the line. | ||
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On February 13 2013 09:48 Sn0_Man wrote: Ummmmmm. LETS HEAR IT 12 minutes to lynch is enough time for me. If I could PM you, I would. It just doesn't make sense right now. | ||
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On February 13 2013 09:55 Sn0_Man wrote: Your vote looks ultra-scummy right now btw It would probably look scummier if I posted what I was going to. You're welcome to FoS me on D2 for voting 0-post but I assure you it's the right call here. | ||
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On February 13 2013 09:55 cDgCorazon wrote: If it's about someone who is not getting lynched today, I'm glad you decided to hold it to yourself. It would be a scum tell if you posted a case about someone who isn't on the chopping block at this point. You mean my case on Zare? lol. I'd still like to see what people think of it after the lynch goes down; there might be more to add to it N1 as well. | ||
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On February 13 2013 09:58 cDgCorazon wrote: Yeah I figured it was against Zare, but I didn't want to say anything until you had posted the case. I already posted a case on Zare lol. Check my filter. The recent thing has nothing to do with Zare but after this I might be able to link it. | ||
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I'll post it now, up to you guys whether you want to believe me or not. + Show Spoiler + Thank you Mocsta and Sn0 for not making me explain this action myself: [b]##Unvote: Macheji ##Vote: Sevryn On February 13 2013 08:27 Mocsta wrote: Mr Sno_Man; i said this at the start of the game (I think).. and I think now is an opportune time to say it again. Policy Lynch is never meant to occur (even town lying can be acceptable at times - e.g. "Are you JK".. Why of course not.. (lie) Lynch all Lurkers is a concept designed to promote discussion and force activity. It is never meant to be followed through with. Think about the consequence. On February 13 2013 04:57 Sn0_Man wrote: Why are you voting for a 1/4 chance when you could vote for a 1/2 chance (glurio/sevyrn)? Plus, I'm of the opinion that it should be fairly easy to lynch one of glurio/sevyrn if you make a realistic case. I can't honestly tell which of the two is scummier. If I'm wrong, risk taken and you can all decide what it means after the fact. | ||
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On February 13 2013 10:05 Mocsta wrote: So your two reads are sevryn and macheji? K...Did you want to lead the pressure on them? Lol Macheji wasn't a read at all. You should realize that yourself based on what you posted. My reads were that one of glurio or Sevryn are scum and now that we've flipped one..... Basically looking back at my earlier analysis of Zare I can't decide if I should drop the FoS on him or not because he may just have been doing the same thing as me; that is, pussing out with a vote he knew wouldn't gain traction. I was debating pulling that last second change but adding a 3rd vote to Sevryn would've cause a lot of havoc and I wasn't sure enough of either of the two to risk that 50/50 chance and having myself implicated as someone who lynched a townie. You guys can implicate me for being a pussy if you want. | ||
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On February 13 2013 10:07 cDgCorazon wrote: Hey guess what, we didn't "lynch a loud voce" and he flipped town... Uh...glurio was plenty loud right at the end with his ass on the line. | ||
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On February 13 2013 10:24 Acrofales wrote: ObviousOne is replacing Macheji. Well you're lucky then ObviousOne, if it were up to me you'd already be dead. | ||
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On February 13 2013 10:30 Sn0_Man wrote: This entire vote was so retarded. WoS: The fact that you literally threw away your vote with no regard for who got lynched makes me want to call you scum. UNFORTUNATELY, like 6 other people did the same thing (no I didn't count how many). And the fact that I put up a post of the vote change after the fact is scummy, the vote change itself last second would've been scummy, and flip-flopping posts all day as soon as people pointed out to me that 0-post lynch is dumb would've been scummy. Got news for me? | ||
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On February 13 2013 10:39 Mocsta wrote: Sn0 I am finding warbaby trying to fit in with town just not working for me. I am more than happy for him to pursue this lead and pressure me (and the others). I think it will lead to his undoing, and then hopefully you guys will see what I see. I think debating on who scum voted for and why is just too much WIFOM, save it for after a flip is my opinion. But you know what, sometimes it's necessary. We just flipped, let's talk about it Mocsta, and those who lynched our poor Glurio. I honestly wish I were better at this game because I can't pick out scumroles/scumteam. I could very easily see you and geript going at it and picking up opposite roles along with a lurker....ugh. After my second midterm tomorrow and N1 I'll have more time to put into this and I'll try to come up with something. | ||
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On February 13 2013 11:09 Mocsta wrote: Im heading off. maybe back in a couple hours WoS Votes dont apply N1 lol Im happy to discuss Sevryn further; what makes him scum to you? No need for a case, just outline some dot points you think are scum tells. Lol yeah I wasn't sure of that, but I made it fairly obvious that that's who I'm gunning for anyway. I'm about 95% certain Sevryn is scum. On February 13 2013 04:52 WaveofShadow wrote: I feel like doing a full case on Sevryn right now but I have a midterm soon so I don't have the time to follow up. Will be back a few hours pre-vote. Sevryn has been tunneling Glurio REAL hard all game. The only post not directed at Glurio since yesterday was one talking about how he wants to see more from lurkers like Mandalor when they have contributed far more than he has. His filter is one page long and the first few posts are all game theory crap. Not linking here because you can check the filter yourself; real easy read. Now I don't like glurio this game either so I'm going to speculate a little. I don't believe they are both scum. If they were both scum and Sevryn implicates glurio, then he is in danger of being lynched D1 due to lurker/scummy reads on him so far. I can't see him doing this and leaving it up to chance at the end of the day like he says. I don't believe this is a bus attempt either because it's a newbie game, and bussing is real big talk most of the time. I don't believe they are both good town either because each has posted 'just enough' to attempt to stay under radar while contributing absolutely nothing of value. Essentially I believe either Sevryn or glurio are scum right now, with another scum being one of the 0-post lurkers, Sylencia or geript as I had stated earlier. From my earlier case. I'll admit I had a scumread on glurio but it wasn't enough to vote for him because I was scared to, as stated before. I wanted to change my vote to Sevryn but I was scared of being wrong because they had a 50/50 shot in my mind. Nothing has changed on my Sevryn read from D1 except now, he has helped lynch a townie---noticeably later in the day too when he began tunneling glurio with an incredibly weak case. (His 'FoS' was just copy-pasting glurio and saying 'you look scummy') This tunneling also only began well after the precedent was already set down by Sn0 and I. Essentially the only thing I'm worried about right now is if somehow 9-bit and...OO both rolled scum and we learned nothing from them D1...which makes up the 5% I'm not sure of. (Probability that both 0-posts are scum = 4.5%) | ||
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On February 14 2013 04:43 ObviousOne wrote: Town is fearless. Share your reads when you have them. Your win-con is TOWN win, not YOU survive. Anything you say can and (will) probably be used against you and it's towns job to see who erroneously uses it against you. Just look at the Warbaby fiasco. Somewhere in that mess is going to be at least one decent scum read. A valid point. My problem is neither my reads on glurio or Sevryn at the time were particularly strong and probably easily picked apart by someone better at the game than me. I know I've been super inactive N1, but it's gonna have to stay that way probably until the N1 action happens as I still have a lot to do today. I will be back in full force on D2. | ||
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I think I have to really look into a lot of filters before I come back, and come back with something strong. | ||
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I'll try to do better next time! | ||
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On February 20 2013 02:57 Dandel Ion wrote: Vig on top of this would have ended the game even faster, I reckon. I agree. No one knew shit. | ||
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I want to play my 3 already so I can play in a game where more than half the players actually participate. | ||
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On February 20 2013 05:27 Mocsta wrote: Gg guys. Can understand the pain. Hurts when u think one of your own has been actively hindering your thought processes all game. :; But yes the SK slip was bad in the con text that I knew he wasn't scum...but it was genuinely based on TS being solely focused on SK/vig Just remember I actively lead town to each lynch.. It was by no means an easy win, I don't think if sno/zare delurked over the weekend I would have been high for suspicion and I still had war baby I could push. You guys had it a lot easier than you could have though. So much lurk. Also I was convinced Sev was scum and was going to tunnel the shit out of him until I could get enough to prove it 100%, but then SK took care of me for you guys. In any case I think I have some of how the game (and maybe player meta) works now so I'm going to try signing up for any game that'll take me. I'm HOOKED, gentlemen. Edit: Also, just remembered something. What was the deal with the Sylencia RB? | ||
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On February 20 2013 05:39 Mocsta wrote: Disagree completely. Sevryn and at stages mandalor were on the block MASSIVELY at many stages especially due to lurking. Town was all over them. Sylencia didn't fall my accident. Town voted him based on defends... But the only reason he had to make a defends was primarily due to my pressure SK was hunting scum n1 and could a taken out anyone. Agree on before he basically became a vig. Just remember its easy to sit in at and say u have insurmountable evidence. That doesn't mean u can campaign a vote. I did not play a perfect game by any means. And yes. The overall lurking worked in my favour. But u guys gotta be honest with yourselves with this one. On day3 u had 2 out of 3 scum on the block and in my opinion there were many reasons to call sylencia town. I didn't force everyone to vote sylencia.... I wasn't around on D2, never mind D3. I saw the voting AND conversation being swayed away from Sevryn constantly. Can't say the same about Mandalor but whatever. In any case, all of this is hindsight, Mocsta, so don't look too much into it. Either way I will say this much: you played extremely well and I do not look forward to having to play against you at any point in the future. | ||
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On February 20 2013 05:48 Mocsta wrote: P.s. sevryn was due to be lynched day1 Until I setup glurio. U were there WoS. The major thing in this game is (mainly for war baby) is Priorities are: Establish innocence 2. Scum hunt 3. Be pro town Many of my contributions were 3. Aligned and its really easy to fake.. I don't believe I made a case the whole game. (Other than writing sevryns lol)great pick up their Sn0 Glurio set himself up; his play was scummy as hell, but yes, you're right, my biggest mistake was pussing out Day 1 and not changing my vote to Sevryn earlier. | ||
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On February 20 2013 05:59 Mocsta wrote: Heheh Well newbies games are for sweingnwhat works what doesn't Hopefully this explains why policy lurker lynch sucks Its just a medium for enabling discussion but shouldn't replace scum hunting I disagree. If we had stayed on track with it (and consolidated our votes instead of being idiots) we had something like a 1/3 chances of picking scum. It just sucked because half of the game lurked D1, and then different people lurked throughout the rest. I see nothing wrong with a policy lurker lynch; this game just goes to further prove that scum will ALWAYS have lurkers. | ||
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On February 20 2013 08:55 Sn0_Man wrote: Meh. I don't really care what you think, if the obs QT has their leading scum candidate at MYLO as our only remaining blue role and for most of the game (although not at the very end) I'm the only person on every town list around then I'm content with my play. I know I'm not the best at discerning who is scum, but If I can prove myself town early and have stuff to work with I feel like my contribution to town is acceptable. Could I have played better Day 3? duh... but it wouldn't change anything barring super scumhunting techniques that I simply don't possess. Wherein you had a knowable setup and wildly better roles in general as town. Plus town clearly played well and nailed scum non-stop, including getting the RB N2. Contrasted with a newbie setup which was not deducible, which had substantially weaker roles, and which had 2 replacements after night 1. In which you have such quality plays as voting for a clearly unlynchable 0-vote lurker as town because you don't want to look scummy. I will cede the point that you did, in fact, win a town game with 9-3-1 though. Please, Sn0, tell me how you really feel. Newbie games exist for a reason, bro. | ||
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On February 21 2013 12:02 warbaby wrote: You did not establish your innocence, you established your dominance over the only other active town (Corazon). There's a big difference between appearing innocent (which you did not, at one point 66% of the active towns were after you as scum) and dominating the game because you have 1 actual opponent (after TS died). e: well, more like zero opponents, since I had given up on trying to hunt you after TS died, which I already admitted was the biggest mistake I think I made in this game. I didn't have a town read on you, I just didn't think there was any point in pursuing you when Cora and your lurker buddy would just burn me down for trying to do so (again, my fault for just giving up). Wait how were Mocsta and Cora the only active townies? Man, I really wish I didn't get killed N1. Everybody forgot about me and I didn't contribute anything but shit play. | ||
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On February 21 2013 14:26 warbaby wrote: I was talking about active players the context of N2 and D3. I really wish Mocsta had not been smart enough to shoot you N1. It wasn't Mocsta, it was OO, damn him. In any case, look forward to playing with you guys in the next one! | ||
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On February 22 2013 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Hey warbaby! I don't give a fuck if you don't think Mocsta's nomination is warranted! It's MY subjective opinion (which may or may not even be valid due to his playing more games or whatever) and if you don't like it DON'T FUCKING VOTE FOR HIM IN EIGHT OR WHATEVER MONTHS! What are you trying to accomplish coming in here and saying "You're not as impressive as you seem to think" exactly anyway? What's the POINT? Get the fuck over it, you lost. I tried to be fucking nice. I loled just a little. It appears buttons have been pressed, | ||
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On February 22 2013 03:26 Sn0_Man wrote: Town has collectively bitched incessantly about everything in the game without any person reasonably taking blame upon themselves except zare (who seriously deserves a lot less than most other players). I'm not sure that that indicates much learning, which is kinda the goal of Newbie games no? (Okay hilarity is another goal). Lol dude, I apologized for my shit play during the game, but whatever floats your boat, man. I have no doubt that this game is town's fault, and as I was a part of it, my fault too. I just wish I had longer in the game itself to start correcting my play. Done posting in here; time to move on. | ||
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