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Sn0_Man
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I'm happy to give him another day, but that defense hardly clears his name. @Warbaby care to clarify what part of Glurio's post is particularly townie compared to last game? I fully expect that, were he to roll scum again, he would up his game at least a bit with respect to looking more townie as scum. So one kinda OK post isn't gonna clear his name. | ||
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@Cora My point on English is because a person's diction is very important to how I perceive them. I was hoping mocsta could rectify the larger issues in his. My point on tiebreakers stands, I want to be certain how they function. Ideally, neither of these points would need to be raised but at the same time I don't feel that they were unnecessarily clouding the thread. Admittedly the English one dragged on for a while but that is Mocsta's fault. Zare: I forgot you were in that game with syl as well as mocsta. You mentioned why he won the last one, but you haven't really contrasted that to his current playstyle (of flying under the radar again). | ||
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That basically means everybody on Cora's lurker list. GET POSTING BOYS. + Show Spoiler + Or girls. Or gender-neutral beings. | ||
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@glurio: 2 games ago you were Vigi'd night 1. Then last game you lurked it up good but were at least decently active in the scum QT from what I could tell. You played a full game though and I hope have a better grasp of what kinds of contribution town members are expected to present. All I'm saying is that so far you are lacking in those aspects and that if you can't differentiate your town play from your scum play you are not being very helpful, much like the other lurkers. RL kicking in isn't the point. 2 (now 3) posts in 21 hours is the point. | ||
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On February 12 2013 07:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Also what are people's stances on lurker lynching re: 'semi-active' lurking v complete lurking? Those that fall into the first category being glurio and Sylencia (though I'm debating adding Sevryn to that list. Sevryn shares my stances on lurkers it seems though hasn't committed to anything or laid any cases down.) The second category being 9-bit and Macheji. As of now I'm still sticking with lynch of second category being more useful but those in the first had better contribute more than they have. On February 12 2013 07:21 Sn0_Man wrote: people who demonstrate presence and ability to post and fail to demonstrate willingness to contribute are worth less to town than possible useful replacements. | ||
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@mandalor you can feel free to invalidate this post. Even a "nuh-uh" post would at least indicate that you are around  | ||
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My point is, having played scum he KNOWS what his scum play is and if he can't differentiate between his play now from his scum play then, well then that is going to look scummy. Furthermore, having had a "warmup" round as scum, I expect his second round of scum to be at least slightly more convincing. As such, in my mind there is a higher bar than just "some difference" between his previous game and this one. If the best he can do is one mildly less scummy post than last game, that doesn't really make me think of him as town. At least him posting a nice big piece on me gives us something to work with. Given that he has contributed more than others now, I'll look to them for the time being. | ||
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On February 12 2013 11:01 warbaby wrote: You asked me a question, so I answered you. My stance on you is null, so of course I have the ability to change my stance later. That's not a back door, that's called making up my mind when I have sufficient evidence. The way you're analyzing my response is... bizarre. You need to chill out and think rationally, not come up with the most tenuous of associations and strained explanations for motivations when people do simple things like answer your questions directly. If you want my general opinion on geript, well it's only like 24h into the game. So far his contributions aren't stellar, but neither are anybody else's (including yourself). I'm certainly not going to claim he's scum based on the available evidence this early in the game (like you seem so eager to do, to anybody, which could be a bit scummy). I think voting Sylencia makes more sense right now than anybody else. Lets be fair. Your post was super wishy-washy and non-committal. Mocsta is always trying to get a rise, its how he plays. | ||
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On February 12 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote: OK. I will just say this: I think that is a silly reason; ppl present these arguments all the time, and its very rare they do just drop out. Look at Acid in NMM XXXV; had 0 posts, people present the modkill argument, and then he came in with a bang. If your going to push lurkers; push them all please; otherwise I want genuine reasons why you are giving preferential treatment. Yeah, but acid came in with a bang and was very helpful to town (ending up championing your lynch which ended up winning the game I think). And cakepie who replaced in last time was very helpful as well. My point is (and I've made it many times), There are people worth LESS to town than a random as-yet unknown replacement may be. | ||
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On February 12 2013 13:43 Sevryn wrote: Guys, warbaby is getting discussed to death and my comments to Glurio are getting buried. Can we please discuss something new, these are my points on his case to Sno_Man. - why did he show all of snos post hes just trying to look like hes trying hard to scumhunt, but is the same as if we just read his filter. -his question about the bolded part of one of snos posts " Why wouldn't scum tell the town what exactly they should be looking for and just avoid exactly these things?" is just useless rhetoric and he obviously isnt trying to achieve anything with it -hes also defending himself when no case or anything was made against him so hes preemptively getting ready to be accused by pretending to have gotten attacked. lastly while he made a big case that doesnt say much he still has barely any posts so hes doing exactly what he claimed not be doing which is actively lurk. Glurio is scum ##vote: Glurio Big words. That being said, I mostly agree for now. Especially on the "Warbaby has been discussed to death" part. FWIW his "plz don't lynch me" dance is identical now to last game, where he was town, but I'm not sure if that really matters. Still got 20 hours to lynch, so I'd appreciate it if everybody kept their minds open. And I STILL think we should lynch a very-low content poster over a weak scumread. And while your confirmation biases may be strengthening by the second, I certainly still classify most of the cases as weak scumreads (or null). Thankfully, the number of people who have said essentially nothing is dwindling. | ||
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On February 12 2013 13:55 cDgCorazon wrote: I wasn't going to bring it up until tomorrow, but his suggest to kill Syl was so dumb I couldn't resist. So you have a town read on Syl? Or you think that Syl is a big contributor? (admittedly in the last ~half hour he has picked up but for most of the time WB was forming opinions on him...) | ||
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Cora: "Warbaby you are so indecisive and won't stand on anything. no strong reads. That makes you scummy" Warbaby: "Fine. I think Sylencia is especially scummy. He is playing like he did last game he was scum" Cora: "OMG WB so retarded there are lots of other lurkers too. Picking one makes you scummy" ... I mean, it isn't like your points are wrong, but you are hammering him pretty unnecessarily. Browbeating people doesn't make them play better, and honestly how can you say that Warbaby is legit scum? Yeah he started off really poorly ("I was MVP last game bow to me. I WAS MVP OMG GUYS NOW I"M PLAYING MY META") but still, he has figured out that that was the wrong approach and has (in my eyes) cleared up some of the other issues with his play. I can see him as a townie who just can't find anything substantial to hang a case on. Its a realistic possibility. YES HE COULD BE SCUM TOO but it isn't like he has proved it anywhere that I've seen. | ||
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I legitimately am OK with day-1 mislynches. They generate lots of information and are a tool town can use to cull the useless members. Addition by subtraction and all that. Sure, I'd *love* to hit scum day 1 but sometimes I feel like removing active voices from the game just makes it easier for scum to glide like last game where Slay/Glurio posted essentially nothing and got away freely while cases were thrown at everybody who dared open their mouth and actually post a semi-intelligent thought. The fact that our blue roles bailed us out last game doesn't mean that the town atmosphere wasn't very scum-favoured for quite a while. I'm not sure the risk of trying to hit scum by lynching contributors is worth it if the downside is basically silencing town if we are wrong. Establishing the expectation that posting content on a decently regular basis is required to avoid getting lynched goes a long way towards making scum slip. I mean, you played scum, you know how attractive it must be to just glide if town is actively trying to silence all the loud voices... | ||
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On February 12 2013 14:41 Mocsta wrote: lastly. Sno. Can i pls have thoughts on geript and the chainsaw defense. You came up with a hilarious association based OMGUS accusation because everybody who questions you is clearly scum in your eyes? Okay thats a bit harsh. You've shown real difference (IMO) in your play this game compared to 35. Still, the fact that your defense against geript is "you are attacking me to clear warbaby" is a thinner defense than WoS's "I'm so sorry plz don't lynch me" Defense. That said, his case isn't exactly damning... I still don't see it as a "chainsaw defence of a scumbuddy". I mean seriously, thats a very heavy association to make day-1. All he is saying is that you like to shit up the thread, which is true (improvement is noted). If you think Warbaby and geript are scumteam, and you are highly suspicious of WoS as well, I can almost guarantee you are wrong somewhere. There is always a lurker scum. | ||
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On February 12 2013 15:23 Mocsta wrote: You know what, *this* post made me realise where geript commentary came from, specifically claim town vs think town. Not sure what this quote is about but w/e. I still get the same vibe from warbaby this game as last game. It isn't a good vibe but he turned out town last game... I'm happy for you to pressure geript and WB, and I'd sooner lynch geript than WB unless that hasn't been clear. I still feel like too many people get off without really doing much contributing (even if they are town, pressuring town is fine by me). | ||
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On February 12 2013 15:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Honestly the thought of zarepath as scum terrifies me because nobody has mentioned him at all today. I REALLY hope he is town. I thought the same thing about Spag in my first game. Turns out he WAS scum, and we lynched his ass then won the game (not really in that order). There is always hope. Day 1 always looks bleak tho in my experience. FWIW zare looked like his regular townie self to me (based on 2 games as townmates). RL commitments don't make you a lurker/scummy. I expect him to post a bit more pre-lynch. | ||
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Well, looks like I have some real searching to do in the next 10 hours. I'm still of the opinion that somebody should be able to construct a fairly legitimate case against a low-post-count player. It may end up being me if I have time. | ||
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I'd like a more in-depth review from you on either mandalor or sylencia that include examples from their filter. PROVE that Mandalor is trying to move discussion forward while Sylencia is trying to hide in the shadows. | ||
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