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On February 08 2013 01:57 JieXian wrote:
Tell me what's wrong with my case on oats.
It's hardly random shit flinging when you have to refute it by saying "yeah man sometimes oats is obv scum"
I have nothing on snarf or Djo.
The problem is that you have a case on Oats but a vote on Palmar right when other people express interest in him.
You scum, bro.
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On February 08 2013 01:56 yamato77 wrote:
If you think JX might be mafia at all, you should not want to lynch Palmar with him. JX should die before we even think about killing Palmar on day 1. Yes, he's a good lynch. No, he's not better than JX.
I know thats my confusion.
Your meant to lynch the highest chance to flip.
Palmar is more based on educated assumption
JX is definitely scum now that he has increased his activity.
It reminds me of exactly before I nailed him in Normal Mini 4.
The question is: if we both knew palmar + JX would flip red; you would lynch palmar right?
If so, do you see enough points of doubt in the commentary I gave "against" Palmar?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395690¤tpage=29#576
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On February 08 2013 01:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:JX idk what you want me to justify so much. My townie meta read on Oats? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389in that newbie I was doc, he was scum. Lynched his face into the ground D1 for his behavior, flipping reads, etc. He is more docile this game with actually some logical thought process behind his posts. Not the best lynch for today by far.
On February 08 2013 01:49 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 08 2013 01:38 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
Care to justify it to me please? It's a personal meta read. I don't agree with others when they use them, and I don't expect you to agree with me on the fact. It's a gut feeling, and my gut tends to be correct with reads like this. His interaction with Mocsta left me feeling Oats townier than Mocsta in general. Oats is at least null leaning townzorz for me. Oats is definitely town. As scum he is aggressive but backs down and changes tune when shit hits the fan. Hes not doing that this game.Having re-read that part of the game we were feuding, I can now see i took the interactions more personal than him, but even with my "low blows" he didnt back down. In my matrix I have two confirmed town. me and him.
I have 2 conflicting reasons for why Oats is town.
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On February 08 2013 02:00 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:JX idk what you want me to justify so much. My townie meta read on Oats? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389in that newbie I was doc, he was scum. Lynched his face into the ground D1 for his behavior, flipping reads, etc. He is more docile this game with actually some logical thought process behind his posts. Not the best lynch for today by far. Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:49 Mocsta wrote:On February 08 2013 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 08 2013 01:38 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
Care to justify it to me please? It's a personal meta read. I don't agree with others when they use them, and I don't expect you to agree with me on the fact. It's a gut feeling, and my gut tends to be correct with reads like this. His interaction with Mocsta left me feeling Oats townier than Mocsta in general. Oats is at least null leaning townzorz for me. Oats is definitely town. As scum he is aggressive but backs down and changes tune when shit hits the fan. Hes not doing that this game.Having re-read that part of the game we were feuding, I can now see i took the interactions more personal than him, but even with my "low blows" he didnt back down. In my matrix I have two confirmed town. me and him. I have 2 conflicting reasons for why Oats is town.
How? I said as scum he is aggressive and then said "hes not doing that this game"
CC said "hes more docile = less aggressive"
Fail. Try again please.
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On February 08 2013 01:56 yamato77 wrote:
If you think JX might be mafia at all, you should not want to lynch Palmar with him. JX should die before we even think about killing Palmar on day 1. Yes, he's a good lynch. No, he's not better than JX.
Of course I think that JX could be mafia, but I also know that he could be a fucking lynch-bait. I've played against him when he was town in WitchCraft and he did almost everything to get mislynched.
On the other hand, Palmar has done nothing, and I don't like the fact that he wants to lynch prplhz when prplhz play is clearly different from what we saw in LIX.
I want to lynch mafia and I'm feeling more confident in lynching Palmar today. I disagree with the fact that we should give some room to the vets and not lynching them day 1. We should lynch them like anyone else and force them to hold to their standards.
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On February 08 2013 01:59 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:57 JieXian wrote:
Tell me what's wrong with my case on oats.
It's hardly random shit flinging when you have to refute it by saying "yeah man sometimes oats is obv scum"
I have nothing on snarf or Djo. The problem is that you have a case on Oats but a vote on Palmar right when other people express interest in him. You scum, bro.
Yea I believed MRCC for a moment but I'm slowly losing confidence in him which is why I'm prepared to change my vote if I lose my BOTD and I have enough people agreeeing with me
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The case on Palmar was very logical, he's me 2nd choice.
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What I expect from town VE
On March 18 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 07:41 johnnywup wrote:
I don't buy it from VE, no reason to reveal faction at this stage in the game when no one is even accusing you. You may be trying to get our subconscious trust from the very beginning.
But I don't know. You could be lying but you could be telling the truth. It's too early to say which is more likely. But I've got an eye on you. Step one is establishing my innocence. You don't buy it, maybe some will. This is but a step along the path. Walk with me my son.
He wants people to know he's town! He wants to establish innocence! This would make even more sense in a game where HE CAN'T BE KILLED AT NIGHT.
On March 18 2012 07:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I can assure you no cop is going to need to check me by the end of the day johnnywup.
I can see skepticism in your weary eyes. Perhaps jaded by the scum's repeated attempts at manipulation? Deceit taking it's toll on your very soul?
Those days are over.
Again, he wants people to know he's town! He wants to be the big man on campus when he's town.
On March 18 2012 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:27 xsksc wrote:On March 18 2012 08:26 johnnywup wrote:
how nice of you to post, xsksc. anything else to say? Yeah. Why do you think Jackal is town, already? I'm interested in the answer to this as well. I have my own reasons, and I've strategically omitted them for an occasion such as this! What fun!
He plays around with people to try and actually figure out if they're scum! He prods and gets people to react emotionally. I see very little of that this game.
What I expect from scum VE
On April 22 2012 21:53 VisceraEyes wrote:It was mostly me disagreeing with Forumite's case. Zentor seems like a lurky-scum kinda player, and doubt as scum he'd enter the game voting for himself. That's kinda an advanced scum move and (no offense Zentor) not one I see MrZentor making. I could have just said "I don't agree with a MrZentor vote" but the way I said it gets more people to trust me faster...or so I thought.  No, it was just my entry into the game after drinking at my sister's bday party guys, nothing to see here. However, let's try that again with less alcohol in my bloodstream :D @Forumite So it is your opinion that MrZentor, as scum, voted for himself only to "get responses from people" and then, as scum, singled out prplhz? In the name of....what? Furthering his scum agenda? I don't know, I see it more as a townZentor move myself. That's why I disagree.
Wishy-washy. "oooo I don't know... i see it more as townZentor... boohoo"
On April 24 2012 02:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think Forumite is town - but I think his MrZentor wagon is weak as shit, because I think Zentor is town too. :S
"oooo I THINK they're both town but I could be wrong..."
On April 24 2012 04:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, I know marvellosity is capable of more - I didn't look at his early play, admittedly my expectation of him is based on his later game activity which I have read.
Sbrubbles OMGUS of me is strange, considering the reason he's saying I'm suspicious is all the "good discussion town has had over suspicious behavior" and my penchant to "vote a lurker like him" in spite of it "usually being good town play". Like...it doesn't register.
I'm good with my vote on him. If we're consolidating, I prefer it's on this guy. Someone needs to tell me why their candidate is better than mine.
"Screw it, I'm too tired to find scum. Let's just vote this guy who thinks I'm scum."
THINGS YOU SHOULD BE NOTICING:
1) When he's town he doesn't give a f***.
2) When he's town he MAKES DAMN SURE HE LOOKS TOWN
3) When he's town his reads actually make sense, when he's scum I can't tell why he's doing what he's doing.
I can't tell his motives right now. I don't know why he's voting for prplhz. Because Palmar is? But Palmar is his number 1 scum read? It doesn't make sense!
Scum scum scum.
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If you're referring to that 4-point post thing, it wasn't really justified. You basically said exactly what he's done this game and said that he wasn't do anything..
.On February 08 2013 02:00 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:JX idk what you want me to justify so much. My townie meta read on Oats? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389in that newbie I was doc, he was scum. Lynched his face into the ground D1 for his behavior, flipping reads, etc. He is more docile this game with actually some logical thought process behind his posts. Not the best lynch for today by far. Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:49 Mocsta wrote:On February 08 2013 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 08 2013 01:38 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
Care to justify it to me please? It's a personal meta read. I don't agree with others when they use them, and I don't expect you to agree with me on the fact. It's a gut feeling, and my gut tends to be correct with reads like this. His interaction with Mocsta left me feeling Oats townier than Mocsta in general. Oats is at least null leaning townzorz for me. Oats is definitely town. As scum he is aggressive but backs down and changes tune when shit hits the fan. Hes not doing that this game.Having re-read that part of the game we were feuding, I can now see i took the interactions more personal than him, but even with my "low blows" he didnt back down. In my matrix I have two confirmed town. me and him. I have 2 conflicting reasons for why Oats is town.
No, you don't? Oats is being tame this game I said. Mocsta just said he's aggressive as scum. IE not aggressive as town (or at least more level-headed, logical).
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On February 08 2013 02:01 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:00 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 01:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:JX idk what you want me to justify so much. My townie meta read on Oats? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389in that newbie I was doc, he was scum. Lynched his face into the ground D1 for his behavior, flipping reads, etc. He is more docile this game with actually some logical thought process behind his posts. Not the best lynch for today by far. On February 08 2013 01:49 Mocsta wrote:On February 08 2013 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 08 2013 01:38 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
Care to justify it to me please? It's a personal meta read. I don't agree with others when they use them, and I don't expect you to agree with me on the fact. It's a gut feeling, and my gut tends to be correct with reads like this. His interaction with Mocsta left me feeling Oats townier than Mocsta in general. Oats is at least null leaning townzorz for me. Oats is definitely town. As scum he is aggressive but backs down and changes tune when shit hits the fan. Hes not doing that this game.Having re-read that part of the game we were feuding, I can now see i took the interactions more personal than him, but even with my "low blows" he didnt back down. In my matrix I have two confirmed town. me and him. I have 2 conflicting reasons for why Oats is town. How? I said as scum he is aggressive and then said "hes not doing that this game" CC said "hes more docile = less aggressive" Fail. Try again please.
CC said he's docile
You're saying he didn't back down = not docile
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On February 08 2013 02:04 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:01 Mocsta wrote:On February 08 2013 02:00 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 01:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:JX idk what you want me to justify so much. My townie meta read on Oats? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389in that newbie I was doc, he was scum. Lynched his face into the ground D1 for his behavior, flipping reads, etc. He is more docile this game with actually some logical thought process behind his posts. Not the best lynch for today by far. On February 08 2013 01:49 Mocsta wrote:On February 08 2013 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 08 2013 01:38 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
Care to justify it to me please? It's a personal meta read. I don't agree with others when they use them, and I don't expect you to agree with me on the fact. It's a gut feeling, and my gut tends to be correct with reads like this. His interaction with Mocsta left me feeling Oats townier than Mocsta in general. Oats is at least null leaning townzorz for me. Oats is definitely town. As scum he is aggressive but backs down and changes tune when shit hits the fan. Hes not doing that this game.Having re-read that part of the game we were feuding, I can now see i took the interactions more personal than him, but even with my "low blows" he didnt back down. In my matrix I have two confirmed town. me and him. I have 2 conflicting reasons for why Oats is town. How? I said as scum he is aggressive and then said "hes not doing that this game" CC said "hes more docile = less aggressive" Fail. Try again please. CC said he's docile You're saying he didn't back down = not docile ??
This is pretty spammy and pointless, stop it. We both have reasons for thinking Oats is town. Not backing down doesn't imply aggressiveness imo, just conviction. One can be tame with conviction.
Alright, it's a matter of opinion either way via meta. What you think of snarfs JX?
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@ Snarfs
VE is not going to get lynched today. Please stop your tunnel and start to give your opinion on the possible lynch candidates for today. I'd like to hear from you about Palmar, JieXian and prplhz.
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On February 08 2013 02:04 Snarfs wrote:
THINGS YOU SHOULD BE NOTICING:
1) When he's town he doesn't give a f***.
2) When he's town he MAKES DAMN SURE HE LOOKS TOWN
3) When he's town his reads actually make sense, when he's scum I can't tell why he's doing what he's doing.
I can't tell his motives right now. I don't know why he's voting for prplhz. Because Palmar is? But Palmar is his number 1 scum read? It doesn't make sense!
Scum scum scum.
*Facepalm*
Sorry I didnt realise in vet world, finishing with "scum scum scum" was a killing blow to get votes.
Look will read this in detail, but so far, I didnt see any quotes from this game.
Seems like you did a pure meta read; right now, pretty disappointed I had to wait for this.
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On February 08 2013 01:59 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:57 JieXian wrote:
Tell me what's wrong with my case on oats.
It's hardly random shit flinging when you have to refute it by saying "yeah man sometimes oats is obv scum"
I have nothing on snarf or Djo. The problem is that you have a case on Oats but a vote on Palmar right when other people express interest in him. You scum, bro.
Besides the whole point of playing town is to find mafia, which includes trying to convince people but also listen.
No point being stubborn and getting the wrong guy if there are good arguments why someone is a better target.
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On February 08 2013 02:08 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:04 Snarfs wrote:
THINGS YOU SHOULD BE NOTICING:
1) When he's town he doesn't give a f***.
2) When he's town he MAKES DAMN SURE HE LOOKS TOWN
3) When he's town his reads actually make sense, when he's scum I can't tell why he's doing what he's doing.
I can't tell his motives right now. I don't know why he's voting for prplhz. Because Palmar is? But Palmar is his number 1 scum read? It doesn't make sense!
Scum scum scum. *Facepalm* Sorry I didnt realise in vet world, finishing with "scum scum scum" was a killing blow to get votes. Look will read this in detail, but so far, I didnt see any quotes from this game. Seems like you did a pure meta read; right now, pretty disappointed I had to wait for this.
^This.
I see no reason to change my vote off of you.
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UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT
Palmar (3) - Djo, Mocsta, JX
JX (2) - phagga, Yamato77
Snarfs (2) - Mr.CC, Oatsmaster
prplhz (2) - Palmar, VE
Djodref (1) - JayBrundage
VE (1) - Snarfs
No Vote (2) -sl0osh, prplhz
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On February 08 2013 02:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:04 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 02:01 Mocsta wrote:On February 08 2013 02:00 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 01:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:JX idk what you want me to justify so much. My townie meta read on Oats? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389in that newbie I was doc, he was scum. Lynched his face into the ground D1 for his behavior, flipping reads, etc. He is more docile this game with actually some logical thought process behind his posts. Not the best lynch for today by far. On February 08 2013 01:49 Mocsta wrote:On February 08 2013 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 08 2013 01:38 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
Care to justify it to me please? It's a personal meta read. I don't agree with others when they use them, and I don't expect you to agree with me on the fact. It's a gut feeling, and my gut tends to be correct with reads like this. His interaction with Mocsta left me feeling Oats townier than Mocsta in general. Oats is at least null leaning townzorz for me. Oats is definitely town. As scum he is aggressive but backs down and changes tune when shit hits the fan. Hes not doing that this game.Having re-read that part of the game we were feuding, I can now see i took the interactions more personal than him, but even with my "low blows" he didnt back down. In my matrix I have two confirmed town. me and him. I have 2 conflicting reasons for why Oats is town. How? I said as scum he is aggressive and then said "hes not doing that this game" CC said "hes more docile = less aggressive" Fail. Try again please. CC said he's docile You're saying he didn't back down = not docile ?? This is pretty spammy and pointless, stop it. We both have reasons for thinking Oats is town. Not backing down doesn't imply aggressiveness imo, just conviction. One can be tame with conviction. Alright, it's a matter of opinion either way via meta. What you think of snarfs JX?
I can't rationalise with the word "tame conviction" but I read the game you've linked me and I do see a difference. And I get why you 2 had conflicting reasons, because Oats was basically being Vivax in that game while he was all "I'm shy" in LIX, where Mocsta was.
In other words, you 2 need to realise that Oats isn't a 1 dimensional guy who plays the same way.
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On February 08 2013 02:14 JieXian wrote:
In other words, you 2 need to realise that Oats isn't a 1 dimensional guy who plays the same way.
Why are you still talking about this JX.
Your vote is on Palmar; why discuss Oats.
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Because the responses I've got were very interesting
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[QUOTE]On February 08 2013 02:14 JieXian wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 08 2013 02:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 08 2013 02:04 JieXian wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 08 2013 02:01 Mocsta wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 08 2013 02:00 JieXian wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 08 2013 01:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX idk what you want me to justify so much. My townie meta read on Oats?
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389[/url]
in that newbie I was doc, he was scum. Lynched his face into the ground D1 for his behavior, flipping reads, etc. He is more docile this game with actually some logical thought process behind his posts. Not the best lynch for today by far. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On February 08 2013 01:49 Mocsta wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 08 2013 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 08 2013 01:38 JieXian wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
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It's a personal meta read. I don't agree with others when they use them, and I don't expect you to agree with me on the fact. It's a gut feeling, and my gut tends to be correct with reads like this. His interaction with Mocsta left me feeling Oats townier than Mocsta in general. Oats is at least null leaning townzorz for me. [/QUOTE]
Oats is definitely town. As scum he is aggressive but backs down and changes tune when shit hits the fan. Hes not doing that this game.Having re-read that part of the game we were feuding, I can now see i took the interactions more personal than him, but even with my "low blows" he didnt back down.
In my matrix I have two confirmed town. me and him. [/QUOTE]
I have 2 conflicting reasons for why Oats is town.[/QUOTE]
How? I said as scum he is aggressive and then said "hes not doing that this game"
CC said "hes more docile = less aggressive"
Fail. Try again please.[/QUOTE]
CC said he's docile
You're saying he didn't back down = not docile
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This is pretty spammy and pointless, stop it. We both have reasons for thinking Oats is town. Not backing down doesn't imply aggressiveness imo, just conviction. One can be tame with conviction.
Alright, it's a matter of opinion either way via meta. What you think of snarfs JX?
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I can't rationalise with the word "tame conviction" but I read the game you've linked me and I do see a difference. And I get why you 2 had conflicting reasons, because Oats was basically being Vivax in that game while he was all "I'm shy" in LIX, where Mocsta was.
In other words, you 2 need to realise that Oats isn't a 1 dimensional guy who plays the same way.[/QUOTE]
Okay. You also need to realize that it's a gut feeling and he's not like confirmed townie status or something. It's just an initial D1 read and not the end all decision. This discussion is fairly pointless and needs to end right now.
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