EPTOkay. You also need to realize that it's a gut feeling and he's not like confirmed townie status or something. It's just an initial D1 read and not the end all decision. This discussion is fairly pointless and needs to end right now.
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
Okay. You also need to realize that it's a gut feeling and he's not like confirmed townie status or something. It's just an initial D1 read and not the end all decision. This discussion is fairly pointless and needs to end right now. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
The meta read you 2 have on oats hold no value. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
##Vote: JieXian You ask why? Cause he sheeped onto Palmer. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Why am I scum? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On February 08 2013 02:19 Oatsmaster wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: JieXian You ask why? Cause he sheeped onto Palmer. What else was he supposed to do, realistically? Anyone in that position would vote for Snarfs or Palmar. Oats this is actually a bad vote. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On February 08 2013 02:08 Djodref wrote: @ Snarfs VE is not going to get lynched today. Please stop your tunnel and start to give your opinion on the possible lynch candidates for today. I'd like to hear from you about Palmar, JieXian and prplhz. Are you even reading the thread? I've already posted about Palmar and prplhz. And there's still plenty of time to lynch VE. People just need to read his filter and compare it with the two games I just referenced. It's pretty friggen obvious. @slOosh, prplhz: I want you both to comment seriously on VE's play this game in regards to his meta. And I'd rather lynch you than JX. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
I think we HAVE to consolidate. From what I can see the choices are Palmar / JX / Snarfs I am concerned about Palmar, BUT I think we need to go for the guaranteed flip. For me thats JX. His filter speaks for itself; I think he is the safest choice. (and his latest posts about oats are just ridiculous) Mr. CC i know you want Snarfs on the table; but do you really think he is a higher chance to flip than JX? ##Unvote ##Vote: JieXian | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On February 08 2013 02:19 Oatsmaster wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: JieXian You ask why? Cause he sheeped onto Palmer. I have no way to refute that Palmar argument. I'm sure neither can you. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On February 08 2013 02:08 Mocsta wrote: *Facepalm* Sorry I didnt realise in vet world, finishing with "scum scum scum" was a killing blow to get votes. Look will read this in detail, but so far, I didnt see any quotes from this game. Seems like you did a pure meta read; right now, pretty disappointed I had to wait for this. I'm trying to illustrate here how VE finds scum. If you read his filter this game, you'll notice this is not what he's doing. If you know how someone tries to find scum and you know that that's not what they're doing this game, then it's a combination of meta and gamesense, or whatever you want to call it. This is not VE trying to find scum. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On February 08 2013 02:23 Mocsta wrote: Guys, after doing that votecount, we have no idea what the USA shift is going to lean towards as they become active in the next couple hours. There is no firm candidate for lynch. I think we HAVE to consolidate. From what I can see the choices are Palmar / JX / Snarfs I am concerned about Palmar, BUT I think we need to go for the guaranteed flip. For me thats JX. His filter speaks for itself; I think he is the safest choice. (and his latest posts about oats are just ridiculous) Mr. CC i know you want Snarfs on the table; but do you really think he is a higher chance to flip than JX? ##Unvote ##Vote: JieXian Tell me how is oats contributing more | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On January 03 2013 09:01 marvellosity wrote: because if you think that killing wbg-town is a "win" situation, then you must be scum. So you must be trolling. So stop it. Anyway, I could explain a little more why Palmar could be scum. Palmar and I both play scum or town in a certain kind of way. When we're town we're usually active and trying to figure things out, and it's obvious we're interested. Or maybe Palmar looks totally uninterested, and that's usually when he's town as well. It's when Palmar (and me) *pretend* to be interested that we're more likely to be scum. There's no need to pretend as town and generally neither of us do. Everything Palmar posted so far took him absolutely no effort and he just made a bunch of posts in the thread to look like he's here and he cares and shit, although actually there's no evidence that this is the case. All of you are going "omg Palmar posting a lot, probably town", but if it's taken him a combined total of 5 minutes to make all his posts then this doesn't actually ring true. It's just a way of establishing some credit early because everyone thinks Palmar is just uninterested as scum. Anyway, Palmar could yet have just been coming into the thread having some "fun" or whatever, so we'll see what effort he wants to put into the game tomorrow. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On February 08 2013 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote: No CC, the bandwagon was shifting in Palmar's favour at that point and of course he wants to jump on and lynch arguably the strongest town player here How do you even know he's town? Everybody, regardless of role, just wants to not get lynched. He hops on the most popular bandwagon in order to not get lynched. Lynching a town Palmar is just a bi-product if he's scum. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On February 08 2013 02:04 Snarfs wrote: THINGS YOU SHOULD BE NOTICING: 1) When he's town he doesn't give a f***. 2) When he's town he MAKES DAMN SURE HE LOOKS TOWN 3) When he's town his reads actually make sense, when he's scum I can't tell why he's doing what he's doing. I can't tell his motives right now. I don't know why he's voting for prplhz. Because Palmar is? But Palmar is his number 1 scum read? It doesn't make sense! Scum scum scum. Snarfs; I read your case in detail. Im going to be blunt here. Before I read your case: My matrix: Snarfs:null, VE: probably town. After I read your case: No change. May I add, using your criteria for town VE, makes me think he is town even more. Whats agitating with your case is that the meta is from March 2012. The game changes, and so do people. (Yes subconscious behaviour probably doesnt.. but that isnt int he crux of your commentary) You're pointing out post structure meta etc and its out of date by one year. I was hoping you were going to post a read from Normal Mini mafia 4 (Meta Feb 2013, he was town) ===================== What are we left with? Either: You are scum, and trying to contribute without contributing OR You are tunneled town, that was so fixated on a concept you couldnt let go. Many in the thread will probably say you're scum; I want to give you a chance as i think something like this is far more likely from tunneled town. Can you please discuss the following: @Snarfs You said before you dont think Palmar should be lynched. However, Palmar has voted prplhz; who many have defended as town due to meta (including you) If you think prplhz is town; do you still support Palmar surviving this lynch? If so, I would like a detailed response on why. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On February 08 2013 02:19 Oatsmaster wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: JieXian You ask why? Cause he sheeped onto Palmer. Well, I don't want to lynch JieXian if he wants to lynch Palmar. Regarding your last post about Palmar, here is my take. Town Palmar lynches scum (like in Hero Mini Mafia) or trolls like there is no tomorrow (like in LVIII). Here I seriously doubt that prplhz is scum, so I doubt that Palmar is town. I would also like to remind you that you sheeped onto Palmar's wagon at some point in this game  | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On February 08 2013 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote: No CC, the bandwagon was shifting in Palmar's favour at that point and of course he wants to jump on and lynch arguably the strongest town player here dafuck so tell me? what would the townier play be? continue yelling at a wall while doing nothing or changing his vote when somebody clearly laid out an argument he cannot refute? Furthermore YOU of all people were the most convinced person that Palmar was scum. Now that I've voted for him you paste quote from another game meta-ing him? dafuck | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On February 08 2013 02:25 Snarfs wrote: If you know how someone tries to find scum and you know that that's not what they're doing this game, then it's a combination of meta and gamesense, or whatever you want to call it. This is not VE trying to find scum. If that was the original intent. you did not write it clearly (which is certainly not scum indicative at all) Your synopsis was: THINGS YOU SHOULD BE NOTICING: 1) When he's town he doesn't give a f***. 2) When he's town he MAKES DAMN SURE HE LOOKS TOWN 3) When he's town his reads actually make sense, when he's scum I can't tell why he's doing what he's doing That is more image related that scum hunting related. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On February 08 2013 02:34 phagga wrote: At everyone voting Palmar so far, go have a look at Death note Mafia (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625). Palmar was trolly/lurkish D1 and was misslynched D1 with the exact same arguments as this game. I know He could be scum, but I feel that lynch is much more volatile than JX, of who I feel sure he will flip scum. Seems like a shiton of meta reads going down this game, myself included in this one. I think we should start leaning towards analyzing in-game behavior more. Phagga, you still irk me as being paranoid as all hell and now you're lurking like a boss. Since you decided to pop in here to defend Palmar, what say you to a Snarfs lynch? Set on JX? | ||
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